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Rick wrote:
Interesting that you chose to exclude the rest of my comment.Rick wrote: The government can be dealt with without leaking information all over the planet.
slucero wrote:Rick wrote:
Interesting that you chose to exclude the rest of my comment.Rick wrote: The government can be dealt with without leaking information all over the planet.
I excluded it because recent events should make it fairly clear that the governments own actions - "spying on us in the name of protecting us", have made it obvious they can't be trusted.
That the NSA and the rest of the government has gone to great lengths to circumvent transparent oversight (secret courts, suspension of Habeas Corpus, indefinite civilian detention) should be obvious to you.. especially given the ever escalating nature of the revelations about what they "say" they are doing, only to have to revise their explanations when the truth is revealed to be far more damning.
The really ironic thing is that what Snowden "leaked" is exactly what whistleblower Russ Tice leaked....... in 2005...
Now we have this secret court (FISA) making fucking law.. ... hey that's Congress job.. I guess you're OK with that too..
Just how far does the knife have to go into your back before you start to worry that maybe the "knife int he back" thing might not be so good for you?
annie89509 wrote:steveo777 wrote:I can't believe how many people still support this administration, accept what they do, yet have the stones to attack Snowden, as they do. I guess people are going to just look the other way when our Muslim president declares sharia law and nullifies the constitution of the USA, right?
http://americanoverlook.com/obama-admit ... slim/10953
Egyptians can't stand Obama (neither can I)
Contradictory any … stvo? You and Slucy keep harping about separating what Snowden did with the relevations leaked. So how is it that those who voiced condemnation for Snowden means support for Obama?
Plenty of people think Obama is a weak and ineffective POTUS, but Snowden does not get a free pass for revealing classified secrets for all the world to adsorb, and certainly not for running to the “safe” havens of communist countries.
What’s more, you seem to have an axe to grind with Obama. We had a clue to NSA wiretapping and spying which started in the Bush Administration. The fact that Obama may be the worst president ever has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
annie89509 wrote:steveo777 wrote:I can't believe how many people still support this administration, accept what they do, yet have the stones to attack Snowden, as they do. I guess people are going to just look the other way when our Muslim president declares sharia law and nullifies the constitution of the USA, right?
http://americanoverlook.com/obama-admit ... slim/10953
Egyptians can't stand Obama (neither can I)
Contradictory any … stvo? You and Slucy keep harping about separating what Snowden did with the relevations leaked. So how is it that those who voiced condemnation for Snowden means support for Obama?
Plenty of people think Obama is a weak and ineffective POTUS, but Snowden does not get a free pass for revealing classified secrets for all the world to adsorb, and certainly not for running to the “safe” havens of communist countries.
What’s more, you seem to have an axe to grind with Obama. We had a clue to NSA wiretapping and spying which started in the Bush Administration. The fact that Obama may be the worst president ever has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Rick wrote:You excluded it because it dicked up your argument. Nothing should ever be leaked when it pertains to national security. Period. The government can absolutely be dealt with, without giving our adversaries damning knowledge. This **** Snowden and people like him need to choke on a chicken bone, today.
Rick wrote:You excluded it because it dicked up your argument. Nothing should ever be leaked when it pertains to national security. Period. The government can absolutely be dealt with, without giving our adversaries damning knowledge. This **** Snowden and people like him need to choke on a chicken bone, today.
steveo777 wrote:I guess I'm now one of those wing nuts that people talk about, but I've collected enough evidence to give me enough instinct that my gut tells me there is a rat in the woodshed......a big fat fucking cheese eating rat named Obama.
annie89509 wrote:What’s more, you seem to have an axe to grind with Obama. We had a clue to NSA wiretapping and spying which started in the Bush Administration. The fact that Obama may be the worst president ever has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Obama executive order requires federal government employees to learn to spy on co-workers, to prevent more WikiLeaks-type disclosures
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml
steveo777 wrote:Anyone out there who still believes Obama is a Christian? And we wouldn't elect a Mormon......... morons!!!
Bigotry goes both ways and it's definitely alive and kicking in America. Niggers, Kikes, Wops, Sand Niggers, Towel Heads, Dagos, Wet Backs, Haji's, Spiks, Howlies, Flips, Chinks, Japs, Krauts, Injuns, Crackers, Jews, Uncle Buck, Uncle Tom, Uncle Bill Cosby and we haven't even gotten to Archie Bunker.![]()
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Fuck PC! I always wanted to say it many Sam Adams says I can now do so, so I say it loud.
I'm gonna have a head ache in the morning and you guys are gonna hate me. I can deal with the head ache.
I have knee surgery at noon and if I die from the anesthesia, I want you to know I love you all.....even you, Everett!
steveo777 wrote:Anyone out there who still believes Obama is a Christian? And we wouldn't elect a Mormon......... morons!!!
Bigotry goes both ways and it's definitely alive and kicking in America. Niggers, Kikes, Wops, Sand Niggers, Towel Heads, Dagos, Wet Backs, Haji's, Spiks, Howlies, Flips, Chinks, Japs, Krauts, Injuns, Crackers, Jews, Uncle Buck, Uncle Tom, Uncle Bill Cosby and we haven't even gotten to Archie Bunker.![]()
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Fuck PC! I always wanted to say it many Sam Adams says I can now do so, so I say it loud.
I'm gonna have a head ache in the morning and you guys are gonna hate me. I can deal with the head ache.
I have knee surgery at noon and if I die from the anesthesia, I want you to know I love you all.....even you, Everett!
slucero wrote:.....more revelations that folks can bury their heads in the sand over...Obama executive order requires federal government employees to learn to spy on co-workers, to prevent more WikiLeaks-type disclosures
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ds-newsxml
Stasi Vs The NSA: Compare And Contrast
The German President, Joachim Gauck, concluded in a recent interview, that the NSA was not to be compared with the Stasi, because, [paraphrasing] "it is not like it was with the Stasi, where there exist big filing cabinets in which all our conversations are written down." No, indeed, nothing like that. As OpenDataCity notes, at the NSA, conversation contents are neither written down nor filed - but digitally recorded, saved and can be searched and found within seconds.
In contrast to the Stasi, the NSA can count on new technologies and can therefore collect information in gigantic quantities.
To get the picture, OpenDataCity compared the data volume in this little app: http://apps.opendatacity.de/stasi-vs-nsa/english.html
According to a report by the NPR, the data center of the NSA in Utah will be capable of saving 5 Zettabytes (5 billion Terabyte). Assuming that a filing cabinet with 60 files (30.000 pages of paper) uses up 0,4 m², which would correspond to 120 MB of data, the printed out Utah data center would use up 17 million square kilometers.
Thereby the NSA can capture 1 billion times more data than the Stasi!
steveo777 wrote:annie89509 wrote:steveo777 wrote:I can't believe how many people still support this administration, accept what they do, yet have the stones to attack Snowden, as they do. I guess people are going to just look the other way when our Muslim president declares sharia law and nullifies the constitution of the USA, right?
http://americanoverlook.com/obama-admit ... slim/10953
Egyptians can't stand Obama (neither can I)
Contradictory any … stvo? You and Slucy keep harping about separating what Snowden did with the relevations leaked. So how is it that those who voiced condemnation for Snowden means support for Obama?
Plenty of people think Obama is a weak and ineffective POTUS, but Snowden does not get a free pass for revealing classified secrets for all the world to adsorb, and certainly not for running to the “safe” havens of communist countries.
What’s more, you seem to have an axe to grind with Obama. We had a clue to NSA wiretapping and spying which started in the Bush Administration. The fact that Obama may be the worst president ever has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Yes I do. He's a fucking liar who switches religeons, dependent on whatever country he happens to be visitiing or pandering to. He lied about his faith, claiming to be a christian, when running for office, then suddenly, he's a Muslim, when "out there". Snowden gave us important information. All I'm saying is arrest this government, arrest this President, who is a fraud. Spare me this shit Annie. Why don't we go arrest all those felons who broke the law to illegally immigrate and receive benefits on our dime. Sick of the bullshit. You wanna hang snowden? I've got about 13 million others who's court dates should come first. You liberals need to just literally fuck off before you ruin every fiber of the USA. It will become war and you won't like it. Constitution first! I am an AMERICAN and I WILL DEFEND MY COUNTRY! DON'T TREAD ON ME!!!!
Boomchild wrote:annie89509 wrote:What’s more, you seem to have an axe to grind with Obama. We had a clue to NSA wiretapping and spying which started in the Bush Administration. The fact that Obama may be the worst president ever has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I beg to differ. Yes we had a clue during the past administration through the Patriot Act. Something that B.O. who was a Senator at the time spoke out against. Then when running for POTUS told America that he was going to get rid of what the Patriot Act was allowing the government to do. However, once in office he does a 180 and not only embraces it but broadens the scope of the spying through the use of a secret court to change the law. I think people either forget or didn't know that the surveillance during the past administration was limited and focused on communications that were between individuals in the US to individuals in outside countries. So in my opinion B.O. is an important factor in what is going on.
Memorex wrote:This makes me laugh, but it shouldn't. When you fight so hard for something you don't even understand, this is bound to happen. I hate saying this, but my first thought is, "Yeah, well, you kind of deserve it."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/07/15/labor-leaders-obamacare-will-shatter-their-health-benefits-cause-nightmare-scenarios/
slucero wrote:
Equally hilarious is that the President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters is James P. Hoffa, son of Jimmy Hoffa...
he better watch what he says.. or the Chicago gangsters will once again make another Hoffa "disappear"...
EXCLUSIVE: Feds admit improper scrutiny of candidate, donor tax records
Justice has declined to prosecute any of the cases
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... nor-tax-r/
A government watchdog has found for the first time that confidential tax records of several political candidates and campaign donors were improperly scrutinized by government officials, but the Justice Department has declined to prosecute any of the cases.
Its investigators also are probing two allegations that the Internal Revenue Service "targeted for audit candidates for public office," the Treasury's inspector general for tax administration, J. Russell George, has privately told Sen. Chuck Grassley.
In a written response to a request by Mr. Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee, Mr. George said a review turned up four cases since 2006 in which unidentified government officials took part in "unauthorized access or disclosure of tax records of political donors or candidates," including one case he described as "willful." In four additional cases, Mr. George said, allegations of improper access of IRS records were not substantiated by the evidence.
Mr. Grassley has asked Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to explain why the Justice Department chose not to prosecute any of the cases. The Iowa Republican told The Washington Times that the IRS "is required to act with neutrality and professionalism, not political bias."
The investigation did not name the government officials who obtained the IRS records improperly, nor did it reveal the identities or political parties of the people whose tax records were compromised. By law, taxpayer records at the IRS are supposed to be confidential.
The disclosures deal another blow to the IRS and the Obama administration, which are still grappling with revelations that IRS agents inappropriately targeted conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status for extraordinarily burdensome scrutiny during President Obama's first term. Amid that furor over the abuse of the agency's powers, the IRS has denied that the tax records of political candidates or donors were improperly accessed.
"The Justice Department should answer completely and not hide behind taxpayer confidentiality laws to avoid accountability for its decision not to prosecute a violation of taxpayer confidentiality laws," Mr. Grassley told The Times. "With the IRS on the hot seat over targeting certain political groups, it's particularly troubling to learn about 'willful unauthorized access' of tax records involving individuals who were candidates for office or political donors. The public needs to know whether the decision not to prosecute these violations was politically motivated and whether the individuals responsible were held accountable in any other way."
A spokesman for the Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment Monday. Mr. Grassley has given Mr. Holder until July 26 to answer his questions.
In a letter July 3, Mr. George told Mr. Grassley that, of the four instances in which tax records were improperly accessed, three cases were determined to be "inadvertent."
"In the fourth case, we presented evidence of a willful unauthorized access to the Department of Justice, but the case was declined for prosecution," Mr. George wrote.
Of the three cases that the inspector general called "inadvertent" disclosures, Mr. George said his office referred one to Justice with a recommendation that no prosecution be brought. He said Justice officials agreed with his office's assessment.
No reason was given for Justice's rejections of prosecutions in the examples cited by Mr. George. In a July 12 letter to Mr. Holder, Mr. Grassley asked whether the attorney general knew about the cases, who in the Justice Department decided against prosecution, and with which parties the "victims" in the cases were affiliated.
"Although this may not be indicative of wide spread targeting, any instance is cause for concern," Mr. Grassley wrote. "Even more alarming, in at least one instance TIGTA referred evidence of 'willful unauthorized access' to the United States Attorney's Office, but criminal prosecution was declined. Decisions such as these directly impact the political process and should be subject to the scrutiny of the American public."
The IRS did not respond to a request for comment on Mr. George's findings.
slucero wrote:.and the hits keep coming for this administration... and when the hell is Holder gonna get FIRED??
Boomchild wrote:slucero wrote:.and the hits keep coming for this administration... and when the hell is Holder gonna get FIRED??
I think as long as this administration is in power and our government stays as corrupt as it is Holder will be going nowhere. It seems witch hunts are now justifiable too (i.e. Zimmerman).
"If we were to tighten policy, the economy would tank."
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