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ohsherrie wrote:
I had sympathy for Augeri when all this first happened. He didn't ask to lose what was a good singing voice. He was never, IMO, vocally worthy of being the frontman for Journey, but he tried. He had a good voice, just not good enough to sing the Perry oriented material. The CDs they did after he joined were good, but not great. His bread has been buttered during his time with Journey by the Perry material that was too much for him. He should be thankful for that butter because he sure hasn't churned any of his own. Instead of thanking Journey for the time that they allowed him to have with them he's holding out for something that he hasn't earned. I no longer have any sympathy for him.
ohsherrie wrote:JeremyP wrote:
I have to respectfully disagree about Steve A. not having churned his own butter. (that sounds funny lol)
That lineup got me into Journey in the first place. They may not appeal to everyone's taste, but the Augeri era albums are very musically interesting and relevant. As a musician myself, trust me, I'm a stickler. lol
I do agree about the songs being too much for him night after night, as I think they were for Perry. Those songs have vocals which are verrry high and extremely demanding. To consistantly hit every single note as they're sung on the albums night after night on a months-long tour would be super human and I haven't heard the Journey frontman yet who could do it.
Lou Gramm has mentioned that it's been hard for him to sing the songs the way they're sung on the record, and we all know what an amazing voice he's been in the classic rock scene.
I feel like some think, "If it ain't Perry, it ain't good." I don't wanna put words into anybody's mouth so please correct me if that's what I'm doing.
Jeremy, I'm glad that you became a Journey fan for whatever reason. I'm glad you appreciated the humor of the "churned butter" thing.Yes, the songs became too much for Perry too, but they were and still are his songs. He did them in their time. None of the songs that Augeri sung were anywhere near comparable in quality or range.
I used to feel that it couldn't be Journey if it wasn't Perry. I don't anymore. It couldn't become Journey to some of we "oldtimers" with Augeri because he just couldn't deliver the same quality goods. I guess the fact that someone who never knew "Perry quality" in it's time thought the Augeri sung songs were good speaks to the quality of what's out there today.
Stick around though. With JSS onboard more great stuff is still to come.
kbo wrote:ohsherrie wrote:
I had sympathy for Augeri when all this first happened. He didn't ask to lose what was a good singing voice. He was never, IMO, vocally worthy of being the frontman for Journey, but he tried. He had a good voice, just not good enough to sing the Perry oriented material. The CDs they did after he joined were good, but not great. His bread has been buttered during his time with Journey by the Perry material that was too much for him. He should be thankful for that butter because he sure hasn't churned any of his own. Instead of thanking Journey for the time that they allowed him to have with them he's holding out for something that he hasn't earned. I no longer have any sympathy for him.
OhSherrie: Please tell me how much butter JSS has churned during his long and illustrious career? I knew about as much about JSS's work as I did about Steve Augeri prior to them both participating in Journey.
The problem is that this incarnation of Journey didn't get many others other than yourself to buy their new music. While they were "relevant" to you, to most they were only relevant as karaoke with live music. Album sales prove that
kbo wrote:ohsherrie wrote:
I had sympathy for Augeri when all this first happened. He didn't ask to lose what was a good singing voice. He was never, IMO, vocally worthy of being the frontman for Journey, but he tried. He had a good voice, just not good enough to sing the Perry oriented material. The CDs they did after he joined were good, but not great. His bread has been buttered during his time with Journey by the Perry material that was too much for him. He should be thankful for that butter because he sure hasn't churned any of his own. Instead of thanking Journey for the time that they allowed him to have with them he's holding out for something that he hasn't earned. I no longer have any sympathy for him.
OhSherrie: Please tell me how much butter JSS has churned during his long and illustrious career? I knew about as much about JSS's work as I did about Steve Augeri prior to them both participating in Journey.
Actually, Journey did have a frontman who could do it.
Of course, he didn't have to sing the same songs over and over again, because their albums were successful enough that they didn't have to rely on the same 'dirty dozen' songs.
BTW, I happen to really love his lower range, sometimes I think I like it better than his early 80's sound
JeremyP wrote:The problem is that this incarnation of Journey didn't get many others other than yourself to buy their new music. While they were "relevant" to you, to most they were only relevant as karaoke with live music. Album sales prove that
JeremyP wrote: I just feel he has, in terms of live performances, a better delivery than Perry. I can post specific examples of what I'm talking about if you'd like. Since all this is subjective to the listener anyway, I doubt we'd hear the same thing, but it'd be fun to listen and compare.
Mandi wrote: He went into the studio with the band and recorded one of the best Journey albums ever (Arrival).
Mandi wrote: Steve Augeri gave Journey eight years of his life, and he gave them happily because he lived out a dream.
Mandi wrote: He brought Journey a ton of new fans.
Mandi wrote: He brought Journey some much needed class, too.
Mandi wrote: People began to see what a great person SA is, and his reputation for caring about the fans spread to the rest of the band.
Mandi wrote: They ALL benefited from having SA in the band.
Mandi wrote: He is real person with a real family and very real bills to pay and a real life to live. He deserves to be compensated for not being able to continue.
Mandi wrote: People will always blame him for the tapegate scandal, and now they will all blame him for the hold-up to "big News". The blame for all of this should fall on all five shoulders, not just one.
Mandi wrote: Remember when we all said that eight years ago?
saint John wrote:
Not vocally they're not. Not even close. Augeri's vocals are muddled. He doesn't have the range, power or songwriting ability Perry had either. He is comparable to Perry on NO level.
JourneyRox wrote:JeremyP wrote: I just feel he has, in terms of live performances, a better delivery than Perry. I can post specific examples of what I'm talking about if you'd like. Since all this is subjective to the listener anyway, I doubt we'd hear the same thing, but it'd be fun to listen and compare.
Go ahead Jeremy put up those examples. There is NOT one single song from Perry's days w/the bands that Augeri ever did better. Not one. How u could say that is beyond me. People who followed this band for 30 yrs & supported Augeri as the frontman would not say that. Perry is the best there ever was. Jeff owns those songs but even he has said he couldn't even carry Perry's suitcases. Put up ur example. Go ahead.
JeremyP wrote:saint John wrote:
Not vocally they're not. Not even close. Augeri's vocals are muddled. He doesn't have the range, power or songwriting ability Perry had either. He is comparable to Perry on NO level.
I totally respect your opinion, and I wanna thank everyone who has made this conversation (for me) very pleasant and fun without descending into hostilities. I love talking about Journey like this.![]()
Can you please define muddled for me? You mean like not clear?
See, people who's fanship of Journey originated from different lineups can interact peacefully and constructively.
Once again, thanks everybody!
JeremyP wrote:[quote="saint John]
Muddled as far as production quality...something that wasn't really his fault. However, I just never thought he had that clear, "in your face" voice that Perry did. I grew up singing Journey songs because I learned the lyrics from repititious listening. Many of Augeri's songs, live included, seemed impossible to decipher the lyrics. His voice just wasn't clear to me. Additionally, his era of music didn't have the "catchy" choruses that Perry's era did. Higher Place came close, but that's the only one I can think of.
JeremyP wrote: I have to say that the chorus of "Signs of Life" has possibly the most Journey sounding chorus I've ever heard.
JourneyRox wrote:
Most Journey sounding compared to all the post-Perry hits? Hmm. To me, A Better Life would be the one????
P.S. Still waiting for those clip comparisons.
donnaplease wrote:JeremyP wrote:
I do agree about the songs being too much for him night after night, as I think they were for Perry. Those songs have vocals which are verrry high and extremely demanding. To consistantly hit every single note as they're sung on the albums night after night on a months-long tour would be super human and I haven't heard the Journey frontman yet who could do it.
Lou Gramm has mentioned that it's been hard for him to sing the songs the way they're sung on the record, and we all know what an amazing voice he's been in the classic rock scene.
I feel like some think, "If it ain't Perry, it ain't good." I don't wanna put words into anybody's mouth so please correct me if that's what I'm doing.
Actually, Journey did have a frontman who could do it. I don't happen to believe it was the music that has kept SP from performing, although it is a well-known fact that his voice did become lower over the years. Of course, he didn't have to sing the same songs over and over again, because their albums were successful enough that they didn't have to rely on the same 'dirty dozen' songs. For those of you who were fortunate enough to see the SP-era Journey in concert (lucky bastards!!!), am I right about this????? Please correct me if I am wrong.
BTW, I happen to really love his lower range, sometimes I think I like it better than his early 80's sound...
Rockin'Deano wrote:Journeyrox,
I Love you, you know that baby, but.....
there was one song, for whatever reason Perry didn't do justice to.
Ask the Lonely.
Am I saying Fraudgeri did it better? Hell no. But the slow down and the piano arraingement was much better. They played it way too fast under SP.
JourneyRox wrote:Rockin'Deano wrote:Journeyrox,
I Love you, you know that baby, but.....
there was one song, for whatever reason Perry didn't do justice to.
Ask the Lonely.
Am I saying Fraudgeri did it better? Hell no. But the slow down and the piano arraingement was much better. They played it way too fast under SP.
Ok I'll give u that much. Perry never sang ATL well as well live as the studio version. But he fucking sang every single other song BETTER than the studio version. & I still don't think SA's version of ATL was better than Perry & from the sounds of it, nor do u. That's all I was saying. I wanna hear ONE song SA nailed better than Perry. There isn't one that I've ever heard. Perry was the best. Even u admit that Dean baby, right?
BTW, I love u too, man ur the best. I love Lula as well. U two are one heck of a couple. Don't EVER change for anyone, ok?
JeremyP wrote:Ok, here be the first one.
Let me know if it's better to post these things in seperate posts, or just come back and edit them into the original one.
This is from the first chorus of "Open Arms". It's always irked me how Perry would hold the same note on "oooopen aaaarms" instead of singing it like on the album. I realize that it's very hard to get it exactly that way live though.
Anyway, this from the first chorus on the Perry version, and then the Augeri version.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XDTRD5TT
JourneyRox wrote:
Ok we're gonna do this one chorus of one performance? Damn. We could be here all night. U need to name ur shows. I don't remember how to make clips & too many wines tonite ain't gonna help me. But I have let's see...at least 8 or 9 live versions of Perry doing Open Arms that I could upload & they will kick Augeri's ass wide open. Even on the one u uploaded, Augeri sound nasal & like he's just singing. To me, Perry is feeling it big time.
JeremyP wrote: Augeri clip is from the Vegas dvd.
JeremyP wrote:Here's one more that I was about to send. It's "Wheel" from GH Live and Vegas dvd. Don't you find Perry's voice to be kind of warbly here whereas Augeri's is more smooth? Steve A. just has a more pleasing-to-my-ears sound on this stuff. *shrugs*
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