Ok, Here ya go....

[A Fire Inside]

If Steve Augeri really could not sing, the band would have replaced him. I think it was HOTS that pointed this out. Since he just sang on Generations, it's obvious he CAN sing. Singing every night is a tough thing... look what it did to Perry. Can't say I blame Augeri for phoning it in a bit if it's true.

[jrnyman28]

Yogi with all do respect I disagree.
Perry gets paid either way why would he give a sheet.
I don't think he would have the say in weather or not
they are enhancing(I'm being nice) the music.
He is no longer with them, just collects royalties.

Perry has been very vocal about how Journey portrays themselves in his absence. I am sure he would be very interested in this if he were to find out it were true.

[Eric]

Now do you think Perry would attend Journey's concerts?

Lori

It would be awesome if he did....seeing him cringe at a missed high note, respect a tough accomplishment, suprised at how Journey a new song sounds like...etc...But I honestly believe it would hurt him too much to see someone else fronting the band. Not that it isn't his own fault...but I'm just saying

[NealIsGod]

Perry barely even acknowledged Augie at the WOF ceremony. But, of course, he goes and hugs a bunch of fanatics from Perryville who worship him.

[Free]

Steve Perry would blow the whistle because it is his voice that orginally made these songs famous.
Now, you have his replacement singer, singing his songs. Then Steve Perry finds out this guy REALLY isnt even singing them live. If this were true Steve P. would say something. Royalities or not in my eyes its toooo much of slam. It would TRULY hurt the name of the band Journey.

For whatever reason its gotta hurt knowing someone else is now singing your songs. If the guy who replaced you really wasnt actually singing them and you knew you would say something.

I have never been divorced but I would compare it this. You agree to a divorce, then you find out something really bad about the guy your ex wife is now married to. If I still cared at all for my ex wife I know I would say something.

Steve Perry still cares about Journey!!!

It is for that very reason I DONT believe it is true!

Steve Perry has proven time and time again the he does not care about current day Journey.

Do we need to give just one of the many examples of how he really couldn't care less about the current line up?

I've come the conclusion that he really has washed his hands of ever singing with them again. He's probably laughing at them now if they are taping it.

Now it's obvious that he does care about past Journey but not Journey today.

[amaron]

I honestly think that the band needs to address this. I'm sure they won't, but they need to.

They are gonna start losing fans if/when this spreads.

[Red13JoePa]

I honestly think that the band needs to address this. I'm sure they won't, but they need to.

They are gonna start losing fans if/when this spreads.

Dunno that they need to. The only place it has been an issue is inside of this forum. Might not even know a question exists...

I agree, Amaron, if you feel that they are few and far between in communications to their die hard fans. It did not seem to be that way, either, until Neal had to defend himself against a mob of Perryheads on BT one time. Now they really keep their distance not that I blame them.

[AR]

Quick weigh in here as I have as many if not more live shows from recent years as probably anyone.

Is it possible that Journey "sweetens" the live vocals a bit? Sure. Most hard rock bands do. For Journey, they already have an added assistance with Deen's backing vocals.

Def Leppard uses a lot of tricks live. Instrumentally and vocally there are things going on. Kiss (a former favorite of mine) is a virtual joke. Guitars not plugged in, added backing vocals. In fact, they go so far sometimes as to sing over a live soundcheck tape where they knew there were no mistakes.

Yngwie Malmsteen used Joe Lynn Turners vocals on tape during the chorus of Heaven Tonight, after Joe had left the band (which was really weird).

Is Steve Augeri flat out lip synching? - nope. No way. Some occassional tricks, sure, what band doesn't? But he's hit enough "bad" notes on shows that I have seen and have on tape to know that he is singing live for the most part. I just watched the Baltimore DVD from the Generations tour and Wolf Trap from the previous tour and the songs do not match the Casino Rama shows I have from recent years. I could go listen to every single boot that I have but I have no desire to drive myself crazy hearing Ask the Lonely 25 or 30 different times.

For those who think that Steve Perry never had any help live, you're also kidding yourself. Especially if you think you could insert him into Journey now and that he would sound like he did on the Houston Escape show 25 years ago. That's laughable. It's also the show everyone seems to judge his entire live career on because it's the most readily available footage. I've heard many performances where I wasn't satisfied with his vocals, where he flat out rushed songs and didn't sound that great. Doesn't mean he wasn't a fantastic singer though. However some of the idol worship that goes on with him is really embarrasing and downright strange.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents, take it for what you will. It's really a shame to see what goes on between fans of this band sometimes. I'm just happy they still exist and I can hear some new music and catch them live every once in awhile.

Damn, no wonder I don't post very often. As you all were......

Peace out.

[NealIsGod]

Quick weigh in here as I have as many if not more live shows from recent years as probably anyone.

Is it possible that Journey "sweetens" the live vocals a bit? Sure. Most hard rock bands do. For Journey, they already have an added assistance with Deen's backing vocals.

Def Leppard uses a lot of tricks live. Instrumentally and vocally there are things going on. Kiss (a former favorite of mine) is a virtual joke. Guitars not plugged in, added backing vocals. In fact, they go so far as to sing over a live soundcheck tape where they knew there were no mistakes.

Yngwie Malmsteen used Joe Lynn Turners vocals on tape during the chorus of Heaven Tonight, after Joe had left the band (which was really weird).

Is Steve Augeri flat out lip synching? - nope. No way. Some occassional tricks, sure, what band doesn't? But he's hit enough "bad" notes on shows that I have seen and have on tape to know that he is singing live for the most part. I just watched the Baltimore DVD from the Generations tour and Wolf Trap from the previous tour and the songs do not match the Casino Rama shows I have from recent years. I could go listen to every single boot that I have but I have no desire to drive myself crazy hearing Ask the Lonely 25 or 30 different times.

For those who think that Steve Perry never had any help live, you're also kidding yourself. Especially if you think you could insert him into Journey now and that he would sound like he did on the Houston Escape show 25 years ago. That's laughable. It's also the show everyone seems to judge his entire live career on because it's the most readily available footage. I've heard many performances where I wasn't satisfied with his vocals, where he flat out rushed songs and didn't sound that great. Doesn't mean he wasn't a fantastic singer though. However some of the idol worship that goes on with him is really embarrasing and downright strange.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents, take it for what you will. It's really a shame to see what goes on between fans of this band sometimes. I'm just happy they still exist and I can hear some new music and catch them live every once in awhile.

Damn, no wonder I don't post very often. As you all were......

Peace out.

[Red13JoePa]

ArrivalRules raises a point in this debate that I think is uderrated.
Though I think he is a great live singer Augeri, as with all artists including Perry live, hits his share of flat/dull notes and suffers cracks. I still love him as the frontman covering the classic material and the new and do not think he's faking. We've all heard the warts.

[*Laura]

If Steve Augeri really could not sing, the band would have replaced him.

I have to disagree.If Journey would decide to replace Augeri with a new singer,and I mean completely new, that would make them lose all their credibility.Not to mention the stressful situation they’d have to go through by starting all over again… More,I think Neal would be held responsible for a move like this and a second “black cloud” would be hanging over his head…I suppose at this point is either Journey will finish their mission with Augeri as it is or they will do the SP reunion and then call it quits.

[Eric]

1) Explaining all the missed notes is something the lip syncher believers (LSB's.....a new definition for people on here) will have to do to us non-believers.

2) Shania - I don't think that 95% of the concert goers know who the hell Steve Augeri is. 25% don't even know who Steve Perry is. Its the music....I don't think replacing Augeri would matter a bit to the tour attendance.

Why would they just make Deen-o the lead?

[NealIsGod]

Speaking of Deen-o, where is OUR Deano? Is he taking the day off? Guess his fingers need it after yesterday's type fest.

[*Laura]

I don't think that 95% of the concert goers know who the hell Steve Augeri is.

If this is true,then it's tragic.If not for the band,then for those who go to the Journey concerts.How on Earth can you go to a concert without even knowing the minimum about the artists on stage - their names???Jesus.
I just don't get it.

Why would they just make Deen-o the lead?

I love Deen.Great voice and stunning drum skills...But,honestly,I can't see him fronting Journey.I don't know why...

[jrnyman28]

I suppose at this point is either Journey will finish their mission with Augeri as it is or they will do the SP reunion and then call it quits.

Jon and Neal have both siad that this is the "last" incarnation of Journey.

[jrnyman28]

Why would they just make Deen-o the lead?

I love Deen.Great voice and stunning drum skills...But,honestly,I can't see him fronting Journey.I don't know why...

[/quote]

Deen has already said that he would never take a lead singer position. He said he has no idea what to do in front of the skins. Besides, he is obviously a novice singer. Talented but not professional, otherwise he would not have injured his voice so easily.

[Abitaman]

Well there are too many unanswered for me to believe this. Questions that RD said he knew of, that are not fitting in to place
1) What ever became of the fist fight Deen and Schon had, when Schon told Augeri to leave
2) Why did Deen try out for the lead singer, if he was mad cause Schon was giving Augeri the boot.
3) Why did mgmt want to keep Augeri, but anew lead singer was under contract to take Augeri's place?
4) Why was it Schon was the one who said no to this new lead singer (notice difference of who said what in 3 and 4), cause Schon wanted to keep Augeri but mgmt did not.
5) Why is it this lead singer as you put, as put it way better than PERRY, not singing, since he is under contract with the band.
6) Why is it you swore Team Dean to silence on this info, but you yourself started dropping hints with in a week, someone who LOVES THIS BAND AND WANT NO HARM TO COME TO THEM. I know it wasn't you who said it right out, but you had it out there, and all anyone had to do was PM you.
7) I don't blame 28 for telling it, I was about to to shut you up. But you just got worse.
Why is it you waited until Andrew was gone to bring this up, when he told you to stop before. Would you have done it if Andrew had been here?
9) Why do you insist that he we don't hear it we don't know anything. Who you trying to convince yourself
10) You love the band? Why are you doing this without first giving the band a chance to see and hear the evidence. Ego? maybe you really don't love the band after all.






I for one do not think it is widespread as you say, and you are making more out of it, trying for some odd reason to get people on your side. Bring Perry back, all by yourself? Don't seem to me you were behind the band at all if you didn't give them the chance to hear this-ERIC

[Eric]

It is sad Shania....but look around at all the freaks the next show you go to. They buy tix because it sounds like fun, they win tix, they like 2 songs.....this is the majority of concert goers

[yogi]

I am done posting on this thread.

My final verdict is.... I FLAT OUT do NOT
believe it!!

[verslibre]

It's obvious what Journey needs.




Sammy Hagar.




They can't afford him.

[Red13JoePa]

EricAbita: All very very hard good questions. Deano, don't get mad because I know you believe in what you believe in.

Reply to Abs if you see fit, though.

[Angiekay]

It's obvious what Journey needs.




Sammy Hagar.




They can't afford him.

A. Voice and music NOT compatible at all!

B. It's beneath Sammy (no flames, just my honest opinion)

[verslibre]

Oh, I agree: it IS beneath him.

I was joking, anyway.

[A Fire Inside]

The difference between Milli Vanilli and Journey is that STEVE AUGERI SANG THOSE SONGS. MV was just lip-synching other people's voices. Augeri HAS a voice. It's there on Generations, and it's there at least 30 seconds into each live song. I don't feel ripped off. I'd like to see you lipsynch-believers shout your throat out every night for a few months. Journey can't afford to stop touring.

[Abitaman]

I not trying to come down on Deano, just wanting you tell the whole story as you told us. I forgot to add other things you said where going on....
picking up the whole thread from above, with the new added on ant 11) and on......

Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:49 am Post subject:

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Well there are too many unanswered for me to believe this. Questions that RD said he knew of, that are not fitting in to place
1) What ever became of the fist fight Deen and Schon had, when Schon told Augeri to leave
2) Why did Deen try out for the lead singer, if he was mad cause Schon was giving Augeri the boot.
3) Why did mgmt want to keep Augeri, but anew lead singer was under contract to take Augeri's place?
4) Why was it Schon was the one who said no to this new lead singer (notice difference of who said what in 3 and 4), cause Schon wanted to keep Augeri but mgmt did not.
5) Why is it this lead singer as you put, as put it way better than PERRY, not singing, since he is under contract with the band.
6) Why is it you swore Team Dean to silence on this info, but you yourself started dropping hints with in a week, someone who LOVES THIS BAND AND WANT NO HARM TO COME TO THEM. I know it wasn't you who said it right out, but you had it out there, and all anyone had to do was PM you.
7) I don't blame 28 for telling it, I was about to to shut you up. But you just got worse.
Why is it you waited until Andrew was gone to bring this up, when he told you to stop before. Would you have done it if Andrew had been here?
9) Why do you insist that he we don't hear it we don't know anything. Who you trying to convince yourself
10) You love the band? Why are you doing this without first giving the band a chance to see and hear the evidence. Ego? maybe you really don't love the band after all.

add on.....

11) You said the roadies and mgmt said Augeri's voice was so shot, that he could NEVER sing again. And after this cancelled show (in SA?) you said the new vocalist is in. Where is he?
12) I forgot about the Perry part of it...Neal called Perry, asked him to come back (Begged more like it). Perry didn't give an answer for 3 days. They met in a restaurant. I believe you said you saw them, or someone you know said they saw them (could have been Augeri since the casual fan doesn't know). Anyway Perry and Schon met, and Perry flat out said NO, he wants nothing to Journey anymore, NOTHING!! Said his Journey days are over. So why haven't you mentioned that too? You got all these people down on Journey, but thinking now is a good time for Perry to come back, heck you have been leading the Perry comeback. But you have none for since the cancelled show Perry wants nothing to do with Journey, NOTHING!!!

Again not trying to bust your balls, but according to emails, PMs, and IM from you over they past few months, you are not even telling a 10th of the story. You want to bust Journey, bring them down over something that is common in the field, make it look like they are a monster, deceiving the fans, not give them a chance to tell their side of the story, but through it all you maintain this is tearing you a part. Might as well let it ALL be known. Maybe after school today I can find some more emails, and etc.... so more truth (BS) can be told. I stood behind you your train wreck, cancer, defended you on everything, but not this. I would stand behind you again, it is the fair and right thing to do. But standing behind you on this, is not right or fair, when it was brought about this way, and a big deal is made over everyday things. So is the tape (fake singing), and all this right?-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

Abitaman, don't bother trying to talk to me, I just skip your posts now anyway.

[Angiekay]

Abitaman, don't bother trying to talk to me, I just skip your posts now anyway.

His mom says he can't play with you anymore and he wants back his football trading cards and super decoder ring, too.

[Abitaman]

Abitaman, don't bother trying to talk to me, I just skip your posts now anyway.

what ever floats your boat dude-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

Well there are too many unanswered for me to believe this. Questions that RD said he knew of, that are not fitting in to place

4) Why was it Schon was the one who said no to this new lead singer (notice difference of who said what in 3 and 4), cause Schon wanted to keep Augeri but mgmt did not.

I think you may have this one backwards. I think Neal wanted to get rid of Steve but probably management did not. Maybe it was the other guys in the band...it was definately something Deen felt strongly about.

5) Why is it this lead singer as you put, as put it way better than PERRY, not singing, since he is under contract with the band.

That would be interesting to know. Supposedly Neal had "retain the services" of another singer in Vegas. Is he still "on the books"?

[jrnyman28]

11) You said the roadies and mgmt said Augeri's voice was so shot, that he could NEVER sing again. And after this cancelled show (in SA?) you said the new vocalist is in. Where is he?

Actually, I did not hear this. But it was never my understanding that the new guy would be in based on the February Chile show. In fact, Journey cancelling the Chile show remains the one right thing they have done.

I thought the story was that Steve had until the summer tour to get in shape or he would be replaced. When Journey announced the February show I was stunned because I find it quite possible that Steve truly was hurting. And he would not have had enough time to heal. So they schedule a show in the hopes that Steve is OK...turns out he is not yet, so they cancel. THAT all makes sense to me.

12) I forgot about the Perry part of it...Neal called Perry, asked him to come back (Begged more like it). Perry didn't give an answer for 3 days. They met in a restaurant. I believe you said you saw them, or someone you know said they saw them (could have been Augeri since the casual fan doesn't know). Anyway Perry and Schon met, and Perry flat out said NO, he wants nothing to Journey anymore, NOTHING!! Said his Journey days are over. So why haven't you mentioned that too? You got all these people down on Journey, but thinking now is a good time for Perry to come back, heck you have been leading the Perry comeback. But you have none for since the cancelled show Perry wants nothing to do with Journey, NOTHING!!!

I heard Kevin Chalfant was also approached and also turned Neal down. this is supposedly what led Neal to find an unknown guy...apparantly no one else would take the job.