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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:12 am

Abitaman wrote:
Sorry for the nsduyttn above. I on pain pills. Have a kidney stone since Friday. So i really do not know if I am making any kind of esense at all-ERIC :?


Hey eric, send me another cd..I don't care if it is the Lion King Soundtrack..and put some, no a lot of pain pills in there too. I am all out, and am dying...
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Postby Abitaman » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:15 am

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Abitaman wrote:
Sorry for the nsduyttn above. I on pain pills. Have a kidney stone since Friday. So i really do not know if I am making any kind of esense at all-ERIC :?


Hey eric, send me another cd..I don't care if it is the Lion King Soundtrack..and put some, no a lot of pain pills in there too. I am all out, and am dying...

Will ahve to wait, got 4 left, and do not go back to doctor untill Thursday. So I'll be knowing your pain, tomorrow, if I do not pass it.-ERIC
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:18 am

ERIC, j/k. 4 left? Hell dude, I start by taking 6 at once.

Listen, kidney stones are painful..I would rather bang HOTS in a missionary position without a bag on her head....that's how bad that shit can hurt..I have had it twice.

ERIC, you are my hero...After all the shit you've been through, I would just go to the zoo, and hop in a tigers cell...Just end it...
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Postby Abitaman » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:28 am

this is my 3 or 4th kidney stone in 15 years. The first one i had to go into the hospital and have it removed. the others i passed on my own. hopeing that i'll pass this one to-eric
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:34 am

ohsherrie wrote:What is it you guys say about the cracks Neal has been making all these? "He just tells it like it is" , or something to that effect?


Neal has never criticized someone he didn't have a working relationship with. Neal worked with Perry night after night, road a cramped tour bus with Perry across the country - I think that makes Neal a pretty good judge of character of Perry. He can says what he wants. He worked with Perry for years. Perry, on the otherhand, doesn't know Steve Augeri and really has no right to speak ill of him. If he wants to bash Neal, Jon, or Ross, then that's fine.

ohsherrie wrote:He didn't insult Augeri, he didn't even mention his name, and that's what you're really pissed about isn't it?


Err...duh. He referred to him as a "whatever".
As if he isn't even a fellow artist, or even a man, but a widget.

ohsherrie wrote:He feels the way he feels and has as much right to those feelings as they have to theirs.


But Augeri has NEVER stated a negative opinion about Perry. How can u say Perry have just as much right to demean Augeri, when Augeri has never once demeaned Perry?

ohsherrie wrote:Aren't you happy with the band you have now? Why do you need Steve to validate?


I don't want him to validate shit. The minute that pussy man says he enjoys current day rocked out Journey, is the minute I stop being a fan. We just want him to show respect to Augeri as a fellow human being.
Is that so hard to understand, Loon?
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Postby ohsherrie » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:37 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Yep, definitely. However, IF Neal was a prick, and needled and stabbed Perry in print or interview, I would be pissed too. There is something called tact, and no, I do not need to excercise that here, because I am not in the band.


And now you're saying Neal is tactful? :lol:

Yep, and both standards are on your side.


:?: I don't understand what you're saying there Deano. What I meant was that you guys seem to expect some kind of altruism from Steve, but when Neal or Jon makes a remark that's a lot more overtly cutting about Steve you think that's just too cool.

Look at it this way, how did you form such a negative opinion of Steve's character if not from things that the others have said about him? I KNOW you're not naive enough to think the others are perfect angels that never deserved any criticism or contributed to the strife in the band.

And that really pissed me off. Perry IS NOT better than Augeri in this day. We win that one.


What does your opinion of who's the better singer have to do with whether or not Steve should mention him by name? But if that's where you want to go - Augeri may be able to sing the songs in a higher range at this time, but it's not in as high a range as Steve recorded them, and the strain is already getting to him too. It's very unlikely that Augeri's voice, or writing contributions, could have propelled Journey to the heights that Steve's did in the '80s because he's just not that outstanding. Besides that, it's the music that Steve recorded that is what the band is touring on right now. Sure they've produced some good new music, but that isn't going anywhere for them. Why should Steve feel obligated to give honorable mention to the man who is out there replacing him in a band that's success was due in large part to Steve's work? That's fairytales shit Dean. It doesn't happen in real life where real passions are in play, and I'd think it was phoney PC/PR/BS if Steve were to try and say he appreciated Augeri.

Yes, we are..very happy. However, Andrew has to keep perry in this forum, so that little bitch is fair game. Sherrie, why do you support such an asshole and child of a man? I would be embarrassed.


Why does it bother you so much? Why is it that MOST of the Perry related threads here are started by people who aren't in your Loon catagory if you guys don't want to talk about him? Why are those threads invariably the most popular ones if you guys don't want to talk about him? Why do you want to talk about someone that you profess to think so little of? It has to be because you enjoy ragging on him, but why is that? Could it be because you feel you need to justify the existence of the band today and making Steve look bad helps you do that in some way? Could it be that you want so badly for someone to give you some dirt on him in a interview so you can say, "See, we're right to like Augeri better."? If you like him better, then like him better, but damn, do you think you'd have him to enjoy if it wasn't for the Journey legacy that wouldn't exist if it weren't for Steve Perry. Even if it were true that Steve is a less than noble, honorable man(like Neal is, :roll:) what does that have to do with your enjoyment of the band today? Why do you seem to need Steve to be worthless in order to enjoy the band today?

Nothing sounds as lame or ridiculous as you Perryloons..seriously, it's fucking embarrassing.


What's embarrassing is is this anti-Perry crusade that just never ends. I've never understood it, and I guess I never will.

Look back through the treads on here. I can't because it just take too much time for me to navigate around. If you will, and be honest about what you find, you'll see that most of the Anti-Perry tirades were not started as a reply to anthing a Perry person has said. They just seem to happen on there own out of some need that some of you have to bash him. Then if someone tries to post something supportive of Steve in response, or even just disagrees with your point of view, you all start screaming LOONS LOONS LOONS. It seems that it's not only taboo to say anything the least bit negative about the band if your a professed Perry person, you're also not allowed to say anything positive about Steve, even if it's true. Why does anything postive about Perry equal something negative about Augeri or the band in your mind? Don't you think he can withstand the comparison? But then I see very few comparisons being made, except by some of you guys. Oh sure, maybe once in a while one of we Loons will make a comparative post, but the biggest share of them come from the avid supporters of the band. The only difference is that the few that are made by we Loons lean towards the Perry side whereas yours all go to the other extreme. I can't remember the last time I saw a post as abusive of Augeri as what I see a lot of here about Perry. But that's OK, no........................

That's embarrassing. :wink:
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Postby Marabelle » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:53 am

Oh Sherri! The word that really grinds me is SP's use of the word "whatever". He can say anything, swear, cuss, fuss and
call me Clarence; but do not use the word "whatever". After that
he loses me. Must be some sort of code with that word that totally
shuts down my brain.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:01 am

ohsherrie wrote: What I meant was that you guys seem to expect some kind of altruism from Steve, but when Neal or Jon makes a remark that's a lot more overtly cutting about Steve you think that's just too cool.


Umm, those guys *know* Steve. Ok?
They shared a career with Steve. They are entitled to make comments about their fellow bandmate.
If Perry was slighting Jon, Ross, or Neal it'd be a different story.
That'd be understandable
But Perry doesn't know Augeri and should at least respect the guy as a fellow working musician and not a "whatever"

Augeri may be able to sing the songs in a higher range at this time, but it's not in as high a range as Steve recorded them, and the strain is already getting to him too.


But Perry's range fluctuated throughout his entire tenure in Journey.
What the fuck are you talking about?
You don't think Augeri is singing in a higher range then Perry was during ROR or TBF?
Think again.
Augeri actually sings the songs more like the record.
Many times Perry would speed them up, garble words and make them sound like abject ass.

ohsherrie wrote:It's very unlikely that Augeri's voice, or writing contributions, could have propelled Journey to the heights that Steve's did in the '80s because he's just not that outstanding.


Do you own any of Augeri's previous non-Journey records?
No, you don't.
Which begs the question, just who are you to comment on Augeri's abilities?
His non-Journey works blow Perry's non-Journey works right out of the water.

ohsherrie wrote: Why should Steve feel obligated to give honorable mention to the man who is out there replacing him in a band that's success was due in large part to Steve's work?


Who the hell is talking about "honorable mentions"?
Showing a modicum of respct by not referring to the guy an an inanimate "whatever" would be in your eyes "an honorable mention"? We're just saying that Perry should show a fellow musician (whom he doesn't know) a little respect!


ohsherrie wrote:That's fairytales shit Dean. It doesn't happen in real life where real passions are in play, and I'd think it was phoney PC/PR/BS if Steve were to try and say he appreciated Augeri.


You're full of shit, Sherrie.
Someone in this very thread posted an interview where the original singer of Judas Priest is now buds with his replacement singer. Furthermore, MANY artists show respect for their fellow workers in the music biz.
Why does that seem so unbelievable to you?
When you were a teacher, would you routinely flip off your fellow co-workers?
I didn't think so.

ohsherrie wrote: Why is it that MOST of the Perry related threads here are started by people who aren't in your Loon catagory if you guys don't want to talk about him?


You're lying. Again.

ohsherrie wrote:Why are those threads invariably the most popular ones if you guys don't want to talk about him?


Because we end up quarelling with people like you.

ohsherrie wrote:Why do you want to talk about someone that you profess to think so little of? It has to be because you enjoy ragging on him, but why is that? Could it be because you feel you need to justify the existence of the band today and making Steve look bad helps you do that in some way? Could it be that you want so badly for someone to give you some dirt on him in a interview so you can say, "See, we're right to like Augeri better."?


No, no, and no.
The Perry threads invariably end up being a popular topic because many Journey fans waste their time pointing out the endless hypocrisies and lies of people like you.

ohsherrie wrote:Even if it were true that Steve is a less than noble, honorable man(like Neal is, :roll:)


Once again. Neal isn't slighting a musician he doesn't know.
Perry is slighting a man who has shown nothing but the utmost respect. BIG difference.


ohsherrie wrote:Then if someone tries to post something supportive of Steve in response, or even just disagrees with your point of view, you all start screaming LOONS LOONS LOONS. It seems that it's not only taboo to say anything the least bit negative about the band if your a professed Perry person, you're also not allowed to say anything positive about Steve, even if it's true.


But it so rarely is true.
Andrew says Perry's management told him directly that because he supports the current band he would not be granted an interview.
What do you old maids do?
Immediately go into *spin* mode and deny, deny, deny.
Something remotely not a kiss-ass compliment about our Lord!
-Egads! It simply can't be true!
So u impugn Andrew's repuation and call the man a liar! It is this very denialist thinking that we see time and time again.
You people aren't honest about *ANYTHING*, when it comes to Perry.
You're zombified zealot practioneers of blind idolatry.
In a word, "LOONS!"


ohsherrie wrote:I can't remember the last time I saw a post as abusive of Augeri as what I see a lot of here about Perry. But that's OK, no........................


Maybe that's because Augeri hasn't overstepped his purview and fucked up the band yet. Augeri didn't fire people. He didn't take over creative control and make the shittiest record in all of Journey history.
He didn't feign injuries and cancel tours.
If you can think of something negative to post about Augeri then go ahead be my guest.

Besides, I've been going out of my way to bash Augeri every day of the year so far because of his stupid song, "Believe".
So don't say current fans aren't critical of Augeri, because we are.
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Postby ohsherrie » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:15 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote: If he wants to bash Neal, Jon, or Ross, then that's fine.


No it wouldn't, some of you guys would be raising holy hell about that too.

Err...duh. He referred to him as a "whatever".
As if he isn't even a fellow artist, or even a man, but a widget.


I don't know why I'm wasting my Loonie time saying this but, do you think you guys might just be intentionally reading a lot more into that than was intended? Couldn't he have been referring to the comments made by the band that they weren't trying to find a "sound alike", but just a "replacement" who could cover the old songs? Of course it couldn't be something that benign though coming from a bad old troll like Steve. :roll:

But Augeri has NEVER stated a negative opinion about Perry. How can u say Perry have just as much right to demean Augeri, when Augeri has never once demeaned Perry?


I don't think I said anyone had a right to demean anyone. I don't think Steve was demeaning Augeri. I think he's just ignoring him. That's probably the same way I would handle it in the same sort of situation. At least he didn't blatantly diss a fellow musician and former friend. Remember Neal's comment about Clapton, but then that's acceptable, right?

I don't want him to validate shit. The minute that pussy man says he enjoys current day rocked out Journey, is the minute I stop being a fan. We just want him to show respect to Augeri as a fellow human being.
Is that so hard to understand, Loon?


He acknowledged that there was another human being out there singing with the band. If you people don't want his real feelings why are you clamoring for someone to badger him into giving you more? You already KNOW how he feels about the band, why do you want so badly to have him say things that you know you're not going to like if not to justify your position? Why do you need it justified if not for validation? What you want is any reason you can find to put Steve down and elevate Augeri as a beleaguered saint. I swear TNC, sometimes you guys really are sappier over him than the most of we Loons are over Perry.

If the only two classes of fans allowed on here are Loons and Philes, I guess I'll have to stay a Loon because I just don't want to be as narrow minded and abusive as some of the Philes. I guess analyzing and appreciating the music and performances, past and present, without making it a pissing match over minutia just isn't going to be allowed, and it's not the Loons that are keeping that from happening.
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Postby Marabelle » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:16 am

what i take away from all of this; is if you believe in something than
stand firm and say it and take all the gruff you may get. it's about time if you ask me. i can't stand mamsie pansie men. if you have anything to say then just say it; if not then get out of the way. i'm glad he said what he should of said a long time ago instead of placating some people and finally stirring up the ire of others. i cannot deal with someone hiding behind false images even if that sells more music. i always believed he had a heck of a lot of passion and he put that in his music and finally he is putting that in his life with words.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:34 am

ohsherrie wrote:No it wouldn't, some of you guys would be raising holy hell about that too.


Sherrie, you've really gone off the deep end. Perry worked with Jon, Neal, and Ross. He is entitled to comment on them. Possibly, I may not agree with some of his comments, but at least I'd agree with his right to say them. As it stands, Perry has absolutely NO right to slight Augeri. None.

At least he didn't blatantly diss a fellow musician and former friend. Remember Neal's comment about Clapton, but then that's acceptable, right?


Neal criticized Clapton on his current style of playing. As a guitar player I think Neal is allowed to comment on his contemporaries. Neal has also worked with Clapton before, so what's the problem here?
He didn't demean Clapton as some non-sentient inhuman object, the way Perry did with Augeri. Neal commented on his style of playing.

He acknowledged that there was another human being out there singing with the band.


Referring to someone as a "whatever" is respectful terminology for a fellow human being? Gimme a break. I show my pet dog more respect then that. I guess you are a fervent believer in the ressurection of designated "colored" restrooms and "colored" water fountains too, huh?
That's what this all boils down to - showing a fellow human being respect.

If you people don't want his real feelings why are you clamoring for someone to badger him into giving you more?


WE'RE NOT. NO ONE IS.
Jester said he didn't care if Andrew interviewed him or not. Deano said he didn't care, and so did I. Who is clamoring for another Perry interview?

You already KNOW how he feels about the band, why do you want so badly to have him say things that you know you're not going to like if not to justify your position?


What are you talking about?

Why do you need it justified if not for validation?


Justify what?
Are you crazy?
I want Perry to respect Augeri as a fellow human being.

What you want is any reason you can find to put Steve down and elevate Augeri as a beleaguered saint.


I criticize Augeri all the time. In fact, let me just take this moment to take my daily shit all over his solo song, "Believe".
Steve-it sucks.
Go back to the drawing board please.

I swear TNC, sometimes you guys really are sappier over him than the most of we Loons are over Perry.


How am I sappy? Show me.
Now you are reverting to making shit up. Stay on topic please. Perry slighted Augeri and that's what we are discussing.

I guess analyzing and appreciating the music and performances, past and present,


HAHhahahahaha
When was the last time any of u lonely old maids did that?
You're here to talk about the music, yet you rarely ever talk about the music. Get off the pot already.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:47 am

You can't blame Perry for feeling threatened by Augie. It is like Joan Crawford in Mommie Dearest, when she realizes she is too old to play the parts of young women. Let's call him "Perry Dearest"!
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:48 am

Abitaman wrote:Sorry for the nsduyttn above. I on pain pills.


I want what he's having! 8)
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:56 am

I'll bet he'd love to hit Augeri with a bent wire hanger.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:01 am

Red13JoePa wrote:I'll bet he'd love to hit Augeri with a bent wire hanger.


Who, Perry or Deano? :lol:
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Postby yogi » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:29 am

Personally I dont think you can even compare the two. It is like comparing a professional baseball major league all star to a double A player playing the same position.

Steve Perry is a legend and the voice of many from a generation. Steve Agueri is not.

If you take away Neal, Ross, Steve, Deen, Jonathan etc from the equation you have got one guy that is still a superstar in his field, and another guy that is a Gap salesman.

I respect the hell out of current Journey, and Steve Agueri. But he is not even in the same league as Steve Perry.

As for the sound a like quote from Steve P. He is correct. If Steve Agueri didnt sound like Steve Perry he would of NEVER landed the gig!!

With that said, the gig Steve Agueri landed is going full steam ahead which makes this Journey fan happy!!!
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:37 am

yogi wrote:If you take away Neal, Ross, Steve, Deen, Jonathan etc from the equation you have got one guy that is still a superstar in his field, and another guy that is a Gap salesman.


And Perry used to fix turkey coops to earn a living. What's ur point?
Most artists have side jobs to support themselves until they can do what they love full time.
Besides, Augeri is a musician in his own right. Tall Stories is one of the best AOR albums ever.

yogi wrote:I respect the hell out of current Journey, and Steve Agueri.


Yes, so much so apparently that you don't even know how to spell his name.
Get the hell outta here.


yogi wrote:But he is not even in the same league as Steve Perry.


You're right. Currently speaking, as of this juncture in time, Augeri is better than Steve Perry. All Perry can do is manage to make gutural inhuman raspy noises.
Stephen Hawking has more of a vocal range.

yogi wrote:As for the sound a like quote from Steve P. He is correct. If Steve Agueri didnt sound like Steve Perry he would of NEVER landed the gig!!


That's not what Perry said.
You don't even know what we are debating.

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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:39 am

yogi wrote:I respect the hell out of current Journey, and Steve Agueri. But he is not even in the same league as Steve Perry.


If you respect Augie, then why do you call him a Gap salesman? Who the f*** hasn't had a job that was beneath them sometime in their lives?

And Augie is not only in the same league as Perry, he is hitting home runs while Perry is riding the pines.
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Postby yogi » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:44 am

You take ths WAAYYYY to personal. They are not even close to the same league.

Why not leave the politics out, and just listen to the music?????? Your memories are toooooooooo short.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:48 am

yogi wrote:You take ths WAAYYYY to personal. They are not even close to the same league.

Why not leave the politics out, and just listen to the music?????? Your memories are toooooooooo short.


We have listened to the music. Perry's voice has become increasingly haggard dating from Frontiers and onwards. He no longer can sing Journey songs the way they were intended. Augeri blows him away.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:55 am

yogi wrote:You take ths WAAYYYY to personal. They are not even close to the same league.

Why not leave the politics out, and just listen to the music?????? Your memories are toooooooooo short.


No they're not. We know how great Perry was. We prefer to live in the NOW.
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Postby artinis1 » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:57 am

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who really cares what steve perry says, for years people wanted to hear from him, so he throws a shot at augeri, so what, i mean, do you really thing augeri cares, he knew when he took the job he was going to take a lot of heat, and yes he was originally hired because he sounded a bit like perry, and yes he is a great guy and does not deserve that but if perry is still upset over what happened, big deal, both sides take a few shots at each other every now and then, deal with it, i hope the current journey continues, can't wait to get the live dvd next year, the houston dvd is awesome and i really hope perry continues to work on these and put on some more, the jfk one he mentioned would be cool as well as a raised on radio and oh that japan 80 one, which i think we will never see, remember when there were years and there was nothing from journey, now we are getting both old and new, perry is a legend and legends bitch and moan from time to time, deal with it
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:06 am

artinis1 wrote:big deal, both sides take a few shots at each other every now and then, deal with it

Augeri has never taken a shot at Perry. Ever.
Maybe he should start.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:10 am

ohsherrie wrote:No, I didn't "skate over" the honesty of Steve's candor on this. What is it you guys say about the cracks Neal has been making all these? "He just tells it like it is" , or something to that effect? You've even complained because Steve hasn't opened up about his feelings on it. Now that he's begun to do that you're reviling him for not it. :roll: We've definitly got two "standards of behavior" expected here and it's not all on the part of the Perry people.


The two standards of behavior comes from the fact that when Neal does something like this (as Perry has done), Neal then is the worst human being to ever live on the face of the earth, etc., etc., etc. When Perry does it, he's just telling it like it is.

He didn't insult Augeri, he didn't even mention his name, and that's what you're really pissed about isn't it?


And if Neal had said exactly what Perry said (referring to another guitarist who had replaced him in Journey - as an example - you and the rest of the Perry Only people would have jumped all over Neal. The TRUTH is that Perry still continues to do NO wrong, even when he uses the "F" word in an interview. If Neal did that, you'd crucify him, so tell me, is there a double standard? Of course there is...

If you're waiting for him to say something supportive about Augeri or the band it's not going to happen and there's no realistic reason for anyone to expect him to. He feels the way he feels and has as much right to those feelings as they have to theirs. Why is that so important to you anyway. Aren't you happy with the band you have now? Why do you need Steve to validate?


But the same could be asked of you in reverse? Why is it so important for you and others to continue to harp on Neal and the guys? Because you DON'T have what you really want - Perry either fronting for Journey or singing on his own. AND if he WAS singing on his own again, you'd STILL be here saying how wonderful he sounded, and how much better he sounds today, blah, blah, blah.

It reminds me of Elvis' last days. I remember a woman I worked with going to see him. He was fat, addicted to everything, couldn't remember words to songs and would sometimes lie down on stage while singing. She went to his concert and I asked her how it was. Her response? "He's better today than he was when he was younger." Wishful thinking. He became a true caricature of himself because he had put on weight (Perry has as well), he couldn't hit the high notes anymore (same with Perry) and he simply wasn't the performer he was when he was younger (same with Perry).

If you're expecting him to take ALL the blame for his not being in the band right now, that's not going to happen either, because it's just not true.


Sure it is. No one kicked him out. He quit and he was not given an ultimatum either, unless what was stated in Behind the Music was a lie.

Of course he has to take his share of the blame, I don't think he's ever denied that.


Some little blanket disclaimer is not really an admission of making a mistake. As far as you and the other Perry Only people are concerned, Neal could NEVER do enough to admit he had done anything wrong. With Perry, what he's said already is MORE than enough for you.

In fact, I think he was alluding to his mistakes in this interview, but because he didn't come out and say "Oh it was all my fault and I regret the things I did to Neal" you're not satisfied with it. Thinking he's the devil incarnate who did unspeakably terrible things to poor innocent Neal, let alone expecting him to say so, is as ridiculous as those Perry people who say their darling Stevie would never use a bad word.


I like your use of the word "alluding." That's good. The use of the "F" word is simply using a "bad word" according to you? Yet, if it was Neal, he would be scum on earth. Wait a minute! According to you and others, Neal IS scum on earth. :)

Don't you realize that you sound just as lame, just in a more abusive way? :lol:


Are you talking to yourself with that statement? Sure sounds like it. You're making every conceivable excuse for Perry and poo-pooing everything that even smacks of elitism by him.

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Postby Marabelle » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:11 am

I bet he's waiting on him. Give it "your" best shot. Although I think it wont happen and it shouldn't happen. Steve A. is too much of a gentleman although Steve P. has been "itching for it". So, who knows. Although I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that one! I guess I'd rather get the cold shoulder at the WOF instead of an earful. Just the thought is kind of exhilarating.
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Postby fred_journeyman » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:14 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
artinis1 wrote:big deal, both sides take a few shots at each other every now and then, deal with it

Augeri has never taken a shot at Perry. Ever.
Maybe he should start.


We all know that Augeri is not the type to do that.

Perry sits around feeling sorry for himself and blames Neal and the guys for their decision to go on without him, yet it was HIS decision NOT to go with them that has kept him where he's at. There was no ultimatum given to Perry by the guys. In FACT, it was the other way around. There was a CLAUSE that actually kept the GUYS from doing anything with Journey, put there by Perry's lawyers when he developed his hip problem. Now, who gave who an ultimatum? Get it right, Steve.

At the same time, he can't even make a decision as to whether or not he's going to record anymore! He constantly thinks about it, but doesn't do anything about it. What is THAT all about. Either you want to or you don't want to. What is all this talk about how PAINFUL everything is in life? Cheese and crackers, Steve, it's MUSIC, not the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ!

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Postby fred_journeyman » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:21 am

The other fact to consider is that when Perry DOES give any type of interview, he really never says anything different. He never fully discloses anything. It's always "I'm thinking about it" or "I might" or "This could happen, who knows?" Obviously, with this latest interview, he's showing more of his "I'm pissed off and holding a grudge" attitude" and it shows.

At the WOF, it was obviously (to me at least) that Neal was so glad to see Perry and yet, as far as Perry was concerned, it was "Who are you and why are you standing next to me with your arm around my shoulder?" It just seemed like Perry could care less.

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who really cares what steve perry says, for years people wanted to hear from him, so he throws a shot at augeri, so what, i mean, do you really thing augeri cares, he knew when he took the job he was going to take a lot of heat, and yes he was originally hired because he sounded a bit like perry, and yes he is a great guy and does not deserve that but if perry is still upset over what happened, big deal, both sides take a few shots at each other every now and then, deal with it, i hope the current journey continues, can't wait to get the live dvd next year, the houston dvd is awesome and i really hope perry continues to work on these and put on some more, the jfk one he mentioned would be cool as well as a raised on radio and oh that japan 80 one, which i think we will never see, remember when there were years and there was nothing from journey, now we are getting both old and new, perry is a legend and legends bitch and moan from time to time, deal with it
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Postby NoMoreTails » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:43 am

[quote="The_Noble_Cause"]
If Perry was slighting Jon, Ross, or Neal it'd be a different story.
That'd be understandable
But Perry doesn't know Augeri and should at least respect the guy as a fellow working musician and not a "whatever"[quote]

I think we should overlook Perry's slighting of Augeri here because he truly is a nice guy, its just that his feelings are hurt over Journey being so mean and going on without him.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:50 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:If Perry was slighting Jon, Ross, or Neal it'd be a different story.
That'd be understandable
But Perry doesn't know Augeri and should at least respect the guy as a fellow working musician and not a "whatever"

I think we should overlook Perry's slighting of Augeri here because he truly is a nice guy, its just that his feelings are hurt over Journey being so mean and going on without him.


Perry also thinks the Earth should stop spinning when he is gone. :P
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Postby yogi » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:57 am

Because Cal Ripken and Kirby Puckett are retired does that make them any less of a ball player???

Is it right to compare some 'journey'man shortstop or centerfielder to them just because they are no longer in the game????


Who is better Christian Guzman or Cal Ripken????? How about Aaron Roland vs Kirby Puckett???????



They are not in the same league!!!!!!!!

And again, If Steve A. did not sound similiar to Steve P. he NEVER lands the Journey gig.

Why do some of you take offense to that ?? It is true!
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