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Postby A Fire Inside » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:07 am

Maybe they just didn't want to put up with his BS anymore. :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:13 am

A Fire Inside wrote:Maybe they just didn't want to put up with his BS anymore. :lol:


Yeah, no shit. Perry had to be babysat, however, I'll take a singer who actually, ahem, sings, and is a pain in the ass, rather a "classy, nice guy" who can't sing a lick.
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Postby ohsherrie » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:16 am

SF-DANO wrote:So are you suggesting that Journey would be on the rise as opposed to on their way down if Perry was still in the band? Even with the way the music biz is today? Even with the type of music that is popular today?


No, not at all. I just think Steve knew that the best Journey could hope for was to maintain and preserve the integrity of their legacy and he knew that wouldn't happen if Jon and Neal did, well, what they've done.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:20 am

Journeynut wrote:
JDouglee wrote:
But I don't agree that he should have held them in limbo not telling them anything...


Especially when Perry's $ million dollar advance stipulated a tour was to support the album.

Which he accepted.


I always wondered how SP got out of those contracts with the TBF tours etc.
They just let him out? He had valid legal grounds to break the contract?
I have a hard time believing they just let it go.


Journey had to pay most of their advance money back. Break a contract, pay the cost.
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Postby junky » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:20 am

Journeynut wrote:
JDouglee wrote:
But I don't agree that he should have held them in limbo not telling them anything...


Especially when Perry's $ million dollar advance stipulated a tour was to support the album.

Which he accepted.


I always wondered how SP got out of those contracts with the TBF tours etc.
They just let him out? He had valid legal grounds to break the contract?
I have a hard time believing they just let it go.


Doctor's note??
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Postby whocares » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:21 am

With Perry still at the helm, NEW Journey would get played on the radio though. That's something that isn't happening much these days, if at all. The DJ would have to be a hardcore Journey fan that doesn't care who is the lead singer is, to play newer stuff. How often do you hear songs form Late Night on the radio? Granted it was Neal doing Neal's thing, and if you don't like it then who cares, which is pretty much what they are saying about the nwer stuff with S.A. in the band. Neal's and even Jon's (possibly by design) solo material doesn't make mainstream radio. Perry's solo stuff is still heard on the radio 22 years after it was first released.

But we ALL know Perry doesn't belong in Journey anymore, if only for his own good. And even if some of the fans don't want to believe it. It says a lot that they don't do much of the newer material, even as far back as ROR, which had plenty of great music on it (my opinion).

Neal's making a mockery of the band, whether it's him pulling the strings or not. Azoff must really have him bent over a barrell...

As for TBF contracts, there are almost always clauses to get out of a contract, whether it's paying money back or not. I dare say, NO ONE here knows exactly what went on, even if they think they do.
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Postby Eric » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:31 am

1) I believe Smith said he knew without Perry there would be a rebuilding phase, and preferred his successful Jazz career over starting from scratch. Based on everything I have read - I believe he is a supporter of the new Journey.

2) How aided was Schon when he said "if Lou could do it, Perry could"?

3) Journey would have a massive presence in SOFT ROCK radio with Perry. Rock radio would not touch it.

4) How do we know Azoff has such control?

5) Please consider the ages of the band members when you criticize them for not waiting through another indefinite Perry wait.
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Postby whocares » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:36 am

I'd like to know when Neal Saw Lou Gramm sing after Surgery, because I paid to see them, not knowing what had happened, and they sounded like a huge pile of shit. Lou mumbled through part of lyrics and talked the rest of them. At the concert I saw. Not to mention bringing his doctor out on stage... It was almost as big a fiasco as when Kansas toured with Steve Walsh who'd had problems with his voice, more for drugs according to him, than anything and a second lead singer.
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Postby Moon Beam » Sat Jul 01, 2006 3:47 am

jrnyjunky wrote:
Journeynut wrote:
JDouglee wrote:
But I don't agree that he should have held them in limbo not telling them anything...


Especially when Perry's $ million dollar advance stipulated a tour was to support the album.

Which he accepted.


I always wondered how SP got out of those contracts with the TBF tours etc.
They just let him out? He had valid legal grounds to break the contract?
I have a hard time believing they just let it go.


Doctor's note??


:lol: Now that was funny, Thanks
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Postby jrnyman28 » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:08 am

whocares wrote:With Perry still at the helm, NEW Journey would get played on the radio though.


Actually you are guessing...but it is a safe guess. With Perry still in the band I am sure Sony would still be their label and there would still be promotion ensuring radio play.

whocares wrote:That's something that isn't happening much these days, if at all. The DJ would have to be a hardcore Journey fan that doesn't care who is the lead singer is, to play newer stuff.


Doesn't really matter what the DJ thinks. Radio play costs money, the kind of money only big record labels have. It takes promotion from those companies. It takes

whocares wrote:How often do you hear songs form Late Night on the radio? Granted it was Neal doing Neal's thing, and if you don't like it then who cares, which is pretty much what they are saying about the nwer stuff with S.A. in the band. Neal's and even Jon's (possibly by design) solo material doesn't make mainstream radio.


Still boils down to a label. There was much more support of Perry's solo work from Columbia than anyone else has. They are all on small labels. And they are not making mainstream music either.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:10 am

whocares wrote:I'd like to know when Neal Saw Lou Gramm sing after Surgery, because I paid to see them, not knowing what had happened, and they sounded like a huge pile of shit. Lou mumbled through part of lyrics and talked the rest of them. At the concert I saw. Not to mention bringing his doctor out on stage... It was almost as big a fiasco as when Kansas toured with Steve Walsh who'd had problems with his voice, more for drugs according to him, than anything and a second lead singer.


At the Red Rocks show. Lou sounded good. He had lost some of his "strength" due as much to age as anything else. But he was rather impressive given the fact that he had just had the brain surgery within the last year.
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Postby Journeynut » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:34 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
Journeynut wrote:
JDouglee wrote:
But I don't agree that he should have held them in limbo not telling them anything...


Especially when Perry's $ million dollar advance stipulated a tour was to support the album.

Which he accepted.


I always wondered how SP got out of those contracts with the TBF tours etc.
They just let him out? He had valid legal grounds to break the contract?
I have a hard time believing they just let it go.


Journey had to pay most of their advance money back. Break a contract, pay the cost.



This is fact or your conjecture?
Anyway, what was I saying.........
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Postby jrnyman28 » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:01 am

I remember it reported that Journey had to repay most of their advance...I thought it was in the BTM but I don't remember for sure.
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Postby ohsherrie » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:11 am

jrnyman28 wrote:I remember it reported that Journey had to repay most of their advance...I thought it was in the BTM but I don't remember for sure.


It wasn't in the BTM, either version. The band and Perry have repeatedly declined to answer any questions about those negotiation and contractual agreements. That leaves HH if it was really ever said by anyone who would really know.
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Postby perryfaithful » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:38 am

Boy, I feel back in time, maybe VH1 days, BTM is fresh and Journeynut, ohsherrie, 28 and I are yaking about Journey moving forward without Steve Perry! Hope you all have a nice 4th of July weekend!!
"In Journey, all the hit songs we had were based around Steve Perry's vocals."

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Postby Jeremey » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:14 am

jrnyman28 wrote:I remember it reported that Journey had to repay most of their advance...I thought it was in the BTM but I don't remember for sure.


In nearly every situation I could imagine, a record company's advance is against future sales of the record only. I couldn't imagine a record company trying to recoup an advance off of touring profits. Keep in mind, the million bucks pays for EVERYTHING - the studio time, the packaging, Kevin Shirley's expenses and fees, plus, give Irving at least $250,000 off the top of that. The million bucks was spent long before the record hit the charts. When a record sells, that money goes right back to the record company to pay off the advance. Since Jonathan, Steve, & Neal all own their own publishing, they made some money off the top of that, but the only money they would have seen would have been from touring profits.
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Postby ohsherrie » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:38 am

perryfaithful wrote:Boy, I feel back in time, maybe VH1 days, BTM is fresh and Journeynut, ohsherrie, 28 and I are yaking about Journey moving forward without Steve Perry! Hope you all have a nice 4th of July weekend!!



I've been thinking the same thing PF. It's deja vu all over again. :lol:
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Postby heardonthestreet » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:35 am

ohsherrie wrote:
perryfaithful wrote:Boy, I feel back in time, maybe VH1 days, BTM is fresh and Journeynut, ohsherrie, 28 and I are yaking about Journey moving forward without Steve Perry! Hope you all have a nice 4th of July weekend!!



I've been thinking the same thing PF. It's deja vu all over again. :lol:


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Postby perryfaithful » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:48 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
perryfaithful wrote:Boy, I feel back in time, maybe VH1 days, BTM is fresh and Journeynut, ohsherrie, 28 and I are yaking about Journey moving forward without Steve Perry! Hope you all have a nice 4th of July weekend!!



I've been thinking the same thing PF. It's deja vu all over again. :lol:


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Hey, me and monker are here too! :cry:


oops! Sorry HOTS! ...and Monker too
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Postby TRAGChick » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:59 am

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heardonthestreet wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
perryfaithful wrote:Boy, I feel back in time, maybe VH1 days, BTM is fresh and Journeynut, ohsherrie, 28 and I are yaking about Journey moving forward without Steve Perry! Hope you all have a nice 4th of July weekend!!



I've been thinking the same thing PF. It's deja vu all over again. :lol:


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Hey, me and monker are here too! :cry:


oops! Sorry HOTS! ...and Monker too


AND me!! :shock: :wink:

Back then, I was "sngrchk".....
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Postby Journeynut » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:40 am

Yes it was dejavu and nice to see everyone again. I cannot believe the YEARS that have flown by!|
Have a happy 4th weekend.
Anyway, what was I saying.........
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