Is it JSS or SA singing?

[MartyMoffatt]

Fox, just out of curiosity, are you as new to this forum as your post count suggests, or have you had another username before, either here or on BT? Its just that your opinions are very entrenched and vociferously expressed, which is unusual for somebody completely new to these boards.

Marty

Marty, I have read these boards and never posted until the shit hit the fan and the Neal and the boys needed support. That's why I signed up to post. I support Neal...end of story! I don't need no other name and I ain't going to the BT board to drink kool aid. I am just sick of people beating Neal, Perry and anyone they can find but Mr Awsome gets a free ride like he did nothing wrong when he did the worst of all. The guy's got people making fools of themselves with prayer circles etc. That's just wrong Dude, just wrong! I would be cool if he just left when he couldn't sing but he didn't. I don't know who or what you think I am but I'm just me....Fox.

That's fine, I'll take you word for it. It's just that the sudden escalation in the aggression shown in your more recent posts reminded me of somebody else here not so long ago.

I don't think Augeri got a free ride, as you suggest. He has been pilloried on this forum for weeks - crucified more than anybody I've ever seen. At the end of the day its Neal's band and Steve was/is a hired hand. If anything the buck should stop with the boss.

However, that's not the point. The point is that Journey is a business. They don't answer to you, or me, and they certainly shouldn't make decisions based on what you say they should do. At least 90% of their fanbase don't have the slightest inkling about the so-called 'tapegate' - most couldn't even tell you who the members of the band are - and they don't care. And, with a few sensationalist exceptions, the media cares even less. Its not worth getting so worked up about it.

Marty

[4_Fox_Sake]

Fox, just out of curiosity, are you as new to this forum as your post count suggests, or have you had another username before, either here or on BT? Its just that your opinions are very entrenched and vociferously expressed, which is unusual for somebody completely new to these boards.

Marty

Marty, I have read these boards and never posted until the shit hit the fan and the Neal and the boys needed support. That's why I signed up to post. I support Neal...end of story! I don't need no other name and I ain't going to the BT board to drink kool aid. I am just sick of people beating Neal, Perry and anyone they can find but Mr Awsome gets a free ride like he did nothing wrong when he did the worst of all. The guy's got people making fools of themselves with prayer circles etc. That's just wrong Dude, just wrong! I would be cool if he just left when he couldn't sing but he didn't. I don't know who or what you think I am but I'm just me....Fox.

That's fine, I'll take you word for it. It's just that the sudden escalation in the aggression shown in your more recent posts reminded me of somebody else here not so long ago.

I don't think Augeri got a free ride, as you suggest. He has been pilloried on this forum for weeks - crucified more than anybody I've ever seen. At the end of the day its Neal's band and Steve was/is a hired hand. If anything the buck should stop with the boss.

However, that's not the point. The point is that Journey is a business. They don't answer to you, or me, and they certainly shouldn't make decisions based on what you say they should do. At least 90% of their fanbase don't have the slightest inkling about the so-called 'tapegate' - most couldn't even tell you who the members of the band are - and they don't care. And, with a few sensationalist exceptions, the media cares even less. Its not worth getting so worked up about it.

Marty

Marty I understand your concern man, it’s cool...but I hope that people can post here without being accused of being other people cause they don’t follow like sheep with what everyone thinks. Just because I blame Augeri for his BIG part-not being able to sing, doesn’t mean I am another person or someone from the past. I just don’t agree with the candle massess he gets at BT and people making fools of themselves over him at the expense of the band. Look what went on here. Neal was wrong YES, but Augeri let it happen he could have walked. I don’t see why people don’t see that. It’s always easier to blame someone else for the wrong you do. He should have said no and left before the tapes even rolled. Maybe one time or twice, but that's not what he did.

I am sick the prayer circles an all for him and him being the victim of an evil Neal or a bad fan who talks about his tape scam. It’s should be about the band on BT not Augeri, but the fans seem to want to make it all about him now. Post after post. They’re making fools of themselves with prayer circles candles etc. How can the band move on when it’s clear these people don’t want to and probably won’t And no Perry still gets more of a beating than Augeri does. Even years later his fans get a beating here there and everywhere. I just don’t see the point in showing love for someone who don’t show it back. That’s what get me really mad! If Augeri never went along with it then he could say what he wants. He got caught now has to keep his mouth shut and let fans make fools of themselves. I’m just sick of the hero worship.

Maybe the reason I sound angry is cause of the heat, broken air conditoning, reading the other board’s crap and no beer in the house! It’s much easier to read the crap when you wasted! Simple

[Blueskies]

Everyone has been right on the money here on different point's IMO. 1) Bashing Perry for years is assine. Steve Perry and the band created the music we all love that has become timeless. His contribution to the song writing, and his voice should get the adoration and respect that it deserves. After many years, to still denegrate the man for his decision to quit is ludicris. Whatever his reason's to do so, that was his right. Have you never quit a job or made a career change or contemplated retirement? Hopefully you've never had health problems to deal with. Perry is a great contributer in keeping this band alive because that is his voice that everyone hears on the radio today. 2) The whole band needs to take responsibility for tape-gate, not just Augeri, but he is the main one that should have quit a long time ago. I have not been a fan of his, but I will not bash the guy. 3) I have been hard on JSS when I saw him starting out, because it was rough in the beginning, but I've heard from different sources that he is finding his stride and he and the band are starting to jell. Started checking out stuff he's done before and I'm impressed with it. 4) Forget agenda's and just give all members, past and present a little respect for their contributions to the music we all love.---down from soapbox.

[treetopovskaya]

The first time I hear a Journey song like this, I'm out!

If I slam Jeff, and he doesn't like it, I don't want him acting "presidential." I want him to be a fucking rock star and say exactly what he feels. I believe the guy to be brutally honest. I love that. An honest, say it like it is dude.

Remember, Jeff is no angel (which is a good thing).

The guy penned these lyrics:

I need your tits in my face
I need you bare on the floor
I watch you from my window
til my flag unfurls

Awesome. Brilliant. Sexy and dirty. THAT is a rock lyric.

NOT, "Butterfly, she flies alone" - Sorry, that is too gay, Mmkay.

if that were true, you should have been gone (hehehee) with dixie highway, homemade love & awywi! };C))

~tree

[fred_journeyman]

Well, looks to me that the people who don’t want Jeff are the Augeri heads... Jeff’s the real deal so I think these Augeri supporters should give him a chance and accept that he’s even got the decency to come on these boards and talk to fans, unlike a certain sound alike we know.

Was this all addressed to me, or did you simply use my post as a spring board into your own rant? If it was, you're way off base, my friend. What confuses me is that you reference my post and keep saying "you" throughout your response. I'm trying to use context clues here, but it's throwing me a bit.

I never said I didn't want Jeff. I'm not an Augeri-head either and I do NOT hate Perry. I AM a REALIST. I don't CARE what the band does. What I DO care about are the hidden agendas that PERVADE this board and other boards for years! You have what - 18 posts - and already you've come to the conclusions you have?! Then, either you've spent an awful lot of time saying absolutely nothing and just "listening" to people from their posts, or you've jumped to conclusions.

As far as I'm concerned, neither Perry, Augeri or JSS are gods. This is a freakin' ROCK band and nothing more.

If you had spent a number of years on the VH-1 board for instance, you would KNOW that some of your comments are absolutely untrue about Perry's followers not wanting him back in the band. There are people here - I BELIEVE - who post under the guise that they are SOOOOO proJourney, yet are simply using this latest situation to continue to do what they've always done - ATTACK the band - and their comments/posts usually have something to do with suggesting that Perry would be the savior of all.

Perry's time is over. It looks like Augeri's time is over as well. Fine, I'm all for letting the band go with Jeff. It JUST DOESN'T MATTER TO ME AND I LOSE NO SLEEP OVER ANY OF THIS, unlike some people who get together on private boards to literally plan their attack and come back here to put it into affect. This is actual and as long as Journey is around, it will NEVER go away.

[fred_journeyman]

...After many years, to still denegrate the man for his decision to quit is ludicris...

I have absolutely NO problem that Steve Perry quit the band. I have a problem with some Perry ONLY people who have been stating for years that he did NOT quit, but was forced out, which I believe is patently false.

[Andrew]

Sure it was. You yourself said that you could have worded it differently. Since JSS does NOT know you, why should he NOT take your words at face value?

You blew it and you want to shift blame to JSS and OFF yourself. THAT is what's truly without class...

Ok, give it a rest please.

[fred_journeyman]

...Neal was wrong YES, but Augeri let it happen he could have walked. I don’t see why people don’t see that. It’s always easier to blame someone else for the wrong you do. He should have said no and left before the tapes even rolled. Maybe one time or twice, but that's not what he did...

I agree, but taking it a step further, it's all in the past.

I hope you find some beer and get your air conditioner fixed soon.

[Blueskies]

...After many years, to still denegrate the man for his decision to quit is ludicris...

I have absolutely NO problem that Steve Perry quit the band. I have a problem with some Perry ONLY people who have been stating for years that he did NOT quit, but was forced out, which I believe is patently false.

I agree with you on that point , he decided to quit for his own reasons, be they health reasons or other things, that was his right to do so.

[4_Fox_Sake]

...Neal was wrong YES, but Augeri let it happen he could have walked. I don’t see why people don’t see that. It’s always easier to blame someone else for the wrong you do. He should have said no and left before the tapes even rolled. Maybe one time or twice, but that's not what he did...

I agree, but taking it a step further, it's all in the past.

I hope you find some beer and get your air conditioner fixed soon.

Thanx, sorry to air off on you like that Dude, but ya, we see things different and sometimes I do think you go too far with the Perry stuff that's all. I was dying for a beer before but my buddy next door brought a few over a few minutes ago to cool me off, so I'm happy. No apolgy to the Augeri heads from me though. I stand by what I posted!

[fred_journeyman]

Thanx, sorry to air off on you like that Dude, but ya, we see things different and sometimes I do think you go too far with the Perry stuff that's all.

Tell you what...since you seem like you have a "cool" head about you (especially since you've had your beer), next time you think I do that, let me know, will you? I might not agree with you, but I'll certainly be willing to take another look at what I've stated

I was dying for a beer before but my buddy next door brought a few over a few minutes ago to cool me off, so I'm happy.

Ah, all's good then.

[fred_journeyman]

...he decided to quit for his own reasons, be they health reasons or other things, that was his right to do so.

Yes, we agree that he quit for his own reasons. I hold no ill will for the man because of it.

[fred_journeyman]

Ok, give it a rest please.

Andrew, I was already done with it.

[Andrew]

Appreciated.

[Jeremey fan forever]

[quote="Rockn'deano"]If I slam Jeff, and he doesn't like it, I don't want him acting "presidential." I want him to be a fucking rock star and say exactly what he feels. I believe the guy to be brutally honest. I love that. An honest, say it like it is dude.

Remember, Jeff is no angel (which is a good thing).

The guy penned these lyrics:

I need your tits in my face
I need you bare on the floor
I watch you from my window
til my flag unfurls

Awesome. Brilliant. Sexy and dirty. THAT is a rock lyric

Awesome and brilliant and sexy yes, but if tits and the flag are dirty to you, you need get out and have a life. Tits and the flag are American as pie. Quit being gay, its a patriotic tune. JSS rocks

[FormerJrnyFan]

If I slam Jeff, and he doesn't like it, I don't want him acting "presidential." I want him to be a fucking rock star and say exactly what he feels. I believe the guy to be brutally honest. I love that. An honest, say it like it is dude.

Remember, Jeff is no angel (which is a good thing).

The guy penned these lyrics:

I need your tits in my face
I need you bare on the floor
I watch you from my window
til my flag unfurls

Awesome. Brilliant. Sexy and dirty. THAT is a rock lyric

Awesome and brilliant and sexy yes, but if tits and the flag are dirty to you, you need get out and have a life. Tits and the flag are American as pie. Quit being gay, its a patriotic tune. JSS rocks

Oh boy... here we go

[Marabelle]

alright let's think about this..well it shouldn't take much thought...but patriotic? unless you are baiting deano..think about the lyrics and think of an artist
using some poetic license...

it's a hand job...no more no less

[larryfromnextdoor]

alright let's think about this..well it shouldn't take much thought...but patriotic? unless you are baiting deano..think about the lyrics and think of an artist
using some poetic license...

it's a hand job...no more no less

OMG marabelle!!!!!! geesh ,, ole JSS has quite the background in diff rock styes,, hes sang about dragons and such , sex, love,, and hand jobs, well , isnt that special,, yep, hes our boy!!!

[Jeremey fan forever]

[it's a hand job...no more no less[/quote]

Its unlikely a hand job with the tits in the face, unless the viagara has yet kicked in. I doubt a rock god like jeff suffers from the LD syndrome like some in here might. One thing for sure: JSS aint no flag burner

[conversationpc]

Awesome and brilliant and sexy yes, but if tits and the flag are dirty to you, you need get out and have a life. Tits and the flag are American as pie. Quit being gay, its a patriotic tune. JSS rocks

Patriotic?

[Barb]

I could be wrong here, but I assumed the "flag" was a metaphor for something else.

Patriotic?

[Clasicrockldy]

Wow ! 7 pages !

and "til my flag unfurls" is definitely a metaphor for something else...........

[Voyager]

FACTS:

Journey is a good band.

Steve Perry is a good singer.

Steve Augeri is a good singer.

Jeff Scott Soto is a good singer.

At the end of the day, it's all good!

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Wow ! 7 pages !

and "til my flag unfurls" is definitely a metaphor for something else...........

OMG, even I know that!!! LOL Figures, it takes all the ladies on here to figure out those lyrics

[MartyMoffatt]

FACTS:

Journey is a good band.

Steve Perry is a good singer.

Steve Augeri is a good singer.

Jeff Scott Soto is a good singer.

At the end of the day, it's all good!

Good post

[MartyMoffatt]

Hey, I just noticed my post count has dropped a little. I take it Andrew has been around tidying up/deleting some threads last night. Did I miss something?

Marty

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Hey, I just noticed my post count has dropped a little. I take it Andrew has been around tidying up/deleting some threads last night. Did I miss something?

Marty

Marty, I think he took out some of the threads, not individual posts when he returned. It's a bummer!! I'm sure you can make it up for it tonight

[Andrew]

Only 2 small threads. Apologies in advance for the loonatics that required it be so.

[*Laura]

Andrew,I am really sorry if my thread about the usernames confusion was out of line.
It wasn't my intention to start trouble.

[MartyMoffatt]

Only 2 small threads. Apologies in advance for the loonatics that required it be so.

OK that's cool