Trouble Brewin' Concerning Dallas Show

[Red13JoePa]

Hi, Kay.
It's not the band's fault your industry sucks now. The payoff joke really falls flat in light of the revelations that it was label(s) paying the radio off to keep the songs/bands you always hear anymore on the radio instead of the still-going classic bands.
Journey, Styx, REO guys like that are the ones getting shut out because of those payoffs.

LMAO...ok Red. I'll take your radio and industry "inside information" with a grain of salt. Stick to what you know....uh, whatever that may be.

Er it wasn't inside information, Nitwit.
It was a sizeable news (for public consumption that is) item running in a publication called the NewYork Times awhile back. That edition, yellow with age and covered in dog piss as usual, should be arriving in SF in a nice stack about a week from now. It said the radio was taking payoffs to keep the cookie cutter flavor of the month bands on radio at he expense of other established artists. Artists like we all come here to talk about.

[Eric]

Whaddya expect? It was for a DVD and TV special - you GOTTA get the hotties up front!

[Red13JoePa]

Yep, nothing more than a little improving of the aesthetics.
I think teh plants happen a lot on concert dvds.
I've seen them in motley crue and stones dvds....aerosmith's you gotta move.

[ohsherrie]

Were all those screaming, crying and flashing young ladies that we saw in the ROR videos really just overwhelmed fans spontaneously reacting to their emotions? I doubt it. Maybe some, but not all. I think having plants in audiences for these kinds of things has been pretty standard practice ever since Sinatra in the '40s.

[amaron]

Hey, Red, how soon before you-know-who pops her head in this thread to stick her tongue out at us?

Maybe they can pay some radio announcers to get their music on the radio too.

You mean like how Sony has been for years?

[Red13JoePa]

See? Somebody else saw that which AKay mockingly referred to as "inside information."

[Eric]

Wow Ohsherrie....I was prepared to duck from you after I posted that!

[Angiekay]

Hey, Red, how soon before you-know-who pops her head in this thread to stick her tongue out at us?

Maybe they can pay some radio announcers to get their music on the radio too.

You mean like how Sony has been for years?

Um, was this thread about Sony paying to put people in the front row for a video? I must be confused...

In any case maybe Sony WANTS you to get their music on. They actually SEND it to you instead of radio stations having to ASK for it and get a "no". Yes sir, that's some great promotion work right there!

[amaron]

Hey, Red, how soon before you-know-who pops her head in this thread to stick her tongue out at us?

Maybe they can pay some radio announcers to get their music on the radio too.

You mean like how Sony has been for years?

Um, was this thread about Sony paying to put people in the front row for a video? I must be confused...

Um, was this thread about Journey paying radio stations?

Don't try to slap me down because YOU went off-topic first.

[ohsherrie]

Wow Ohsherrie....I was prepared to duck from you after I posted that!

The truth is just the truth.

[Angiekay]

Hey, Red, how soon before you-know-who pops her head in this thread to stick her tongue out at us?

Maybe they can pay some radio announcers to get their music on the radio too.

You mean like how Sony has been for years?

Um, was this thread about Sony paying to put people in the front row for a video? I must be confused...

Um, was this thread about Journey paying radio stations?

Don't try to slap me down because YOU went off-topic first.

Uh, no...the topic has to do with Journey PAYING people to promote their music, which is essentially what they are doing...paying pretty people to be in front at a concert to sell their new dvd. When they snub radio stations by not giving radio stations their cd to play ESPECIALLY when asked, that is what it is going to come down to I guess.

[ohsherrie]

When they snub radio stations by not giving radio stations their cd to play ESPECIALLY when asked, that is what it is going to come down to I guess.

Hi Angie. Nice to meet you. Are you saying this is what happened with your station? Was it because it was before the official release date? I'm really ignorant about these things. If this has already been discussed I'm sorry.

[NealIsGod]

Uh, no...the topic has to do with Journey PAYING people to promote their music

At least they are doing SOMETHING. We'll take what we can get!

[NealIsGod]

When they snub radio stations by not giving radio stations their cd to play ESPECIALLY when asked, that is what it is going to come down to I guess.

Angie, they didn't have a label when that happened with your station. Maybe they didn't want to have stations play it yet because: a) it is not in stores to purchase yet and they want to wait for statons to play it until it IS in stores; and b) they didn't want other labels to think they were already signed, which is probably what they would assume if Journey was getting airplay. Do you think these are possible reasons? I ask with sincere interest in your reply as a radio personality.

[Angiekay]

When they snub radio stations by not giving radio stations their cd to play ESPECIALLY when asked, that is what it is going to come down to I guess.

Angie, they didn't have a label when that happened with your station. Maybe they didn't want to have stations play it yet because: a) it is not in stores to purchase yet and they want to wait for statons to play it until it IS in stores; and b) they didn't want other labels to think they were already signed, which is probably what they would assume if Journey was getting airplay. Do you think these are possible reasons? I ask with sincere interest in your reply as a radio personality.

*raising eyebrow* I seriously question that, but here goes....

Then why were they giving it out at concerts from almost the beginning of this tour ? Anyone could have grabbed a copy or two and took it to their local stations to have the jocks play it(that DOES still happen, believe it or not). To my knowledge from what my program director told me he called our Journey contact and asked about getting some cds not only to play, but to give away with the tickets we gave away. In her reply email which he forwarded on to me, she told him that per their management she couldn't do that because they were handing them out at the shows. Again, I could have gone to a show in May and started playing it. Maybe there was something in the dealings with a label that prevented them from doing that. In that case, I would hope they could give us some kind of answer besides, "no, we're handing them out at the shows". That leaves us scratching our heads.

The bottom line is I just don't understand when you are out touring and trying to promote a new album why wouldn't you want to have as much exposure as possible? Good for ticket sales and possible future album sales.

I hope that answers your question...you too ohsherrie.

[Andrew]

Interesting conversation...

But from personal first hand experience, it is impossible to get any new artists I feature here on Radio as the playlists are predetermined and essentially closed out to independant players.

I've tried and have many DJ friends that read the site...none can offer any solution how to play this music on their stations.

[Angiekay]

Interesting conversation...

But from personal first hand experience, it is impossible to get any new artists I feature here on Radio as the playlists are predetermined and essentially closed out to independant players.

I've tried and have many DJ friends that read the site...none can offer any solution how to play this music on their stations.

Yeah, new and local artists are a whole nother ball of wax. There is a band here in town called Kory and The Fireflies. They have been busting ass in the Sioux Falls and surrounding area for as long as I've been in radio in this town which is 15 years. In fact, a high school classmate of mine played with them for a bit. They have opened for bands around here like Pat Benatar, Kansas and Styx. About five or six years ago they FINALLY "made it" of sorts, getting their videos on MTV2 and two years ago opening for Bon Jovi in Las Vegas...yet you rarely hear them on the radio. When I was working for a different station years ago, we played a few of their songs. I notice that Kory comes to our station every couple weeks. I think the program director for our Top 40 is playing some of their stuff, but they have been the lucky and persistant ones. My program director takes in new stuff from blues artists to play on his "Blues Fix At Six" show. He's is always listening to cd's from unknowns.

My advice to you is to start small. Find a local college station and try there. My college station used to play all sorts of funky new stuff that no one else would. They are generally non profit and a little less under the strings of a format. Usually jocks have full reign of whatever they want to play including new and different stuff. If it makes a rucus, or if they play in the area the other commercial stations might pick up on it.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Angie says:

My advice to you is to start small. Find a local college station and try there. My college station used to play all sorts of funky new stuff that no one else would. They are generally non profit and a little less under the strings of a format. Usually jocks have full reign of whatever they want to play including new and different stuff. If it makes a rucus, or if they play in the area the other commercial stations might pick up on it.

Or find a local access cable station that features local bands

Warning - Shameless Plug: Actually I produce and host a local access cable show called "Rockin' The Cable Show". I started promoting bands in the Midwest, they come to the studio we interview the artist/band for about 25 minutes and then they perform the rest of the hour their songs. It's been going great, so great that I was able to interview Dennis (DeYoung) and my next show we're (Froy & I) featuring Roger Hodgson. The show was just picked up on Time Warner Cable (On-Demand).

I believe in promoting local bands and any musician/s anyway that I can and hopefully get their music out there to more and more people.

So, if you have a band and would like to come to the Milwaukee area for a taping, just let me know - it's free publicity

[Jonny B]

Funny you would mention the radio show stuff. My bro and I tried to get a radio station at our college, but it failed because nobody wanted to send us music. We called all the melodic rock labels. Frontiers, Escape, Z, MTM, even a few smaller labels, and none of them would send us anything! We couldn't even get indie artists to send us stuff. I have reason to think that they believed it was a scam to try to get free music. This was about 5 years ago BTW.

We were actually trying to get the names out, but the labels & and the artists showed zero interest in getting their names out. There's two sides to every story.

[Taliwakker]

To get an independent band to get radio play on commercial radio in Australia it requires a payment of around $30,000AUS and even then you are not guaranteed to get it played.....ouch!

[Angiekay]

Warning - Shameless Plug: Actually I produce and host a local access cable show called "Rockin' The Cable Show". I started promoting bands in the Midwest, they come to the studio we interview the artist/band for about 25 minutes and then they perform the rest of the hour their songs. It's been going great, so great that I was able to interview Dennis (DeYoung) and my next show we're (Froy & I) featuring Roger Hodgson. The show was just picked up on Time Warner Cable (On-Demand).

I believe in promoting local bands and any musician/s anyway that I can and hopefully get their music out there to more and more people.

So, if you have a band and would like to come to the Milwaukee area for a taping, just let me know - it's free publicity

Hey, that is very cool! If Kory is ever in that vicinity, I"ll have him give you a holler. The other thing I forgot to mention is that some radio stations have a special time allotment for new and local bands. One of our competitors has Loud and Local on Sunday nights. I think it is only an hour, but they feature bands in the area, new releases and cd they may have put out and they are also a presence at the local music scene. If your town doesn't have one, put a bug in their ear...they might have never thought of something like that.

[ohsherrie]

I hope that answers your question...you too ohsherrie.

Thanks Angie. I can't say I understand it all, but I know more than I did.

[Red13JoePa]

For AngieKay, I both disagree and agree.
The Generations given out at the shows was not even a promo copy. it was stripped down and for the fans only. Really more of a working version with no real backing I guess but the band itself. It wasl like self-produced and distributed. So given all that they probably weren't comfortable with it being on the radio.

Now the agreement: I think you understand all of the above but still wanted to play it. Management's vague aloof reply to you is inexplicably baffling. And dumb. So it wasn't the official final version. And yes, now we know TPIYH has been remixed for radio.
But if a station was willing to take that album as was and play anything off of it on the radio HOW CAN THEY SAY NO? In this day and age when it's so hard to get on radio. I wonder if the band knows their reps did this in SF. YEs, we the diehards will discern the difference between the mixes but really how much worse could it have sounded to the average listener if Kay spun the giveaway version on air?

That is the last time I will ever agree with you, though, AKay.

[NealIsGod]

Now the agreement: I think you understand all of the above but still wanted to play it. Management's vague aloof reply to you is inexplicably baffling. And dumb. So it wasn't the official final version. And yes, now we know TPIYH has been remixed for radio.
But if a station was willing to take that album as was and play anything off of it on the radio HOW CAN THEY SAY NO? In this day and age when it's so hard to get on radio. I wonder if the band knows their reps did this in SF. YEs, we the diehards will discern the difference between the mixes but really how much worse could it have sounded to the average listener if Kay spun the giveaway version on air?

Wow, harmony between Red and AKay. What's next, cats and dogs sleeping together?

[Red13JoePa]

I know I had to go shower up after posting.

It's wrong. It just feels wrong.

[Angiekay]

I know I had to go shower up after posting.

It's wrong. It just feels wrong.

You love me and can't get enough of me and you know it.

[yak]

Whaddya expect? It was for a DVD and TV special - you GOTTA get the hotties up front!

Exactly. Besides, I'll be checking out the DVD for the music, first, the hotties are extra, and are a known commodity with other bands on the other videos mentioned. If the band wasn't good, who'd be interested in the DVD in the first place?

[perryfaithful]

If the music carries it, then why the need for these "hotties?" More so, why are the real fans, the devoted, those who ARE THERE for the music getting jacked for these extras?

[OpeningAct]

If the music carries it, then why the need for these "hotties?" More so, why are the real fans, the devoted, those who ARE THERE for the music getting jacked for these extras?

I'd actually rather see fans I may actually recognize, myself. I didn't know bands put babes up front during these DVDs. I thought it was just in the videos they made...it's just too contrived for me.

[PROPERRY]

If the music carries it, then why the need for these "hotties?" More so, why are the real fans, the devoted, those who ARE THERE for the music getting jacked for these extras?

I'd actually rather see fans I may actually recognize, myself. I didn't know bands put babes up front during these DVDs. I thought it was just in the videos they made...it's just too contrived for me.

I can understand using hotties in music video's, but I feel at concerts for the DVD that should be totally unnecessary.

After all, the FANS ARE THERE to support the music, put THEM on the DVD. I'm sure the fans that PAY to attend Journey's concerts would absolutely love being a part of the DVD!!! That's my opinion anyway.

Lori