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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:29 pm

Boomchild wrote:
Monker wrote:I posted the same things months ago when Bill Maher ranted on his show making this same argument.

the bottom line is people like jblake are paranoid and live in a delusion. Good luck reasoning with that.


I just do not see how people have not come to the conclusion that only way to permanently stop these radical Islamic groups is for the people on mass in the Middle East to stand up against them. So far they haven't. Sure there is a lot of "lip service" being tossed about against them. But not the right amount of action. Just look how Iraq's forces just folded early on. This was after all the time, training, resources and money was spent by our military and government. All wasted. Why? I think it's because they know all to well if they don't act and wait long enough we will come and do their dirty work. Wasting our money, resources and most importantly the lives of our military personnel. We need to draw a line and stop getting directly involved. Even if we were to provide aid and support it seems to me that we do not have the ability to determine if we are aligning with the right people or groups. Enough is enough we need to pull out and let them know it is their problem to deal with.


I have been saying that since shortly after the Iraq war started. Liberty and freedom is not something one country can 'give' to another. It is something the people of that country need to rise up and TAKE as their own. If the standard for invading a country and toppling the government is Iraq, then we should be sending troops all over the world.

This is also why staying out of Ukraine is smart. It is why not doing much for Libya was smart....and why sending 50,000 troops to defeat ISIS would be completely STUPID.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:43 am

Monker wrote:I have been saying that since shortly after the Iraq war started. Liberty and freedom is not something one country can 'give' to another. It is something the people of that country need to rise up and TAKE as their own. If the standard for invading a country and toppling the government is Iraq, then we should be sending troops all over the world.

This is also why staying out of Ukraine is smart. It is why not doing much for Libya was smart....and why sending 50,000 troops to defeat ISIS would be completely STUPID.


In my view it's not even about trying to give liberty and freedom. It's about if the majority of the Middle Eastern population is totally against these radical Islamic ideals and groups that promote them, then they need to show it by defeating it on their own.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Fri Feb 13, 2015 1:48 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:I disagree with you. I think Putin is capible of using a small nuke when he is backed into a wall, which he is. He's broke, and can't give up Ukraine without losing face. Russia may have another embarrising defeat around the corner. I do know a little bit about the Russian attitude and lifestyle. If Putin loses this "war", he has big problems. Russia, like many Countries, has little respect for Obama. They know they have two more yeears of basically a free hand.


Even though his back is to the wall, I doubt he wants to enter a war with the U.S. and it's allies. Regardless of whether or not he has little respect for B.O., he knows our military capabilities. The use of nukes of any kind would open up a can of worms that Putin could never deal with. He knows that.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:41 am

the talk of nukes is pure political posturing..

The U.S. can no longer sustain multiple wars on multiple fronts.. the downsizing of the military that occurred under Rumsfield, and the multiple tours of duty already engaged in by US ground forces ensures that.

The US engaging Putin is way too politically risky for Obama.. he'd have to deal with most of the EU on this.. to much economic drama there now, too many players..

Re-engaging in in the Middle East is a much easier politically, especially with an election cycle looming in the U.S.


No action takes place without battle groups moving to strategic positions.. so if one wants to understand future possible military actions by the US.. simply look where the battle groups are.

https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/us-na ... an-21-2015

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:28 am

slucero wrote:the talk of nukes is pure political posturing..

The U.S. can no longer sustain multiple wars on multiple fronts.. the downsizing of the military that occurred under Rumsfield, and the multiple tours of duty already engaged in by US ground forces ensures that.

The US engaging Putin is way too politically risky for Obama.. he'd have to deal with most of the EU on this.. to much economic drama there now, too many players..

Re-engaging in in the Middle East is a much easier politically, especially with an election cycle looming in the U.S.


No action takes place without battle groups moving to strategic positions.. so if one wants to understand future possible military actions by the US.. simply look where the battle groups are.

https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/us-na ... an-21-2015


I would have to research this to confirm, but from what I remember, the US military was downsized tremendously during the Clinton administration.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:40 pm

JBlake wrote:
slucero wrote:the talk of nukes is pure political posturing..

The U.S. can no longer sustain multiple wars on multiple fronts.. the downsizing of the military that occurred under Rumsfield, and the multiple tours of duty already engaged in by US ground forces ensures that.

The US engaging Putin is way too politically risky for Obama.. he'd have to deal with most of the EU on this.. to much economic drama there now, too many players..

Re-engaging in in the Middle East is a much easier politically, especially with an election cycle looming in the U.S.


No action takes place without battle groups moving to strategic positions.. so if one wants to understand future possible military actions by the US.. simply look where the battle groups are.

https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/us-na ... an-21-2015


I would have to research this to confirm, but from what I remember, the US military was downsized tremendously during the Clinton administration.



It happened during the Clinton admin too.. Rumsfeld continued it until 9/11 happened..

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:18 pm

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Monker wrote:I have been saying that since shortly after the Iraq war started. Liberty and freedom is not something one country can 'give' to another. It is something the people of that country need to rise up and TAKE as their own. If the standard for invading a country and toppling the government is Iraq, then we should be sending troops all over the world.

This is also why staying out of Ukraine is smart. It is why not doing much for Libya was smart....and why sending 50,000 troops to defeat ISIS would be completely STUPID.


In my view it's not even about trying to give liberty and freedom. It's about if the majority of the Middle Eastern population is totally against these radical Islamic ideals and groups that promote them, then they need to show it by defeating it on their own.


My statement was in the context of the new standard being Iraq. The last excuses for removing Saddam were that he was a ruthless dictator who gassed his own people. That is such a low standard that almost any country ruled by a dictator should be invaded and their government changed and their nation rebuilt.

In the context of today, and ISIS etc, I agree...it is the people of that region who need to fight and die to rid themselves of such extremists. Until groups like ISIS know they are hopelessly outnumbered by their own people, they will continue to have a certain amount of power. I love using "Bugs Life" for these examples. There is a great scene where Hopper tells his cronies they are outnumbered 10 to one and they can only do what they do because the ants DON'T KNOW THAT. Of course, when they do know, the grasshoppers lose their control. That is what needs to happen in the middle east in general.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:17 am

Monker wrote:In the context of today, and ISIS etc, I agree...it is the people of that region who need to fight and die to rid themselves of such extremists. Until groups like ISIS know they are hopelessly outnumbered by their own people, they will continue to have a certain amount of power. I love using "Bugs Life" for these examples. There is a great scene where Hopper tells his cronies they are outnumbered 10 to one and they can only do what they do because the ants DON'T KNOW THAT. Of course, when they do know, the grasshoppers lose their control. That is what needs to happen in the middle east in general.


While you and I don't agree on most things discussed here, I do agree with you on this subject.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:09 am

Fact Finder wrote:State Department Spokesperson Marie Harf told Chris Matthews that ISIS can be stopped if we just create jobs for them. :roll:


Give them jobs at Sizzler? Next thing Obo asso will make Americans do is hand over their possessions, homes, cars, wife's, daughters etc. so they stop killing.

And just remember, in Obo's eyes, there's lots of heads that will roll before his even comes close.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:48 am

Fact Finder wrote:State Department Spokesperson Marie Harf told Chris Matthews that ISIS can be stopped if we just create jobs for them. :roll:


This has to be a joke. Though, I could see Joe Biden making a statement like this.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Wed Feb 18, 2015 11:50 am

Fact Finder wrote:45 people burned to death by Islamic State militants in the Iraqi town of al-Baghdadi, local police chief says - @BBCNews
read more on http://www.bbc.com


Not to worry, the Iraqi army is on it's way. That is if they don't desert along the way there.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:16 am

Boomchild wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:State Department Spokesperson Marie Harf told Chris Matthews that ISIS can be stopped if we just create jobs for them. :roll:


This has to be a joke. Though, I could see Joe Biden making a statement like this.


Well no big surprise here. The Democrapers do the same thing to address issues in the US. They throw tax payer money and resources at the problem in hopes that it will go away. Look at how they do it in the US. They give jobs, government funding, etc. etc. etc. to shitheads in the ghetto and various areas in an attempt to keep them out of trouble. Does it work? Maybe in the very short term, but long term no and we read about it every day thugs with money causing crimes. Now this current ISIS issue is on the table. Same quick stupid Democraper fix-it-upper job.

Lets look at ISIS. What do they do for entertainment? What are their ambitions? What are their motivators? What are their objectives? What do they want to do for the communities they "occupy"? Good questions because if you know these things, you'll get a pretty damn good idea what they will do with the money they will get, either in government funding, preferential treatment/affirmative action, etc. and from these things come.....wait for it............POWER! That's it Democrapers, go ahead and give the terrorists jobs, money, power, etc. etc. cause we all know some of the things they will do is cage non-believers and burn them. And yes, homo's are on their radar for a good cage burning as well. Go ahead Democrapers, get to it.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:44 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:What Court Order? DHS Rushing Amnesty Contracts at “Full-Throttle Pace”
FEBRUARY 20, 2015
UPDATE: Hours after Judicial Watch posted this story, the government cancelled the Request For Proposal (RFP).


My question where is Congress on this situation? They should be addressing this in the courts. Challenging that the POTUS does not have the authority to change or circumvent immigration laws that have been passed by Congress. My question my be futile at this point since it seems our Federal Government seems useless.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:23 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Biden: 'The Middle Class Is Getting Killed'
3:17 PM, OCT 16, 2014 • BY DANIEL HALPER

Vice President Joe Biden talked about the trouble the middle class is having during the Barack Obama presidency at an event earlier today in Philadelphia:



"The middle class is getting killed," Biden said.

"In the last ten years, average salary of the middle class in America according to Standard & Poor's has gone up 14 cents."

Biden's event was "on the Importance of Investing in our Nation's Infrastructure," according to the White House.


Biden's so full of shit! Since when has this administration cared about the middle class? Sounds like he's starting to gear up for a 2016 run.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Tue Feb 24, 2015 3:47 am

Fact Finder wrote:https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10981862_648802265226560_7882321593136136660_n.jpg?oh=78e7ce82aad4b6f39ab268c3b363c29b&oe=5589F0AC


Funny thing is how much time and resources this current administration are using up to tell everyone about all of the inconsistencies with the execution footage sent out by the ISIS. Entire articles written up advising of the captors too tall, the foot prints not right for the sand, backdrop scenes, the list goes on and on and on. What everyone involved seems to be missing is the fact that the terrorists don't care about those inconsistencies. Their goal isn't to make the scenes look real. Their goals are to hide the true identities of the terrorists who are slaughtering people and the true locations of these acts. They've accomplished this. Without the identities of the terrorists, dates, times, locations where the executions took actually took place, these individuals responsible will never be convicted of the crimes that they have been committing. Because clearly, the individuals responsible were (according to what was in the video), 7+ feet tall and Habib is only 6'2" and wasn't even near that seashore at the time of the kills. Matter of fact, they can move about back to where they came from freely carefree, and probably set up same activities elsewhere. Imagine if all the Nazi's in WWII did this same thing. None of them would have been convicted of the war crimes.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:07 am

It's a good thing Bush......or any other Republican for that matter is not in office during this time of all the video's showing ISIS cutting off heads and burning people alive in cages. Just imagine how many bumper stickers would be out there saying "inside job" and claims that all these video's are fake just for an excuse for America to go to war over oil. Nope.....the democraper bumpers are ISIS propaganda/conspiracy theory free for right now.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:05 pm

I think I said it before...

All its gonna take is one American soldier getting fried in a cage... and republican/democrat rhetoric, and/or false flag conspiracy theories won't mean a thing

America will be all in....

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:23 am

Iran's Guard attacks mock US carrier in drills near strait

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's Revolutionary Guard launched large-scale naval and air defense drills near a strategic Gulf waterway on Wednesday in which dozens of speedboats swarmed a replica of a U.S. aircraft carrier.

The Guard's chief commander, Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari, said the drills send a "message of (Iran's) might" to "extraterritorial powers," a reference to the United States.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ira ... ar-BBhWgNj


Sure Iran wants to negotiate stopping their nuclear weapons program. This is the kind of country you want to align with to combat ISIS as well. To me this is just further proof why we should be staying out of the mess in the Middle East and only engage when and if there is a direct attack on the U.S..
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:49 am

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Iran's Guard attacks mock US carrier in drills near strait

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's Revolutionary Guard launched large-scale naval and air defense drills near a strategic Gulf waterway on Wednesday in which dozens of speedboats swarmed a replica of a U.S. aircraft carrier.

The Guard's chief commander, Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari, said the drills send a "message of (Iran's) might" to "extraterritorial powers," a reference to the United States.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ira ... ar-BBhWgNj


Sure Iran wants to negotiate stopping their nuclear weapons program. This is the kind of country you want to align with to combat ISIS as well. To me this is just further proof why we should be staying out of the mess in the Middle East and only engage when and if there is a direct attack on the U.S..


So tell us all how you're going to engage an incoming nuke?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Boomchild » Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:54 pm

JBlake wrote:So tell us all how you're going to engage an incoming nuke?


Do you mean an incoming nuclear missile from Iran to the U.S.? I doubt that their nuclear weapons program is going have that ability in the very near future. Correct me if i am wrong but we do have a anti-missile defense system. Our government's concern is for Iran to be able to launch a strike against Israel. The only way you would be able to really stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons is to invade them. In that case let Israel do it. Besides all this, we have yet to see proof of where they are in the process and what the exact level of a threat it is. They have yet to even launch test missiles like North Korea has done. In reality, there should be more concern about Russia launching nukes at the U.S..
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:31 am

Boomchild wrote:
JBlake wrote:So tell us all how you're going to engage an incoming nuke?


Do you mean an incoming nuclear missile from Iran to the U.S.? I doubt that their nuclear weapons program is going have that ability in the very near future. Correct me if i am wrong but we do have a anti-missile defense system. Our government's concern is for Iran to be able to launch a strike against Israel. The only way you would be able to really stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons is to invade them. In that case let Israel do it. Besides all this, we have yet to see proof of where they are in the process and what the exact level of a threat it is. They have yet to even launch test missiles like North Korea has done. In reality, there should be more concern about Russia launching nukes at the U.S..


The point is, you turn your back to the rest of what's going on in the world and it's going to play out and then be knocking (or breaking down) your front door, whether you like it or not. You must be pretty proud wearing John "mule face" Kerry's jersey.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby JBlake » Fri Feb 27, 2015 3:39 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:
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JBlake wrote:So tell us all how you're going to engage an incoming nuke?


Do you mean an incoming nuclear missile from Iran to the U.S.? I doubt that their nuclear weapons program is going have that ability in the very near future. Correct me if i am wrong but we do have a anti-missile defense system. Our government's concern is for Iran to be able to launch a strike against Israel. The only way you would be able to really stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons is to invade them. In that case let Israel do it. Besides all this, we have yet to see proof of where they are in the process and what the exact level of a threat it is. They have yet to even launch test missiles like North Korea has done. In reality, there should be more concern about Russia launching nukes at the U.S..


Boomchild, would you agree that Russia has a missle that could reach the US? Last time I left Kiev, the gate next to me was going to Terran. It is no problem walking on a flight to Iran from any Russian or Ukrainian airport. They get along just fine. I'm sure Putin could sell a missle or two to an old buddie. I had a friend in Nikolaev that worked for a company that made turbines for dams and sold some to Iran. It didn't set well with me. It's one of those little eye openers you get when you live outside America for a while. The question would be is Putin and Iran that stupid? I'm afraid I'd have to say yes to Iran, and maybe about Putin.


That's the problem with most Americans. They know no other life experiences other than the ones from within this country, which is a serious disability. And appointing them to office and/or allowing them to participate in the decision making process of this country is a serious problem. There was a time when most politicians had a background of military experience. That is very important because not only do they develop among other things, loyalty and devotion for America, they are also exposed to the goings on outside of America. With these traits and experiences, they can effectively determine what decisions to make that are in the best interests for this country's well-being.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby slucero » Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:20 pm

Putin isn't gonna irradiate the oil and gas rich, and mostly Russian, Eastern Ukraine.. not gonna happen.

The simple truth is that the U.S. was behind the overthrow of the democratically elected government there, to the tune of $5 Billion dollars... all at the behest of American oil companies...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY

..and it didn't turn out the way the US expected....


Because just as we wouldn't allow Kruschev to put missiles in Cuba.. we shouldn't be surprised that Putin won't let the West park them on his doorstep either....

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:16 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:I just reread my post Boomchild. I hope it didn't get taken as a slam. We're on the same side and I respect your opinion very much. I really am interested in your two cents. Russia has things called theatrical nukes. They can be fired from a tank, or hand held rocket launcher. I thought a couple of weeks ago Putin might have let one lose when he was being pressured. Turned out to be a very large ammo dump. I think if pressured, Putin might let one of these fly in Ukraine to make a point. Not much more then a dirty bomb, but makes a point. I wish I thought he wouldn't, but what does he have to fear from Obama at this point? While Obama is President, an invasion from Canada wouldn't shock me.



This is the same type of paranoid propaganda that led us to the Iraq war in the first place. Nothing but a bunch of what if's and could be's that have no basis in reality or common sense.

Iran has no ICBM's that can reach the US. For Iran to launch an ICBM, it will need to build a launch site or have other dedicated platforms for launch. Any such facility capable launching ICBM's can be detected EASILY by satellite...and easily destroyed.

Iran poses no nuclear launch threat to the US...to imply that it does is simply ignorant and silly.

Not even Putin will risk starting a war with the West by using nuclear weapons in Ukrain. You posted that stuff without even thinking or considering it was from a propaganda site that was just making shit up. Then you continue the game by posting more crap that wasn't true. You act as if you don't even understand that not every article written on the Internet is true.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:21 am

JBlake wrote:That's the problem with most Americans. They know no other life experiences other than the ones from within this country, which is a serious disability. And appointing them to office and/or allowing them to participate in the decision making process of this country is a serious problem. There was a time when most politicians had a background of military experience. That is very important because not only do they develop among other things, loyalty and devotion for America, they are also exposed to the goings on outside of America. With these traits and experiences, they can effectively determine what decisions to make that are in the best interests for this country's well-being.


It is also incredibly dangerous to surround yourself with nothing but a military mentality. Those with that mentality box themselves in to solving problems with ONLY military solutions. That is expensive, cost American lives, and in the end causes huge longer term issues like what we now have in Iraq - which is a direct result of the Iraq war.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:58 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Iran can easily strike a deal with Russia For a ICBM without a war head, and they can be launched from trucks. What I wrote was CLEARLY stated as what I thought, and was asking for opinion. I still think Putin is capible of a dirty bomb strike if pushed. You don't. Of course you've also stated in the past that Iran had nothing to do with Al-Quieda, which newly discovered papers seem to prove otherwise. Heard this on Fox this morning as I was walking out the door. Don't know anything about it yet.


Big deal. An ICBM without a warhead is essentially a rocket capable of launching something into orbit.

The "trucks" they launch from are not some type of unrecognizable 18 wheeler or pickup. They are designed for launching and, again, are easily detected from satellite.

Iran is not a nuclear threat to the US...not in any way. You are making things up from a paranoid mind.

I have not stated IRAN had nothing to do with Al Queda. I have said IRAQ had nothing to do with Al Queda until we made a mess of the country which allowed it to be infiltrated by terrorists. Iran is MUCH more likely to side with radical Muslim terror groups because they are essentially a theocracy run by radical Muslims....Iraq was run by a dictator who gassed Muslims to keep them in line and had a long standing feud with the radical Muslims running Iraq....he was no friend to Muslim terror groups, no matter how much the neo-cons in the W. administration wanted us to believe it.

HOWEVER, most of the time FOX is either lying for their own benefit (ratings), lying for conservatives or the Republican party, or spreading Republican propaganda. So, FOX "reporting" anything is less impressive to me than reading the National Enquirer reporting the exact same thing.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:03 am

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:From the Daily Telegraph

The [U.S.] Treasury Department on Thursday accused the Iranian authorities of aiding Al Qaeda [...] [U.S.] Treasury officials asserted that the Iranian government had entered into an agreement with operatives of the terrorist group and was allowing the country to be used as a transit point for funneling money and people from the Persian Gulf to Pakistan and Afghanistan. [...]

“By exposing Iran’s secret deal with Al Qaeda allowing it to funnel funds and operatives through its territory, we are illuminating yet another aspect of Iran’s unmatched support for terrorism,” said David S. Cohen, the [U.S.] Treasury under secretary for terrorism and financial intelligence.


Again, so what? This doesn't surprise me at all.

I challenge you to find ANY post I wrote on ANY forum on the Internet where I say or argue that Iran has nothing to do with Al Qaeda.
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby trekman » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:23 am

"Are we looking at the end of our way of life, as we know it"? A lot of you, ok a majority read a lot. Otherwise you wouldnt have the knowledge you do to write about what you do. So you tell me, is that statement true?

Radical Islam has all but taken over the Middle East. They have a huge presence in Europe and it grows stronger. And you can read many places on the web, in papers and on TV where Islamic influence Is increasing in the USA. Personally I believe they are working toward a world wide caliphate. The ultimate goal being a world controlled by Islam. I doubt I will see it in my lifetime. I hope it wont happen in my kids lifetime. And pray for my grand children that somehow someway it wont happen to them.

We have I think a majority of world leaders that are afraid to act on it or they turn away from it all saying its not a majority doing it, we dont need to worry. Even some wont call it what it is, making excuses for the terrible things Radical Islam does. If you wont call it what it is or refuse to recognize the evil it is then your lost already.

And yet the government(s) not all but some, attack those that stand against it. We turn our backs on allies and give lip service to and help further the radical's causing the problems. Aiding & abetting the enemy.

The western world we live in is changing, I dont think for the better.

And then there is the increased hatred for Christians & Jews all around the world. Fascism and the Nazi party continue to grow. The Middle East & Europe are no longer safe for them. There is great and powerful evil that is sweeping the world. Its pure evil the things that are being done around the world. And I believe that a large majority of the population really have no idea what is going on. It is being kept from them either because the press are afraid to talk about it or someone isnt allowing them to.

And the hatred & lies are spreading further by being taught to our children in schools and collage campus's. It just seems to all be so over whelming. So many in Academia, so many in Politics, so many on positions of power have turned away from what is good & right.

I just dont see a good future for America and the rest of the world. :( For me, unless there is a major turn around and I mean it would take a world wide change in direction, I think only God will be the answer. Am I crazy, or does anyone else see this coming in the future?
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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Rip Rokken » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:03 pm

Goddammit.... shut this fucking thread down immediately. Don't any of you have lives?

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Re: President Barack Obama - Term 2 Thread

Postby Monker » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:09 am

Rip Rokken wrote:Goddammit.... shut this fucking thread down immediately. Don't any of you have lives?

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Nope...most of the lives here have obviously been taken hostage by FOX, Glen Beck, and conservative talk radio.
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