Radio Revolution!

by **sadie65** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:05 am

Haven't all entertainment mediums evolved? I am no expert, but I do think radio is definitely pulling away from what many of us grew up and are more comfortable with. Is that good or bad? Don't know. I know I, like many others here, miss what it was, but is that just clinging to a comfortable past? Are we getting more set in our ways as we get older?

I would suspect that given the overwhelming number of options open to us for entertainment, that a throw back to what Journeyman suggests would not get enough of the targetted demographic.

Just my unsolicited .02

Peace

by **Angiekay** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:21 am

jrnyman28 wrote:That is just semantics.
The radio we grew up with does not exist today. Yes it evolved out, but it does not exist anymore. Therefore, the radio we grew up with is dead.

The tv shows we grew up on don't exist as they did, there was no lame reality tv...people actually wrote GREAT shows. Songwriters are a thing of past...everything is manufactured today. the schools we went to don't exist as they did. Same with movies, magazines, food places, malls etc. EVERYTHING CHANGES...good or bad. Saying it's "dead" is just a lame way to say you just don't like what's going on.

jrnyman28 wrote:I am more interested in your thoughts on my other suggestions...

Apparently you didn't read my post in Van Halen's MUST READ. Its all pretty much there.

by **Angiekay** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:26 am

sadie65 wrote:Haven't all entertainment mediums evolved? I am no expert, but I do think radio is definitely pulling away from what many of us grew up and are more comfortable with. Is that good or bad? Don't know. I know I, like many others here, miss what it was, but is that just clinging to a comfortable past? Are we getting more set in our ways as we get older?

I would suspect that given the overwhelming number of options open to us for entertainment, that a throw back to what Journeyman suggests would not get enough of the targetted demographic.

Just my unsolicited .02

Peace

Your .02 cents pretty much wraps it up in a nutshell, Sadie.

by **jrnyman28** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:58 am

angiekay wrote:I'll be the first to agree that radio sucks these days. Same music, same promotions, little creative freedom being given to jocks. When I first started in radio we could play anything we wanted, at least at the station I worked at and I'll admit we were a little behind the times. It was 1989 and we were still playing a lot of vinyl mixed in with cds. The problem with radio started in the mid 90's when some legislators, in particular Larry Pressler from this very state I live in, proposed a communication act that would allow companies to own more radio and tv stations per market. It gave the government less hand in communication regulations, but made way for a corporate nightmare. Radio used to be a service, it used to be entertainment. Now it's becoming a greedy money hungry machine. The order of importance went from you the listener, then jocks, clients and staff to the client period. Jocks and listeners are at the bottom of that heap. They wanted to make money, so they played what (they thought)would get the listeners to listen. Now that's backfired on them because they are it's such a narrow genre now, they keep going with the same format.

Do any of you know why you keep hearing the same songs on the radio? YOU choose them. I'm serious. Apparently when owners started buying all these stations, keeping track of what format you wanted for each station became overwhelming. Thus, the invention of the all knowing consultant. That's how consultants and radio stations pick their songs. Markets do test marketing and surveys to see what people want to listen to. I have no idea how they pick the surveyees. Some they have come in and fill out diaries. Some they call on the phone. What amazes me, is they are CONSTANTLY doing these surveys and the results never change!!

What I do know that it is up to the listener to take their radio back. Clear Channel is getting the message in some markets, esp the small markets. There is almost no Clear Channel in South Dakota. The stations that were here tried their voice tracking and bs and left within a couple years. People in this part of the world want local. My suggestion to the people here, your family friends, etc. start writing to your station MANAGERS(pds and jocks have their hands tied most of the time), to Clear Channel to Cumulus... hell, write to the businesses you hear on the air. As sad as it is, they have the strongest voice. If a client comes to my manager and says, "You know my clients used to listen to your stations, but they are sick of the same music and same whatever...what can you do?" you can damn well bet those managers are going to listen. All they have is dollar signs in their eyes and they will do anything to avoid losing money from a client who is losing money by their ads not being heard.

If you really want radio back, boasting about listening to the internet and satellite's are certainly not going to help your cause. Before you know it, that is going to be your only choice if you don't support it, then what happens to new music? How much new music do you hear on the satellite? Sadly the music industry is in the same boat. They are manufactured groups, nobody is a singer/songwriter anymore. It all sounds the same. It's all cookie cutter. They are no great stand out bands and artists anymore.

As far as radio is concerned, it certainly is a changing medium and where it is going is anyone guess. I can't see radio disappearing forever, but we definitely need the listener support behind it.

Radio Ga-Ga.

OKAY, I bolded the points I want to respond to.

1. How it used to be was good. And it is not like that anymore. I do not call your opinions lame. You don't like that I call it "dead" fine...whatever! Does it really make you feel better that I say "it has ceased to exist"?

2. You said it, radio used to be entertainment. That is why I think we need to get back to 'entertaining'. We need DJs with personality and knowledge (or atleast opinons). And we need to be entertained by the music as well. Giving them some room to breathe would create this environment IMO.

3. Marketing consultants...I have been on those marketing boards. I was a part of the emailing questionaires asking me what I would prefer to listen to. Guess what? It's multiple choice. They give you a specific choices and most of them were already songs I heard on radio. And when they were not, I didn't know the song at all...so how could I choose? But I did. I tried to always choose the stuff I was "less familiar" with. The problem is that marketing/consultation is still defining the parameters and working within the established "format".

4. I have also suggested contacting advertiser's. I like the idea of contacting the station managers. That feels more "connected". But first there would have to be a large, public "campaign" to organize this effort. Individual station managers are not going to be able to do much...but, like you suggested, going up the ladder into CC and Cumulus might. I am all for it, but it will take education, information and organization to even try. Most people out there just accept the way radio is, or the tune out. And there is always enough of an audience to keep radio going.

5. As I said earlier, broadcast radio is not going anywhere. And I was actually coming up with ideas on how broadcast radio can "compete" with iPods and internet. It is not JUST my personal preference, it is a hope to help radio survive and thrive. You are correct, audience support is necessary. Problem is that radio takes no "attention" to enjoy. The listeners are not really "thinking about it", they just listen.

I was raised on radio just like the others here have said. It was the most important thing in my life growing up. Radio is how my musical memories were made. Of course my views have changed because I have gotten older, I have a family, I have the income and the information to buy the things I WANT to hear. But I still love what radio WAS to me. I do not see radio making that same kind of connection on it's listeners anymore...

by **Angiekay** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:53 am

jrnyman28 wrote:1. How it used to be was good. And it is not like that anymore. I do not call your opinions lame. You don't like that I call it "dead" fine...whatever! Does it really make you feel better that I say "it has ceased to exist"?

Because radio DOESN'T "cease to exist". It's still there, you just don't like it...big difference.

jrnyman28 wrote:2. You said it, radio used to be entertainment. That is why I think we need to get back to 'entertaining'. We need DJs with personality and knowledge (or atleast opinons). And we need to be entertained by the music as well. Giving them some room to breathe would create this environment IMO.

I have plenty of personality AND knowledge if I do say so myself, thanks. Every break I have I talk not only of our promos, but extensively of the bands I play, old news AND new news, trivia, blocks of bands, etc. Maybe you just listen to a really crappy station..or could it be us lowlife losers out here in the barren plains of South Dakota actually have the talent and know how of how to run fairly entertaining, cookie cutter-less radio?!?? Hmmmmm....

by **jrnyman28** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:10 am

Angiekay wrote:

Because radio DOESN'T "cease to exist". It's still there, you just don't like it...big difference.

I didn't say "radio", I said the radio we grew up with. Again...semantics. "ToMAYto vs ToMAHto"

Angiekay wrote:

I have plenty of personality AND knowledge if I do say so myself, thanks. Every break I have I talk not only of our promos, but extensively of the bands I play, old news AND new news, trivia, blocks of bands, etc. Maybe you just listen to a really crappy station..or could it be us lowlife losers out here in the barren plains of South Dakota actually have the talent and know how of how to run fairly entertaining, cookie cutter-less radio?!?? Hmmmmm....

That is great that you are ONE of the ones. We have SOME here as well. But as for listening to crappy radio stations...you hit the nail on the head. That is ALL WE HAVE!! That is the ENTIRE POINT to my post! I am sorry I did not put "MOST" anywhere in my post. But on the LARGE SCALE, what I described is not how radio IS...but apparantly it is how YOU are. Great...then we need more of YOU!

by **Monker** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:36 am

Maybe you just listen to a really crappy station..or could it be us lowlife losers out here in the barren plains of South Dakota actually have the talent and know how of how to run fairly entertaining, cookie cutter-less radio?!?? Hmmmmm....

I think it's probably a combination of both.

Internet radio is OK...but I don't have internet in the car. It's nice once in a while to tune in while browsing...and I know something like JIFR will most likely be playing something I like. However, if you are on dialup - forget it.

I won't make a monthly payment for satelite radio...that just seems ridiculous. Besides, I get like 70 stations on DishNetwork (including a bunch of Sirius) and I hardly ever listen to them. They just seem so generic.

I have no problem with our local classic rock station. A couple days ago I heard "The Party's Over'. I heard "Higher Place" often when it was released. I haven't heard any Generations, but when I think of the way it was released, I don't expect to. And, I hear plenty of Styx too - old and new.

Also, I think people forget that those listener surveys really became popular in the 80s]. So, back then, Journey and other AOR bands were the most popular and the surveys pointed that fact out - and they were played. Now that AOR is no where near as popular, and rap and generic teen music IS popular, the surveys point that out - and that is what is played on pop stations. It's really that simple.

Finaly, I think people forget that in the 80's were treated to the Debbie Gibson, Tiffany, and pop junk like "Wham!","Flock of Seagulls", "Spandau Ballet", etc. Pop radio wasn't all roses...Journey, Styx, Foreigner, Boston, VH, and others just got airplay on those stations because their music was also pop-ular.

In 20yrs, our kids will be making this same argument - for the same reasons...There favorite styles of music will not be getting the airplay THEY want.

by **Greg** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:51 am

Monker,

I think alot depends on the location you live in. No radio stations in my region ever played Higher Place, but I was told one Adult Cont. station played All The Way...however i never heard it with my own ears so I dunno. The only classic bands that any radio stations will play new stuff from are Tesla, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, and that's about it. I think the last time a Classic Rock station played something new from the likes of Boston was in 94, when they released Walk On.....and an Adult Cont. station played 'On My Way' from Styx when it was first released. Other than that....I've heard absolutely zero. No 'I Am The Walrus' from Styx, nothing from Journey, etc....I haven't even heard the new Bon Jovi single played on local stations.

I always measure classic band's promotion power by how many times I hear their new stuff on my local and regional radio stations. If I hear them played more than once, they're doing really really good!

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:10 am

I hate to break it to you, but this little multimillion dollar set of radio stations in SOUTH DAKOTA makes more then your little train set does in a month. $500,000 a MONTH on one station alone.

What? My little trainset? Are you retarded, or just ignorant? We LOSE millions a year...so what? Airlines, lose millions a year..I guess you like comparing microphones with flanged wheels....

Opening act hit it right on the head with this: Could you be any more insecure...

LOL..OA couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. You two aligning? Go for it..too funny... I see Mondale/Ferraro all over again.

I'm sure you were a "loser in radio" as you noted above..that's why you run a train now.
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I was trying to type(I obviouslt can't), that I was an intern for a year...no biggie.

Funny..Want to compare paychecks? By the way,I am in NO way bragging..you brought it up..Now let's see if you can respond, unlike all your posts when it was you vs Red13 and NIG...That was a pasting if I ever saw one.

PS- South Dakota is one of 3 states we don't go to..I wonder why?

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:44 pm

Hey there, Angie, cat got your tongue?

by **Angiekay** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:24 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:Hey there, Angie, cat got your tongue?

No, idiot has lost my interest and attention.

by **Angiekay** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:29 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:

Funny..Want to compare paychecks? By the way,I am in NO way bragging..you brought it up

I will however respond to this. Who in the hell cares what you make? Who cares what I make? Is this what this conversation is about to you...money? No wonder you don't give a shit about radio. I bet you hate your job too but hey you make lots of money so it's all good! That's really sad, Deano. I make enough money to make me completely happy and my job makes me that way too. Sorry you have to compensate. I bet you drive a big truck too....

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:36 pm

I will however respond to this. Who in the hell cares what you make? Who cares what I make? Is this what this conversation is about to you...money? No wonder you don't give a shit about radio. I bet you hate your job too but hey you make lots of money so it's all good! That's really sad, Deano. I make enough money to make me completely happy and my job makes me that way too. Sorry you have to compensate. I bet you drive a big truck too....
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You are the one who belittled MY job. This coming from a person who is a DJ in South Dakota! This is too funny. I never brag about a paycheck, and why should I? Big deal. I LOVE my job, even though it taxes my mind, unlike throwing on "Foolin' Yourself" for the 400th time, and refusing to play Generations because your states' citizens behave like wild boars.
I never wanted to pick a fight with you, but you escalated it. Tell you what, next time you are out and about, drive in front of my "little train set" and see just how little it is.

What makes you think you have ANY crediblility here? I respect the fact you work in radio, but come on Angie. You say your little station in ..SOUTH DAKOTA, with all 3 elctoral college votes, makes 500,000 dollars a month? And OJ is my uncle. I am calling you a liar right now.

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:43 pm

Angiekay wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:Hey there, Angie, cat got your tongue?

No, idiot has lost my interest and attention.

Actually, you don't have the intelligence nor facts to reply. You make yourself look worse with every post. I am sorry I recruited you from BT.

by **SuiteMadameBlue** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:46 pm

Hey, my Dad's retired from the railroad!!! It was a great job for him and it was no little "train set" that he worked on. He was very happy working on the railroad. Just thought I'd add that

by **OpeningAct** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:09 pm

LOL..OA couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. You two aligning? Go for it..too funny... I see Mondale/Ferraro all over again.

Hey Deano, still waiting for the cd you said you burned and sent to me...Christ, thank God I wasn't holding my breath....again, you are an angry little man..... :roll:

by **jrnyman28** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:24 am

Angiekay wrote:

No, idiot has lost my interest and attention.

Was THIS the comment that I lost you with?

jrnyman28 wrote:That is great that you are ONE of the ones. We have SOME here as well. But as for listening to crappy radio stations...you hit the nail on the head. That is ALL WE HAVE!! That is the ENTIRE POINT to my post! I am sorry I did not put "MOST" anywhere in my post. But on the LARGE SCALE, what I described is not how radio IS...but apparantly it is how YOU are. Great...then we need more of YOU!

(((editted because I was mistaken))))

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:35 am

Hey Deano, still waiting for the cd you said you burned and sent to me...Christ, thank God I wasn't holding my breath....again, you are an angry little man..... :roll:

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Shall I really embarrass you? I have PM, with you THANKING me for the cd, and telling me that I was awesome. Shall I copy and paste it now or later?
You need to get all four personalities on the same page.. I needed a good morning chuckle. Thanks.

PS, tell your mom to shave her back..

by **Angiekay** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:06 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
Was THIS the comment that I lost you with?

No Jnry, I'm talking about Casey Jones up there. I have no problem with you. You are always respectful and can talk a talk and carry on a conversastion without belittling people and calling them names. You are knowledgeable and if you aren't, you ask questions and are geuninely interested in an answer. I respect your opinion. I just have no time for people who think they better then others because of where they live or what they make. Me talking about the radio station finacial is fact, anyone can check on that. Deano has no idea what he's talking about esp when it comes to SD(and really, we DON'T want he likes here), he's never been here, just watches movies about it. SO if my radio station is NOT the norm, believe me I'd rather be here then any shit hole place you guys are bitching about.

You all have your opinions about radios stations...whatever. After you've been in it for 18 years plus, you can tell me what I know and what I don't know.

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:21 am

I just have no time for people who think they better then others because of where they live or what they make.

That's funny, because you are the one who belittled me FIRST. Go back and read it.
Trust me, I don't think I am better than anyone. And I certainly don't brag about what I make. I am not rich by any means.

Me talking about the radio station finacial is fact, anyone can check on that. Deano has no idea what he's talking about esp when it comes to SD(and really, we DON'T want he likes here), he's never been here,

No not at all. Shall I post the pics of me in front of the capitol in Pierre? Or the Mt Rushmore pics? The Blackhills pics?

just watches movies about it.

There are movies about South Dakota?

You all have your opinions about radios stations.

Was that NOT the topic? Opinions are opinions. Skewing facts and belittling other professions wasn't. Again, I did respond, not instigate..Keep on embarrassing yourself..

One more thing. I will get the answers to the fiasco that ocurred in Sioux Falls, right from the horses' mouth. I will ask Neal Schon what happened, and believe me you Angie, it will become public knowledge here in MR...

by **jrnyman28** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:37 am

Angiekay wrote: I have no problem with you. You are always respectful and can talk a talk and carry on a conversastion without belittling people and calling them names. You are knowledgeable and if you aren't, you ask questions and are geuninely interested in an answer. I respect your opinio

Thank you. And I editted the above post since I was mistaken.
I would like to say that I have a genuine love for music and radio and I wish I could be involved somehow. Sadly, I know radio does not pay well, especially in the beginning, so it is a dream I don't think I can follow. But that is where my interest stems from. It truly is an interest, a love, something I want to know more about!

by **Greg** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:05 am

I loved the DJs with personality....I think that is one reason why I love listening to the "Johnboy and Billy Big Show" in the mornings. Of course you don't hear much in regards to music.....

What I had noticed is that not only are the songs playing on auto, but that even the DJs' "commentary" was recorded. So, much of the broadcast is a recording.

I guess though, that works good during the 3rd shift hours.

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:08 am

Greggie wrote:I loved the DJs with personality....I think that is one reason why I love listening to the "Johnboy and Billy Big Show" in the mornings. Of course you don't hear much in regards to music.....

What I had noticed is that not only are the songs playing on auto, but that even the DJs' "commentary" was recorded. So, much of the broadcast is a recording.

I guess though, that works good during the 3rd shift hours.

That is my point..There is no talent anylonger. I could sit there and give a weather report and spin discs all day..Geez

That's why what Stern, and to a lesser extent Mark and Brian do is talent, and takes talent to write sketches and games..He's brilliant.

by **sadie65** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:12 am

That is my point..There is no talent anylonger. I could sit there and give a weather report and spin discs all day..Geez

That's why what Stern, and to a lesser extent Mark and Brian do is talent, and takes talent to write sketches and games..He's brilliant.

I do think it's where you live. We really do have some decent radio stations here. But I know the trend is growing for pre-recorded, canned crap. Can we say Jack fm?

by **jrnyman28** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:12 am

That's what I hate about "Morning Shows"...they cater to the personality, the comedy, the humor and they minimize the music! One station here has such a successful morning team that they dropped the music altogether. NO MUSIC!! And I HATE those syndicated shows like "Loveline"! Again, NO MUSIC!! It's not even ABOUT music. This is similar to what happened to eMpTyV, though not to the same extreme. Hell, one station here runs the John Tesh Show from midnight to 5 am Monday through Friday and then Midnight to NOON on Sunday!! This is almost the John Tesh Radio Network!!

I certainly like personalities, but I do wish it would revolve around music in some form. I told Angie a while back about one guy that is just phenominal. He knows a story about EVERY band/song he plays! He will set up an anecdote before a commercial break and then play the song afterwards. Sort of like that guy that used to do "The Rest Of The Story". But you find yourself sitting through the commercials to here the answer. It's BRILLIANT!

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:17 am

I do think it's where you live. We really do have some decent radio stations here. But I know the trend is growing for pre-recorded, canned crap. Can we say Jack fm?

Where you live is irrelevant. The big boys are on everywhere.

By the way, Jack and Howard sparred this week. Now Jack is being overly sarcastic playing bits containing Howard all the time..Pathetic.

by **sadie65** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:12 am

Where you live is irrelevant. The big boys are on everywhere.

By the way, Jack and Howard sparred this week. Now Jack is being overly sarcastic playing bits containing Howard all the time..Pathetic.

Right. They are on everywhere. And while you may find them entertaining, I believe people in general are gullible. Tell somebody enough times something is cool, and they tend to believe it...even if it isn't true. And before you decide to throw your napalm at me, I have no problem with the fact that they are in existance or that for you, they are what you find entertaining. Diversity is a good thing.

As for where you live, yes it does play a role. Any decent radio station should and often does promote local talent as well as national. Any decent dj knows how to mix music with history with entertainment and make it seem as though it's only happening in your own backyard.

Jack fm is a pathetic attempt to further go down the road of full automation. Call me old fashioned (and I know you do), but I prefer actual people with my radio.

Donning flame suit now....

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:24 am

And while you may find them entertaining, I believe people in general are gullible. Tell somebody enough times something is cool, and they tend to believe it...

Are you saying I am brainwashed from Stern and the fact that his show is "the most popular show in radio history?" Sadie, I can make up my own mind, thank you...I don't need a Rush Limbaugh telling what to think.

even if it isn't true.

It's not, so..

And before you decide to throw your napalm at me, I have no problem with the fact that they are in existance or that for you, they are what you find entertaining. Diversity is a good thing.

I guess Supply and Demand work for all types of capitalism, eh? The want is far greater for a national show, after all, it's nationally syndicated for a reason.

Jack fm is a pathetic attempt to further go down the road of full automation. Call me old fashioned (and I know you do), but I prefer actual people with my radio.

Agree 100%. That's why Angie is lying to herself. There isn't anyone who wants to hear a "mixed CD" for a radio profram. Like 28 said, he knew a guy who had personality, and he kept listening for that reason. Why the Hell would anyone listen to a radio station that simply spins records?

Secondly, Angie is also wrong about her lil ol station making 500k per month. I was wondering if that was in US dollars..There is no way that is happening. There is a reason why DJ's are becoming extinct; or two. 1) The radio stations cannot afford personnel, and make the profit they want, let alone any profit; and 2) no one wants to hear someone spin the same thing over and over.

Donning flame suit now....

What happened to the black lingerie instead? No need for a flame suit.

by **Angiekay** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:38 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:That's funny, because you are the one who belittled me FIRST. Go back and read it.

No, I didn't YOU go back...you took the first swing with the Pierre mall thing, but nice try. I don't bite until I am bitten. You are rude and a bully. I have never seen a post in this forum where you have had a decent conversation with anyone. You call names and swear, that is your mantra, and everyone knows it. Every post you make you find a new way to show off your insecurity and ignorance and really, if I would have known that in the first place I never wouldn't have followed you here, however there are some very cool people here. You should learn from them, Deano.

by **Angiekay** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 8:48 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Agree 100%. That's why Angie is lying to herself. There isn't anyone who wants to hear a "mixed CD" for a radio profram. Like 28 said, he knew a guy who had personality, and he kept listening for that reason. Why the Hell would anyone listen to a radio station that simply spins records?

You guys all spent the first part of this conversation bitching because radio stations don't play EVERYTHING like they used to. All different artists and genres and it's all the same songs. A JACK format plays EVERYTHING, exactly what you want and now you say it's the dj's. Please, make up your mind on what you want your story to be.

Rock'ndeano wrote:
Secondly, Angie is also wrong about her lil ol station making 500k per month. I was wondering if that was in US dollars..There is no way that is happening. There is a reason why DJ's are becoming extinct; or two. 1) The radio stations cannot afford personnel, and make the profit they want, let alone any profit;

and 2) no one wants to hear someone spin the same thing over and over.

Yet you keep talking...hmmm.. You can call me a liar all you want. Won't break my heart because AGAIN you have no idea what you are talking about. We have six stations and I will bet your over the top living like hog choo choo salary, *every single one of those stations* bills at least 500k a month. Cumulus has 600-800 radio stations. Our group is in the top ten.

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