President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Angel]

You're just pissy because everyone is going to get health care.

No, no, no, you have it all wrong. I think it would be great for everyone to get health care....but that's NOT what they'll be getting-in fact, quite the opposite.

[7 Wishes]

Sorry, but that's where you're wrong. I worked in healthcare admin for many years, and I know the ins and outs of the insurance industry very well. It's hardly perfect, and it leaves a lot to be desired (mainly because of stipulations the GOP insisted upon), but it will not affect Medicare patients and will provide coverage to many who would otherwise not have it. The lack of a moratorium on price controls and pre-existing conditions is truly baffling, though (again, that was at the insistence of McConnell and his other cronies).

[Saint John]

The thing is LieFinder, Obama is an intelligent guy. No one disputes that.

Oh, yes they do! The guy comes from ill seed. His mother was a skanky whore and his father a womanizing drunk. Furthermore, he was reared by communist Frank Marshall Davis and "spiritually advised" by racist Jeremiah Wright. There's nothing in Obama's afro dome but anti-American hatred.

[Rockindeano]

Dude, lose the fucking hate already. You're better than that.

PS- Dissent IS Patriotic. And please don't lecture me on my "hating America" attitude. I served this nation for 6 years.

PPS- Having subpar parents and becoming the most powerful person in the world speaks volumes on the man's character. How do explain Obama's rise to the presidency versus George W Bush's who had everything given to him on a silver platter?

And if you had a million bucks, which guy do you bet on in a game of Jeopardy? Thought so.

[Saint John]

Dude, lose the fucking hate already.

Those are facts.

[RossValoryRocks]

Dude, lose the fucking hate already. You're better than that.

PS- Dissent IS Patriotic. And please don't lecture me on my "hating America" attitude. I served this nation for 6 years.

You should TRY serving it again and apply as much drive as you showed in ferretting out info on the Bush administration to ferret out what the Obama administration does.

But I guess since your "side" won, it's all ok now? Right? All is rosy because you are going to get all the free shit Obama promised you!

Oh wait...you won't answer me...nevermind!

[conversationpc]

SOS going on, I see.

[Saint John]

PPS- Having subpar parents and becoming the most powerful person in the world speaks volumes on the man's character.

I see it as voter stupidity.

How do explain Obama's rise to the presidency

He carried over 90% of the black vote, the anti-American, college professor, hippie-scum vote and the wide-eyed college liberals being taught by these freaks.

versus George W Bush's who had everything given to him on a silver platter?

I don't think anyone should ever have to apologize for having outstanding parents.

And if you had a million bucks, which guy do you bet on in a game of Jeopardy? Thought so.

Obama couldn't even answer when asked who is favorite White Sox player of the past was, and they're his favorite team. Take away the teleprompter and he's as dumb a person as this planet possesses.

[Rockindeano]

PPS- Having subpar parents and becoming the most powerful person in the world speaks volumes on the man's character.

I see it as voter stupidity.

So America is stupid eh?

How do explain Obama's rise to the presidency

He carried over 90% of the black vote, the anti-American, college professor, hippie-scum vote and the wide-eyed college liberals being taught by these freaks.

Sorry Copernicus, that doesn't equal 55 million Americans.

versus George W Bush's who had everything given to him on a silver platter?

I don't think anyone should ever have to apologize for having outstanding parents.

No, but maybe George and Barbs should apologize to America for the terrible way they raised their son.

And if you had a million bucks, which guy do you bet on in a game of Jeopardy? Thought so.

Obama couldn't even answer when asked who is favorite White Sox player of the past was, and they're his favorite team. Take away the teleprompter and he's as dumb a person as this planet possesses.

You're high. Baseball is for guys like you and me, not the POTUS.

[conversationpc]

That guy can't get Reagan's dead dick out of his mouth fast enough.

LOL

Zombie Reagan Raised From Grave to Lead GOP

[The_Noble_Cause]

That guy can't get Reagan's dead dick out of his mouth fast enough.

LOL

Zombie Reagan Raised From Grave to Lead GOP

I love this. Never gets old. That zombie make-up is actually pretty disturbing.

[Don]

US Afghan commander Stanley McChrystal fired by Obama

I don't agree with this. Yes he shouldn't have aired his criticisms in such a public arena but even the people he took swipes at agreed that he is still the best man for the job. Soldiers live and die under the decisions made by this man. This could really blow up and change our strategy in Afghanistan.

[7 Wishes]

He was NOT fired.

He voluntarily tendered his own resignation, which was the right thing to do.

BIG difference.

Don't start lying like Limbaugh and Hannity. I'm on top of it. Damn, you GOBP's are full of shit so often you must spend half your day coughing it out of your lungs.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says he has accepted the resignation of Gen. Stanley McChrystal with regret, but is certain that it is the right decision for the country's national security and the future of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan.

Petraeus is probably even more capable than McChrystal and is a fantastic choice - there will be no loss of momentum and no change in strategy.

Try again, GOBP'ers.

[Rockindeano]

Let me guess, Limbaugh is spinning this as an unjust firing? LOL, the General should be fired for what he said. You don't openly criticize your commander in chief, especially in Rolling Stone magazine. The only little bit of leverage McChrystal had was that he was doing a good job in Afghanistan and the war is going very well there right now. This change in leadership may delay things while the new general gets his feet wet. Remember, Obama wants troops out in July 2011. They better get hopping on this. As for McChrystal, fuck him. Cracks me up, some on here who happen to be soldiers, GI Jim, actively and openly criticizes the president, which is a no no. I bet if a republican were in charge you wouldn't here a peep from him.

[7 Wishes]

But he wasn't fired. He resigned, and that was the best thing for his country.

Petraeus won't lose a step here.

[Rockindeano]

But he wasn't fired. He resigned, and that was the best thing for his country.

Petraeus won't lose a step here.

No I didn't say he was fired...I asked if that was what Right Winged Radio was insinuating. As for Patraeus, one thing is for certain, he is much more seasoned in the press than McChrystal, having spent most of his career in DC.

[Don]

He was NOT fired.

He voluntarily tendered his own resignation, which was the right thing to do.

BIG difference.

Don't start lying like Limbaugh and Hannity. I'm on top of it. Damn, you GOBP's are full of shit so often you must spend half your day coughing it out of your lungs.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says he has accepted the resignation of Gen. Stanley McChrystal with regret, but is certain that it is the right decision for the country's national security and the future of the U.S. mission in Afghanistan.

Petraeus is probably even more capable than McChrystal and is a fantastic choice - there will be no loss of momentum and no change in strategy.

Try again, GOBP'ers.

If you ever served or had any knowledge of how these things work, you would know he was given the choice of resigning or being removed from command.
The only BIG difference is on the General's next performance report.

[Don]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and ... 395402.stm

The announcement that Gen McChrystal was standing down came after he had met Mr Obama at the White House on Wednesday.

Mr Obama said he had made the decision as Gen McChrystal had failed to "meet the standard that should be set by a commanding general".

He insisted: "I don't make this decision based on any difference in policy with General McChrystal, nor on any personal insult."

[The_Noble_Cause]

I really didn't think Obama had the stones to can this Cheney deadender. Bashing the VP, other top security officials, and our international allies while on-record is so reckless that I'm half tempted to say this was self-sabotage. Either that, or McChrystal is entirely too trusting of the press. He knows military code. The Rolling Stone piece depicts a good ole boys clubhouse environment which is ok for grunts, but NOT the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan. Can't believe he let himself get taken down like this. Petraeus is a shrewd consensus pick - not that we can afford to be wasting any more money in Aghanistan right now.

[Marabelle]

how do these guys do it? wasn't it the singer john mayer who hung himself out to dry after his comments? and wasn't it in the same magazine. truth is i'd rather have someone working for me that i could trust cause if you can't trust him how can he faithfully lead your child in this war?

[donnaplease]

Isn't this the same general that was dubbed "General Betray Us" by a liberal group while he was serving under a republican commander-in-chief? Now he's a great guy and the right man for the job? I have no problem with Petraeus stepping in. As I recall, he acted with honor, dignity, and respect while doing the job he had to perform.

I don't blame BO for McChrystal's firing/resignation. It was inappropriate for him to make any political comments, IMO, especially to a rag like RS. I don't believe it should go any further than that, however. I also don't see where the Afghan war is going so great now. I heard today that this month was looking like it may be one of the most deadly since the war there began.

[RossValoryRocks]

I actually agree with Dean and 7 here...McChrystal was WAY out of bounds here...make no mistake though...he was fired...or asked to resign if you prefer...and he should have been. Just like Truman was right to can MacArthur.

[donnaplease]

I really didn't think Obama had the stones to can this Cheney deadender. Bashing the VP, other top security officials, and our international allies while on-record is so reckless that I'm half tempted to say this was self-sabotage. Either that, or McChrystal is entirely too trusting of the press. He knows military code. The Rolling Stone piece depicts a good ole boys clubhouse environment which is ok for grunts, but NOT the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan. Can't believe he let himself get taken down like this. Petraeus is a shrewd consensus pick - not that we can afford to be wasting any more money in Aghanistan right now.

From what I understand, he was in a no-win situation. If he canned him, he would be putting the state of the war in jeopardy because he is making a big change mid-game. If he didn't, he was gonna look like a pansy who lets those under him say whatever they want without consequence. I wonder about the self-sabotage too. He did leak info a few months back when he was pushing for the troops surge, so maybe he's just not the sharpest tool in the box when it comes to PR stuff.

On the other hand... there are folks out there all the time who say highly inappropriate things for political reasons. Bush has been called everything in the book by his haters, and many of those were congressmen who should've known better (and been more honorable) as well. I'm not excusing it, I'm just saying...

[Rockindeano]

I've literally had it with these brassheads. They intentionally back the president into a corner to get what they desire, and many times that is an air strike, an escalation, or a war itself. Just look at General Lemay and what he and the Joint Chiefs tried to establish- an invasion-attempting to corner JFK during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Turns out they(the military) were wrong on that as they were about the Bay of Pigs. There needs to be clear dichotomy of civilian leadership and military brass, and make no mistake, we aren't under the leadership of the Joint Chiefs.

[Don]

No one is saying he is great guy. What I am saying is he was doing his job without any complaints about being incompetent until he said this stuff and now, he's no longer fit to command? So if he hadn't said anything he was going to be fired this week anyway? Of course not.
He was a favorite of the Afghans because he promoted (at least publicly) a policy of making sure there are minimal civilian casualties.
Karzai liked him and wanted him to remain. As he's the President of that country, I think that his opinion should have carried weight here, especially if we are serious about getting out of there in the near future.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Isn't this the same general that was dubbed "General Betray Us" by a liberal group while he was serving under a republican commander-in-chief? Now he's a great guy and the right man for the job?

One in the same. I don't know if MoveOn.org or the Left suddenly think Petraeus is such a swell guy. Since he took office, Obama has kept on many Bush defense holdovers or appointed them to higher posts. The Left is irrelevant.

[Rockindeano]

No one is saying he is great guy. What I am saying is he was doing his job without any complaints about being incompetent until he said this stuff and now, he's no longer fit to command? So if he hadn't said anything he was going to be fired this week anyway? Of course not.
He was a favorite of the Afghans because he promoted (at least publicly) a policy of making sure there are minimal civilian casualties.
Karzai liked him and wanted him to remain. As he's the President of that country, I think that his opinion should have carried weight here, especially if we are serious about getting out of there in the near future.

No, no and no. Karzai is a puppet, installed by Bush as just a figurehead. McChrystal had to be let go, canned, because he tested the "mental steel" of the president. What would Obama look like if he kept him on board, despite the fact that everyone agrees McChrystal is doing an excellent job in Afghanistan? Any member of the brass, from Patraeus to GI Jim knows you do not publicly form an opinion, especially a negative one, to the president of the United States. He got what he deserved. He knew the rules, and this just goes to show he had absolutely no respect for Obama. And if he doesn't respect Obama, he should have stepped down, like Colin Powell did when Bush and Rice were busy lying to the UN under the guise of Resolution 1441.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And if he doesn't respect Obama, he should have stepped down, like Colin Powell did when Bush and Rice were busy lying to the UN under the guise of Resolution 1441.

I wish Powell took such a noble high road. Instead, they used his credibility for the WMD sales pitch, and then fired his ass. Read it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00106.html

[Rockindeano]

And if he doesn't respect Obama, he should have stepped down, like Colin Powell did when Bush and Rice were busy lying to the UN under the guise of Resolution 1441.

I wish Powell took such a noble high road. They used his credibility for the WMD sales pitch, and then fired his ass. Read it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00106.html

Yeah I know the intricacies, but was rather generalizing. It's no secret Powell was disgusted by the Bush Administration and their blatant lies. My point was he probably would have stepped down the next day. Sorry for the confusion. My other point was Powell was "good soldier" and did as directed, rather than open his mouth. Perhaps he saw the presidency in his future and did not want to harm his chances.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah I know the intricacies, but was rather generalizing. It's no secret Powell was disgusted by the Bush Administration and their blatant lies. My point was he probably would have stepped down the next day. Sorry for the confusion. My other point was Powell was "good soldier" and did as directed, rather than open his mouth. Perhaps he saw the presidency in his future and did not want to harm his chances.

Yea, according to aides, Powell was up late into the night trying to remove all the lies and distortions from the UN Speech he was given.