This tour sucks

[A Fire Inside]

I'm new here so just a question Yak; what is a "loonbrigade"? You accussed me of being a "loon" the 1st day. Is it because I'm a SP fan? If so thats sad because every JRNY fan I would think would be a fan of SP at least at some point. So why all the attacks? Could that be your agenda? I for one cant think of any reason for an "agenda". Thought everyone here is just a Jrny fan with opinions

No, the 'loons' are the Perry fans who remain stubbornly "loyal" to him no matter what he says and does. "It's not Journey without Steve Perry" and "cracked the stone" are their favorite phrases.

And the other band members are just "sidemen".

Yeah, Perry's backup musicians...

[Red13JoePa]

yea, "For chrissake TURN DOWN NEAL'S AMPS!!!!!"

[NealIsGod]

:lol: yea, "For chrissake TURN DOWN NEAL'S AMPS!!!!!"

Shit, that's funny.

[NoMoreTails]

I'm new here so just a question Yak; what is a "loonbrigade"? You accussed me of being a "loon" the 1st day. Is it because I'm a SP fan? If so thats sad because every JRNY fan I would think would be a fan of SP at least at some point. So why all the attacks? Could that be your agenda? I for one cant think of any reason for an "agenda". Thought everyone here is just a Jrny fan with opinions

No, the 'loons' are the Perry fans who remain stubbornly "loyal" to him no matter what he says and does. "It's not Journey without Steve Perry" and "cracked the stone" are their favorite phrases.

And the other band members are just "sidemen".

And Neal is not a master on the guitar...without Perry telling him what to play (believe it was stated Clapton was just ok too)...why didn't Perry play all the instruments on Journey albums???

[Blueskies]

Thanks for the clairification!

[Red13JoePa]

:lol: yea, "For chrissake TURN DOWN NEAL'S AMPS!!!!!"

Shit, that's funny.

God, when he's THAT loud I can't hear THE VOICE's sensous diaphramal expulsions between words . Just Neal, gratuitously stumming and filling away





I'm KIDDING, all

have some fun, right NMT?

[Blueskies]

:lol: yea, "For chrissake TURN DOWN NEAL'S AMPS!!!!!"

Shit, that's funny.

God, when he's THAT loud I can't hear THE VOICE's sensous diaphramal expulsions between words . Just Neal, gratuitously stumming and filling away
from a female perspective ya gotta luv those "sensous diaphramal expulsions"!LOL!




I'm KIDDING, all

have some fun, right NMT?

[Red13JoePa]

HAAA! Hey, maybe all this time, they actually DID come from Neal strumming and filling away.

[daltonsdad]

I'm new here so just a question Yak; what is a "loonbrigade"? You accussed me of being a "loon" the 1st day. Is it because I'm a SP fan? If so thats sad because every JRNY fan I would think would be a fan of SP at least at some point. So why all the attacks? Could that be your agenda? I for one cant think of any reason for an "agenda". Thought everyone here is just a Jrny fan with opinions

No, the 'loons' are the Perry fans who remain stubbornly "loyal" to him no matter what he says and does. "It's not Journey without Steve Perry" and "cracked the stone" are their favorite phrases.

You are what I would describe as one who assumes and when you assume....Not everyone is Perry obsessed but it seems if anyone gives a dissenting opinion of the Journey Generation 4, they are a loon. cracking the stone I haven't read but I have quoted Perry from his VH1 interview where he states in a discussion with Neal about carrying on he asked him to go on under a different name and to not "Fracture" the reputation and name of Journey. I have been a fan of Journey since Infinity and I have seen them a number of times mostly w/Perry, once with SA and once with Soto. I simply believe Soto cannot hold a candle to either of the 2. I know about the tapes so spare me the historical review. I love Journey and I want them to carry on, but not at any cost That cost is to the fnas as they are raking big bux). There have been 2 reviews of people who didn't like the shows in 2 different places. Both were pounded and called Perry Followers, Kool AID etc. The boot thread has a number of comments stating exactly what we both in our reviews had stated. Not everyone is stuck in the Perry era, I admit I loved it and its why I ever bought a Journey cd to begin with. I consequently had moved on and accepted Steve A.

I only wrote the review for those who may have been going with very high expectations of SA, whom I built up to all I spoke with including my son. I stated he was an excellent replacement and they would really like his voice. Then we got the announcement of Soto. I didn't like it and the reaction some of the posters got in Wheel, Lights etc was the exact reaction I had at the show! If you are a casual fan and not a diuehard you will enjoy the show because you will never know what's up. If you are a person who listens and digests entire shows, the sound, the lack of chemistry and the reactions of the band members on a sour note will be painfully obvious. Maybe SOto will improve over time but as many have noted is voice is just not suited for this tone/pitch/melody. He may be great in other gigs, but this wasn't one where his talents shine through. As for turning Neal down, (it was funny),. but exactly what I eluded to. At the show, they turned Soto doown and Neal and the boys up! The mixed his voice almost to half the volume of the first 2 songs!

Enjoy the show. Maybe Deen will sing even more songs going forth.

[whocares]

Which is why a Rock n Roll "star" should never be talked up as being anything more than a human being. It's all a bunch of huffing and puffing in the end and because people are let down when they go, because they built the singer up to their child or spouse, friend or whomever. "talking someone up" and how great they are, are of course just personal opinions, doesn't make them right or wrong, but eventually someone will be let down.

[daltonsdad]

Which is why a Rock n Roll "star" should never be talked up as being anything more than a human being. It's all a bunch of huffing and puffing in the end and because people are let down when they go, because they built the singer up to their child or spouse, friend or whomever. "talking someone up" and how great they are, are of course just personal opinions, doesn't make them right or wrong, but eventually someone will be let down.

I talked up Sammy Hagar, Van Halen, The Eagles, Joe Walsh, & Don Henley! They all delivered beyond mine & my son's expectations. I simply tell him of how they have helped shape my life through making me feel very good and positive even during bad times and let him know music is a great release and helps one regain their strength much faster. The problem is when one expects Steve A, (who sounded very live to me in person) and minutes before they come on & announce a replacement, and then the replacement delivers an off key, over sung version of great songs, one is disappointed!

[whocares]

DD, I appreciate the fact that you pointed out that Music helps "heal". I'm not getting on ya, just hope you understand that, just saying that musicians and singers, heck entertainers in general, shouldn't be held to too high a regard. You never know when something like what happened when you saw them, will happen.

Music is an extremely powerful "tool", for many reasons, and in many ways. It can either lift you up when you are at your lowest, or take you down when you are at your highest level.

[daltonsdad]

DD, I appreciate the fact that you pointed out that Music helps "heal". I'm not getting on ya, just hope you understand that, just saying that musicians and singers, heck entertainers in general, shouldn't be held to too high a regard. You never know when something like what happened when you saw them, will happen.

Music is an extremely powerful "tool", for many reasons, and in many ways. It can either lift you up when you are at your lowest, or take you down when you are at your highest level.

I didn't mean to sound defensive. I agree, I am his role model, but as a kid starting to learn to play the guitar, (which was recently derailed Friday night by a multiple break of his right arm, Damn Skateboards! LOL!) I like to show him what it's all about. I also believe music helps empower people and brings out positive feelings along with great energy. At least for me it makes me feel very good and upbeat. (except when you are gong thru the breakups and every song reminds you of the other, LOL!) He is an awesome kid and I am just trying to build memories with him and let him see some of the geezers from my era! He absolutely loved the Eagles & Van Halen! Next memory will be Aerosmith & The Crue on 9/30/06 God willing! I think sometimes I may overdo it just because I get so damned excited for him! I remember my first concerts and I guess those memories are why I go overboard! I also like to set a positive tone for the experience he is about to have. I didn't tell him of the drunken idiots, fighting, chix etc as I thought we'd try to overlook those! LOL! Unfortunately, (or fortunately on the chix side) he saw it all at the Journey show!

Don't get me wrong, we had a great time being together and were quite entertained by a very nice looking lady who shared our blanket. The music was great and the whole experience was enlightening I am for certain. He had never believed his old dad used to get the ladies and had never heard women tell him his dad was hot! LOL! I think he is still haken up by that but I hope it wasn't too traumatic. Don't all kids think their parents are dorks? LOL!

Anyways, music is just another great way to have life experiences and good times along with the trips to NYC, Disneyworld and the likes! I have however created a concert junkie!

[whocares]

Yes, kids think their parents are dorks, but they should be the role models for sure, Definately not Entertainers as some people in the world think they should be. I don't have a problem looking up to someone as say a psuedo-hero type, as long as it's not for actual guidance in life. So Dad has a hottie, the boy's got to realize that's part of life to.

Last year at Journey's concert, I was singing Faithfully to my wife over the cell phone, when a drunken woman was sent to me by my brother, to dance with me. I caught shit the rest of the night for shooing her away and telling her off while I was spending time "with" my wife. I have no idea if that woman was hot, but I have to say, it's scary even to me, the way some of the women who are way past their prime think they look sexy when they dress down. yikes. I've seen some "hotties" at plenty of concerts and you wonder if they are dressing that way for themselves sometimes, or for everyone else.

My first REAL concert was Billy Joel in 1979, I was in the next to last row at the arena. I wished to hell I was in the last, because behind me was an awful drunk, who spilled as much beer on my brother and I as he drank.

By the way, I didn't think you were being defensive, just pointing things out on each side. as it should be.

[A Fire Inside]

You are what I would describe as one who assumes and when you assume....Not everyone is Perry obsessed but it seems if anyone gives a dissenting opinion of the Journey Generation 4, they are a loon. cracking the stone I haven't read but I have quoted Perry from his VH1 interview where he states in a discussion with Neal about carrying on he asked him to go on under a different name and to not "Fracture" the reputation and name of Journey. I have been a fan of Journey since Infinity and I have seen them a number of times mostly w/Perry, once with SA and once with Soto. I simply believe Soto cannot hold a candle to either of the 2. I know about the tapes so spare me the historical review. I love Journey and I want them to carry on, but not at any cost That cost is to the fnas as they are raking big bux). There have been 2 reviews of people who didn't like the shows in 2 different places. Both were pounded and called Perry Followers, Kool AID etc. The boot thread has a number of comments stating exactly what we both in our reviews had stated. Not everyone is stuck in the Perry era, I admit I loved it and its why I ever bought a Journey cd to begin with. I consequently had moved on and accepted Steve A.

I only wrote the review for those who may have been going with very high expectations of SA, whom I built up to all I spoke with including my son. I stated he was an excellent replacement and they would really like his voice. Then we got the announcement of Soto. I didn't like it and the reaction some of the posters got in Wheel, Lights etc was the exact reaction I had at the show! If you are a casual fan and not a diuehard you will enjoy the show because you will never know what's up. If you are a person who listens and digests entire shows, the sound, the lack of chemistry and the reactions of the band members on a sour note will be painfully obvious. Maybe SOto will improve over time but as many have noted is voice is just not suited for this tone/pitch/melody. He may be great in other gigs, but this wasn't one where his talents shine through. As for turning Neal down, (it was funny),. but exactly what I eluded to. At the show, they turned Soto doown and Neal and the boys up! The mixed his voice almost to half the volume of the first 2 songs!

Enjoy the show. Maybe Deen will sing even more songs going forth.

Actually, I was explaining what the term 'loon' means as used by this board (she asked Yak what it was). I didn't make the name up and I never said I support it or use it. Just giving an explanation.

[whocares]

Actually, I was explaining what the term 'loon' means as used by this board (she asked Yak what it was). I didn't make the name up and I never said I support it or use it. Just giving an explanation.

ahhh, hypocrite time. You don't want other people answering posts or questions you ask of other's but it's ok for you to jump in and post when someone else is being asked a question. Makes perfect sense.

[A Fire Inside]

ahhh, hypocrite time. You don't want other people answering posts or questions you ask of other's but it's ok for you to jump in and post when someone else is being asked a question. Makes perfect sense.

wildone didn't even understand the point of the thread to answer my question. I understand perfectly what a 'loon' is. There is a difference.

This chick could have told me to stfu and let Yak answer, that would be fine.

[yak]

ahhh, hypocrite time. You don't want other people answering posts or questions you ask of other's but it's ok for you to jump in and post when someone else is being asked a question. Makes perfect sense.

wildone didn't even understand the point of the thread to answer my question. I understand perfectly what a 'loon' is. There is a difference.

This chick could have told me to stfu and let Yak answer, that would be fine.

It's a term of "endearment" if you will, and it was used by many posters, and simply describes the Perry fans in their constant state of lunacy, since they can never see past anything Perry, and constantly use(d) this board to promote their Perry agenda.....and discredit anything Journey.... I don't have an agenda.

And it's perfectly fine with me if AFI "jumped" in. Lighten up! Some of us have been here awhile, and know the answers to questions others are being asked.

Big stuff going on in the world......besides this message board....Have you seen the news?

[Fernando Ramirez]

I told you why I thought it sucked in the 1st post of this thread, so you did'nt read everything. Duh... my name here should have told you I am a Steve Perry fan. What's that got to do with my opinion of this tour? SP was'nt the one singing. It' the JSS fans now that cant take a little criticism, which is really funny. Now they can relate to SA fans who I think, even as a SP fan, did a better job at JRNY's sound. I'm a realist, so if I said I thought it sucked, that's what I meant. Oh yeah, I also said that everyone should go and judge for themselves, then they would have a real opinion and we could agree or disagree.

Dude, I read everything.

You don't like JSS, fine. I don't give a RA about that. Contrary to what you think, JSS fans can take criticism. But maybe we should apologize since we expect something more profound than THIS TOUR SUCKS.

[daltonsdad]

I told you why I thought it sucked in the 1st post of this thread, so you did'nt read everything. Duh... my name here should have told you I am a Steve Perry fan. What's that got to do with my opinion of this tour? SP was'nt the one singing. It' the JSS fans now that cant take a little criticism, which is really funny. Now they can relate to SA fans who I think, even as a SP fan, did a better job at JRNY's sound. I'm a realist, so if I said I thought it sucked, that's what I meant. Oh yeah, I also said that everyone should go and judge for themselves, then they would have a real opinion and we could agree or disagree.

Dude, I read everything.

You don't like JSS, fine. I don't give a RA about that. Contrary to what you think, JSS fans can take criticism. But maybe we should apologize since we expect something more profound than THIS TOUR SUCKS.

By the responses to those listening to both boots it sounds as if suddenly our reviews have credibility. I have just went through the marathon of d/l all the files to support the boot and I want to see if what I thought I heard in Bristow is actually what they heard as well! I have no agenda but to give folks an honest view of the happenings with the new front man. I hesitate to use the word singer but I may be swayed in the recent boot! Only time will tell!

[Fernando Ramirez]

By the responses to those listening to both boots it sounds as if suddenly our reviews have credibility. I have just went through the marathon of d/l all the files to support the boot and I want to see if what I thought I heard in Bristow is actually what they heard as well! I have no agenda but to give folks an honest view of the happenings with the new front man. I hesitate to use the word singer but I may be swayed in the recent boot! Only time will tell!

Daltosdad, I can appreciate your comments. I'll keep it in mind. I've read a lot of your posts, and I can respect what you write because you always write stuff that's insightful. I appreciate your honesty. You give us more than THIS TOUR SUCKS, and so we can take you more seriously.

I haven't been able to hear any of the JSS boots yet. I will be seeing the show in 2 weeks, so I'll report in after that.

[RedWingFan]

I haven't been able to hear any of the JSS boots yet. I will be seeing the show in 2 weeks, so I'll report in after that.

Fernando, I'm going to the Indy show on 7/22 and just listened to the Charlotte boot of "Be Good To Yourself." I am quite convinced I could do better, I can say this knowing how bad I am. What makes it worse is knowing it's not the lack of quality of the boot (the band and background sound great) I hope I don't get 80 mins. of this after a 4 hr drive! Hopefully the Lep will play Switch625... Please let this be a good show!

[daltonsdad]

I haven't been able to hear any of the JSS boots yet. I will be seeing the show in 2 weeks, so I'll report in after that.

Fernando, I'm going to the Indy show on 7/22 and just listened to the Charlotte boot of "Be Good To Yourself." I am quite convinced I could do better, I can say this knowing how bad I am. What makes it worse is knowing it's not the lack of quality of the boot (the band and background sound great) I hope I don't get 80 mins. of this after a 4 hr drive! Hopefully the Lep will play Switch625... Please let this be a good show!

Let us all know how it sounds. It appears the drunker you are the better so load up! LOL! The boots? Eoucccch! Deafening and not in the old fashioned Van Halen blow your ass outta the seat kinda way! I love Indianapolis, I am formerly an Indiana boy and miss the kind people there. (And the cheap living! LOL!)

Hopefully Def will break out Lady Strange. If they do I am gonna feel cheated LOL! Get a boot so I can cut a cd of the live performance. The new Lep seems to be catering to the Bubble Gum crowd, not much from Hello America (Rock Brigade) or High N Dry although they did play one or 2 songs. I was shocked Bringin on the heartache wasn't played. They did play some cover tunes from the "new" album but I wanted to rock! They were still good, a bit older and less energetic but I will forever love Joe Elliott's voice! I could have done without the closeup of Rick Savage's bulging belly when he had a guitar solo! LOL! I also admire Rick Allen's one armed drumming. Man what a heart that guy has! Truly inspiring.

[Blueskies]

I told you why I thought it sucked in the 1st post of this thread, so you did'nt read everything. Duh... my name here should have told you I am a Steve Perry fan. What's that got to do with my opinion of this tour? SP was'nt the one singing. It' the JSS fans now that cant take a little criticism, which is really funny. Now they can relate to SA fans who I think, even as a SP fan, did a better job at JRNY's sound. I'm a realist, so if I said I thought it sucked, that's what I meant. Oh yeah, I also said that everyone should go and judge for themselves, then they would have a real opinion and we could agree or disagree.

Dude, I read everything.

You don't like JSS, fine. I don't give a RA about that. Contrary to what you think, JSS fans can take criticism. But maybe we should apologize since we expect something more profound than THIS TOUR SUCKS.

Sorry I can't "wax philosophical" about this tour for your benefit. I've been a consumer of JRNY's product since 78, but this year I'm not happy with what their trying to sell. I might be blunt about it, but I'm not a kool-aid drinker. (Oh, bye the way, I'm not a DUDE, dude. see you did'nt read everything,you jumped the gun) I hope for JRNY that you have a great concert

[Fernando Ramirez]

Sorry I can't "wax philosophical" about this tour for your benefit. I've been a consumer of JRNY's product since 78, but this year I'm not happy with what their trying to sell. I might be blunt about it, but I'm not a kool-aid drinker. (Oh, bye the way, I'm not a DUDE, dude. see you did'nt read everything,you jumped the gun) I hope for JRNY that you have a great concert

Sorry, it's hard to tell who's who with the monikers! Okay, then, I'll admit I was pissed to see your title. But your hope for a great concert did mean a lot, so thanks, I appreciate it. I guess I don't like what I'm reading, and as a hardcore JSS fan, it hits close to home.

But since you've been a JOURNEY fan since '78, I really can appreciate your viewpoint. I love the band through and through.... from Perry (who is admittedly in the Hall of Fame of singers in my mind), to Augeri (love TALL STORIES and all of his JOURNEY output), right through to JSS. I don't think of you as a .. what is the term, LOON? Maybe we can have some good discussion of JOURNEY sometime soon.

[Fernando Ramirez]

Fernando, I'm going to the Indy show on 7/22 and just listened to the Charlotte boot of "Be Good To Yourself." I am quite convinced I could do better, I can say this knowing how bad I am. What makes it worse is knowing it's not the lack of quality of the boot (the band and background sound great) I hope I don't get 80 mins. of this after a 4 hr drive! Hopefully the Lep will play Switch625... Please let this be a good show!

Would love to hear your thoughts on the show, which is coming up fast! If you can sing BGTY better, then you must be a hell of a singer! I've recorded some tracks of my own singing JOURNEY songs, and it's like going to school! It is humbling beyond belief. It makes me appreciate Perry's work. He's a TOUGH act to follow, he did such a great job... nobody can do it as good as he did back in the day.

I am also a big Mutt Lange fan, so I'm interested in seeing LEPP for the first time. This is a great double-bill for me. I am hoping I hear HYSTERIA, which is one of my favorite tracks.

[Fernando Ramirez]

They were still good, a bit older and less energetic but I will forever love Joe Elliott's voice! I could have done without the closeup of Rick Savage's bulging belly when he had a guitar solo! LOL! I also admire Rick Allen's one armed drumming. Man what a heart that guy has! Truly inspiring.

Rick Allen is definitely an inspiring person... I like hearing / reading his interviews. Ever noticed how he sounds so American?

I've never expected much of Joe's vocals in concert. I think he's so much better in the studio. Especially when he uses autotune like he does on PROMISES off of EUPHORIA. No way he could sing that high, that perfect on those parts torwards the end of the song!

I actually saw Def Leppard before here in San Antonio. When EUPHORIA was released, they did a few free concerts in front of WAL MARTs across America, I think. Sure enough, they played the parking lot of a pretty new WAL MART here in San Antonio, and I'm not kidding, a SHIT LOAD of people showed up. It took like 2 hours to clear the parking lot after they did their 6 or 7 songs. I remember they introduced one of their new songs, and me and my friend looked at each other.... it sounded just like PHOTOGRAPH! Anyway, it was a fun time, and I got to buy the CD and enjoy the actual band playing a few songs.

Looking forward to seeing them in the next two weeks.

[Blueskies]

Sorry I can't "wax philosophical" about this tour for your benefit. I've been a consumer of JRNY's product since 78, but this year I'm not happy with what their trying to sell. I might be blunt about it, but I'm not a kool-aid drinker. (Oh, bye the way, I'm not a DUDE, dude. see you did'nt read everything,you jumped the gun) I hope for JRNY that you have a great concert

Sorry, it's hard to tell who's who with the monikers! Okay, then, I'll admit I was pissed to see your title. But your hope for a great concert did mean a lot, so thanks, I appreciate it. I guess I don't like what I'm reading, and as a hardcore JSS fan, it hits close to home.

But since you've been a JOURNEY fan since '78, I really can appreciate your viewpoint. I love the band through and through.... from Perry (who is admittedly in the Hall of Fame of singers in my mind), to Augeri (love TALL STORIES and all of his JOURNEY output), right through to JSS. I don't think of you as a .. what is the term, LOON? Maybe we can have some good discussion of JOURNEY sometime soon.

Thanks guy. I appreciate your post. I too was pissed after my concert and with everything thats been going on this tour, so I should have phrased it a little more delicately I suppose but I still stand by what I've said on my posts. I have also said more than once, that I think JSS is a good singer from what I've heard from him before this tour. It's that I don't feel he's a good fit in JRNY IMO. I give him props for stepping in but would not like to see him hurt his voice from it. If your also a singer then you know how difficult these tunes are in Perry's range, can think of very few who could maybe do it, and thats a maybe.

[Fernando Ramirez]

Thanks guy. I appreciate your post. I too was pissed after my concert and with everything thats been going on this tour, so I should have phrased it a little more delicately I suppose but I still stand by what I've said on my posts. I have also said more than once, that I think JSS is a good singer from what I've heard from him before this tour. It's that I don't feel he's a good fit in JRNY IMO. I give him props for stepping in but would not like to see him hurt his voice from it. If your also a singer then you know how difficult these tunes are in Perry's range, can think of very few who could maybe do it, and thats a maybe.

You're concerned about JSS not damaging his voice. That's a cool thing to say.

Well, Andrew, here's living proof that there can be peace on this here crazy Journey forum!!!