If Steve Perry returned

[Rockindeano]

Ahh, creative cut/paste tactics by a desperate bunch.. Pretty soon, they HAVE to stop don't they? They have either got to be tired of same crap, or running out of material..

Pathetic Heads/Loons?Tards.

[yak]

The master of screen names is back with another nic attempting to create yet more dissension? As for your inane "poll" I never want to see Perry go anywhere near Journey, because, you see, I want the Journey to Continue. Besides I think Neal has more brains than to let a snake slither into the ranks again.

Because the Bible is fiction. Helloooo.

SAD you think so -ERIC

I agree, VERY sad!

And the new guy actually shows up for work!

Like...so what? That is all you could come up with for Star Power?

Um....Noooooo, there's more....How about charisma, great voice, stage presence, and coming into his own?





"Journey flew to the top on the soaring voice of Steve Perry"
Behind The Music

Let me guess, PF...did Perry himself write that line?

[JourneyTroll]

Steve Perry wouldn't have to sing the songs like he did before for me to be happy!
Journeytroll

Well dude, fortunately, most of us aren't like you..

I disagree. Journey would be more successful with Steve Perry back in the band. Also, more current and former Journey fans would love to have Steve Perry back in Journey. Maybe the majority on this message board, but the overall majority of Journey fans.

Steve Perry was great for Journey, and he really made the band top notch during his wonderful time as their lead singer.

Journeytroll

[jrnyman28]

I AM one of those who has always thought that Neal was careful not to hire someone who might become a star on his own with the hope that HE might become the household name for a change. By God, he's confirmed it!!!

he must have been getting worried cause now everyone is singing.

He did no such thing. He confirmed that he wants his name out there...but he never said ANYTHING about hiring Steve to "not be a star". I am sure that the 'non-Agressive" nature of Steve helped him get the role...why would Neal and Jon want ANOTHER Perry!? But I do not think it had anything to do with 'I don't want a star to overshadow me anymore'.

[jrnyman28]

I disagree. Journey would be more successful with Steve Perry back in the band.

No, IMO they would have ONE more successful tour and then they would disappear. And that is NOT the definition of success.

Steve Perry was great for Journey, and he really made the band top notch during his wonderful time as their lead singer.

Journeytroll

Yes he did, but that time is over.

[JourneyTroll]

I disagree. Journey would be more successful with Steve Perry back in the band.

No, IMO they would have ONE more successful tour and then they would disappear. And that is NOT the definition of success.

Steve Perry was great for Journey, and he really made the band top notch during his wonderful time as their lead singer.

Journeytroll

Yes he did, but that time is over.

I agree Dave, and the current Journey fans are happy they are touring.

I wish I was able to see Journey with Steve Perry. Did you see them together?

Journeytroll[/quote]

[Soledad?]

I understand some of the mixed feelings here. I would love to see Perry return, and I do think he has retained some of his vocal power, but obviously not all of it. He's nearly 60, right? Therefore, his vocal chords will have decayed a bit. But I still think he could sing rings around Augeri. AND I have no doubt they would draw huge crowds and be worlds more successful commercially - although, as noted, radio has changed, so Journey will never be the cosmic success it once was. Few older bands are - it's just the nature of the business.

The mixed feelings for me come in because it's true that Neal likely wants nothing to do with Perry, given their history together. So, it just probably wouldn't be the same. Their musical rapport, however, can't be beat - just listen to how well Neal's lyrical licks complement Perry's soulful soaring style.

I haven't heard TBF in a while; I need to dig it out again, but I agree that it wasn't a masterpiece. The last Journey masterpiece was Frontiers, IMO.

Still, I think the songwriting rapport bewteen Jon and Perry would still be there - they would just have to mine a bit harder to get into it.

Augeri is just a second or third-rate Perry. They should have hired a singer with a different vocal style - it could have worked if they found the right person, but the current Journey is all about playing it safe. No risks for this band.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I still think he could sing rings around Augeri.

Well what you "think" and what "actually is" are too radically different things. Go download some LIVE "For the Love of Strange Medicine" bootlegs and then get back to us, ok?

AND I have no doubt they would draw huge crowds and be worlds more successful commercially

If Perry rejoined they'd have a hit single, I have no doubt about that.

The mixed feelings for me come in because it's true that Neal likely wants nothing to do with Perry, given their history together.

Neal and Jon are pragmatic. First and foremost, they want/need to EAT! Perry doesn't want to make a living anymore and the other guys want to(possibly "have to").
So they replaced him.
Whatever the true motives for the switch, the band's creator, Herbie Herbert, had been advocating replacing Perry as far back as the time of Frontiers. If the band's creator says Perrys needs to go, then I believe him.

Still, I think the songwriting rapport bewteen Jon and Perry would still be there - they would just have to mine a bit harder to get into it.

I have no doubt about that.

Augeri is just a second or third-rate Perry. They should have hired a singer with a different vocal style - it could have worked if they found the right person

Name him then. You've been asked repeatedly and still have come up with nothing. Michael Bolton was allegedly considered, can anyone imagine him possible covering Don't Stop Believing? I don't think so.

but the current Journey is all about playing it safe. No risks for this band.

How the hell would you know?
You haven't even heard their past two released.
Multiple vocalists was a risk. The less keyboard driven nature of Red 13 was a risk. The substance abuse themed Walking Away from The Edge ballad was also a risk. Replacing Perry in itself was a ballsy risk.

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[perryfaithful]

Neal and Jon are pragmatic. First and foremost, they want/need to EAT!
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Oh for cryin' out loud, that RATES right up there with Augeri shows up for work. LOL

[The_Noble_Cause]

Neal and Jon are pragmatic. First and foremost, they want/need to EAT!
.

Oh for cryin' out lud, that RATES right up there with Augeri shows up for work. LOL

Laugh away.
It doesn't change the fact that belonging to a rock band (although it may not seem like it) IS a real job. You don't show up, you get replaced.

Neal and Jon are real people, with bills to pay. Success isn't come by all that easily in the music business. Neal and Jon managed to do it twice with Journey and Bad English. That's pretty rare. Why must they start over for a third time? Tell me, why should the other members give up on something they helped build up?
Why should the other bandmates face prolonged privation due to ONE member's indolence?

Repeating "well at least the stone isn't cracked" as the repo men usurp your belongings, doesn't in any way redress one's current financial woes.

[Soledad?]

Michael Bolton singing Journey tunes would send everyone puking up and down the aisles. NO thank you.

The very thought of Michael Bolton makes me wretch in horror. Ew.

As for the risk factor: Replacing Perry with a Perry Twin was ballsy? Excuse me while I roll on the floor giggling. A ROCK BAND singing a song about drug abuse was a risk? Pardon me while I double over with laughter. Having multiple vocalists who purportedly SUCK was gutsy? Remind me to file that in my Silliest Things Ever Said folder.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Michael Bolton singing Journey tunes would send everyone puking up and down the aisles. NO thank you.

Then who do you recommend?
This is the fifth time now you've been asked directly. You keep demanding that u want someone other than a vocalist with similarities to Perry, but when pressed for an answer, you can't seem to give one.

As for the risk factor: Replacing Perry with a Perry Twin was ballsy? Excuse me while I roll on the floor giggling.

Out of all the reviewed candidates, I'd say yes, Augeri was the most brazen choice. A "safe" choice would have been the more Perry-ish Chalfant or Hugo.

A ROCK BAND singing a song about drug abuse was a risk? Pardon me while I double over with laughter.

For a largely innocuous rock/pop machine like Journey, yes, it was.

Having multiple vocalists who purportedly SUCK was gutsy? Remind me to file that in my Silliest Things Ever Said folder.

Whether they suck or not, it's still an ambitious creative risk and besides,
didn't you just say that you want a singer who sounds NOTHING like Perry?
Well now you have three; Jon, Neal and Ross and yet still you are not content!
Hi John Kerry. Can you say flip-flop?

[Rockindeano]

Oh for cryin' out loud, that RATES right up there with Augeri shows up for work. LOL

You keep laughing PF.. Hey, I am enjoying this band more than ever, and enjoy going to shows. Meanwhile "your guy" is home, retired. Havin much fun watchin your guy, lately?

You should really try a Journey show. They are pretty good. In fact they are really good. Your loss.

[OpeningAct]

Do I close this thread now? I can see it delivering a world of grief.

Or starting a holy war....

[OpeningAct]

The very thought of Michael Bolton makes me wretch in horror. Ew.

Well now you know how WE feel reading your posts...

[perryfaithful]

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You should really try a Journey show.

I have......

[The_Noble_Cause]

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You should really try a Journey show.

I have......

But I thought u said Perry could never be replaced, so why did you even go see a Journey show without Steve Perry?
Isn't just the act of buying tickets and attending akin to treason?

[perryfaithful]

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You should really try a Journey show.

I have......

But I thought u said Perry could never be replaced, so why did you even go see a Journey show without Steve Perry?
Isn't just the act of buying tickets and attending akin to treason?

I am a Journey Fan

[Red13JoePa]

Neal Schon has explained that someone who sounded like Perry was essential in choosing replacement. He correctly assessed that unlike, say Van Halen, which during the Dave era was so built around and driven by Edward's guitar that a different soundign singer worked, Journey's big calling card were as much perry's vox as Shcon's guitar. They felt the sound called for consistency rather than big change in the vocal department. It's not that hard to grasp, really. And thankfully because the inimitable one was so imitable, they had a plethora of good singers to pick from. They went with one of the least Perryesque, but still.

[jrnyman28]

As for the risk factor: Replacing Perry with a Perry Twin was ballsy? Excuse me while I roll on the floor giggling.

Out of all the reviewed candidates, I'd say yes, Augeri was the most brazen choice. A "safe" choice would have been the more Perry-ish Chalfant or Hugo.

Remeber that the band actually considered Geoff Tate for a short while. And they did consider going with someone that sounded different. In the end, they decided they wanted the songs performed the way they were written. And the mare fans seem to agree than don't.

A ROCK BAND singing a song about drug abuse was a risk? Pardon me while I double over with laughter.

For a largely innocuous rock/pop machine like Journey, yes, it was.

Very true. And I don't think Perry was comfortable on the edgier stuff (what little there was) on TBF. He would never have sung a song like WAFTE (IMO).

Having multiple vocalists who purportedly SUCK was gutsy? Remind me to file that in my Silliest Things Ever Said folder.

Whether they suck or not, it's still an ambitious creative risk and besides,
didn't you just say that you want a singer who sounds NOTHING like Perry?
Well now you have three; Jon, Neal and Ross and yet still you are not content!
Hi John Kerry. Can you say flip-flop?

EXACTLY. For a band that has had one voice throughtout there most successful years it is a HUGE risk to try another voice. And that is the biggest complaint among most, about Generations and more specifically Ross' "Gone Crazy". "It doesn't sound like Journey"...even though the music is undeniable!

[jrnyman28]

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You should really try a Journey show.

I have......

I really wish you would try another one. MAybe not this year's tour, but one of the GH Tours they do too often. You will see how Steve has grown. He truly sounds awesome. SO much better than when he first joined.

[Soledad?]

I am going to a Journey show in September, maybe.

I hope I can get a Generations CD so that I can be that much more informed about whether this band has what it takes. It will take a lot to impress me, though. I wish I could hear the album now, dammit.

[Soledad?]

Oh, and Noble Pause, you asked me who I would recommend as Journey singer.

I did state in another that I didn't have an recommendations - it's really up to Journey, not me, to choose their singer, don't you think?

But just to amuse you, I'll list off my possible replacements:

Kevin Cronin (I hate him, but he has the vocal power, I would think, to pull it off, and he's not a Perry Clone)
Geddy Lee (Sure, his high pitched wail is somewhat akin to Perry's, but not an exact replica, to be sure)
Dennis De Young (Pleasant vox)
That Foreigner dude
Some random black (or white) R&B singer. I don't really know here, but someone with his or her own style, but whose pipes are as powerful as Perry's.

I really have no clue. The above are not really serious candidates - I'm just throwing around ideas.

They could just pluck someone from obscurity, like Perry was picked. Listen to bunches of demo tapes, decide on who sounds coolest and freshest, bring him in, audition him, and so on. Audition tons of folks, but pinpoint the one who has both the power AND the differentiated vocal style, so that Journey doesn't sound so Perry-esque.

[The_Noble_Cause]

someone with his or her own style, but whose pipes are as powerful as Perry's

Anyone whose pipes can cover Journey's catalog will inevitably sound somewhat like Steve Perry. Be it Eric Martin, Kevin Chalfant, Steve Augeri or our very own Jeremy.

And as much as I like DeYoung (and to a lesser degree, Cronin) I simply cannot envisage them covering Journey material and making it sound good.

[Soledad?]

I can't either. I can only envison Steve Perry in that role.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I can't either. I can only envison Steve Perry in that role.

You have spent the good portion of ur day arguing in favor of someone other than Augeri to sing lead for this band, and now ur finally coming clean and admitting that u wouldn't accept ANYONE besides Perry (Augeri or otherwise)?
Thanks for wasting everyones' time, bud!

You have incessantly repeated on auto-pilot that you want someone who sounds nothing like Perry to sing for this band and now you are saying that Steve Perry and ONLY Steve Perry can sing for this band.
So just what exactly are you trying to say?

You're all over the map.
Go take a zoloft and call us in the morning.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I can't either. I can only envison Steve Perry in that role.

Now if only Steve Perry still envisioned himself in that role, you might just be validated in so vigorously petitioning for his return.

[Rockindeano]

I am going to a Journey show in September, maybe.

I hope I can get a Generations CD so that I can be that much more informed about whether this band has what it takes. It will take a lot to impress me, though. I wish I could hear the album now, dammit.

If you really want the cd, I will happily burn one and send you one. I am asking for you to be honest, that you will listen to it, and give us a review. I don't want to waste an hour and 7 bucks for nothing..however, if you are sincere, post a reply, and I will get you one out tomorrow, complete with the Deen extra track. If I can help recruit another Perry fan, I will do it.

[JohnH]

Oh, and Noble Pause, you asked me who I would recommend as Journey singer.

I did state in another that I didn't have an recommendations - it's really up to Journey, not me, to choose their singer, don't you think?

But just to amuse you, I'll list off my possible replacements:


That Foreigner dude
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I don't think you know that the Foreigner dude has enough trouble doing his own stuff right now, after his medical problem. He has good and bad nights...unfortunately the night I saw 5 years ago was not very good. Alot of it I read he said has to do with his extra weight.

John

[Rockindeano]

Oh, and Noble Pause, you asked me who I would recommend as Journey singer.

I did state in another that I didn't have an recommendations - it's really up to Journey, not me, to choose their singer, don't you think?

But just to amuse you, I'll list off my possible replacements:


That Foreigner dude
.

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I don't think you know that the Foreigner dude has enough trouble doing his own stuff right now, after his medical problem. He has good and bad nights...unfortunately the night I saw 5 years ago was not very good. Alot of it I read he said has to do with his extra weight.

John

You guys should hit the refresh button more often..

Soledad, again your lack of anything remotely resembling a thinking apparatus is showing again. What the Hell is that? That Foreigner dude..WTF? You mean Lou Gramm? Hideous. He looks like a pale, male Starr Jones. Obese, fat, can't sing for shit. Foreigner was on the billat Arrowfest where Journey closed 3 yrs ago...Foreigner flatout sucked..worst set I have ever seen...
Now there is a new Foreigner singer..Kelly Hanson I believe..He is the Steve Augeri of 2005-6...

By the way Soledad, Journey already picked a singer..I think his name is..if I'm not mistaken, uh, Steve Augeri.