Marie Osmonds son takes own life

[Andrew]

Jana, we were admittedly being satirical and shocking..

You think this is the right topic to display your talent for such?

Sure, why not? Unless members of the Osmond family read this forum, which in that case they have my apologies, but other than that, why not?

I'm referring to others that might read this that could be going thru this exact problem.

[Ehwmatt]

Jana, we were admittedly being satirical and shocking..

You think this is the right topic to display your talent for such?

Sure, why not? Unless members of the Osmond family read this forum, which in that case they have my apologies, but other than that, why not?

I'm referring to others that might read this that could be going thru this exact problem.

The Internet's a big place, you never know what you might read.

[Ehwmatt]

lol, every suicide is the result of clinical depression? What about Japanese samurai suicide? Were they clinically depressed? Hell, modern day Asian cultures embrace "honor suicide" as well... are all of those guys clinically depressed or a PRODUCT OF CULTURE?

Completely different angle and not relevant to the argment in question here. Fuck me.

Oh, really? This is what he was responding to.

They are one in the same. If someone is distraught to the point of killing themself, then they ARE clinical depressed. There is no such thing as being of sound mind & body & killing yourself ...

Thanks I didn't feel like digging through a cpl pages to find that

[Andrew]

Jana, we were admittedly being satirical and shocking..

You think this is the right topic to display your talent for such?

Sure, why not? Unless members of the Osmond family read this forum, which in that case they have my apologies, but other than that, why not?

I'm referring to others that might read this that could be going thru this exact problem.

The Internet's a big place, you never know what you might read.

Lame. I'm talking members here that come here and see this shit talked about by someone with no experience of dealing with it.

[Ehwmatt]

Jana, we were admittedly being satirical and shocking..

You think this is the right topic to display your talent for such?

Sure, why not? Unless members of the Osmond family read this forum, which in that case they have my apologies, but other than that, why not?

I'm referring to others that might read this that could be going thru this exact problem.

The Internet's a big place, you never know what you might read.

Lame. I'm talking members here that come here and see this shit talked about by someone with no experience of dealing with it.

Not lame. There is no right in any country that I know of that says there's a right not to be offended. We have our own view points and are free to exercise our judgment as to who to feel compassion for. If you don't like me expressing them here, then ban me. In the mean time, I choose not to feel bad for this guy or most other celebs unless I hear a very heartrending story of true organic mental problems not preceded by substance abuse, narcissism, or other destructive behaviors.

[Jana]

Jana, we were admittedly being satirical and shocking..

You think this is the right topic to display your talent for such?

Sure, why not? Unless members of the Osmond family read this forum, which in that case they have my apologies, but other than that, why not?

I'm referring to others that might read this that could be going thru this exact problem.

The Internet's a big place, you never know what you might read.

Lame. I'm talking members here that come here and see this shit talked about by someone with no experience of dealing with it.

Not lame. There is no right in any country that I know of that says there's a right not to be offended. We have our own view points and are free to exercise our judgment as to who to feel compassion for. If you don't like me expressing them here, then ban me. In the mean time, I choose not to feel bad for this guy or most other celebs unless I hear a very heartrending story of true organic mental problems not preceded by substance abuse, narcissism, or other destructive behaviors.

He wasn't a celeb. He was a 19-year-old kid that lived in Utah most of his life.

[Ehwmatt]

He wasn't a celeb. He was a 19-year-old kid that lived in Utah most of his life.

Ok, has-been child star then if you want to quibble over semantics

[Jana]

He wasn't a celeb. He was a 19-year-old kid that lived in Utah most of his life.

Ok, has-been child star then if you want to quibble over semantics

You're in the wrong thread. This was Marie Osmond's son that this thread was about, and you're talking instead about the Bones guy, a child actor, that was another thread.

[Ehwmatt]

He wasn't a celeb. He was a 19-year-old kid that lived in Utah most of his life.

Ok, has-been child star then if you want to quibble over semantics

You're in the wrong thread. This was Marie Osmond's son that this thread was about, and you're talking instead about the Bones guy, a child actor, that was another thread.

oh yea, I got mixed up. Oh well, I stand by everything earlier anyway.

[Jana]

He wasn't a celeb. He was a 19-year-old kid that lived in Utah most of his life.

Ok, has-been child star then if you want to quibble over semantics

You're in the wrong thread. This was Marie Osmond's son that this thread was about, and you're talking instead about the Bones guy, a child actor, that was another thread.

oh yea, I got mixed up. Oh well, I stand by everything earlier anyway.

Okay, then. I guess you stand by your initial response upon hearing a 19-year-old kid, who had struggled with long-term depression, threw himself off an eight-story building to his death:

"Because it's the cool thing to do.

Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society."

[Ehwmatt]

He wasn't a celeb. He was a 19-year-old kid that lived in Utah most of his life.

Ok, has-been child star then if you want to quibble over semantics

You're in the wrong thread. This was Marie Osmond's son that this thread was about, and you're talking instead about the Bones guy, a child actor, that was another thread.

oh yea, I got mixed up. Oh well, I stand by everything earlier anyway.

Okay, then. I guess you stand by your initial response upon hearing a 19-year-old kid, who had struggled with long-term depression, threw himself off an eight-story building to his death:

"Because it's the cool thing to do.

Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society."

Yes, because it fits my criteria: "Depression" brought on by someone who had a history of substance abuse. And please, don't try to tell me they drink AFTER they get depressed.

[JasonD]

lol, every suicide is the result of clinical depression? What about Japanese samurai suicide? Were they clinically depressed? Hell, modern day Asian cultures embrace "honor suicide" as well... are all of those guys clinically depressed or a PRODUCT OF CULTURE?

Completely different angle and not relevant to the argment in question here. Fuck me.

Oh, really? This is what he was responding to.

They are one in the same. If someone is distraught to the point of killing themself, then they ARE clinical depressed. There is no such thing as being of sound mind & body & killing yourself ...

Thanks I didn't feel like digging through a cpl pages to find that

Um.... don’t try & throw me under the bus b/c you guys dug yourselves a ditch you can’t get out of. First, that comment Saint John just quoted was not made by me until page 8 of this thread, & that was well after you both had already dug yourself a ditch. Second, I clarified myself immediately in my very next post stating that I was not referring to other cultures of which I admitted I have no knowledge of. I didn’t think I had to clarify that from the get-go b/c I didn’t think the two of you were going to consider every living, breathing entity on the entire planet when discussing the “ins” & “outs” of suicide & all of the variables it entails. That was my mistake for not assuming the entire world was your playground.

Now, as for your recent comment to Andrew, Matt, where you just wrote, “Don't blame me, I didn't make the claim in the first place. I was just taking them as they came at me.” That again is a weak attempt at saving face b/c you dug yourself a ditch you can’t get out of. Why do I say that, you ask? Because YOURS was the very second post on page one of this very topic &, yes, you had your hand on your holster & you were ready to put this topic under attack b/c it's a hot potato topic that you knew you could have a lot of "fun" with.

Fact Finder posted the initial statement regarding Marie Osmond’s son & he posted that message in a neutral manner without us, the reader, knowing one way or the other which side of the issue he personally aligned himself with. He wasn’t saying, “Poor Marie,” nor was he saying “What an idiot son she had.” Yet, exactly 2 minutes after Fact Finder made that initial post stating that Ms. Osmond's son had killed himself due to depression, you lashed back with, “Because it's the cool thing to do. Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society.” I hardly think Fact Finder’s original post was meant to “come at you,” as you had just stated above.

[Saint John]

He wasn't a celeb. He was a 19-year-old kid that lived in Utah most of his life.

Ok, has-been child star then if you want to quibble over semantics

You're in the wrong thread. This was Marie Osmond's son that this thread was about, and you're talking instead about the Bones guy, a child actor, that was another thread.

oh yea, I got mixed up. Oh well, I stand by everything earlier anyway.

Okay, then. I guess you stand by your initial response upon hearing a 19-year-old kid, who had struggled with long-term depression, threw himself off an eight-story building to his death:

"Because it's the cool thing to do.

Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society."

Considering he chose to consume massive amounts and alcohol and take drugs, most likely, yes. Probably just another example of someone that didn't have the fortitude to try and kick his habits so he took what he's been taught is the easy (and condoned) way out. I'm sure there are thousands of others that have gone through as much, or more, and decided "You know what ... that's fucking enough!" and fought and quit their vice. He quit on his family and chose to shit in their faces. I would bet anything that this was not clinical depression but, rather, an over-medicated, spoiled, rich kid that's never had to roll up his sleeves and overcome adversity. The note he left was nothing more than a one man pity party that is the equivalent of intentionally stabbing his mother in the fucking heart. Coward.

[Ehwmatt]

lol, every suicide is the result of clinical depression? What about Japanese samurai suicide? Were they clinically depressed? Hell, modern day Asian cultures embrace "honor suicide" as well... are all of those guys clinically depressed or a PRODUCT OF CULTURE?

Completely different angle and not relevant to the argment in question here. Fuck me.

Oh, really? This is what he was responding to.

They are one in the same. If someone is distraught to the point of killing themself, then they ARE clinical depressed. There is no such thing as being of sound mind & body & killing yourself ...

Thanks I didn't feel like digging through a cpl pages to find that

Um.... don’t try & throw me under the bus b/c you guys dug yourselves a ditch you can’t get out of. First, that comment Saint John just quoted was not made by me until page 8 of this thread, & that was well after you both had already dug yourself a ditch. Second, I clarified myself immediately in my very next post stating that I was not referring to other cultures of which I admitted I have no knowledge of. I didn’t think I had to clarify that from the get-go b/c I didn’t think the two of you were going to consider every living, breathing entity on the entire planet when discussing the “ins” & “outs” of suicide & all of the variables it entails. That was my mistake for not assuming the entire world was your playground.

Now, as for your recent comment to Andrew, Matt, where you just wrote, “Don't blame me, I didn't make the claim in the first place. I was just taking them as they came at me.” That again is a weak attempt at saving face b/c you dug yourself a ditch you can’t get out of. Why do I say that, you ask? Because YOURS was the very second post on page one of this very topic &, yes, you had your hand on your holster & you were ready to put this topic under attack b/c it's a hot potato topic that you knew you could have a lot of "fun" with.

Fact Finder posted the initial statement regarding Marie Osmond’s son & he posted that message in a neutral manner without us, the reader, knowing one way or the other which side of the issue he personally aligned himself with. He wasn’t saying, “Poor Marie,” nor was he saying “What an idiot son she had.” Yet, exactly 2 minutes after Fact Finder made that initial post stating that Ms. Osmond's son had killed himself due to depression, you lashed back with, “Because it's the cool thing to do. Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society.” I hardly think Fact Finder’s original post was meant to “come at you,” as you had just stated above.

Wow, you are the king of ridiculous jumps in logic. Andrew was telling me I was off topic and I was merely pointing out how I got on that topic. But your victim card playbook tells you that's "throwing you under the bus," lol. ok dude. You made a categorical, sweeping generalization and you got buttfucked by logic (but didn't like in in this instance).

I wasn't coming at FF or any one in my initial post, just stating my views.

As for digging myself a ditch I can't get out of... lol. What ditch? You think I care if people don't like my views? You really gotta shut your fuckin face

I am not retreating from my views one bit. I just explained them a bit more neutrally once I had my fun with the overly sensitive people on here.

[Angel]

There is so much ignorance going on in this thread, I think I actually lost a few IQ points for reading it.

[JasonD]

lol, every suicide is the result of clinical depression? What about Japanese samurai suicide? Were they clinically depressed? Hell, modern day Asian cultures embrace "honor suicide" as well... are all of those guys clinically depressed or a PRODUCT OF CULTURE?

Completely different angle and not relevant to the argment in question here. Fuck me.

Oh, really? This is what he was responding to.

They are one in the same. If someone is distraught to the point of killing themself, then they ARE clinical depressed. There is no such thing as being of sound mind & body & killing yourself ...

Thanks I didn't feel like digging through a cpl pages to find that

Um.... don’t try & throw me under the bus b/c you guys dug yourselves a ditch you can’t get out of. First, that comment Saint John just quoted was not made by me until page 8 of this thread, & that was well after you both had already dug yourself a ditch. Second, I clarified myself immediately in my very next post stating that I was not referring to other cultures of which I admitted I have no knowledge of. I didn’t think I had to clarify that from the get-go b/c I didn’t think the two of you were going to consider every living, breathing entity on the entire planet when discussing the “ins” & “outs” of suicide & all of the variables it entails. That was my mistake for not assuming the entire world was your playground.

Now, as for your recent comment to Andrew, Matt, where you just wrote, “Don't blame me, I didn't make the claim in the first place. I was just taking them as they came at me.” That again is a weak attempt at saving face b/c you dug yourself a ditch you can’t get out of. Why do I say that, you ask? Because YOURS was the very second post on page one of this very topic &, yes, you had your hand on your holster & you were ready to put this topic under attack b/c it's a hot potato topic that you knew you could have a lot of "fun" with.

Fact Finder posted the initial statement regarding Marie Osmond’s son & he posted that message in a neutral manner without us, the reader, knowing one way or the other which side of the issue he personally aligned himself with. He wasn’t saying, “Poor Marie,” nor was he saying “What an idiot son she had.” Yet, exactly 2 minutes after Fact Finder made that initial post stating that Ms. Osmond's son had killed himself due to depression, you lashed back with, “Because it's the cool thing to do. Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society.” I hardly think Fact Finder’s original post was meant to “come at you,” as you had just stated above.

Wow, you are the king of ridiculous jumps in logic. Andrew was telling me I was off topic and I was merely pointing out how I got on that topic. But your victim card playbook tells you that's "throwing you under the bus," lol. ok dude. You made a categorical, sweeping generalization and you got buttfucked by logic (but didn't like in in this instance).

I wasn't coming at FF or any one in my initial post, just stating my views.

As for digging myself a ditch I can't get out of... lol. What ditch? You think I care if people don't like my views? You really gotta shut your fuckin face

I am not retreating from my views one bit. I just explained them a bit more neutrally once I had my fun with the overly sensitive people on here.

Here let me help you:

[Ehwmatt]

He wasn't a celeb. He was a 19-year-old kid that lived in Utah most of his life.

Ok, has-been child star then if you want to quibble over semantics

You're in the wrong thread. This was Marie Osmond's son that this thread was about, and you're talking instead about the Bones guy, a child actor, that was another thread.

oh yea, I got mixed up. Oh well, I stand by everything earlier anyway.

Okay, then. I guess you stand by your initial response upon hearing a 19-year-old kid, who had struggled with long-term depression, threw himself off an eight-story building to his death:

"Because it's the cool thing to do.

Until we stop feeling sorry for every dickwad who wants to kill himself, this problem will just get more widespread. We sanction this cop-out bullshit as a society."

Considering he chose to consume massive amounts and alcohol and take drugs, most likely, yes. Probably just another example of someone that didn't have the fortitude to try and kick his habits so he took was he's been taught is the easy (and condoned) way out. I'm sure there are thousands of others that have gone through as much, or more, and decided "You know what ... that's fucking enough!" and fought and quit their vice. He quit on his family and chose to shit in their faces. I would bet anything that this was not clinical depression but, rather, an over-medicated, spoiled, rich kid that's never had to roll up his sleeves and overcome adversity. The note he left was nothing more than a one man pity party that is the equivalent of intentionally stabbing his mother in the fucking heart. Coward.

Spot on dude, spot fucking on

[Ehwmatt]

There is so much ignorance going on in this thread, I think I actually lost a few IQ points for reading it.

Down in the single digits now huh?

[Angel]

There is so much ignorance going on in this thread, I think I actually lost a few IQ points for reading it.

Down in the single digits now huh?

Yeah, Matt. I can barely function my IQ is so low.

[Andrew]

There is so much ignorance going on in this thread, I think I actually lost a few IQ points for reading it.

Yep. Too much for me to read and I don't have the energy to respond.

[Andrew]

There is so much ignorance going on in this thread, I think I actually lost a few IQ points for reading it.

Down in the single digits now huh?

Time to give it a rest. I'll talk to you one on one about this topic someday.

[Ehwmatt]

There is so much ignorance going on in this thread, I think I actually lost a few IQ points for reading it.

Down in the single digits now huh?

Time to give it a rest. I'll talk to you one on one about this topic someday.

Which topic?

[Angel]

There is so much ignorance going on in this thread, I think I actually lost a few IQ points for reading it.

Down in the single digits now huh?

Time to give it a rest. I'll talk to you one on one about this topic someday.

Which topic?

My low IQ. Try to keep up, Einstein.

[Saint John]

Second, I clarified myself immediately in my very next post stating that I was not referring to other cultures

So, what you're saying is, the neurons in other cultures realize that they are just that ... the neurons of other cultures, and act differently than "American culture" neurons?

[JasonD]

Second, I clarified myself immediately in my very next post stating that I was not referring to other cultures

So, what you're saying is, the neurons in other cultures realize that they are just that ... the neurons of other cultures, and act differently than "American culture" neurons?

[Rick]

Lock it Andrew. While I think they're just playing "Cowboy" in this thread, it's gone way beyond it's purpose.

[Ligzig]

I hope all of this angst is only towards celebs. Unless you deal with this yourself (like I have) and I am talking about clinically depressed (topped with anxiety, personality disorder and OCD in my case) then you really shouldn't say shit. There is a HUGE difference between feeling sad i.e "aw, damn...didn't get laid last night...what am I gonna do this weekend? *depressed*" and having a chemical imbalance in your brain. In my case, it was a few years before my brain just snapped into it. It can happen instantly. I would never wish it on anyone and I never wanted this for myself.

I also disagree with the person who said "don't tell me the person starts drinking AFTER he is depressed..." well, unless you have dealt with it...you probably wouldn't understand. I am going to take a stab and say that you think a person drinks himself into being clinically depressed? Or is it more likely some guy gets so drunk off his ass, he does something stupid? Well, in any case...it doesn't matter, you're not in your right mind in either scenario. My point is, they don't have to go hand in hand. You don't need to be drunk or on drugs to be depressed.

I guess all people with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder should just shrug that off too huh? It's as easy as that. This isn't about "being a tough guy" and toughing it out or "looking for attention" I am not really sure what type of "attention" someone can enjoy while being dead. It is a scientifically proven chemical disorder that leaves you feeling hopeless in more ways than one and as I described before...in those moments that might lead you to suicide (as I have felt, personally) It is so very dark and disturbing that I very seriously doubt anyone is thinking about the pain they might cause. It's a far more personal issue, and dealing with their own pain.....

[Angel]

Lock it Andrew. While I think they're just playing "Cowboy" in this thread, it's gone way beyond it's purpose.

Great idea.

[Saint John]

Lock it Andrew. While I think they're just playing "Cowboy" in this thread, it's gone way beyond it's purpose.

I'm not playing anything. I think, just like Matt pointed out with Kamikaze pilots and other culturally taught killings, there's a segment of these people that are killing themselves because they've been exposed to it as being ok. And it's only getting worse.

[Angel]

I hope all of this angst is only towards celebs. Unless you deal with this yourself (like I have) and I am talking about clinically depressed (topped with anxiety, personality disorder and OCD in my case) then you really shouldn't say shit. There is a HUGE difference between feeling sad i.e "aw, damn...didn't get laid last night...what am I gonna do this weekend? *depressed*" and having a chemical imbalance in your brain. In my case, it was a few years before my brain just snapped into it. It can happen instantly. I would never wish it on anyone and I never wanted this for myself.

I also disagree with the person who said "don't tell me the person starts drinking AFTER he is depressed..." well, unless you have dealt with it...you probably wouldn't understand. I am going to take a stab and say that you think a person drinks himself into being clinically depressed? Or is it more likely some guy gets so drunk off his ass, he does something stupid? Well, in any case...it doesn't matter, you're not in your right mind in either scenario. My point is, they don't have to go hand in hand. You don't need to be drunk or on drugs to be depressed.

I guess all people with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder should just shrug that off too huh? It's as easy as that. This isn't about "being a tough guy" and toughing it out or "looking for attention" I am not really sure what type of "attention" someone can enjoy while being dead. It is a scientifically proven chemical disorder that leaves you feeling hopeless in more ways than one and as I described before...in those moments that might lead you to suicide (as I have felt, personally) It is so very dark and disturbing that I very seriously doubt anyone is thinking about the pain they might cause. It's a far more personal issue, and dealing with their own pain.....

Very good points. I just disagree with the "I hope all of this angst is only twards celebs." Celebrity or not, it's a sad situation-the celebrities are just the ones in the limelight, it doesn't mean that this isn't a problem for "regular" people as well. I have personally known 6 people in the past year that have committed suicide-I have no idea what the motive behind the suicide was but I am fairly certain that at least one was related to severe clinical depression.