BackTalk Proclamation

[Matthew]

Matthew, ur missing the point. Dean will still be Dean. He will still be controversial. He will still say off-color things. None of that will change. He just wants to stop slinging insults at BT. Andrew has wanted that to stop for a long time. I'm sure Journey wants it to stop. Can't u see the difference here?

Sure, JRox - but I still don't understand why an apology is needed. Having said that.... if Andrew wants the jokes and criticisms to stop, then that's reason enough. And there's no doubt that this will be a more interesting forum if the threads are about Journey and not about the politics between the two sites. As John said...who really cares anyway?

Matthew, I know ur an intelligent guy. Please use those brains here. U know it's not the band's fault that the announcement is delayed.

How do we know this?

There are legal matters going on here as Augeri is separated from the band. That takes time & negotiations. Lawyers are slow in these dealings as offers & counteroffers go back & forth. They sit around & consider this & that before responding reading up on caselaw & precedents, etc. But while the dealings go on, lawyers don't let anyone involved talk about it. The band doesn't want to keep the truth from us. But their hands are tied. Do u remember when Perry left & it took months for the announcement to come? It's the same thing. If u were a partner in a corp. & leaving & there were heated negotiations about who got what, u would be in the same exact situation. Ur lawyers would tell u not to talk about. Don't disrespect the band for something they can't control please.

Yes, I'm sure it is a complicated process. But Journey agreed to doing the interviews before the legalities were resolved and they gave MR the wrong estimate for when the interviews could be published...and the last announcement we did get was a bogus story about a "throat infection".

We all know what's coming so it's no big deal....but equally so far I'm not sure I can see that much 'respect' from the Journey organisation toward the few people who still give a shit...

He's not. He's just making an effort to unite fans. That's for the good of this board, the good of the band, & honestly, for the good of each one of us here too. Can't u see that?

Why would an apology from Deano to BT make any difference whatsoever to how well or badly I get on with other Journey fans?

[Granny]

In all honesty, if you don't like a certain thread by a certain poster...don't read it! I skip over many threads on this board that I have no interest in. It's really not that complicated of a concept!

John I mean this most sincerely. Perhaps u should start a thread that gives lessons in how to do just that. It seems many here have no clue & instead hijack those threads & respond to EVERY single post in them, whether they are directed to them or not. Please, go for it.

Great idea JRox. I don't do the Booze and Sex thread, the Strange and whatever thread or the Now Playing thread because I know that's not what interests me. I don't begrudge anyone else their enjoyment of those threads though. Why not let people enjoy themselves? There's usually something here for everyone and if there's not, start a thread about your interest. There's bound to be someone else interested in it, or wait a day or two. Something will come up that interests you if you're a Journey fan.

Oh Sherrie, how absolutley true...i skip those same threads for the same reasons...once in a blue moon I visit the Booze thread, but don't post on it...why can't other people do the same? There are especially 2 or 3 peeps here that reply to everything only to whine and complain about it but never have anything too add to this forum ever,...not that I have much to add, but I don't bash everybody either..why do they come here if they dislike us and our board and all of our topics???
Just to bitch at us? just to moan? why, why, why why..I don't get it......G

[fred_journeyman]

Why are u so reluctant to try and have a peace for the two boards..JUST B/C DEAN ASKED???....Suppose it was Andrew who asked? then would u believe it? Suppose it was one of the others that u hold so dear? It is still a good idea no mater who asked us to try....

Oh, excuse me, are you talking to me now? Gosh, what an honor. I have absolutely NO problem with BT - none. The only "problem" I have is based on someone's track record that this "proclamation" will not last. I'm not as gullible as some here.

So Fred, why not sit back and take a wait and see approach then. If you are proven right....you can come back with a great big ole I TOLD YA SO! But why try to derail this already?

I AM waiting to see what happens. I offered my opinion at the beginning of this thread and people commented on it, so I responded. I won't be saying "I told you so." There will be no point to that, since it will be obvious to everyone except a few.

[Marc S]

Seems to me Deano is pleased as punch with himself he had a hand in uncovering the scam but would possibly not take the same approach in hindsight. He thought he'd be treated as the second coming, when in truth, according to the 'poll' it has possibly backfired. There's also an ego the size of a planet involved here somewhere...

[Matthew]

Oh Sherrie, how absolutley true...i skip those same threads for the same reasons...once in a blue moon I visit the Booze thread, but don't post on it...why can't other people do the same? There are especially 2 or 3 peeps here that reply to everything only to whine and complain about it but never have anything too add to this forum ever,...not that I have much to add, but I don't bash everybody either..why do they come here if they dislike us and our board and all of our topics???
Just to bitch at us? just to moan? why, why, why why..I don't get it......G

Granny - I do the same thing - but in the case of this thread I responded to the invitation to comment on the sincerity of it. This was a waste of time and I can't believe I got sucked into all this nonsense - but this was the reason. I don't believe that this thread has been hijacked - but yes - I take your point that many threads are.

But the 'hijackers' aren't restricted to the "2 or 3 peeps" I think you're referring to. Go to any positive discussion about Perry or classic Journey and it won't be long before the 'bashing' starts...which is fine by me because it actually means I can have a proper debate or argument with someone instead of repeating the same positive mantras over and over again.

[rustygreen]

Ugh.... I''m unable to hold my tongue any longer......

Why is it that Dean is the only one that seems to be receiving blame? Maybe I just don't get it. Rusty, I can understand you feeling for those closest to you, but come on- not just your loved ones or the Augeri's have been hurt here.

Both sides are talking? And seeking peace? Sorry to joke here, but again- these are internet forums, people need to lighten up. Dean has aplogized to those he believes he offended. Are there any others willing to take that step or is it all Dean's fault? I'm just sick of this crap.

Lula
As we try to find a resolution there are those who, including myself that have their own personal feelings about all of this. This is not easy and to tell you the truth it's not just Dean who is trying to make this work. I also have a hand in this trying to get this past this point. I have already apologized to Dean. I apologized to you too but it was in a PM to Dean so perhaps this would be a good time to make it public. I mentioned my friends and loved ones because they touch me personally. I mention the Augeri's because no one else has and Steve and Lydia were always kind to me. This is what I feel. I know that there must be others here who have not been mentioned but I was speaking for myself. Others can do the same.

I should make something clear. When I say both sides are talking its Dean for Melodic Rock and me for Back Talk. I didn't want to mention that it was just me (although I am in discussions with the Back Talk Moderators) because if the truce stands I don't want any credit. This has never been about me but I will go to bat for my camp anytime. Andrew is well aware what Dean is trying to do. It's Dean and myself who are trying to make this work. Let me tell you it's hard to find people who even think this has a chance. This is not a kiss and make up between Dean and myself. We are not going to be best of friends when this is over. It's a shot at making things less hectic between MR and BT and their members. It's about moving forward.
I can not control what others will do or think. I'm not sure everyone will accept his apology. I'm not even sure you will accept mine. This crap just needs to end. If that means that we have to swallow our pride then so be it.

I am not saying that we don't have any blame on this end. Lots of people threw logs on the fire. But Dean was the first to light the fire and he knows that. That is why most of this is on his shoulders. He has extended the olive branch and so it's worth reaching out for it. If it doesn't work then we are none the better for it. If it does then life will be better between MR and BT.

Life is way too short for this crap to continue.

[fred_journeyman]

As we try to find a resolution there are those who, including myself that have their own personal feelings about all of this. This is not easy and to tell you the truth it's not just Dean who is trying to make this work. I also have a hand in this trying to get this past this point. I have already apologized to Dean. I apologized to you too but it was in a PM to Dean so perhaps this would be a good time to make it public. I mentioned my friends and loved ones because they touch me personally. I mention the Augeri's because no one else has and Steve and Lydia were always kind to me. This is what I feel. I know that there must be others here who have not been mentioned but I was speaking for myself. Others can do the same.

I should make something clear. When I say both sides are talking its Dean for Melodic Rock and me for Back Talk. I didn't want to mention that it was just me (although I am in discussions with the Back Talk Moderators) because if the truce stands I don't want any credit. This has never been about me but I will go to bat for my camp anytime. Andrew is well aware what Dean is trying to do. It's Dean and myself who are trying to make this work. Let me tell you it's hard to find people who even think this has a chance. This is not a kiss and make up between Dean and myself. We are not going to be best of friends when this is over. It's a shot at making things less hectic between MR and BT and their members. It's about moving forward.
I can not control what others will do or think. I'm not sure everyone will accept his apology. I'm not even sure you will accept mine. This crap just needs to end. If that means that we have to swallow our pride then so be it.

I am not saying that we don't have any blame on this end. Lots of people threw logs on the fire. But Dean was the first to light the fire and he knows that. That is why most of this is on his shoulders. He has extended the olive branch and so it's worth reaching out for it. If it doesn't work then we are none the better for it. If it does then life will be better between MR and BT.

Life is way too short for this crap to continue.

Hi Rusty,

Thanks very much for coming over here and explaining things in more detail. I appreciate it and because of your explanation, I have a better understanding of what's going on. In this case, since it is you working WITH Dean to try and make things happen, wonderful. Since it's not just Dean acting on his own, without support from someone like yourself on the opposite side of the fence, then there's much more of a real chance that this can actually take place.

I'm glad you shed more light on the subject.

Let's see what happens.

[CatEyes]

So this peace offering is ONLY for BT and NOT the Perry fans?

It is for ALL.

Thank you, Andrew

This is the exact question I had asked earlier and got questioned.

At least it is an answer.

Cat

[Clasicrockldy]

If you can't do it, maybe we can get AR or Sallee or someone else to step up to bat for you, because your posts contain NO value as far as I'm concerned and if you were in front of me right now, I'd say that to your face, dumbass.

Fred, I will say this once, and once only.................. LEAVE ME OUT OF YOUR FUCKING POSTS ! Whatever is going on between you and NIG, keep it between you two. NIG can handle himself.

And you, Fred, right now, are on my last fucking nerve.........

Sorry, Andrew.......

[Andrew]

NO more arguing...from ANYONE. Get on with life....

[whocares]

NO more arguing...from ANYONE. Get on with life....

what's THAT?

[Deb]

But the 'hijackers' aren't restricted to the "2 or 3 peeps" I think you're referring to. Go to any positive discussion about Perry or classic Journey and it won't be long before the 'bashing' starts...which is fine by me because it actually means I can have a proper debate or argument with someone instead of repeating the same positive mantras over and over again.

I agree with you there Matt, and have to say........that debate of classic Journey/Perry that you and SF-Dano had a while back in one of the threads was a interesting read with both of you bringing your points across great.

[AR]

This thread is BORING. Here's a half naked chick.

[Andrew]

As much as I love that pic AR please keep pix to the dedicated open thread.

[AR]

As much as I love that pic AR please keep pix to the dedicated open thread.

I'll do my best, but she is a hottie, isn't she?

[Granny]

As much as I love that pic AR please keep pix to the dedicated open thread.

Which open thread...did i miss it????

[Lula]

Ugh.... I''m unable to hold my tongue any longer......

Why is it that Dean is the only one that seems to be receiving blame? Maybe I just don't get it. Rusty, I can understand you feeling for those closest to you, but come on- not just your loved ones or the Augeri's have been hurt here.

Both sides are talking? And seeking peace? Sorry to joke here, but again- these are internet forums, people need to lighten up. Dean has aplogized to those he believes he offended. Are there any others willing to take that step or is it all Dean's fault? I'm just sick of this crap.

Lula
As we try to find a resolution there are those who, including myself that have their own personal feelings about all of this. This is not easy and to tell you the truth it's not just Dean who is trying to make this work. I also have a hand in this trying to get this past this point. I have already apologized to Dean. I apologized to you too but it was in a PM to Dean so perhaps this would be a good time to make it public. I mentioned my friends and loved ones because they touch me personally. I mention the Augeri's because no one else has and Steve and Lydia were always kind to me. This is what I feel. I know that there must be others here who have not been mentioned but I was speaking for myself. Others can do the same.

I should make something clear. When I say both sides are talking its Dean for Melodic Rock and me for Back Talk. I didn't want to mention that it was just me (although I am in discussions with the Back Talk Moderators) because if the truce stands I don't want any credit. This has never been about me but I will go to bat for my camp anytime. Andrew is well aware what Dean is trying to do. It's Dean and myself who are trying to make this work. Let me tell you it's hard to find people who even think this has a chance. This is not a kiss and make up between Dean and myself. We are not going to be best of friends when this is over. It's a shot at making things less hectic between MR and BT and their members. It's about moving forward.
I can not control what others will do or think. I'm not sure everyone will accept his apology. I'm not even sure you will accept mine. This crap just needs to end. If that means that we have to swallow our pride then so be it.

I am not saying that we don't have any blame on this end. Lots of people threw logs on the fire. But Dean was the first to light the fire and he knows that. That is why most of this is on his shoulders. He has extended the olive branch and so it's worth reaching out for it. If it doesn't work then we are none the better for it. If it does then life will be better between MR and BT.

Life is way too short for this crap to continue.

I really think you are making this so much bigger than it is. Dean has offered an apology, publicly for all who care to read- either accept it or don't. There is not room for conditions to be placed on an apology. Someone said it earlier in this thread- it takes a small person to not accept an apology. My name and reputation were trashed on a public forum and I'm not sitting around waiting for apologies.

As I see it, there are some who think they are better than others and that does not fly with me.

[rustygreen]

Ugh.... I''m unable to hold my tongue any longer......

Why is it that Dean is the only one that seems to be receiving blame? Maybe I just don't get it. Rusty, I can understand you feeling for those closest to you, but come on- not just your loved ones or the Augeri's have been hurt here.

Both sides are talking? And seeking peace? Sorry to joke here, but again- these are internet forums, people need to lighten up. Dean has aplogized to those he believes he offended. Are there any others willing to take that step or is it all Dean's fault? I'm just sick of this crap.

Lula
As we try to find a resolution there are those who, including myself that have their own personal feelings about all of this. This is not easy and to tell you the truth it's not just Dean who is trying to make this work. I also have a hand in this trying to get this past this point. I have already apologized to Dean. I apologized to you too but it was in a PM to Dean so perhaps this would be a good time to make it public. I mentioned my friends and loved ones because they touch me personally. I mention the Augeri's because no one else has and Steve and Lydia were always kind to me. This is what I feel. I know that there must be others here who have not been mentioned but I was speaking for myself. Others can do the same.

I should make something clear. When I say both sides are talking its Dean for Melodic Rock and me for Back Talk. I didn't want to mention that it was just me (although I am in discussions with the Back Talk Moderators) because if the truce stands I don't want any credit. This has never been about me but I will go to bat for my camp anytime. Andrew is well aware what Dean is trying to do. It's Dean and myself who are trying to make this work. Let me tell you it's hard to find people who even think this has a chance. This is not a kiss and make up between Dean and myself. We are not going to be best of friends when this is over. It's a shot at making things less hectic between MR and BT and their members. It's about moving forward.
I can not control what others will do or think. I'm not sure everyone will accept his apology. I'm not even sure you will accept mine. This crap just needs to end. If that means that we have to swallow our pride then so be it.

I am not saying that we don't have any blame on this end. Lots of people threw logs on the fire. But Dean was the first to light the fire and he knows that. That is why most of this is on his shoulders. He has extended the olive branch and so it's worth reaching out for it. If it doesn't work then we are none the better for it. If it does then life will be better between MR and BT.

Life is way too short for this crap to continue.

I really think you are making this so much bigger than it is. Dean has offered an apology, publicly for all who care to read- either accept it or don't. There is not room for conditions to be placed on an apology. Someone said it earlier in this thread- it takes a small person to not accept an apology. My name and reputation were trashed on a public forum and I'm not sitting around waiting for apologies.

As I see it, there are some who think they are better than others and that does not fly with me.

You made your point Lula. Fair enough. If Dean is still interested in making this work he knows how to get a hold of me. I'll be back on Friday.

[Crazie Scarab]

Bottom line is this, Dean's apology, whether it be real or not is not going to cause BT & MR people to get along. It will ultimately take the effort of the people that post at both BT & MR to unite BT & MR. One persons apology will not take care of the overall problem that exists between the two sites.

Dean aside, what are the rest of you going to do to help reunite the fans of Journey? I'm there posting again and trying. I'm trying to do my part, as little as it may seem..

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[AR]

You made your point Lula. Fair enough. If Dean is still interested in making this work he knows how to get a hold of me. I'll be back on Friday.

Gee mighty big of you. Who died and made you king?
Want him to suck your dick while he's at it? Did he murder someone?

Good fucking Lord.

[Andrew]

Bottom line is this, Dean's apology, whether it be real or not is not going to cause BT & MR people to get along. It will ultimately take the effort of the people that post at both BT & MR to unite BT & MR. One persons apology will not take care of the overall problem that exists between the two sites.

Exactly - and I will do my part to ensure this site is not regarded as a BT hunting ground.

The open policy remans - anything is up for discussion here, but personal attacks really do not help and in fact tarnish the good name of this site as a whole.

[ArnelRox]

Sure, JRox - but I still don't understand why an apology is needed.

I don't either. But Dean does. Anyone can say anything they want. It takes a pretty big person to apologize.

How do we know this?

We don't. But Andrew hinted at it. & come on, use ur brains. They gave Andrew the interviews. They WANT to tell us. They just can't yet.

But Journey agreed to doing the interviews before the legalities were resolved and they gave MR the wrong estimate for when the interviews could be published...and the last announcement we did get was a bogus story about a "throat infection".

So? doesn't the fact that they gave the interviews leave us suspecting they wanted them published? It does me. Figure it out. Read between the lines. Someone is holding this up & it's not the current line up (the one that toured since July 7).

We all know what's coming so it's no big deal....but equally so far I'm not sure I can see that much 'respect' from the Journey organisation toward the few people who still give a shit... [/quote[

Matthew, come on. If Augeri won't sign the fucking papers, they can't tell us. They can't announce a new member of the band until Augeri is "officially" (meaning legally) out. This is as obvious as the nose on Steve Perry's face.

Why would an apology from Deano to BT make any difference whatsoever to how well or badly I get on with other Journey fans?

Oh Jesus. This wasn't about u. It was about more peaceful boards. Would that affect u? Maybe no. It would affect most of us here tho, I bet.

[ArnelRox]

I AM waiting to see what happens. I offered my opinion at the beginning of this thread and people commented on it, so I responded. I won't be saying "I told you so." There will be no point to that, since it will be obvious to everyone except a few.

U offer ur fucking boring worn out opinion that Dean is an asshole 30 times in every thread. We all know u think Dean is an asshole. No one could possibly have any doubt. U have drilled it into our heads over & over. Many of us just don't fucking agree w/u & never will. I do think ur a complete asshole tho.

[fred_journeyman]

[Fred, I will say this once, and once only.................. LEAVE ME OUT OF YOUR FUCKING POSTS ! Whatever is going on between you and NIG, keep it between you two. NIG can handle himself.

And you, Fred, right now, are on my last fucking nerve.........

Sorry, Andrew.......

That was NICE? Wow. You're not scaring me, Sallee, so just calm down and have a chill pill. Ya dig? Good. I mean, what are you going to do, come to my house and knock my door down?

[AR]

[Fred, I will say this once, and once only.................. LEAVE ME OUT OF YOUR FUCKING POSTS ! Whatever is going on between you and NIG, keep it between you two. NIG can handle himself.

And you, Fred, right now, are on my last fucking nerve.........

Sorry, Andrew.......

That was NICE? Wow. You're not scaring me, Sallee, so just calm down and have a chill pill. Ya dig? Good. I mean, what are you going to do, come to my house and knock my door down?

No, but one might step on your 3 foot tall head like a little bug by accident.

Ever audition for the big screen version of "Fantasy Island" Tatu?

[fred_journeyman]

U offer ur fucking boring worn out opinion that Dean is an asshole 30 times in every thread. We all know u think Dean is an asshole. No one could possibly have any doubt. U have drilled it into our heads over & over. Many of us just don't fucking agree w/u & never will. I do think ur a complete asshole tho.

You're exaggerating, as usual.

So?

Good.

Great!

Glad it's sinking in.

Who cares?

I really don't care.

I'm ready and willing to see what becomes of Dean's proclamation. Now that Rusty has spoken up, I realize there's probably some "meat" to it. If left to just Deano, it wouldn't get done, but I'm glad he's working with someone from the other side of the fence. Maybe now it WILL get done. At least there's a much better chance of it happening.

And by the way, what are YOU personally doing to bring peace to both sides? Unloading your trucker mouth on me sure isn't getting it done.

[AR]

Now that Rusty has spoken up,

Oh my, oh my, Rusty has spoken. Wow, I might cream myself.

[fred_journeyman]

No, but one might step on your 3 foot tall head like a little bug by accident.

3 foot tall head? 3 foot tall head? What size is your foot, dude?! Didn't you mean to say that I AM only three feet tall, not my head is three feet tall?! I mean, that would make more sense, wouldn't it, being 3 feet tall, as opposed to having a head that's three feet tall? If I had a head that was 3 feet tall, your foot would have to be...well...HUGE!! I mean, who are you, Bozo with feet that are five feet in length? What...do you have FLIPPERS for feet? A normal person's foot just wouldn't have any effect on someone with a head that was 3 feet tall...

Ever audition for the big screen version of "Fantasy Island" Tatu?

It's "Tattoo," and no I hadn't even heard about the movie. I'm glad you're up on it. Maybe you should go for it. I mean, Tattoo always did see himself as kind of a bon vivant.

[fred_journeyman]

Oh my, oh my, Rusty has spoken. Wow, I might cream myself.

Now THERE'S an interesting headline...

"Man Creams Self While Reading Rusty"

[AR]

No, but one might step on your 3 foot tall head like a little bug by accident.

3 foot tall head? 3 foot tall head? What size is your foot, dude?! Didn't you mean to say that I AM only three feet tall, not my head is three feet tall?! I mean, that would make more sense, wouldn't it, being 3 feet tall, as opposed to having a head that's three feet tall? If I had a head that was 3 feet tall, your foot would have to be...well...HUGE!! I mean, who are you, Bozo with feet that are five feet in length? What...do you have FLIPPERS for feet? A normal person's foot just wouldn't have any effect on someone with a head that was 3 feet tall...

Ever audition for the big screen version of "Fantasy Island" Tatu?

It's "Tattoo," and no I hadn't even heard about the movie. I'm glad you're up on it. Maybe you should go for it. I mean, Tatto always did see himself as kind of a bon vivant.

For the amount of wind you blow here, I bet you suck a really mean cock. Most actors do. Maybe I could rest my beer on your head while you put that blow hard mouth of yours to better use. Hope you swallow.