Listening To Red13:

by **Red13JoePa** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:20 am

Topic change, God forbid :roll:

before it inevitably becomes about tapegate, who knows who Walking Away From The Edge was written about? And if you know, was it drugs and/or alcohol? I've been tough on this song before, but it is a major departure from the power ballad formula (which still works amazingly, no doubt, evidenced by Knowing That You Love Me). It's actually really growing on me. The Time it ain't but I can get into the ass-kickingness of that tune later.

by **conversationpc** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:43 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Topic change, God forbid before it inevitably becomes about tapegate, who knows who Walking Away From The Edge was written about? And if you know, was it drugs and/or alcohol? I've been tough on this song before, but it is a major departure from the power ballad formula (which still works amazingly, no doubt, evidenced by Knowing That You Love Me). It's actually really growing on me. The Time it ain't but I can get into the ass-kickingness of that tune later.

I love that tune. It kinda reminds me of "Livin' to Do" from "Arrival", which is also very good (and the highlight of the "Arrival" tour, in my opinion). Considering the guys wrote "Never too Late" for Deen, perhaps this was written for him as well while he was still struggling with the demons in his mind.

by **RossValoryRocks** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:23 am

Jon Cain told me it was written for Greg Allman.

by *Laura » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:41 am

I also remember reading about this song being co-written by Geoff Tate of Queensryche and looks like it was the first track that Augeri recorded with Journey...Something like in the first week after he got in the band.

by **Memorex** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:14 am

Best post-Perry song, in my opinion.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:35 am

Appreciate it, Memorex.

WAFTE definately has its merits. It is a lot like Living To Do off Arrival, another non-power ballad with major blues tinge (one of SA's strong singing points IMO). Not to get off -topic, but Cain at the end of LTD.....WOW. Maybe his finest hour, on an organ no less. Perfect channeling of Greg Rolie.

by **Abitaman** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:54 am

Read in some interview, the song was about Deen, and maybe Deano too

-ERIC

by **RossValoryRocks** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:56 am

Abitaman wrote:Read in some interview, the song was about Deen, and maybe Deano too -ERIC

Ok...what part of Jon Cain told me, to my face, it was about Greg Allman did everyone miss?

Dean does it take it to heart though. It's his theme song, along with Never Too Late.

by **JrnySuxBalls** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:12 pm

Red 13 has some great moments, I wish they would have continued in that direction.

by **Red13JoePa** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:21 am

The Time has Neal Schon's most menacing guitars ever. The lead, the rythm and the fills all spectacular while being dirty, tough and gritty. One of my favorite dirty aggressive riffs is the part right after "Sit in a sun shower, after all it's only rain..." Neal's axe: BBBBBRRRRRRR
NNNNNNNRRRRR NNNNNNNRRRRRRR
NNNNNNNRRRRRRRR
Love it.

by **JrnySuxBalls** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:59 am

Red13JoePa wrote:The Time has Neal Schon's most menacing guitars ever. The lead, the rythm and the fills all spectacular while being dirty, tough and gritty. One of my favorite dirty aggressive riffs is the part right after "Sit in a sun shower, after all it's only rain..." Neal's axe: BBBBBRRRRRRR
NNNNNNNRRRRR NNNNNNNRRRRRRR
NNNNNNNRRRRRRRR
Love it.

+1

by **Distant Voice** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:13 am

Shania wrote:I also remember reading about this song being co-written by Geoff Tate of Queensryche and looks like it was the first track that Augeri recorded with Journey...Something like in the first week after he got in the band.

Not that I care, because I really dont,

But according to certain people in the business, it was a song written by Geoff Tate/ Jack Blades
Neal Schon was receiving alot of help from Blades at one point, this was one of the songs he presented to Journey, the band dedicated this song about the use of Deen Castronovos past drug abuse, and near fatal overdose.

(Note) this is 2nd hand info and I have no proof of this...

by **whocares** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:34 am

you shoulda talked to Jon Cain to confirm it... :wink:

j/k - I'm not jumping on you about this, Distant. I find it funny when people say this band member told me...

As Herbie Herbert said in his recent interview, "no one read the credits anymore."

This is the way it's listed - (Cain/Schon/Pessis)

by **Distant Voice** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:06 am

whocares wrote:you shoulda talked to Jon Cain to confirm it...

j/k - I'm not jumping on you about this, Distant. I find it funny when people say this band member told me...

As Herbie Herbert said in his recent interview, "no one read the credits anymore."

This is the way it's listed - (Cain/Schon/Pessis)

Unfortunately, alot of bands get songs, then change the lyric content a little, and somehow feel good about calling it their own, but I tend to believe this originated as a Tate/ Blades project.

by **whocares** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:16 am

I totally agree about changing and calling it their own. I hope that they gave credit financially to the other's though, if that's the case. No idea who Pessis is.

by **Abitaman** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:50 am

Distant Voice wrote:
Shania wrote:I also remember reading about this song being co-written by Geoff Tate of Queensryche and looks like it was the first track that Augeri recorded with Journey...Something like in the first week after he got in the band.

Not that I care, because I really dont,

But according to certain people in the business, it was a song written by Geoff Tate/ Jack Blades
Neal Schon was receiving alot of help from Blades at one point, this was one of the songs he presented to Journey, the band dedicated this song about the use of Deen Castronovos past drug abuse, and near fatal overdose.

(Note) this is 2nd hand info and I have no proof of this...

then why bring it up. More second hand news to kick them even more-ERIC

by **Distant Voice** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:30 pm

Abitaman wrote:
Distant Voice wrote:
Shania wrote:I also remember reading about this song being co-written by Geoff Tate of Queensryche and looks like it was the first track that Augeri recorded with Journey...Something like in the first week after he got in the band.

Not that I care, because I really dont,

But according to certain people in the business, it was a song written by Geoff Tate/ Jack Blades
Neal Schon was receiving alot of help from Blades at one point, this was one of the songs he presented to Journey, the band dedicated this song about the use of Deen Castronovos past drug abuse, and near fatal overdose.

(Note) this is 2nd hand info and I have no proof of this...
then why bring it up. More second hand news to kick them even more-ERICA

Re-Read what was posted by shania, I was just trying to answer her with information that was circulating by certain insiders closer to the band.

by **yak** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:15 pm

Distant Voice wrote:
by the way about your photo next to your screen name, are you posing with another woman? which one are you? the oriental girl or the white girl?

Totally uncalled for comment...on your part. And an insult to Joe's thread.

by **Red13JoePa** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:19 pm

I don't think it's about Deen....woulda been a little too close to home maybe. I think like RVR said it's Alman or some no namer we don't know of.

by **conversationpc** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:59 pm

yak wrote:
Distant Voice wrote:
by the way about your photo next to your screen name, are you posing with another woman? which one are you? the oriental girl or the white girl?

Totally uncalled for comment...on your part. And an insult to Joe's thread.

I agree. That's completely unnecessary. :evil:

MR

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