Has JOURNEY Jumped The Shark OR are Happier Days Ahead?

[Lula]

Don't be so quick to discount the 05 tour. Sure, it carries some unfortunate baggage, but the gems that were played during the first half along with new stuff was great. Sha Na Na... whatever, we all have opinions

[Rockindeano]

Don't be so quick to discount the 05 tour. Sure, it carries some unfortunate baggage, but the gems that were played during the first half along with new stuff was great. Sha Na Na... whatever, we all have opinions

THAT is a great spin. Hearing this, Irv? Old Man, pull out your hearing aide. Aw nevermind. neal, fire his wrinkly old as already. I have got a plan for this machine. Give me the keys, and we will get to the promised land again!

[Monker]

As TNC's sig indicates: the very nature of JOURNEY is change and motion. JOURNEY has ALWAYS changed. They've changed personnel and they've changed musical directions many times over. They've abandoned this endearing quality and have reduced themselves to a glorified Sha Na Na act.

And the fans don't care. They're happy with the yearly greatest hits tours and the occasional album or EP.

If it were me I'd be looking for some new fans who actually gave a damn.

You know what? It's too late for that. That's the entire point of saying they've jumped the shark...it's all downhill from here. I used that term shortly after JSS was announced.

They had 8yrs with Augeri to do what they could do. They had a great run with him. Now they have to start completely over. At this point, they can't realisticaly do that. No label is going to release another Arrival. Releasing it on their own requires too much resources to properly promote and make it known. Performing it on tour is not what their audience wants...and to alienate them removes their profitablility on tour...which is where the money IS. So, they are stuck with two, maybe three if your lucky, 'new' songs on tour. With JSS, they don't even do that on this tour.

So, IMO, they are at the end of their post-Perry run. They've jumped the shark, and it's all downhill from here. Within five years, I expect Neal to be in another band and Journey to be history...or touring the Styx circuit.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Don't be so quick to discount the 05 tour. Sure, it carries some unfortunate baggage, but the gems that were played during the first half along with new stuff was great. Sha Na Na... whatever, we all have opinions

THAT is a great spin. Hearing this, Irv? Old Man, pull out your hearing aide. Aw nevermind. neal, fire his wrinkly old as already. I have got a plan for this machine. Give me the keys, and we will get to the promised land again!

The problem with spin is that it turns things around but doesn't actually go anywhere.

I agree about having a plan. A plan can help you get somewhere. Spin just makes things dizzy and induces vomit.

[junky]

Don't be so quick to discount the 05 tour. Sure, it carries some unfortunate baggage, but the gems that were played during the first half along with new stuff was great. Sha Na Na... whatever, we all have opinions

Too right.

I went to a few shows, mostly for the pre-Perry stuff I knew I would never hear again. Well worth it for that alone.
Saw some funny shit with the BTers (sorry Andrew). Met some cool people including Deen. Funny guy.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

As TNC's sig indicates: the very nature of JOURNEY is change and motion. JOURNEY has ALWAYS changed. They've changed personnel and they've changed musical directions many times over. They've abandoned this endearing quality and have reduced themselves to a glorified Sha Na Na act.

And the fans don't care. They're happy with the yearly greatest hits tours and the occasional album or EP.

If it were me I'd be looking for some new fans who actually gave a damn.

You know what? It's too late for that. That's the entire point of saying they've jumped the shark...it's all downhill from here. I used that term shortly after JSS was announced.

They had 8yrs with Augeri to do what they could do. They had a great run with him. Now they have to start completely over. At this point, they can't realisticaly do that. No label is going to release another Arrival. Releasing it on their own requires too much resources to properly promote and make it known. Performing it on tour is not what their audience wants...and to alienate them removes their profitablility on tour...which is where the money IS. So, they are stuck with two, maybe three if your lucky, 'new' songs on tour. With JSS, they don't even do that on this tour.

So, IMO, they are at the end of their post-Perry run. They've jumped the shark, and it's all downhill from here. Within five years, I expect Neal to be in another band and Journey to be history...or touring the Styx circuit.

A great run with SA? I like SA but I would hardly call what they had with him as a "great" anything. They toured nothing but greatest hits which ALL came prior to SA. They released 2 albums and 1 EP - none of which generated any amount of interest in comparison to anything done prior to SA. Great...? I just don't see it.

They haven't done anything great because they haven't been playing to a great audience. An audience will either make or break you. The current audience is grinding JOURNEY into the pavement. I don't think it's ever too late to save yourself - to walk away from the edge and seek a new frontier. You know - make a move across the Rubicon. Dang - how many more JOURNEYisms do I have to conjure up here?

I won't try to convince you. You're already convinced. I guess it's just a matter of waiting patiently to see what they can do. Dang - those things just keep sneaking in there...

[Lula]

jrnyjunky that pic is great!!

[FormerJrnyFan]

jrnyjunky that pic is great!!

I don't get Ross with the scarf, tho!

[Rockindeano]

A great run with SA? I like SA but I would hardly call what they had with him as a "great" anything. They toured nothing but greatest hits which ALL came prior to SA. They released 2 albums and 1 EP - none of which generated any amount of interest in comparison to anything done prior to SA. Great...? I just don't see it.

They haven't done anything great because they haven't been playing to a great audience. An audience will either make or break you. The current audience is grinding JOURNEY into the pavement. I don't think it's ever too late to save yourself - to walk away from the edge and seek a new frontier. You know - make a move across the Rubicon. Dang - how many more JOURNEYisms do I have to conjure up here?

I won't try to convince you. You're already convinced. I guess it's just a matter of waiting patiently to see what they can do. Dang - those things just keep sneaking in there...

Fyre, that was a great post.

Well said.

[Lula]

jrnyjunky that pic is great!!

I don't get Ross with the scarf, tho!

I can't see the scarf, but what's up with the white shoes??

[jrnyjetster]

The one upshot is the albums will be more cohesive.

We'll see...

[junky]

jrnyjunky that pic is great!!

I like it, too.

My souvineer from Red Rocks

[fred_journeyman]

Maybe if the execs of the record company put out a companion dvd of Paris naked......... maybe the record would of sold more! LOLOL !

I can't imagine that would help. Afterall, weren't there the one (or possibly two) videos from her phone camera or something that made the rounds? Paris is WAY old news. She probably bought and paid for her CD production and release.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They had 8yrs with Augeri to do what they could do. They had a great run with him. Now they have to start completely over.

The material they have been largely subsisting off of (i.e. The Perry dozen) did not go away.
JSS continues exactly where Augeri left off.
What the hell are you talking about?

No label is going to release another Arrival.

That remained true even with Augeri at the helm.
Kalodner, who was influential in the lineup's formation, refused to sign the band when he landed his own record company Sanctuary.

Performing it on tour is not what their audience wants...and to alienate them removes their profitablility on tour...which is where the money IS. So, they are stuck with two, maybe three if your lucky, 'new' songs on tour. With JSS, they don't even do that on this tour.

The JSS-era has just started and therefore has no new material to play live yet, comprende?
Keep your stockings on, you fidgety old queen.

So, IMO, they are at the end of their post-Perry run.

TRANSLATION:
You hate JSS's voice and misguidedly think he will turn the band into Slipknot.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Gee, you sound like a Styx fan.

Go plunk your soured asscheeks atop of Gowan's rotating keyboard-stand and die.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But 2 1/2 CDs in 8 years IS complacency.

To be fair, many bands are far worse.

[The_Noble_Cause]

From what I read she isn't going to tour to support the album, what the hell is up with that?

What's up with that? Simple. She knows she can't sing live!! At least give her credit for recognizing her limitations. Sadly, as bad as Paris is, this is nothing different than Ricky Nelson, David and Shaun Cassidy, even William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy. There is a market for any celebrity with a substantial fan base. Don't blame the celebrity as much as the labels waving all that green in front of them....

Don't forget Lindsey Lohan!
Seriously, who buys this shit?

The most disconcerting thing is that the media is legitimazing Paris's "talent", not treating her cd like the William Hung novelty prank gift it truly is.
I saw one or two documentaries on VH1 and MTV where producers are proclaiming her to be the new sound of modern music.
Maybe it's not too late for Joe Pesci to re-release his largely ignored 1998 release and ride the wave.

[Red13JoePa]

Don't be so quick to discount the 05 tour. Sure, it carries some unfortunate baggage, but the gems that were played during the first half along with new stuff was great. Sha Na Na... whatever, we all have opinions

Indeedio....setlist wise the UTR, DeTour and the Gens/30th Anniv kept raising the bar and breaking ground.

[Red13JoePa]

[quote="Monker
So, they are stuck with two, maybe three if your lucky, 'new' songs on tour. With JSS, they don't even do that on this tour.
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That should change once their off the DL co-headlining thing and do their own shows.

[Rockindeano]

The most disconcerting thing is that the media is legitimazing Paris's "talent", not treating her cd like the William Hung novelty prank gift it truly is.

Well, the media is all over her Drunk Driving arrest from last night here in LA. a 500,000 DOLLAR Mercedes, and she cannot afford a driver? You have got to be kidding? Is she this stupid?

[Matthew]

Sounds like it's from the UK? Because it's goofy?

Here are a few of them:

Misunderstood British Phrases:

Accumulator (Car battery)
Afters (Dessert )
Aggro (Deliberate troublemaking)
Air screw (Propeller)
Alsatian (German shepherd)
Aluminium Aluminum
Antenatal (Prenatal)
Argy-bargy (Heated argument)
Back of beyond (Middle of nowhere)
Bap (Hamburger bun)
Biscuit (Cookie)
Blotto (Drunk)
Bobby (Policeman)
Bollocks (Testicles)
Bum (Buttocks)
Bun in the oven (Pregnant)
Butty (Sandwich)
Cooker (Oven)

These phrases sound goofy to Americans. There are a lot more of them here:

http://members.tripod.com/~outsidetl/la ... tish1.html

Jesus.

You forgot these gems:


Yellow/gray chicletts (Teeth)
Rancid smell (Euro Armpits)
Pussies (soccer players)
Windbag (Queen)

Okay...you're right about the yellow teeth (although we don't have the buck-tooth problem our American cousins have to live with) but the rancid armpit is definitely a speciality of the French. Also you might be interested to know that baseball is called "rounders" in the UK and it's usually played by twelve year old girls...as is hockey.

As for the Queeen...well, she's a little too cold and tight-lipped to be a "windbag"...but yes...her Christmas message can go on a bit.

[RockInDetroit]

Of Course they jumped the Shark. They haven't released any good material since Steve Perry left. Do I think that they can? Yes. But they will never be as popular as they once were and if anyone thinks they can they are kidding themselves. I am glad that whoever is in the band now keeps it going, but it is not the same.

[heardonthestreet]

[quote="Monker
So, they are stuck with two, maybe three if your lucky, 'new' songs on tour. With JSS, they don't even do that on this tour.

That should change once their off the DL co-headlining thing and do their own shows.[/quote]

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They should have stuck with it at the beginning, Joe. They had a new singer and with this, the full attention of old and new fans. The interest as to what Soto could do with these songs was there. It was the perfect occasion to get the new material heard.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well, the media is all over her Drunk Driving arrest from last night here in LA. a 500,000 DOLLAR Mercedes, and she cannot afford a driver? You have got to be kidding? Is she this stupid?

Haven't heard of this yet. Thanks.
You are like the Walter Cronkite of useless information.

Say, ever see that pussy snapshot of her in her car sans panties?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Of Course they jumped the Shark. They haven't released any good material since Steve Perry left.

Higher Place, Signs of Life, Place in Your Heart....these all stand alongside Journey's finest - from any era.
Jon and Neal didn't forget how to write great songs overnite.

[Red13JoePa]

[quote="Monker
So, they are stuck with two, maybe three if your lucky, 'new' songs on tour. With JSS, they don't even do that on this tour.

That should change once their off the DL co-headlining thing and do their own shows.

..............................

They should have stuck with it at the beginning, Joe. They had a new singer and with this, the full attention of old and new fans. The interest as to what Soto could do with these songs was there. It was the perfect occasion to get the new material heard.[/quote]

Uh uh. Not on this tour, w/ only an hour, hour and 15 minutes to play. 1 or 2 maybe rareities but beyond that, the yuppie wine and cheese crowd who comes for hits only from both bands starts going for the exits holding their ears going "That's not Don't Stop Believing "

[Matthew]

These are some recent attendence figures at the Journey shows. How do these compare with the 30th Anniversary tour? Do they suggest happier times are ahead? Or are people mainly going to see DL?



From Blabbermouth.com
The following are a few select recent heavy metal/hard rock concert
attendance figures, as reported by Billboard magazine. :

Artist/Event: DEF LEPPARD/JOURNEY
City/State: Bristow, VA
Venue: Nissan Pavilion At Stone Ridge
Date: 7/7/06
Attendance: 22,433
Capacity: 22,433

Artist/Event: DEF LEPPARD/JOURNEY
City/State: Woodlands, TX
Venue: Cynthia Mitchell Woods Pavilion
Date: 7/30/06
Attendance: 16,310
Capacity: 16,310

Artist/Event: DEF LEPPARD/JOURNEY
City/State: Tampa, FL
Venue: Ford Amphitheatre
Date: 7/11/06
Attendance: 15,172
Capacity: 19,434

Artist/Event: DEF LEPPARD/JOURNEY
City/State: Atlanta, GA
Venue: Chastain Park Amphitheatre
Date: 7/13/06
Attendance: 6,686
Capacity: 6,686

[Red13JoePa]

Little bit 'o both...the band is a major touring attraction and has been for years.

[heardonthestreet]

[quote="Monker
So, they are stuck with two, maybe three if your lucky, 'new' songs on tour. With JSS, they don't even do that on this tour.

That should change once their off the DL co-headlining thing and do their own shows.

..............................

They should have stuck with it at the beginning, Joe. They had a new singer and with this, the full attention of old and new fans. The interest as to what Soto could do with these songs was there. It was the perfect occasion to get the new material heard.

Uh uh. Not on this tour, w/ only an hour, hour and 15 minutes to play. 1 or 2 maybe rareities but beyond that, the yuppie wine and cheese crowd who comes for hits only from both bands starts going for the exits holding their ears going "That's not Don't Stop Believing "[/quote]


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Nawwwwwww! You can't keep using that ole saw.

It's a mixed fanbase of fans and DL fans, for the most part.

As far as having time for the new material, Schon could easily give up some of the time he's been hogging and let Soto freshen up the setlist a bit.

[Red13JoePa]

I guess Neal figures he DID his time the entire ROR tour playing Oh Sherrie, Strung Out and those damn motown covers so he earned his 3 minute solo now in his band.