Eclipse on Itunes Rock Albums Chart Overseas

[Rhiannon]

You're having a laugh. You guys invented I want it all and I want it now. Come over here, join a queue, and I'll show you what it means to be patient.

This American agrees with you on this.

[Argus]

wow, how do people find this stuff?

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/charts/top10rockalbums.html

[Saint John]

1. Sorry, now that you mention it, I do recall you saying something about the song/album thing *once*. Can you please show me the other *two*.

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[DrFU]

It's always frustrated that American music fans are so fickle while Europe and Japan (especially), are much more steady with their tastes.

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European fans know all the words, wear the original tour shirts from back in the day, stand up and shout, stay through the last note ... and drink the beer tents dry.

[steveo777]

It's always frustrated that American music fans are so fickle while Europe and Japan (especially), are much more steady with their tastes.

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European fans know all the words, wear the original tour shirts from back in the day, stand up and shout, stay through the last note ... and drink the beer tents dry.

And they stink!

[DrFU]

It's always frustrated that American music fans are so fickle while Europe and Japan (especially), are much more steady with their tastes.

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European fans know all the words, wear the original tour shirts from back in the day, stand up and shout, stay through the last note ... and drink the beer tents dry.

And they stink!

Three days in the mud and the heat with festival food and free-flowing beer ... I'm thinking none of us will be daisy fresh.

At least I opted for the Hilton instead of a tent!

[Monker]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

They did back in the early 90s (around the Lean Into It album) the US platinum sales rivaled Japan's. But then Grunge came in in the US pretty much wiping out most rock acts, but they continued to sell platinum in Japan ('96's Hey Man album selling multi-platinum). Unless you are Bon Jovi or U2, (or in the pop or rap genra) those kind of sales just aren't there in the US anymore.

I was talking more in the present, as with the success of Revelation and the steady sales of the Greatest Hits here in the States.

Don, do you think with Journey's 25-30,000 sold in the US, do they take the #8 or 9 spot on BB?

I'm optimistic about them getting to #7 as they have the weekend ahead of them still but their digital sales on Amazon have tanked so that's a bit of a problem.

The 25 to 30k is projected, meaning as of Thursday morning they had a verified 15k in sales at that time. If people go shopping over this long weekend, they could still do 35- 40k I think.
Still, a tremendous drop off and possibly a blow to their exclusivity agreement with Wal-Mart if the store overstocked in anticipation of REV type numbers.
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For the Wal-mart deal, it probably depends on how much they paid to sign Journey. If they gave Journey a huge deal expecting a platinum album, they lost money as Journey probably lost Wal-mart. If they gave them a deal expecting to sell 100,000 album, then they may still make some money and Journey may be OK. And, if Journey doesn't sell 100,000 by the end of the year, they'll be looking for another outlet....if they even release another CD through retail, which I would doubt.

[Glenn]

If Wal Mart wants their product to sell, then they need to promote it so they get a return on their investment.

If the deal is that it's up to Journey to do so, then they need to step up the the plate.

CDs are a dying art...And unless you're the hottest thing out there for the moment, you need to take steps so that the consumer will buy it.

It's not rocket science...Or is it?

[steveo777]

Doesn't Journey get their money upfront on the Walmart deal? If so, no sweat for the band. They've already been paid.
Walmart will take the loss. Perhaps it's shame on Walmart for not promoting the product. Who really knows?

[Don]

If Wal Mart wants their product to sell, then they need to promote it so they get a return on their investment.

If the deal is that it's up to Journey to do so, then they need to step up the the plate.

CDs are a dying art...And unless you're the hottest thing out there for the moment, you need to take steps so that the consumer will buy it.

It's not rocket science...Or is it?

Not telling anyone that Amazon was the only digital distributor for Eclipse wasn't Wal-Mart's fault.

Not putting a direct link to Amazon on Journey's official site wasn't Wal-Mart's fault.

See a trend here? That's right, I'm putting this totally on Nomota.

[Saint John]

See a trend here? That's right, I'm putting this totally on Nomota.

Hard to argue against your assertion.

[ebake02]

They need to stop this exclusive retailer crap, it limits availability. They would probably sell more if they made it available to more than one outlet.

[Deb]

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LOL, haven't you got something better to do.

[jrny84]

Anyone have any predictions on how well the album will do in the UK, Japan, Norway, Sweden..etc. What do you think it will chart in those countries?

[Don]

Anyone have any predictions on how well the album will do in the UK, Japan, Norway, Sweden..etc. What do you think it will chart in those countries?

Top 10 in Sweden I would think, maybe top 20 in a few others. In Japan and the UK, I would think they'll need at least 20k in sales to break the top 10. In the rest of the country's, 10k probably gets them in the top 5.
Really, in music the US market just dwarves everyone else, it's not even close.

[jrny84]

Anyone have any predictions on how well the album will do in the UK, Japan, Norway, Sweden..etc. What do you think it will chart in those countries?

Top 10 in Sweden I would think, maybe top 20 in a few others. In Japan and the UK, I would think they'll need at leat 20k in sales to break the top 10. In the rest of the country's, 10k probably gets them in the top 5.
Really, in music the US market just dwarves everyone else, it's not even close.

Im gonna say:
Sweden #12
Norway #62
Japan #52
UK #33
Switzerland #49
Germany #18

If I remember right revelation didnt even chart in Japan?

[Don]

Anyone have any predictions on how well the album will do in the UK, Japan, Norway, Sweden..etc. What do you think it will chart in those countries?

Top 10 in Sweden I would think, maybe top 20 in a few others. In Japan and the UK, I would think they'll need at leat 20k in sales to break the top 10. In the rest of the country's, 10k probably gets them in the top 5.
Really, in music the US market just dwarves everyone else, it's not even close.

Im gonna say:
Sweden #12
Norway #62
Japan #52
UK #30
Switzerland #49
Germany #18

If I remember right revelation didnt even chart in Japan?

Not in the top 100 if I remember right.

[Monker]

They need to stop this exclusive retailer crap, it limits availability. They would probably sell more if they made it available to more than one outlet.

Gee I said that with Revelation. That advice is about three years too late to make any difference at all.

[Archetype]

These are the markets they wanted to chart in. Europe and Asia allow for new music and that's what they want. I bet the lack of promotion $$$ here in the U.S. were spent over there. And if that's the case, it worked.

No sure if that is going to sit well with Wal-Mart. They do exclusives to get people in the store. A drop off of 60% in sales compared to Revelation because promo went overseas might really hurt the band's relationship with the retailer.

The UK and Japan are the biggest markets on that list with each probably accounting for 10-15k in sales. Add that with another 15k total for the little countries. Not a bad international debut at all but then again, groups like Mr Big and Night Ranger have been cherry picking this market for years. The difference being they never had the US sales to go with it.

They did back in the early 90s (around the Lean Into It album) the US platinum sales rivaled Japan's. But then Grunge came in in the US pretty much wiping out most rock acts, but they continued to sell platinum in Japan ('96's Hey Man album selling multi-platinum). Unless you are Bon Jovi or U2, (or in the pop or rap genra) those kind of sales just aren't there in the US anymore.

I was talking more in the present, as with the success of Revelation and the steady sales of the Greatest Hits here in the States.

Don, do you think with Journey's 25-30,000 sold in the US, do they take the #8 or 9 spot on BB?

I'm optimistic about them getting to #7 as they have the weekend ahead of them still but their digital sales on Amazon have tanked so that's a bit of a problem.

The 25 to 30k is projected, meaning as of Thursday morning they had a verified 15k in sales at that time. If people go shopping over this long weekend, they could still do 35- 40k I think.
Still, a tremendous drop off and possibly a blow to their exclusivity agreement with Wal-Mart if the store overstocked in anticipation of REV type numbers.
Monday will tell the tale.

Walmart has little to blame except themselves if Eclipse tanks. There has been ZERO in-store promotion of any kind. I remember when AC/DC's "Black Ice" came out, you couldn't walk more than ten feet in any direction in that store and see some sort of promotion for it. So fuck you Walmart and your nothing for Eclipse except for three slots in the new release rack.

[jrny84]

Here's an itunes rock chart update:
US-Didnt chart-Greatest Hits at #8
UK #6 Prev. position was #6
Germany #1 Prev. position was #4
Austria #7 Did not chart b4
Italy #9 Prev. was #7
Japan #6 Prev. position was #5
Netherlands #6 Did not chart b4
Norway-Dropped out of top 10 Prev. position was #5
Sweden #5 Prev. position was #4
Switzerland #8 Prev. position was #6

Note: Austria and Netherlands added to the list, while Eclipse dropped out of top 10 in Norway.