I don't buy the "big Journey comeback"

[Rockindeano]

Deano - you've been totally against Azoff for ages - and rightly so in my opinion - but suddenly he's a good guy and it was Steve Augeri who prevented him from successfully managing the band?

Can you elaborate on this?

Sure. In my opinion, my criticism of Grandpa was right, however, I realized, he had nothing to work with. You ever try to super glue Noah's fucking Ark together? Well, having Augeri as your frontman/ singer put him in the same predicament.

Now he has a smart, sharp, well versed frontman who can flatout bring it. There are no excuses now.

My apologies to Irv. Sorry Irv. Now call me for lunch.

[A Fire Inside]

I don't understand this either.

Deano - you've been totally against Azoff for ages - and rightly so in my opinion - but suddenly he's a good guy and it was Steve Augeri who prevented him from successfully managing the band?

Can you elaborate on this?

See, I don't know why so many people take everything Dean says at face value when he occasionally does a flip like this. A couple of months ago HE KNEW Jeff was not "right" for Journey, then turned around and changed his song. I do believe things like Tapegate, but with a pretty big grain of salt...

[FormerJrnyFan]

A Journey duet with a woman? Thumbs down from me. As if Soto wasn't far enough removed from the classic sound...

Face the music AFI

Not sure what that's exactly supposed to mean, but I can guess based on your biases...

The classic sound occured a couple of decades ago, fast forward to the 21st century AFI

[Matthew]

Deano - you've been totally against Azoff for ages - and rightly so in my opinion - but suddenly he's a good guy and it was Steve Augeri who prevented him from successfully managing the band?

Can you elaborate on this?

Sure. In my opinion, my criticism of Grandpa was right, however, I realized, he had nothing to work with. You ever try to super glue Noah's fucking Ark together? Well, having Augeri as your frontman/ singer put him in the same predicament.

Now he has a smart, sharp, well versed frontman who can flatout bring it. There are no excuses now.

My apologies to Irv. Sorry Irv. Now call me for lunch.

I agree. There was no way Journey could have been successful with Augeri as the frontman - and everything that's happened since 1998 has borne this out.

So I guess the question is...why didn't Azoff try to get Augeri fired after Arrival flopped? And if he did who stood in his way?

Based purely on a outsider's perspective.... it seems that Azoff allowed certain band members too much authority over Journey's affairs, that he has passively tolerated the decline. Is this fair or accurate?

No, Azoff didn't have the star frontman he needed to make Journey a big success in the last eight years - but equally why did he tolerate the situation for so long?

Surely he could have given Schon and Cain an ultimatum? Get a new singer...or find a new manager.

Maybe it was all more complicated than that...but I'm just curious about where the leadership of this band is really coming from.

[Rockindeano]

I am not about to touch these.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Remember we also got served up a Grammy nomination with TBF.

Big fucking deal. Grammys mean nothing to fans.

Eh, just proving that TBF wasn't complete crap.

Yea, Jethro Tull beat out Metallica years ago for "Best Heavy Metal/Hard Rock" category, remember that?
The Grammy's are nothing but the ridiculous force-fed-down-your-throat media machines' party...
Meaningless...
The fact that an album like TBF spawned a Grammy nomination and Escape and Frontiers didn't VALIDATES that TBF was complete crap!
Tha's WHY it had a grammy nomination!

[Carlitto H@kk]

One more note of wisdom--if Perry can't sing, he should write songs with Neal and Jon-what a team they were! incredible tunes. Maybe Neal should consult with him before doing the next album!!!!!!!

The last time they wrote material with Perry, we got served up TBF...

How could you possibly want more?

How could you possibly not want more? It's still the best record they've recorded in the last decade by some distance...

i disagree Matty...
VOCALLY, TBF is the best in the past decade, hands down; The Voice still can't be touched

But the Songwriting, structures and melodies on Arrival, I think, are actually the best...
Imagine ARRIVAL coming out in 96 instead of TBF WITH the TBF line-up... It would have been HUGE!

[larryfromnextdoor]

Deano - you've been totally against Azoff for ages - and rightly so in my opinion - but suddenly he's a good guy and it was Steve Augeri who prevented him from successfully managing the band?

Can you elaborate on this?

Sure. In my opinion, my criticism of Grandpa was right, however, I realized, he had nothing to work with. You ever try to super glue Noah's fucking Ark together? Well, having Augeri as your frontman/ singer put him in the same predicament.

Now he has a smart, sharp, well versed frontman who can flatout bring it. There are no excuses now.

My apologies to Irv. Sorry Irv. Now call me for lunch.

hold the bus,, deano , didnt you state in a (possilby deleted) thread that you KNEW azoff was going to bolt after this year?? the band was going to fire him etc..the band hates him ,, you hate him,,,. and that he was the biggest slim on the planet!! did you make that up? is he still leaving , whats going on,,

[Carlitto H@kk]

Then why didn't Soul Sirkus work????

They weren't allowed to.

I remember hearing something to the effect that SS couldn't even mention Journey in their promos, as in "featuring Neal Schon, founding member and guitarist of Journey." Also heard that promotion was not there in force because of the impending Generations album that was due to come out; didn't want anything to take the limelight off of that.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Well someone said something about a duet...if it's a duet with JayZ or Fifty Cent then they have a shot at a big hit.........................

I can tell you for sure it's gonna be a female. It will be outstanding. Trust me on this. This is exactly who I would have picked.

CLARKSON? (I hope)
BRANCH?
CROW?
STONE?

[Monker]

hold the bus,, deano , didnt you state in a (possilby deleted) thread that you KNEW azoff was going to bolt after this year?? the band was going to fire him etc..the band hates him ,, you hate him,,,. and that he was the biggest slim on the planet!! did you make that up? is he still leaving , whats going on,,

Yep...he said it to me, "Wait until after this tour."

Well, I'm waiting, and then I'll say how wrong he was.

[NealIsGod]

Remember we also got served up a Grammy nomination with TBF.

Big fucking deal. Grammys mean nothing to fans.

Eh, just proving that TBF wasn't complete crap.

Yea, Jethro Tull beat out Metallica years ago for "Best Heavy Metal/Hard Rock" category, remember that?
The Grammy's are nothing but the ridiculous force-fed-down-your-throat media machines' party...
Meaningless...
The fact that an album like TBF spawned a Grammy nomination and Escape and Frontiers didn't VALIDATES that TBF was complete crap!
Tha's WHY it had a grammy nomination!

Great point. Grammies mean absolutely nothing.

[JrnySuxBalls]

I can tell you for sure it's gonna be a female. It will be outstanding. Trust me on this. This is exactly who I would have picked.

CLARKSON? (I hope)
BRANCH?
CROW?
STONE?

THIS makes me nervous, after all the talk of a new rockin' Journey.

Not to poop in anyone's corn flakes.

[AR]

Great point. Grammies mean absolutely nothing.

Neither does the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

[Red13JoePa]

The name and legacy of Journey is infinitely larger than any potential Soul SirkUS had - sad though that no one would give them a proper chance.

Yep, and that is no knock on SS. That project was in its infancy and Journey's a 30 year legacy juggernaut. Plus the music landscape was far friendlier to new bands then than when SS came about.

[McNeil]

Naw. Not at all. Just think though Monker, I have it and you don't. Hell, I have everything you want, and you cannot stand it.

does that include those "balsa" dental veneers?? very...erm...chic !!