On what Journey song(s) can Jeff outshine Augeri?

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Postby Blueskies » Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:38 pm

Voyager wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:So do you think Augeri just suddenly lost his talent one day? Or do you think he has done irreparable harm to his voice?


I think it's the latter. Augeri didn't have the range of Steve Perry, but was forced to try to manufacture it. Try going out to three karaoke bars this week and sing "Open Arms", "Don't Stop Believin'", and "Faithfully" each night. Then multiply that by 300 gigs of 30+/- songs per gig and you will understand how Augeri shredded his vocal chords.

Steve Perry is the wise one. He wouldn't do it, no matter how much pressure was on him to do so. He knew the toll it would take. Personally, I'm glad he didn't shred his voice completely. The man deserves to live out the rest of his life however he wants to. He paid his dues to the music world already, and I will be forever grateful for his additions to my CD collection. They are priceless.

Fortunatelyt I got to see Journey with Steve Perry in the 80's. I'll never forget it. The moment Steve started singing "Lights" to start the show, it sent chill up my spine. I've never had an experience quite like that at any concert before or after that one.Steve still send's a chill up my spine! The one and only, even if if he's not the same today, as then. The greatest rock vocalist of my time, or anytime. Love you, Stephen!!!!!

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Postby Voyager » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:09 pm

Edited version of my previous post:

NealIsGod wrote:So do you think Augeri just suddenly lost his talent one day? Or do you think he has done irreparable harm to his voice?


I think it's the latter. Augeri didn't have the range of Steve Perry, but was forced to try to manufacture it. Try going out to three karaoke bars this week and sing "Open Arms", "Don't Stop Believin'", and "Faithfully" each night. Then multiply that by 300 gigs of 25+/- songs per gig and you will understand how Augeri shredded his vocal chords.

Steve Perry is the wise one. He wouldn't do it, no matter how much pressure was on him to do so. He knew the toll it would take. Personally, I'm glad he didn't shred his voice completely. The man deserves to live out the rest of his life however he wants to. He paid his dues to the music world already, and I will be forever grateful for his additions to my CD collection. They are priceless.

Fortunately I got to see Journey with Steve Perry in the 80's. I'll never forget it. The moment Steve started singing "Lights" to start the show, it sent chills up my spine. I've never had an experience quite like that at any concert before or after that one, and I've been to hundreds of great rock shows. Steve Perry will always be a rock god to me. My wife adores him too. Journey is Steve Perry and Neal Schon. Anything else is simply an impersonation... kind of like Elvis impersonators. There will never be another Elvis, and likewise, no one else can wear Steve Perry's shoes either.

Don't get me wrong. I still love Journey, in whatever form it comes in. I've seen Journey with Steve Augeri three times. However, the last time I saw them, Augeri's voice gave out halfway through the show. My wife and I couldn't stand hearing all of our favorite songs sang out of key, so we left. I haven't seen Journey with JSS yet, but I say "More power to them!". Keep the dream alive. I would listen to Neal, Jon, Ross, and Deen without any singer at all.

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Postby Blueskies » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:47 pm

Voyager wrote:Edited version of my previous post:

NealIsGod wrote:So do you think Augeri just suddenly lost his talent one day? Or do you think he has done irreparable harm to his voice?


I think it's the latter. Augeri didn't have the range of Steve Perry, but was forced to try to manufacture it. Try going out to three karaoke bars this week and sing "Open Arms", "Don't Stop Believin'", and "Faithfully" each night. Then multiply that by 300 gigs of 25+/- songs per gig and you will understand how Augeri shredded his vocal chords.

Steve Perry is the wise one. He wouldn't do it, no matter how much pressure was on him to do so. He knew the toll it would take. Personally, I'm glad he didn't shred his voice completely. The man deserves to live out the rest of his life however he wants to. He paid his dues to the music world already, and I will be forever grateful for his additions to my CD collection. They are priceless.

Fortunately I got to see Journey with Steve Perry in the 80's. I'll never forget it. The moment Steve started singing "Lights" to start the show, it sent chills up my spine. I've never had an experience quite like that at any concert before or after that one, and I've been to hundreds of great rock shows. Steve Perry will always be a rock god to me. My wife adores him too. Journey is Steve Perry and Neal Schon. Anything else is simply an impersonation... kind of like Elvis impersonators. There will never be another Elvis, and likewise, no one else can wear Steve Perry's shoes either.

Don't get me wrong. I still love Journey, in whatever form it comes in. I've seen Journey with Steve Augeri three times. However, the last time I saw them, Augeri's voice gave out halfway through the show. My wife and I couldn't stand hearing all of our favorite songs sang out of key, so we left. I haven't seen Journey with JSS yet, but I say "More power to them!". Keep the dream alive. I would listen to Neal, Jon, Ross, and Deen without any singer at all.

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I know how you feel, believe me, I am A HUGH Steve Perry fan, always, but Perry will no longer sing, so after much harsh criticism on my part, I now believe that Mr. Jeff Scott Soto is the man to take the" Journey"" forward. That's just my 2 cent's, take it or leave it. It's up to each individual to judge.
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Postby Eric » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:38 am

Augeri's best song was Ask the Lonely, and he did Be Good to Yourself the best so far too. Even better than Perry.

I prefer JSS on:
Chain Reaction
Keep on Runnin
Lovin, Touchin
Wheel in the Sky
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:48 am

Eric wrote:Augeri's best song was Ask the Lonely, and he did Be Good to Yourself the best so far too. Even better than Perry.


You'd be absolutely correct, if your only frame of reference is the polished, pro-tooled Sony 2001 dvd.
Augeri absolutely belts those out of the park!
However, on most untouched concert recordings he butchered those songs.
In fact, I've yet to hear him do BGTY not out of tune.
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:51 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:In fact, I've yet to hear him do BGTY not out of tune.


Have you heard Soto nail it?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:06 am

NealIsGod wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:In fact, I've yet to hear him do BGTY not out of tune.


Have you heard Soto nail it?


Never said I did, buddy!
I'm with you (partially).
JSS still needs to earn his keep in my eyes.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:17 am

This isn't RockStar or something. He's earned his keep.
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:18 am

Eric wrote:Augeri's best song was Ask the Lonely, and he did Be Good to Yourself the best so far too. Even better than Perry.

I prefer JSS on:
Chain Reaction
Keep on Runnin
Lovin, Touchin
Wheel in the Sky
Escape
Sep Ways


Have you heard JSS do Blade yet? You WILL be sold :)
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:27 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:In fact, I've yet to hear him do BGTY not out of tune.


Have you heard Soto nail it?


Never said I did, buddy!


That's why I asked.
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Postby Eric » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:33 am

[quote="Carlitto H@kk"
Have you heard JSS do Blade yet? You WILL be sold :)[/quote]


I like him on the first half of it....
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Postby Ms_M » Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:43 am

I enjoyed everything, but he really rocked on CR and EOTB. If I could've jumped up and down (that damn bum ankle again!), I would have!!!
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Postby Vladan » Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:34 pm

Eric wrote:Augeri's best song was Ask the Lonely, and he did Be Good to Yourself the best so far too. Even better than Perry.


There is no way in hell Augeri did any Journey song better than Perry. I hated Ask The Lonely And Be Good To Yourself on the 2001 DVD, pissed me off how he sings those songs... frustrating to see somebody butcher my 2 favourite Journey songs (I call them piss weak versions). Ofcourse i'm comparing the 2001 show to the Studio versions of the songs... but still, that poser never did those later JRNY songs justice.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:However, on most untouched concert recordings he butchered those songs.
In fact, I've yet to hear him do BGTY not out of tune.


100% on the money.
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Postby Saint John » Thu Aug 17, 2006 5:22 pm

You can only immitate the original. It's impossible to be better. That's like saying if Neal did "x" instead of "x", DSB would've been better. Let's just face it, Steve Perry is by far Journey's best vocalist.....without ANY question.
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HUGO IS THE ANSWER

Postby mack » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:49 pm

If they want a great substitue until Augeri gets better, why don't they give HUGO a tryout.
As great a singer as Soto is, he is not right for this band.
At least give the fans the sound they want until Steve can come back. It will make for a great show.
HUGO is definitely the guy for this, he is doing a Journey tribute band now. Check out his website at journeyshow.com
It would be a story just like the movie Rockstar, guy gets to live out a dream.
(Soto could appreciate a story like that)
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Re: HUGO IS THE ANSWER

Postby Vladan » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:07 am

mack wrote:If they want a great substitue until Augeri gets better, why don't they give HUGO a tryout.
As great a singer as Soto is, he is not right for this band.
At least give the fans the sound they want until Steve can come back. It will make for a great show.
HUGO is definitely the guy for this, he is doing a Journey tribute band now. Check out his website at journeyshow.com
It would be a story just like the movie Rockstar, guy gets to live out a dream.
(Soto could appreciate a story like that)


Yes but Hugo is a Perry clone. His voice sounds way too thin for my liking and doesn't have that power to properly emulate Perry. JSS is a real singer.

http://www.hugomusic.net/separate.mp3 - example.
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:11 am

Eric wrote:Augeri's best song was Ask the Lonely, and he did Be Good to Yourself the best so far too. Even better than Perry.


Back slowly away from the keg, and crackpipe. Put down the knife and come quietly.

You need to check yourself in. There isn't one song Augeri did as good or half as good as SP.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:17 am

Rockn'deano wrote:
Eric wrote:Augeri's best song was Ask the Lonely, and he did Be Good to Yourself the best so far too. Even better than Perry.


Back slowly away from the keg, and crackpipe. Put down the knife and come quietly.

You need to check yourself in. There isn't one song Augeri did as good or half as good as SP.


He didn't do any songs better than Perry. Just didn't have the voice to do what Perry did on those songs. Not to mention the way Perry performed them. He seemed to sing songs just a bit differently every time. That's why each live show was so special and exactly why he is so missed.
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Postby Abitaman » Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:17 am

Rockn'deano wrote:
Eric wrote:Augeri's best song was Ask the Lonely, and he did Be Good to Yourself the best so far too. Even better than Perry.


Back slowly away from the keg, and crackpipe. Put down the knife and come quietly.

You need to check yourself in. There isn't one song Augeri did as good or half as good as SP.


Deano seems to right on this :( -ERIC
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Postby Eric » Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:15 am

I guess I'll clarify....

If I could only have one version of each of those songs, I would pick the 2001 DVD. The Raised on Radio tour was the only tour Perry did BGTY (and maybe ATL?) and that tour was just too sloppy for me...
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On what Journey song(s) can Jeff outshine Augeri

Postby squirt1 » Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:54 pm

Jeff could outshine Augeri on ANY song. I went to see Joutney in 1998 to see the new singer. I thought he sounded like someone was standing on his foot. That was when he sounded his best. I went to see Journey/DefLeppard in July and it was interesting. Especially ,the stage presence. It works. But the truth is if you have never seen Perry live then don't give an opinion on Journey post 1997 as being so wonderful. You have no clue musically speaking.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:12 pm

Vladan wrote:There is no way in hell Augeri did any Journey song better than Perry. I hated Ask The Lonely And Be Good To Yourself on the 2001 DVD, pissed me off how he sings those songs... frustrating to see somebody butcher my 2 favourite Journey songs (I call them piss weak versions). Ofcourse i'm comparing the 2001 show to the Studio versions of the songs... but still, that poser never did those later JRNY songs justice.


I think Augeri's vocals on the Vegas dvd are damn near flawless.
Musically, I think the dvd is stellar.
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Re: On what Journey song(s) can Jeff outshine Augeri

Postby Rockindeano » Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:14 pm

squirt1 wrote: But the truth is if you have never seen Perry live then don't give an opinion on Journey post 1997 as being so wonderful. You have no clue musically speaking.



That is the single best quote I have ever read here on this Forum.
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Re: On what Journey song(s) can Jeff outshine Augeri

Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:36 am

Rockn'deano wrote:
squirt1 wrote: But the truth is if you have never seen Perry live then don't give an opinion on Journey post 1997 as being so wonderful. You have no clue musically speaking.



That is the single best quote I have ever read here on this Forum.


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On what Journey song(s) can Augeri outshine Soto

Postby squirt1 » Sat Aug 19, 2006 5:31 am

Thank you Deano ! For months now you have kept me laughing. I am glad for what you do to keep some kind of integrity to these proceedings.
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