President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Liam]

Last political thing I say on here....

[Memorex]

Good thing mostof these layoffs are happening now, so when President Obama starts his second term, we will have many job creations

That's pretty funny. I get it cause you mean these layoffs are happening now, and then that gives opportunity in the second term for these people to be hired. It's nice to wake up to a dose of that feel good humor.

Yesterday my boss informed us that there will be significant layoffs in December as a direct result of the pending Obamacare costs and other economic factors. They have also began the process of selling the division here in MN to a company that would most likely not keep most of us.

The good news is I can sit down with my wife, 6 kids, 2 nieces, and my granddaughter and talk about how funny it is, since this will help boost job numbers in the 2nd term. It will be nice to bond of that laughter.

I say pictures before humor B.

P.S. It's so awesome that huge corporations and high-profile companies got all those waivers from Obamacare to keep the bad news down in an election year, but my boss who has put millions of his own dollars back into this company to keep us going can't do shit. And thank God all those very poor unions got waivers from their Cadillac plans so I could lose my half-decent healthcare that I pay $1400 a month for out of my own pocket. Fuckin awesome!

Any business owner that starts paying off people based on what the THINK Obama healthcare reform MIGHT do, is an idiot. They go base on assumption and layoff people. What happens if it doesnt turn out to what they assumed ? Will they rehire these people back, oh yea they will, but without benefits now since theyre new hired staff. So its a win-win situation for them, without any kind of concern about who helps them keep their business alive: their workers.

This is so far off reality sir. They already know what the costs will be. Businesses have been getting analysis for quite a while now. The rules are the rules - it's no longer a matter of what it might do. I can tell you my boss is extremely concerned about his staff and has done everything in his power not to let anyone go, including the loss of most of his savings.

I get the feeling you see all of this in abstract ways, like these aren't real people. It's just rich and poor, white and ethnic, winners and losers. I think the media helps that by not telling the story of the folks that are hurting out there.

I've worked extremely hard my entire life (worked till 3am last night). I've put off most good things in life to support my family.

Ah forget it, there are people that get it and people that don't. That's cool. I hope I can keep working and caring for my family and I'll just do the best I can.

[Memorex]

Was just taking my bad mood out on you. Sorry about that. Just ignore me.

If I see Boehner and Obama golfing together and not fixing things though....

[DavidWT]

Has anyone else noticed that people are using the word "folks" a whole lot more since Obama took office. Before Obama, people would say "people." Then Obama gets into office, and he starts referring to people as "folks," and suddenly everyone else is doing it. Not that it matters, of course, but it just struck me as kind of odd how everyone latched on to that word, even people (or should I say "folks") who never used it before. Newscasters, in particular, love to use that word now.

[conversationpc]

Has anyone else noticed that people are using the word "folks" a whole lot more since Obama took office. Before Obama, people would say "people." Then Obama gets into office, and he starts referring to people as "folks," and suddenly everyone else is doing it. Not that it matters, of course, but it just struck me as kind of odd how everyone latched on to that word, even people (or should I say "folks") who never used it before. Newscasters, in particular, love to use that word now.

Bill O'Reilly has been using that term for a while now. I think more than likely it caught on from him than Obama.

[The Sushi Hunter]

You guys understand that the illegal aliens put us in this situation, right? They simply swayed their legal families that they should vote for a US president that would support all of them with yet more entitlements to come over the next four years. It's called the "spit out another kid and get a raise program". The other program is called "don't pay taxes but get a refund". Then there is the "come as you are, to any of our hospitals and get free medical care program". Am I not the only one who gets an upset stomach and wants to puke over this bullshit?

You've hit the nail on the head, and this isn't the first time. You've also said that as a US born citizen, you've not been treated as well as individuals who have not even been born in this country. Welcome to the US. That's exactly how I started feeling after getting out of the military and beginning my civilian life. How you can completely defeat a race is to remove them from jobs. Without jobs you don't have money and without money you have to either go somewhere else or stay and die. The North Vietnamese did exactly that to the South Vietnamese right after the fall of Saigon.

Look up the word "anchor babies" among other things. And in regards to swaying the vote, as mentioned earlier, the UK was very interested in Romney's Mormon background and they were running it publically in UK. And my coworker was talking to her relatives who are in the UK about it. One thing to realize, upper management will place a "minority" in a management position out of the kindness of their bleeding hearts, and that minority will take that position with an agenda to only cater to their own kind. I've seen this over and over again throughout the past 20 years of my civiilian life. And once that minority fills that management position, they will never be replaced by a non-minority ever again and a funny thing happens to the department that the minority manager is assigned to, non-minorities lose their jobs and minorities fill those vaccant positions just as soon as they can. It's called taking over this country without firing a single bullet. And there is no one to blame but the bleeding heart libs for doing this. And there will be a day when their white kids and grandkids become "outsourced" and replaced by a "minority. And when they see this happening to their own family, kids and grandkids, they can look in the mirror and say that they had a part in letting that happen.

[Boomchild]

MARKET NEWS: Dow dives 350+ points, sinks below 13,000

Yeah I just read that. This is going to be a fucking great next four years. During the second term Obama can now blame all the current problems on his previous four years in office.

Should that happen you can be sure Obama will still be blaming the Bush Administration.

But he didn't inherit Bush's economy this time. He inherited his own and in time when things are still fucked up he won't be able to blame Bush anymore.

This is a president for the entitlement crowd. You think Tax Credits, Welfare, Foodstamps and Medical expenditures escalated during Obama's first term, wait til after the second. It's gonna be mind blowing. No wonder the minorities like this guy. Someone needs to put their foot down and the gravey train needs to come to a halt, or we are screwed and next time I will move to another country. This is not my fucking debt and I'm getting pissed!

For those who say Romney didn't cater enough to the hispanics and other minorities, well I say to you this is America and we shouldn't have to. This is how fucked up it's become. People who are born here are not treated as well as some of these illegals.

The fact is it doesn't matter whether it's true or not. They'll spin it in away that points back to before his first term. Saying something like "this situation is taking longer to rebound from then anyone ever thought". Politicians always have and always will make statements that are ridiculous just to try and save their ass. The sad fact is a lot of people will believe it.

They'll believe it until the economics begin affect them...


Don't forget that FDR was on his way to having his legacy be irrevocably tied to the Depression only... FDR was not universally accepted in his day as a great savior, he had many detractors, and no plan whatsover to attack the Great Depression. The social programs instituted during the Depression had little effect on turning the economy around. And then the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor...

There is no doubt that FDR was a great leader through WWII.... which is his legacy.. but for FDR's legacy, WWII was it's saving grace.. it is what put a positive spin on his Depression era tenure, and it's potential failure.


Obama now faces the same problem.... his 1st term was about his party.. this one is about his legacy... failing to turn the economy will be what defines his presidency, and his legacy.

It may define his legacy for some but not all and I believe it won't change the minds of the people who support him. I was speaking to someone a few weeks ago about the election and why I thought Obama was not the answer and that he hasn't accomplished the things he said he would regarding the economy. The person told me they believed this was not Obama's fault but the fault of the Republicans blocking the policies and changes he wanted to make. "Just like they did to Jimmy Carter, who was a great President". The sad fact is there is a huge amount of the voting population that don't "get it" and will believe that it's always the Republican party holding the U.S. back from prosperity and growth.

[NealIsGod]

I found this pretty interesting. 10 out of 10 of the best educated states in the U.S. voted for Obama and 9 out of the 10 worst educated states voted for Romney.

http://tribuneofthepeople.com/2012/11/08/election-infographic-shows-most-educated-states-voted-for-obama-happy-place/

[artist4perry]

Last political thing I say on here....

This is hilarious Liam....

[conversationpc]

TOP SPOOK OUT: PETRAEUS RESIGNS OVER 'AFFAIR'

Was Slated to Testify on Benghazi Next Week...

Yep, a little suspicious, don't you think?

[brandonx76]

Mapping racist Tweets: where post-election hate came from
Summary: After Barack Obama won America's 2012 Presidential election this week, a spate vile racist tweets hit Twitter. One data company tried to figure out where that hate was coming from

http://www.zdnet.com/mapping-racist-twe ... 000007202/

[slucero]

Mapping racist Tweets: where post-election hate came from
Summary: After Barack Obama won America's 2012 Presidential election this week, a spate vile racist tweets hit Twitter. One data company tried to figure out where that hate was coming from

http://www.zdnet.com/mapping-racist-twe ... 000007202/

interesting that none came from Idaho, Montana or Utah... which is a known independent stronghold..

[Memorex]

Was just taking my bad mood out on you. Sorry about that. Just ignore me.

If I see Boehner and Obama golfing together and not fixing things though....

Well that didn't take long:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-plays-golf_662260.html

I'll give him this one though. It's the weekend and the Pres needs to unwind after the fight before he heads back to work. I just hope he keeps it in check until things are much improved. I don't see that happening, but one could hope.

[YoungJRNY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm9788Tb5g

[Memorex]

"I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf," he said. "I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal."

Bush said he made that decision after the August 2003 bombing of the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, which killed Sergio Vieira de Mello, the top U.N. official in Iraq and the organization's high commissioner for human rights.
"I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man's life," he said. "I was playing golf -- I think I was in central Texas -- and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, 'It's just not worth it anymore to do.'"

Bush took a lot of vacations towards the end though. Most were working vacations, but still.....

I just don't see how any president can go golfing with unemployment so high. I guess people don't care, but I think it's odd. It's like having a steak dinner in front of a hurricane victim that just lost everything.

[YoungJRNY]

Dude, the president has every right to un-wind and save room to do things he, as a human-being, has a freedom to do from a hobby-standpoint so he can come back TO the crisis's he see's everyday with a clear mind. Maybe you should be pissed on how he helps his girls with their homework for a couple hours before they go to bed every night because God Forbid, those hours lost is the different between saving the Economy and nose-diving into a Great Depression. This dude will spend the next 4 years in hot-water and watch his hair go from gray to white because of the never ending hours spent in the oval-office.

A few hours to himself is the exact thing I would want to see because a tense and cramped president doesn't make for pleasant, worldly decisions.

[Memorex]

Sorry - but no one working for us - that we pay for - should be golfing over 100 times in 3 years or so when so many people are out of work and NOTHING IS BEING DONE IN WASHINGTON. Tell me about their stressful day. What has the president stressed over for the last year or more? The campaign. I've seen no work. I've seen no big efforts to do anything. If he was working hard and working with congress, etc, then yea - I get the OCCASIONAL golf game. But don't act like the president or the folks in congress have worked very hard the last few years. They certainly have not earned the position or the money we pay them.

No - I think they all need to get the fuck back to work and actually do something with the next four years. I know what hard work is and the majority of politicians don't do it.

Like I said - the occasional golf game - fine. But fucking do something to earn it. Combined with all the basketball, parties at the white house, and huge vacations, it looks like shit.

The Dems (and I) said the same shit about Bush when he was vacationing so much toward the end. Could ANY of us get away with that much leisure time?

[YoungJRNY]

Not a big deal to see the President do things as normal people do once in awhile. I'm pretty sure me or you haven't stepped foot into the White House to see the operations and stacks of papers this guy has to go through to unite us as one. That's the problem in the United States. The civil war between Blue and Red, not a vacation or tee-shot here or there. NOTHING, as you say, is being done because of the bone-headed separation in the House that go against everything the President ever proposes.

It's now a new term, hopefully the dipshits in the house can reason with O and try to turn things around these next 4 years. We shall see.

[Behshad]

Sorry - but no one working for us - that we pay for - should be golfing over 100 times in 3 years or so when so many people are out of work and NOTHING IS BEING DONE IN WASHINGTON. Tell me about their stressful day. What has the president stressed over for the last year or more? The campaign. I've seen no work. I've seen no big efforts to do anything. If he was working hard and working with congress, etc, then yea - I get the OCCASIONAL golf game. But don't act like the president or the folks in congress have worked very hard the last few years. They certainly have not earned the position or the money we pay them.

No - I think they all need to get the fuck back to work and actually do something with the next four years. I know what hard work is and the majority of politicians don't do it.

Like I said - the occasional golf game - fine. But fucking do something to earn it. Combined with all the basketball, parties at the white house, and huge vacations, it looks like shit.

The Dems (and I) said the same shit about Bush when he was vacationing so much toward the end. Could ANY of us get away with that much leisure time?

You think he could create jobs if he didn't golf ?
You think he could get lazy people to go look for jobs that are out there , if he didn't golf ?

Washington is not the answer to creating jobs or bringing unemployment down. There are millions of jobs out there. People need to stop bitching and being negative. They need to take whatever job they can while looking for a better job.
Funny how the same people who are expecting the government to create jobs for them , are usually the same ones who are against " bigger government ".

[Memorex]

Ok. I give up. They should all golf.

Anyway, I wasn't saying never golf - I'm saying don't golf so much while not doing much in office (both sides - not just the Prez).

But whatever - they should golf and party and vacation and spend our money and rack up debt. It's cool. Hopefully that will help solve everything.

[slucero]

The traditional excuse used for America's collapsing labor force participation rate is that due to "demographics" and retiring baby boomers, increasingly more old workers are no longer counted by the BLS and as a result, are skewing the labor force. That's where the discussion ends because digging into details is not what people do.. they simple believe the bullshit. This would be great if it was true.

It isn't.

Of the 3.3 million jobs "created", a gasp-inducing 3.8 million has gone to workers aged 55 and over, or the one cohort (the Boomers) that according to conventional wisdom is retiring, and actively leaving the workforce. How can America's elderly workers account for more than the total?

Simple: workers in the young (16-19) and prime (25-54) cohorts have cumulatively lost a whopping 1.3 million, with just the 25-54 age group losing 842,000 jobs.

Broken down by age group, the total October numbers show new job distribution as follows:

16-19.... 10.7%
25-54.... 9.8%
55+....... 67.8%


All the jobs are going to old workers, who have zero wage bargaining leverage (as they just want to have a day to day paycheck), which means that wages on average are falling.

The "millions of jobs" available are being taken by those 55 and over because the standard of living for that age group is declining, and their re-entry into the workforce is a clear indicator of it. That they have no wage bargaining leverage is also going to result in lower wages across the board, for all age groups, and "better jobs" (meaning higher paying) are not being created.




So, when looking at the facts.. It really isn't a question about "stop bitching and being negative"...

Unless one simply wants to be obtuse.

[Behshad]

My point is there are jobs out there. But people are too lazy.
I see " help wanted " signs and ads all over the place.
We had an ad for two weeks to hire a sales guy , making between 35000-50000 a year.
We thought we would have at least 20-30 people applying , but no , only 3 people applied and around 10 people just came in to show that they've been looking for a job so they could get their unemployment or welfare check.
This is the mindset of a lot of people these days. Specially now , when you see people complaining on FB about " freeloaders" ,yet they seem to forget that they are one of them !

[Behshad]

Romney's Campaign Staff Stranded On Election Night With Cancelled Credit Cards

http://www.ibtimes.com/romneys-campaign ... rds-869440

[Memorex]

My point is there are jobs out there. But people are too lazy.
I see " help wanted " signs and ads all over the place.
We had an ad for two weeks to hire a sales guy , making between 35000-50000 a year.
We thought we would have at least 20-30 people applying , but no , only 3 people applied and around 10 people just came in to show that they've been looking for a job so they could get their unemployment or welfare check.
This is the mindset of a lot of people these days. Specially now , when you see people complaining on FB about " freeloaders" ,yet they seem to forget that they are one of them !

Why do you think this has become more of a problem? What shifted things?

Yes - rhetorical question.

[slucero]

My point is there are jobs out there. But people are too lazy.
I see " help wanted " signs and ads all over the place.
We had an ad for two weeks to hire a sales guy , making between 35000-50000 a year.
We thought we would have at least 20-30 people applying , but no , only 3 people applied and around 10 people just came in to show that they've been looking for a job so they could get their unemployment or welfare check.
This is the mindset of a lot of people these days. Specially now , when you see people complaining on FB about " freeloaders" ,yet they seem to forget that they are one of them !

I never said there weren't jobs out there...

the data I posted clearly indicates that, unlike the job you are offering, most jobs are at a lower pay scales, which are still declining.. and there is very little new job creation resulting in "better jobs" at higher pay scales..

Your opinion is based on one job posting and surfing FB... and while entirely your right to have.. it's simply not going to be very accurate...

[Memorex]

My point is there are jobs out there. But people are too lazy.
I see " help wanted " signs and ads all over the place.
We had an ad for two weeks to hire a sales guy , making between 35000-50000 a year.
We thought we would have at least 20-30 people applying , but no , only 3 people applied and around 10 people just came in to show that they've been looking for a job so they could get their unemployment or welfare check.
This is the mindset of a lot of people these days. Specially now , when you see people complaining on FB about " freeloaders" ,yet they seem to forget that they are one of them !

Yeah, and to get their attention you cut them off. These people will not get a job as long as we give them money.

Here's a new secnario for B, Gin, Slu and Company.

1099


Secnario: You own a car lot and need 7 sales people. They work for you, sell cars all week and you give them a paycheck minus the tax with held and health cost, and they earn 500 a week and get a check for $333. Part of the health cost and half of the FICA are paid by the employer wich is an additional cost beyond the $500 of earnings. With Obamacare on the near horizon you have no choice in the matter now how to administer your health plans, and if you don't offer the plans you get taxed anyway because you have employees.

Sloution: Tomorrow Behsahd goes to work and the dealer says B, you are fired as an employee, but if you'd like you can come and sell my cars and I will pay you the $500 in full, you will be an independant car salesman, pay your own taxes and healthcare out of that $500 and you'll be your own boss. You'll get a 1099 at the end of the year.

I can see quite a few employers using this method to get out of owing anything on Obamacare taxes. Fuck, the fry cook at McD's can be an independent fry cook and McD's just gives him the whole check and McD's don't owe jack shit for healthcare or half FICA.

Brilliant!

McDonalds already got their first waiver. So they can work people all they want and still not provide health care. They and many others.

My HR lady already told us we'd be looking at everyone as a contractor for this very reason. It sucks cause I am still mandated to go get health care and I'll have to pay double the tax (mine and the portion for self employment). So less health care and less pay. But at least I'll be helping provide healthcare for those that choose not to work, and of course those who have no choice.

But you know, as we complain about this, I think many people feel this is a great plan. They believe I should no longer have the life I was promised as a kid if I worked hard. They want me and the non-working to be equal because let's be honest, everyone deserves health care and a paycheck, even if they don't work, even if they can't be bothered to try.

Again, there is not a SINGLE person here or anywhere that would put this kind of economic plan into place at home or at work. It simply cannot work. I try to give till it hurts, but only if I feel secure enough that I can pull back and take care of my family first. The country is losing that ability to pull back.

[Boomchild]

TOP SPOOK OUT: PETRAEUS RESIGNS OVER 'AFFAIR'

Was Slated to Testify on Benghazi Next Week...

Yep, a little suspicious, don't you think?

Nothing will become of how the Benghazi attack was handled. Even the major press has stopped talking about it for the most part. It will have no effect on Obama's re-election or his second term.

[Boomchild]

But don't act like the president or the folks in congress have worked very hard the last few years. They certainly have not earned the position or the money we pay them.

What is interesting is the make up of the House and Senate did not really change this election, nor the Presidency. Voters just keep electing the same people for the most part. It seems that a lot of voters fall for all the campaign promises and lies over and over and over. Maybe this country is getting what it deserves?

[steveo777]

TOP SPOOK OUT: PETRAEUS RESIGNS OVER 'AFFAIR'

Was Slated to Testify on Benghazi Next Week...

Yep, a little suspicious, don't you think?

Nothing will become of how the Benghazi attack was handled. Even the major press has stopped talking about it for the most part. It will have no effect on Obama's re-election or his second term.

The shit will hit the fan, just not now. It will have to wait until after Hillary has left her post, so her record is not tarnished, just in case she decides to run for President again. News was suppressed prior to the election, so as not to upset Obama's chances for relection.

He won 141% of the vote in St. Lucie county Fla. That means more people voted than registered voters.......somehow.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfiel ... y-florida/

[Boomchild]

10 people just came in to show that they've been looking for a job so they could get their unemployment or welfare check.

Soon you won't need to worried about being bothered by these people. Obama is removing the proof of looking for work requirement from these programs. Now that sounds like the right move for someone who says that he is focused on getting people back to work doesn't it?