The writing on the wall

by **jrnysc** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:21 am

Well folks, might as well throw my two cents in on the situation I reckon. For those who think Deano is whack (I used to), I just read on the main page that the Journey/Def Leppard tour is going through sometime in December. Now, for anyone who thought Augeri was coming back. If you have a brain at all this should be the writing on the wall for you. A couple of months ago they were about to have to abandon the tour, and now they have added 3 months with a "fill in" lead singer. Yeah, ok, whatever. What sucks to me is that Augeri fans,who have tried to be patient, will probably hear nothing until after Santa Claus comes.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:31 am

Look, even if I was one of the daft fools clinging to the hope of Augeri returning, I'd have no expectation of him returning mid-tour.
When you're down for the count, you're simply down for the count.
I'd expect him to show up after this tour has ended at earliest.

P.S. Since he is not returning, the above points are all moot.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:41 am

No slag on Augeri but, if he was still 'In" do you think the band would

A] Finish out the originally scheduled tour with DL, get a good feel for where Steve's recovery is and then make future plans based on his progress?

or

B] Start adding a few extra months to the current tour with a "Fill In", add a portable studio to the bus and basically keep anything regarding Steve 'Top Secret'?

I'm curious about last nights show in Denver. Up until the break, Jon would introduce Jeff to the crowd by telling them of "Steve Augeri is ill and couldn't be here with us so our friend blah blah blah"...
How was Jeff introduced last night, if at all?

I kinda feel bad for the guy but I too think Augeri is done with Journey. If he can still sing and can get TS spun up again, All the Luck in the World!

by **lights1961** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:45 am

dont know what to think at this stage...

Rick

by **Eric** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:47 am

[quote="Carlitto H@kk"]
B] Start adding a few extra months to the current tour with a "Fill In", add a portable studio to the bus and basically keep anything regarding Steve 'Top Secret'?quote]

Add to that......"plan a Mexico/Puerto Rico tour"

by **jrnysc** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:50 am

To me, just my opinion, they would just get through the dates they have, get off the road, and wait until Steve can return to record/tour, etc. It certainly appears to me they are continuing right along. Just wish they would spit it out and get it over with.

by **Liz22562** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:52 am

Hmmm...so what you are saying is:

+ concerts = - Augeri.

Makes perfectly good sense to me, Not.

by **jrnysc** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:55 am

Liz22562 wrote:Hmmm...so what you are saying is:

+ concerts = - Augeri.

Makes perfectly good sense to me, Not.

No, not really. That plus everything else. Studio on the bus. The fact they it was at first said thank god JSS was able to get us through the tour, which has now been extended AT LEAST 3 months, if not longer by the time it's over. Hey, I'm fine with all of it, but Journey has some great fans. They deserve better than this. And, for anyone who thinks Steve has only a throat infection, I have some ocean front property in Birmingham, Alabama for sale. This would be bar none the longest throat infection in the history of the world!! :shock:

by **brywool** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:56 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:No slag on Augeri but, if he was still 'In" do you think the band would

A] Finish out the originally scheduled tour with DL, get a good feel for where Steve's recovery is and then make future plans based on his progress?

or

B] Start adding a few extra months to the current tour with a "Fill In", add a portable studio to the bus and basically keep anything regarding Steve 'Top Secret'?

I'm curious about last nights show in Denver. Up until the break, Jon would introduce Jeff to the crowd by telling them of "Steve Augeri is ill and couldn't be here with us so our friend blah blah blah"...
How was Jeff introduced last night, if at all?

I kinda feel bad for the guy but I too think Augeri is done with Journey. If he can still sing and can get TS spun up again, All the Luck in the World!

On the review, I've heard so many glowing reviews of the JSS Journey, then I heard the bootlegs of those same shows. I don't put much stock in reviews.

by **lights1961** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:58 am

brywool wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:No slag on Augeri but, if he was still 'In" do you think the band would

A] Finish out the originally scheduled tour with DL, get a good feel for where Steve's recovery is and then make future plans based on his progress?

or

B] Start adding a few extra months to the current tour with a "Fill In", add a portable studio to the bus and basically keep anything regarding Steve 'Top Secret'?

I'm curious about last nights show in Denver. Up until the break, Jon would introduce Jeff to the crowd by telling them of "Steve Augeri is ill and couldn't be here with us so our friend blah blah blah"...
How was Jeff introduced last night, if at all?

I kinda feel bad for the guy but I too think Augeri is done with Journey. If he can still sing and can get TS spun up again, All the Luck in the World!

On the review, I've heard so many glowing reviews of the JSS Journey, then I heard the bootlegs of those same shows. I don't put much stock in reviews.

He is GREAT LIVE.. (JSS) been to a show get to see another in Ames 9/7

by **yogi** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:00 am

In my opinion.... he's toast.

Steve Perry has more of a chance hitting the concert stage with Neil and the Boys than Steve Augeri does.

His Journey is over.

by **SusieP** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:29 am

jrnysc wrote:To me, just my opinion, they would just get through the dates they have, get off the road, and wait until Steve can return to record/tour, etc. It certainly appears to me they are continuing right along. Just wish they would spit it out and get it over with.

They probably have spit it out - or rather, spit him out. They have just forgotten to mention it to SA fans.

:lol:

by **perryslave** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:24 am

IMO they could have avoided this whole mess if they just wouldn't have screwd over Steve Perry in the first place.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:27 am

perryslave wrote::!: IMO they could have avoided this whole mess if they just wouldn't have screwd over Steve Perry in the first place.

Wait. Journey/Schon-Cain were responsible for SP renegging on a promise to tour Trial By Fire? Is that how THEY "screwed him over?"

by **A Fire Inside** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:27 am

perryslave wrote::!: IMO they could have avoided this whole mess if they just wouldn't have screwd over Steve Perry in the first place.

LMAO! And just how did they screw Perry over?

by **lights1961** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:31 am

A Fire Inside wrote:
perryslave wrote::!: IMO they could have avoided this whole mess if they just wouldn't have screwd over Steve Perry in the first place.

LMAO! And just how did they screw Perry over?

'

here we go again..but Perry screwed himself..... blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

Rick

by **Lula** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:46 am

perryslave wrote::!: IMO they could have avoided this whole mess if they just wouldn't have screwd over Steve Perry in the first place.

Your a Perry slave.... okay, did your master make you say this?? :roll:

Ridiculous, I have to say :lol:

by **perryslave** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:48 am

We all know that "TBF" would have sold extremely well even without promotion. It would not have killed them to just let it go for that one album, let steve get over the hip thing then start again fresh. BUT NO!!! I honestly believe that neal was just looking for any excuse he could find to oust perry. But it has come back to haunt him. Steadily declining record sales, poor concert attendance( comparable to SP days) waining interest by the public in general(not the handfull of post perry fanatics) Huge continuing interest in perry era journey material as evidenced by new interest in "DSB" which pushed that album to "diamond" status, the fact that the "81 houston dvd just went "platinum"(in less than a year) and a steady rise of daily new interest in SP as evidenced by a surge of new registrations on every major perry board out there(whether he does anything or not!) And last but certainly not least this lead singer debocle. The facts speak for themselves!

by **lights1961** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:59 am

perryslave wrote:We all know that "TBF" would have sold extremely well even without promotion. It would not have killed them to just let it go for that one album, let steve get over the hip thing then start again fresh. BUT NO!!! I honestly believe that neal was just looking for any excuse he could find to oust perry. But it has come back to haunt him. Steadily declining record sales, poor concert attendance( comparable to SP days) waining interest by the public in general(not the handfull of post perry fanatics) Huge continuing interest in perry era journey material as evidenced by new interest in "DSB" which pushed that album to "diamond" status, the fact that the "81 houston dvd just went "platinum"(in less than a year) and a steady rise of daily new interest in SP as evidenced by a surge of new registrations on every major perry board out there(whether he does anything or not!) And last but certainly not least this lead singer debocle. The facts speak for themselves!

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

by **conversationpc** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:01 am

perryslave wrote:I honestly believe that neal was just looking for any excuse he could find to oust perry. But it has come back to haunt him.

He didn't need an excuse. Considering Perry's history of cutting tours short, I don't blame him.

by **perryslave** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:06 am

And this is an improvement? I'd rather see SP on a short tour than any of these other people on a long one. At least with perry you get the real deal! And blah! blah! blah!, just proves you can't dispute any of the facts that were stated.

by **brywool** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:08 am

conversationpc wrote:
perryslave wrote:I honestly believe that neal was just looking for any excuse he could find to oust perry. But it has come back to haunt him.

He didn't need an excuse. Considering Perry's history of cutting tours short, I don't blame him.

YUP!

by **brywool** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:15 am

perryslave wrote::!: IMO they could have avoided this whole mess if they just wouldn't have screwd over Steve Perry in the first place.

Perry screwed THEM over. He kept them in limbo for YEARS. Then he bailed on the tour. The band needed to work. Jesus, Ross was cutting fish bait to survive while Perry was rolling in dough (which, is not Perry's fault, but you know).
The band didn't believe Steve's hip thing, why should I?

I think Perry came back and realized that being in Journey meant singing those songs again on tour and by that time, his voice (while not completely shot) wasn't up to it. Rather than say he wasn't up to it vocally, he chose to go into hiding.
He SHOULD'VE said "Okay Journey, let's make an album. I will map out the tour schedule to preserve my instrument and we'll go from there. Also, we WILL change the keys on the songs. I'm no longer 25 and can't do some of the things I used to".

Maybe that happened, but from everything I read, Steve just bailed on them. Hasn't this all been said a billion times?

It would be VERY interesting to see the tour plans for the TBF tour that never was. Wonder how far apart the dates were, etc.

by **perryslave** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:32 am

Yeah! right! Like it's really steve perry's fault thay ross gambled away all of his money! The reason SP was rolling in the dough is because he deserved it and was smart with his money unlike other people. You are right about one thing though, now money is all it's about. Quantity not quality!

by **Jeremey fan forever** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:34 am

jrnysc wrote:Well folks, might as well throw my two cents in on the situation I reckon. For those who think Deano is whack (I used to), I just read on the main page that the Journey/Def Leppard tour is going through sometime in December. Now, for anyone who thought Augeri was coming back. If you have a brain at all this should be the writing on the wall for you. A couple of months ago they were about to have to abandon the tour, and now they have added 3 months with a "fill in" lead singer. Yeah, ok, whatever. What sucks to me is that Augeri fans,who have tried to be patient, will probably hear nothing until after Santa Claus comes.

Until December? Wow! :shock:

And that proves WHAT exactly??? Oh, wait! Are you suggesting Augeri will return on the 25th and we'll have X-mas miracle, tiny Tim? Cool!

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:38 am

It's not that they didn't believe his hip story, it's that he wouldn't commit one way or another to either get it fixed or tour on a stool.
They totally smelled another mid- ROR tour flake out coming, and wanted none N-O-N-E of it. If they'd waited we'd still be 2 years away from possibly hearing world on the city and venue of the first TBF tour show.

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:45 am

perryslave wrote::lol: Yeah! right! Like it's really steve perry's fault thay ross gambled away all of his money! The reason SP was rolling in the dough is because he deserved it and was smart with his money unlike other people. You are right about one thing though, now money is all it's about. Quantity not quality!

Can't you read? brywool included "(which, is not Perry's fault, but you know)" in his post, yet you completely ignored it.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:56 am

I love this site!!!

Thread about Augeri = let's fight about Perry
Thread about Perry = let's fight about JSS
Thread about JSS = let's fight about Augeri

... I just can't keep all the threads together?!?!?!?!?!?
HELP ME JESUS! HELP ME OPRAH! HELP ME TOM CRUISE!!!

by **conversationpc** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:58 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:... I just can't keep all the threads together?!?!?!?!?!?
HELP ME JESUS! HELP ME OPRAH! HELP ME TOM CRUISE!!!

by **perryslave** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:59 am

Irregardless that does no change the facts! More successful with Perry-Less successful without! The beatles sold millions w/out touring as did pink floyd, the eagles etc, etc.... You know neal was jealous of him-never wanted him the band in the first place. I guess in his mind it would have been better to have faded into obscurity in the early '70's than to be at the place that SP elevated them to.

MR

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