Boomchild wrote:Monker wrote:I posted the same things months ago when Bill Maher ranted on his show making this same argument.
the bottom line is people like jblake are paranoid and live in a delusion. Good luck reasoning with that.
I just do not see how people have not come to the conclusion that only way to permanently stop these radical Islamic groups is for the people on mass in the Middle East to stand up against them. So far they haven't. Sure there is a lot of "lip service" being tossed about against them. But not the right amount of action. Just look how Iraq's forces just folded early on. This was after all the time, training, resources and money was spent by our military and government. All wasted. Why? I think it's because they know all to well if they don't act and wait long enough we will come and do their dirty work. Wasting our money, resources and most importantly the lives of our military personnel. We need to draw a line and stop getting directly involved. Even if we were to provide aid and support it seems to me that we do not have the ability to determine if we are aligning with the right people or groups. Enough is enough we need to pull out and let them know it is their problem to deal with.
I have been saying that since shortly after the Iraq war started. Liberty and freedom is not something one country can 'give' to another. It is something the people of that country need to rise up and TAKE as their own. If the standard for invading a country and toppling the government is Iraq, then we should be sending troops all over the world.
This is also why staying out of Ukraine is smart. It is why not doing much for Libya was smart....and why sending 50,000 troops to defeat ISIS would be completely STUPID.