Please explain the history of the alleged lip synching

[JourneyTroll]

Can someone explain when Journey was accused of lip synching at concerts?
Was this a one concert event due to illness?
Many concerts?
Who were the first to make the allegations?
How did they determine Journey may be lip synching?
Is the alleged lip syncher singing some of the songs live in concert?

Has anyone seen Journey recently to prove the allegations are true/false?

Please no personal attacks while responding.

Thanks,
Journeytroll

[Citygirl]

I saw them in Edinburgh on 2nd June. I was in the very front row and I didn't notice anything that would have made me think he was lip-synching.

Not sure exactly how this whole thing started, all I know is I went online a few days after the European gigs and it was all going on.

From what I saw at the gig, I would say it's not true. But then I may be wrong... who knows.

[A Fire Inside]

Deano suddenly stopped supporting Augeri one day, and finally J28 said that it was because he thinks Steve sings behind a backing tape from the Vegas 2001 DVD. No, not one concert, but at least a year. His 'proof' is bootlegs synched up to the 2001 DVD audio.

It just blew up from there.

[heardonthestreet]

I'm convinced that someone brought this to Dean's attention and I wish that Dean would reveal this. It will give more credence to Deans theory. Was it simply observation, rumor or someone in the know spilling the beans. Deans change of heart was too abrupt to be a long time suspicion.

[jrnysc]

I'm convinced that someone brought this to Dean's attention and I wish that Dean would reveal this. It will give more credence to Deans theory. Was it simply observation, rumor or someone in the know spilling the beans. Deans change of heart was too abrupt to be a long time suspicion.

I agree.

[Citygirl]

How do we know Deano isn't secretely involved with the band in some way?

Just a thought.

[conversationpc]

How do we know Deano isn't secretely involved with the band in some way?

Just a thought.

Ummm......I think that's highly unlikely.

[i]

How do we know Deano isn't secretely involved with the band in some way?

Just a thought.

yes, bc this has all been such good pr, lol.

[jrnyman28]

Deano was not alone in "figuring this out" but he has acted alone for the most part. There was another individual following all this but that person has chosen to stay quiet through most of this. Probably the wiser move. It started near the end of last tour and gained steam with the announcement and subsequent cancellation of the Chile Show. Once Deano heard about the private gig in Hawaii it seemed to consume Deano...

It was not based on "one" show. He was listening to boots, as was this other individual, when he/they noticed something going on. For JoePa I believe the reference to the ATL note was the shot heard round MR.com....it started there as far as I can tell.

I only spilled what I had been told because I was tired of the hints, allegations and innuendos that Deano kept dropping and I wanted his story to be in front of everyone so they could decide for themselves. Had Deano handled it all better, without the abuse, then it might have simply passed to each of "us" to decide for ourselves.

[heardonthestreet]

then it might have simply passed to each of "us" to decide for ourselves.


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I would say that this is still the case, Dave. Nobody is twisting anybodies arm.

The only thing that is worthy of speculation is Deans history of drama and in this case, it just might have been the catalyst for someone making use of Deans talent in this vain.

[barneyrubble]

No-one could seriously think that they'd be using a track from 2001 DVD can they? You'd record the backing during 2005 tour rehearsals or any studio session. The idea of the Vegas track as a source is a wind up.

Deano is Oliver Stone.

[swepett]

No-one could seriously think that they'd be using a track from 2001 DVD can they? You'd record the backing during 2005 tour rehearsals or any studio session. The idea of the Vegas track as a source is a wind up.

What would you do if the singer has had problems for a while and finally you realise you have to use tapes? The singer can't record anything new and you have to resort to somethihg old to solve the problem.

[Citygirl]

I'd get rid of him. Simple as that. Mean bitch that I am.

[Andrew]

Go away troll.

[Citygirl]

I was actually kidding, but delete it if it's gonna cause trouble.

[cetera]

It started near the end of last tour and gained steam with the announcement and subsequent cancellation of the Chile Show. Once Deano heard about the private gig in Hawaii it seemed to consume Deano...

They didn't play Chile (due to supposed flu) but they played a 'private' gig in Hawaii....
That sounds like they were gonna be paid HUGE money to play a private gig so came up with the 'flu' excuse to scrap Chile. Excuse my ignorance.... but whats' tapegate' got to do with that....?

[swepett]

They didn't play Chile (due to supposed flu) but they played a 'private' gig in Hawaii....
That sounds like they were gonna be paid HUGE money to play a private gig so came up with the 'flu' excuse to scrap Chile. Excuse my ignorance.... but whats' tapegate' got to do with that....?

I think the point was, how could they play Hawaii if they couldn't play Chile because of a flu? A flu would be as bad in Hawaii as in Chile. As for coming up with the flu just to get out of a gig, I think most contracts state a band need confirmation from a doctor to get out of a scheduled concert.

[cetera]

They didn't play Chile (due to supposed flu) but they played a 'private' gig in Hawaii....
That sounds like they were gonna be paid HUGE money to play a private gig so came up with the 'flu' excuse to scrap Chile. Excuse my ignorance.... but whats' tapegate' got to do with that....?

I think the point was, how could they play Hawaii if they couldn't play Chile because of a flu? A flu would be as bad in Hawaii as in Chile. As for coming up with the flu just to get out of a gig, I think most contracts state a band need confirmation from a doctor to get out of a scheduled concert.

I'm sure that could be arranged when there's HUGE payoff from a private gig.

[swepett]

I think the point was, how could they play Hawaii if they couldn't play Chile because of a flu? A flu would be as bad in Hawaii as in Chile. As for coming up with the flu just to get out of a gig, I think most contracts state a band need confirmation from a doctor to get out of a scheduled concert.

I'm sure that could be arranged when there's HUGE payoff from a private gig.

So which is worse, accusing the band of using tapes or accusing them of contract fraud?

[cetera]

I think the point was, how could they play Hawaii if they couldn't play Chile because of a flu? A flu would be as bad in Hawaii as in Chile. As for coming up with the flu just to get out of a gig, I think most contracts state a band need confirmation from a doctor to get out of a scheduled concert.

I'm sure that could be arranged when there's HUGE payoff from a private gig.

So which is worse, accusing the band of using tapes or accusing them of contract fraud?

That's for the individual to decide.... and I didn't say that it WAS the case. Just a possible reason for the Chile cancellation/Hawaii gig...

You could say it was an 'allegation' of possible wrongdoing....a lot like another 'allegation' that's doing the rounds here....

[Abitaman]

I'm convinced that someone brought this to Dean's attention and I wish that Dean would reveal this. It will give more credence to Deans theory. Was it simply observation, rumor or someone in the know spilling the beans. Deans change of heart was too abrupt to be a long time suspicion.

It was a former member of this board-ERIC

[Citygirl]

And did they have any connection with the band?

[jrnyman28]

It started near the end of last tour and gained steam with the announcement and subsequent cancellation of the Chile Show. Once Deano heard about the private gig in Hawaii it seemed to consume Deano...

They didn't play Chile (due to supposed flu) but they played a 'private' gig in Hawaii....
That sounds like they were gonna be paid HUGE money to play a private gig so came up with the 'flu' excuse to scrap Chile. Excuse my ignorance.... but whats' tapegate' got to do with that....?

First off, it was "supposedly" Pneumonia. But Pit alluded to something much more serious. Second, it is entirely possible that SA was nearly recovered from the ailment, but the doctor's were being cautious so the band scrubbed the Chile show giving SA one more week to recover. Also, I do not recall the specific dates, but I think there was more than a week between the two dates...but I could be wrong, won't be the first time!

[cetera]

First off, it was "supposedly" Pneumonia. But Pit alluded to something much more serious. Second, it is entirely possible that SA was nearly recovered from the ailment, but the doctor's were being cautious so the band scrubbed the Chile show giving SA one more week to recover. Also, I do not recall the specific dates, but I think there was more than a week between the two dates...but I could be wrong, won't be the first time!

If that's the case..... it sounds fair enough. Seems there is hardly a scandal to it.....