It's on like Donkey Kong - 2012 NHL playoffs

[Frontiers65]

They were great, but they don't hold the league record for points amassed in a season!

Perhaps not, but I'm not sure how relevant it is. Didn't the Seattle Fucking Mariners set some sort of win record in the AL in the past 10 years with 114 wins, only to get smoked by the Yankees?

Tied the regular-season record with 116 wins, but went 4–6 in the playoffs in 2001. Yes, they lost to the Yankees.

[RedWingFan]

That said, those Edmonton teams were the absolute BEST teams ever assembled in the history of the NHL, in my opinion.

They were great, but they don't hold the league record for points amassed in a season!

I assume you are pimping the very good Detroit teams in the 80's? I agree to the total points argument, but Edmonton didn't have the scrub clubs playing, like Florida, Columbus, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Anaheim, or Atlanta. They had a better overall product during EDM's run. You agree?

No, the Wings of the 80's were never a great team. Jacques Demers teams in 87 and 88 were knocked out by the great Oilers teams in the Campbell Conference finals though. They were an overachieving hard working blue collar team.

The team I was referring to was the '96 Wings who finished 62-13-7 for 131 points. They got knocked out that year by the former Noridiques, punctuated with the turtles dirty hit on Draper.

The Wings got rid of the dead weight Keith Primeau which gave more ice time to Igor Larionov and they got Shanny.

[Rockindeano]

The Islanders' dynasty of '80-'83 is still more impressive to me than the Oilers' winning five Cups in 8 years. No team will EVER win three, let alone four, in a row again.

Try this on for size...That Islander team vs today's Vancouver team. If you think about it, Vancouver is far more stacked, deeper and just better than that Isles team. Dennis Potvin was great, but the Canucks have 4 or 5 guys as good as he was. Trottier was awesome, but was he better than the Twins or Kesler? Probably not. Smith- loved that guy, and he may be better than Lu, but what if Lu wins it this year and again next year or in 3?

Just an argument, that's all.

[Seven Wishes2]

You can't compare hockey players from the late 70's, who didn't have off-season workout and conditioning programs, to today's thoroughbred athletes. It's not a fair comparison.

[Rockindeano]

Hey Sean, question for you.

You are Boston head Coach. Do you keep Big Z down low on the PP or do you put him and his 100MPH shot back on the point?

Julien is staying with Z down low. i for one think it's kind of dumb, but yet again, i am not an NHL Head Coach and Julien is a very good one.

What are your thoughts on this S2M? If BOS can't score on the PP, they have NO chance.

Thanks in advance. Looking forward to your thoughts Sean, as you were a goalie. I would imagine the 6'9" Z would pose a problem for Bobby Lu, but IMO, he just can't tip the puck like Kesler, Smyth, Holmstrom, etc.

[S2M]

Hey Sean, question for you.

You are Boston head Coach. Do you keep Big Z down low on the PP or do you put him and his 100MPH shot back on the point?

Julien is staying with Z down low. i for one think it's kind of dumb, but yet again, i am not an NHL Head Coach and Julien is a very good one.

What are your thoughts on this S2M? If BOS can't score on the PP, they have NO chance.

Thanks in advance. Looking forward to your thoughts Sean, as you were a goalie. I would imagine the 6'9" Z would pose a problem for Bobby Lu, but IMO, he just can't tip the puck like Kesler, Smyth, Holmstrom, etc.

Well...to tell the truth, I've never been any good when being screened. It is just too tough to have to peek around players, and pay attention to the action at the same time....just one errant deflection and I'm toast....

That being said, Luongo used to play exactly like Thomas last year....playing far outside the net. Being 6'3" helps Lu more staying back towards the net, and he's changed that this year....his big frame aids his puck-stopping abilities...Thomas is much smaller, thus likes to come out and cut down the area shooters can see....

Now THAT being said....to your question. I would put Chara back at the point. Lu has a suspect glove, and would definitely have trouble stopping a 105 MPH slapper from the blueline....I'd much rather put a smaller, more agile player down low.....it would aid in better tip opportunities, and also aid in getting cross-check calls....no one's moving Big Z....and that hurts the penalty calls.

[StevePerryHair]

Wow!! Sudden death win for VAN, in what?? 10 sec?? Awesome!!

[Deb]

YESSS!!!!!!!!

[StevePerryHair]

YESSS!!!!!!!!

Oops..guess it was 11 seconds! What an awesome play! Now they just have to win two more in Boston!!

[S2M]

First star of the game goes to the NHL front office.....

Burrows in on all 3 goals....he should have been suspended for this game. Bruins with a 2-0 win. The league should be ashamed of themselves by cherry-picking the rules for the Finals....biting is a suspendable offense. This happened 2 years ago against Carolina in the playoffs when Scott Walker wasn't suspended....he ended up scoring a winning goal in the next game.

Canucks - 1

League Office - 1

Bruins - 0

Jarkko Ruutu got 2 games for biting Andrew Peters in '09....the league office has an agenda. Period.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/2009-01-06-sabres-senators_N.htm

[Behshad]

S2M
Why do you even bother watching the games ?!
You don't enjoy hockey. You only enjoy bitching and live off of what ifs.

Pathetic.

GO CANUCKS !!!!

[S2M]

S2M
Why do you even bother watching the games ?!
You don't enjoy hockey. You only enjoy bitching and live off of what ifs.

Pathetic.

GO CANUCKS !!!!

True...right now I'm what iffing you weren't such a prick....how about that?

[Behshad]

So with S2M's {lack of} logic , if Vancouver wins the cup, he will still cry and he'll think that Boston won in his mind and rightfully so because of Burrows not getting suspended

The whole "Boston 2-0 win, if..." is laughable. I'm sure if Burrows would've been suspended , the game would've played EXACTLY the same way except when Vancouver scored any goals

He claims that he knows the sport and knows how to analyze this , but not ONCE has he mentioned anything about any missed calls AGAINST HIS TEAM or any cheap goals scored by his team. Always looking for reasons {excuses} as to why the other team scored or won .

So to sum it up , I'm a prick and S2M is a pathetic&sore loser !

[Enigma869]

Hey Sean, question for you.

You are Boston head Coach. Do you keep Big Z down low on the PP or do you put him and his 100MPH shot back on the point?

Julien is staying with Z down low. i for one think it's kind of dumb, but yet again, i am not an NHL Head Coach and Julien is a very good one.

Putting Chara in front of the net on the PP (a PP that is fucking putrid, by the way) is one of the dopiest decisions ever made by a coach. The dude is 6 fucking 9 and can't find any loose pucks in his skates. I've said from the beginning that the Bruins are way over matched in this series, so why make it easier for the more talented team to win. On another note, it's fucking embarrassing that the NHL didn't suspend Burrows. I don't really give a fuck about Burrows scoring two goals and assisting on the other one, because I said this before last night's game. How a guy gets away with biting another guy (and it couldn't have been more obvious) is beyond me. It's an embarrassment to the NHL not to discipline a player for this and I wouldn't feel any differently if it were a Bruins player.

[S2M]

So with S2M's {lack of} logic , if Vancouver wins the cup, he will still cry and he'll think that Boston won in his mind and rightfully so because of Burrows not getting suspended

The whole "Boston 2-0 win, if..." is laughable. I'm sure if Burrows would've been suspended , the game would've played EXACTLY the same way except when Vancouver scored any goals

He claims that he knows the sport and knows how to analyze this , but not ONCE has he mentioned anything about any missed calls AGAINST HIS TEAM or any cheap goals scored by his team. Always looking for reasons {excuses} as to why the other team scored or won .

So to sum it up , I'm a prick and S2M is a pathetic&sore loser !

Let me clue you in, B...cause it is evident you are flailing about in the water without the skills needed to stay afloat....

Missed calls(no matter which team got hosed) matter....pussified decisions by league affices matter....a couple of points:

Your upstart Indians are ahead 8-7 in the bottom of the 9th AT Oakland. 2 outs, runner at 1st...Matsui hits a routine grounder to 2nd and Dejesus is tagged by the 2nd baseman....however, the runner is called safe. Replay shows the runner WAS tagged. That would have been the 3rd out. Game over Indians should have won....Mark Ellis comes up and hits a 3-run homer and Oakland wins....now would it be fair for me to totally ignore the missed call and say, 'Well if Cleveland would have scored a couple of more runs in the 4th inning the missed call wouldn't have mattered'?

[Saint John]

I've watched the video a thousand times and there's absolutely zero evidence that Burrows bit Bergeron. None, nada, zip, zilch. It appears that he probably did, but the refs made the right call, as they have to call what they actually see in an instance like this, and not what they think happened. That's a suspendable offense and you really want indisputable evidence, as to not compromise the integrity of the playoffs and Finals. Another great job by the refs and the league. In a league where guys get their teeth knocked out, play with busted up faces and involve themselves in sometimes brutal fist fights, I think Bergeron disgraced himself, his team and the game itself by whining to the refs that his poor little finger was *probably* in Burrows' mouth for an 1/8th of a second. And Burrows jammed it right up his ass last night. I could see that fag Bergeron lobbying to the league office that Vancouver scored too fast in overtime last night. What a complete pussy.

[Behshad]

So with S2M's {lack of} logic , if Vancouver wins the cup, he will still cry and he'll think that Boston won in his mind and rightfully so because of Burrows not getting suspended

The whole "Boston 2-0 win, if..." is laughable. I'm sure if Burrows would've been suspended , the game would've played EXACTLY the same way except when Vancouver scored any goals

He claims that he knows the sport and knows how to analyze this , but not ONCE has he mentioned anything about any missed calls AGAINST HIS TEAM or any cheap goals scored by his team. Always looking for reasons {excuses} as to why the other team scored or won .

So to sum it up , I'm a prick and S2M is a pathetic&sore loser !

Let me clue you in, B...cause it is evident you are flailing about in the water without the skills needed to stay afloat....

Missed calls(no matter which team got hosed) matter....pussified decisions by league affices matter....a couple of points:

Your upstart Indians are ahead 8-7 in the bottom of the 9th AT Oakland. 2 outs, runner at 1st...Matsui hits a routine grounder to 2nd and Dejesus is tagged by the 2nd baseman....however, the runner is called safe. Replay shows the runner WAS tagged. That would have been the 3rd out. Game over Indians should have won....Mark Ellis comes up and hits a 3-run homer and Oakland wins....now would it be fair for me to totally ignore the missed call and say, 'Well if Cleveland would have scored a couple of more runs in the 4th inning the missed call wouldn't have mattered'?

The only one around here trying to float is you since you're drowning in your own tears after every game you lose

How come you NEVER say anything about any missed calls when it comes to your team.

I hope the refs keep missing penalties/offsides and just let Vancoiver win this cup as it's all been planned glad you made it to the finals , Boston . No Cup for you

[StevePerryHair]

I've watched the video a thousand times and there's absolutely zero evidence that Burrows bit Bergeron. None, nada, zip, zilch. It appears that he probably did, but the refs made the right call, as they have to call what they actually see in an instance like this, and not what they think happened. That's a suspendable offense and you really want indisputable evidence, as to not compromise the integrity of the playoffs and Finals. Another great job by the refs and the league. In a league where guys get their teeth knocked out, play with busted up faces and involve themselves in sometimes brutal fist fights, I think Bergeron disgraced himself, his team and the game itself by whining to the refs that his poor little finger was *probably* in Burrows' mouth for an 1/8th of a second. And Burrows jammed it right up his ass last night. I could see that fag Bergeron lobbying to the league office that Vancouver scored too fast in overtime last night. What a complete pussy.

That's what I was thinking Dan! It's fine to rip helmets off and sucker punch someone in the face, or slam them on the ground, or against a wall, and MAYBE get a minor penalty, but hey, this guy crossed the line with a possible bite! And Boston has it's moments of roughing in every series. Yeah, they never play dirty and get away with it

[Enigma869]

I've watched the video a thousand times and there's absolutely zero evidence that Burrows bit Bergeron. None, nada, zip, zilch. It appears that he probably did, but the refs made the right call, as they have to call what they actually see in an instance like this, and not what they think happened. That's a suspendable offense and you really want indisputable evidence, as to not compromise the integrity of the playoffs and Finals. Another great job by the refs and the league. In a league where guys get their teeth knocked out, play with busted up faces and involve themselves in sometimes brutal fist fights, I think Bergeron disgraced himself, his team and the game itself by whining to the refs that his poor little finger was *probably* in Burrows' mouth for an 1/8th of a second. And Burrows jammed it right up his ass last night. I could see that fag Bergeron lobbying to the league office that Vancouver scored too fast in overtime last night. What a complete pussy.

You're a fucking dope! Here is a clue for you dude...if you watched the video 1000 times and came to the conclusion that there is "zero evidence that Burrows bit Bergeron", get yourself fitted for eyeglasses immediately! My four and a half year old son could figure that "mystery" out! Let me make it VERY clear that the Bruins didn't lose that game last night because of Burrows. They lost it because of some inept plays. They are two completely separate issues. It's simply fucking absurd for anyone with two fucking brain cells connected that "nothing happened there". Right...the guy has fucking teeth mark on his finger because nothing happened. Dope!

[Seven Wishes2]

He bit him, clearly. He should have been suspended.

He wasn't. The Bruins lost. Sure, the outcome COULD have been different. No way to know. Now the Bruins have to win 4 of 5. No way to change it now.

But, Burrows should have been suspended. Zero doubt about that.

[Deb]

I've watched the video a thousand times and there's absolutely zero evidence that Burrows bit Bergeron. None, nada, zip, zilch. It appears that he probably did, but the refs made the right call, as they have to call what they actually see in an instance like this, and not what they think happened. That's a suspendable offense and you really want indisputable evidence, as to not compromise the integrity of the playoffs and Finals. Another great job by the refs and the league. In a league where guys get their teeth knocked out, play with busted up faces and involve themselves in sometimes brutal fist fights, I think Bergeron disgraced himself, his team and the game itself by whining to the refs that his poor little finger was *probably* in Burrows' mouth for an 1/8th of a second. And Burrows jammed it right up his ass last night. I could see that fag Bergeron lobbying to the league office that Vancouver scored too fast in overtime last night. What a complete pussy.

You're a fucking dope! Here is a clue for you dude...if you watched the video 1000 times and came to the conclusion that there is "zero evidence that Burrows bit Bergeron", get yourself fitted for eyeglasses immediately! My four and a half year old son could figure that "mystery" out! Let me make it VERY clear that the Bruins didn't lose that game last night because of Burrows. They lost it because of some inept plays. They are two completely separate issues. It's simply fucking absurd for anyone with two fucking brain cells connected that "nothing happened there". Right...the guy has fucking teeth mark on his finger because nothing happened. Dope!

I still want Van to bring the cup home, but Dan if you couldn't see that in replay you really DO need glasses. But whatever, done is done. What really pissed me off though was this class-less taunt in last nights game, what a punk.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtY5g4o72qk

[S2M]

I've watched the video a thousand times and there's absolutely zero evidence that Burrows bit Bergeron. None, nada, zip, zilch. It appears that he probably did, but the refs made the right call, as they have to call what they actually see in an instance like this, and not what they think happened. That's a suspendable offense and you really want indisputable evidence, as to not compromise the integrity of the playoffs and Finals. Another great job by the refs and the league. In a league where guys get their teeth knocked out, play with busted up faces and involve themselves in sometimes brutal fist fights, I think Bergeron disgraced himself, his team and the game itself by whining to the refs that his poor little finger was *probably* in Burrows' mouth for an 1/8th of a second. And Burrows jammed it right up his ass last night. I could see that fag Bergeron lobbying to the league office that Vancouver scored too fast in overtime last night. What a complete pussy.

Save some scratch and buy a pair of Foster Grants, Dan....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7-wlOH6Nfk&feature=related

[Enigma869]

I still want Van to bring the cup home, but Dan if you couldn't see that in replay you really DO need glasses. But whatever, done is done. What really pissed me off though was this class-less taunt in last nights game, what a punk.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtY5g4o72qk

Thanks for being a voice of reason Deb. There is nothing I LOATHE more than someone with an agenda. I don't care who hates what Boston sports team. What's wrong is wrong, and suggesting that this guy didn't bite Bergeron is just plain moronic! Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the match up between the two teams. I said before the series started that Vancouver was soooooo far superior in talent to the Bruins, that they should probably sweep them. I just think that it sends the wrong message for the league not to discipline a player for something so blatantly obvious. Then again, this is the same league who looked the other way on that cocksucker Matt Cooke and didn't discipline him when he ended Savard's career! No wonder the NHL doesn't have national appeal. They really need to get their act together. Thanks to Boston, they have their highest Stanley Cup ratings in 13 years, but they certainly can't count on the Bruins getting there year after year to boost their ratings!

[Behshad]

I still want Van to bring the cup home, but Dan if you couldn't see that in replay you really DO need glasses. But whatever, done is done. What really pissed me off though was this class-less taunt in last nights game, what a punk.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtY5g4o72qk

Thanks for being a voice of reason Deb. There is nothing I LOATHE more than someone with an agenda. I don't care who hates what Boston sports team. What's wrong is wrong, and suggesting that this guy didn't bite Bergeron is just plain moronic! Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the match up between the two teams. I said before the series started that Vancouver was soooooo far superior in talent to the Bruins, that they should probably sweep them. I just think that it sends the wrong message for the league not to discipline a player for something so blatantly obvious. Then again, this is the same league who looked the other way on that cocksucker Matt Cooke and didn't discipline him when he ended Savard's career! No wonder the NHL doesn't have national appeal. They really need to get their act together. Thanks to Boston, they have their highest Stanley Cup ratings in 13 years, but they certainly can't count on the Bruins getting there year after year to boost their ratings!

I don't think anyone here (besides Dan) argues that there was some nibbling going on
But if anyone think that Burrows' suspension would've made last nights game 2-0 for Boston , they're as blind as those who missed the bite

[Maui Tom]

I have no horse in this race but he bit the guy...plain and simple....kinda cheapens the whole sport when nothing is done...the color guys on NBC were sure he'd get suspended and nothing...Milbury seemed especially torqued...

[StevePerryHair]

I still want Van to bring the cup home, but Dan if you couldn't see that in replay you really DO need glasses. But whatever, done is done. What really pissed me off though was this class-less taunt in last nights game, what a punk.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtY5g4o72qk

Thanks for being a voice of reason Deb. There is nothing I LOATHE more than someone with an agenda. I don't care who hates what Boston sports team. What's wrong is wrong, and suggesting that this guy didn't bite Bergeron is just plain moronic! Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the match up between the two teams. I said before the series started that Vancouver was soooooo far superior in talent to the Bruins, that they should probably sweep them. I just think that it sends the wrong message for the league not to discipline a player for something so blatantly obvious. Then again, this is the same league who looked the other way on that cocksucker Matt Cooke and didn't discipline him when he ended Savard's career! No wonder the NHL doesn't have national appeal. They really need to get their act together. Thanks to Boston, they have their highest Stanley Cup ratings in 13 years, but they certainly can't count on the Bruins getting there year after year to boost their ratings!

so what did you think of Horton's sucker punch on Moore in the TB series game one? Like 40 seconds left in the game, right after Lucic did the same to Hedman? ...all they got was a 10 min penalty with only 40 sec left of course. That was a blatant punch in the jaw/head...Hedman was almost knocked out! it was reviewed and he played next game. Is that ok because it's the bruins? All teams get away with crap in the NHL, and Boston is no exception. Cry all you want. Or just give up hockey since the league is so messed up.

[StevePerryHair]

Here .. watch the replay to refresh memories....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul613LQqxy4

Yeah, the Bruins are a class act

[Saint John]

I've watched the video a thousand times and there's absolutely zero evidence that Burrows bit Bergeron. None, nada, zip, zilch. It appears that he probably did, but the refs made the right call, as they have to call what they actually see in an instance like this, and not what they think happened. That's a suspendable offense and you really want indisputable evidence, as to not compromise the integrity of the playoffs and Finals. Another great job by the refs and the league. In a league where guys get their teeth knocked out, play with busted up faces and involve themselves in sometimes brutal fist fights, I think Bergeron disgraced himself, his team and the game itself by whining to the refs that his poor little finger was *probably* in Burrows' mouth for an 1/8th of a second. And Burrows jammed it right up his ass last night. I could see that fag Bergeron lobbying to the league office that Vancouver scored too fast in overtime last night. What a complete pussy.

Save some scratch and buy a pair of Foster Grants, Dan....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7-wlOH6Nfk&feature=related

Again, there is zero evidence in that clip. None. Anyone that thinks there is is a fucking whiny clown. Lastly, just as the NHL said, there was no conclusive evidence to warrant a suspension. It looks like the league and I have it right and the whiny fanboys with their skirts on have it wrong. Nice try, though, ladies.

PS Someone tell that creep, Tim Thomas, that overtime goals in the first 11 seconds count.

[Deb]

I still want Van to bring the cup home, but Dan if you couldn't see that in replay you really DO need glasses. But whatever, done is done. What really pissed me off though was this class-less taunt in last nights game, what a punk.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtY5g4o72qk

Thanks for being a voice of reason Deb. There is nothing I LOATHE more than someone with an agenda. I don't care who hates what Boston sports team. What's wrong is wrong, and suggesting that this guy didn't bite Bergeron is just plain moronic! Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the match up between the two teams. I said before the series started that Vancouver was soooooo far superior in talent to the Bruins, that they should probably sweep them. I just think that it sends the wrong message for the league not to discipline a player for something so blatantly obvious. Then again, this is the same league who looked the other way on that cocksucker Matt Cooke and didn't discipline him when he ended Savard's career! No wonder the NHL doesn't have national appeal. They really need to get their act together. Thanks to Boston, they have their highest Stanley Cup ratings in 13 years, but they certainly can't count on the Bruins getting there year after year to boost their ratings!

so what did you think of Horton's sucker punch on Moore in the TB series game one? Like 40 seconds left in the game, right after Lucic did the same to Hedman? ...all they got was a 10 min penalty with only 40 sec left of course. That was a blatant punch in the jaw/head...Moore was almost knocked out! it was reviewed and he played next game. Is that ok because it's the bruins? All teams get away with crap in the NHL, and Boston is no exception. Cry all you want. Or just give up hockey since the league is so messed up.

Nobody's arguing that, I was just saying you'd have to be blind to not see it in the replay. LOL I still think Van would have won that second game regardless. I was pissed at LaPierre's taunting in the second game though, not cool at all. But ya, crowds get pissed, calls get missed all the time.......... even to my Iggy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1HYYMjlh8

[YoungJRNY]

Man, I wish I gave a shit enough about hockey or this Cup to actually care to jump in this conversation. Looks like the NFL thread all over again with the HEAT. Good read Until football season....