Trial By Fire - Revisited

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:21 am

WITOY--hate it too, should have been held over for Perry's still awaited solo follow up as a nice sentiment for his mother, sucks as a Journey song however.

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:23 am

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, I love SHML. I was supposed to play it with Frontiers this Sat. night (sorry, Jeremey!). IHSBYH is a decent song, it's no SHML, but it's cool.

NIG you have a chance to jam with jeremey and frontiers and your not doing it??!!!!

I can't. Wife has her formal office Xmas party that night. She will divorce me if I miss it.

Fortunately I have another chance to play with them in VA next month, if Jeremey and his guitarist are cool with it.

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:25 am

Easy to Fall - Geez, another slow one? Wait, it ain't half bad. I like the chorus. This one is a keeper.

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:26 am

Lula wrote: I absolutely love "Easy to Fall" ...

Me too, a great lead out solo from Neal that rivals the WCN end solo. Always wished they would have done this live.

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:28 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
Lula wrote: I absolutely love "Easy to Fall" ...

Me too, a great lead out solo from Neal that rivals the WCN end solo. Always wished they would have done this live.

Yeah, listening to that outro now. Reminds me of Neal's New Age solo stuff.

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:30 am

Can't Tame the Lion - Proves that just because a song rocks doesn't mean it's good. I want to like it, but can't. Something about it bugs me and I can't figure it out.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:30 am

NealIsGod wrote:When You Love a Woman - the video for this song, esp. when Perry steps aside so Neal can tear it up.

Punxatawney Steve deigning to allow a brief spotlight moment to one of his negligible "sidemen."

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:35 am

NealIsGod wrote:Can't Tame the Lion - Proves that just because a song rocks doesn't mean it's good. I want to like it, but can't. Something about it bugs me and I can't figure it out.

Great performance from Neal and Smitty again. But I have the same probably you might be thinking of, I think its the lyrics as the song rocks. Some of the lyrics are ok, but the can't tame the lion part of the sort of comes off as a silly metaphor.

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:36 am

NealIsGod wrote:Don't Be Down on Me Baby - This song is better than I remembered. Perry is soulful and Neal tears it up. Gotta put this one on the iPod.

You may be onto somehting.

Hell, JR thought enough of it to actually risk doing county time for it during "Le Affaire Karaoke Bar."

But as OA informed us, later in the thread, "Thank god. The bastard's off the respirator."

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:36 am

It's Just the Rain - Never goes anywhere but down. Depressing and boring.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:37 am

Message of Love - Great song. Love the shredding, screaming intro by Neal. The only downer are that the verses seem to kind of lumber along. Fortunately, the rest of the song is top-notch.

One More - The classical intro is cool. I don't like the sound of Perry's vocals on this one. Some great playing toward the end of the tune by Neal but, other than that, it doesn't do much for me.

When You Love a Woman - I love Neal's melodic, jazz-like playing on this one. Good song, though I don't think it was really quite good enough to garner a Grammy nomination.

If He Should Break Your Heart - I've always thought this was one of the better songs on this album. Again, the playing on this is excellent, though nothing really sticks out as totally superb. Still, it's a great song.

Forever in Blue - One of the worst pieces of crap ever committed to an album by Journey, in my opinion. The lyrics are awkward and the music uninspired.

Castles Burning - Again, great playing by Neal here. I also don't care for how Perry's vocals were recorded yet again and the end of the song is way too repetitive. That being said, this song is much better live than here on the album.

Don't Be Down on Me Baby - This one's not much better than "Forever in Blue" in my opinion. Not much more to say about this one.

Still She Cries - I love Perry's vocal on this one but don't care much for it altogether. I do like some of Neal's tasty, clean licks on this one, though.

Colors of the Spirit - This one's down there with FIB and DBDOMB. The African-style sound doesn't work.

When I Think of You - I originally loved this tune and then it fell out of favor. Then I learned that Perry had written this about his mother so now it doesn't quite seem so sappy. Good tune overall.

Easy to Fall - This song is okay but it doesn't really do much for me.

Can't Tame the Lion - I'd say this is tied with the title track as my favorite on the album. I love the intro.

It's Just the Rain - The pace is a little too slow on this song for me. Seems to last forever. All in all, not a bad tune but I can't listen to it very much at all.

Trial by Fire - Along with CTTL, my favorite song on the album. I love the Biblically-inspired lyrics in the first verse especially. Also my favorite vocal by SP on the album.

Baby I'm a Leavin' You - I know many don't like this one but I like it better than several other tracks here. I just take it for what it is, the guys having fun in the studio fooling around.

I Can See it in Your Eyes - It's not one of my favorites but I think it should've been included on the U.S. release in place of one of the slower tracks. Would've made a big difference in the feel of the album, in my opinion.

by **Lula** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:37 am

You've inspired me, NIG. I'm listenting now too.

I always get a sense of melancholy whenever I listen to this album.... the proverbial "what if..." haunts me and I hate that!!

by **Lula** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:39 am

conversationpc wrote:
I Can See it in Your Eyes - It's not one of my favorites but I think it should've been included on the U.S. release in place of one of the slower tracks. Would've made a big difference in the feel of the album, in my opinion.

Bummer, not on Dean's computer

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:40 am

god help me, I like Perry's voice A LOT on this record.

At times I don't care for his delivery (Over the top at points) but I like his sound.

by **Just Mindy** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:40 am

NealIsGod wrote:Castles Burning - This is Journey? People complain that Gone Crazy strays too far from the Journey sound. This doesn't? Another one that, even though it is a rocker, doesn't grab me. Don't care for the keyboard sound in this one, either.

I HATE Castles Burning, love most of the CD except this one.

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:41 am

NealIsGod wrote:It's Just the Rain - Never goes anywhere but down. Depressing and boring.

I kind of like it, no joke. Depressing songs suit Perry. Guess its his woe is me vibe thing he's had going on since 86.

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:43 am

Trial By Fire (the song) - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wow. Sure doesn't make you excited about a future Journey album with Perry.

Things happen for a reason. And what happened with Perry was too bad for all involved, but I don't think I would have liked the direction they would have taken with him back in the band. More albums like this and I can guarantee I wouldn't be on a Journey message board. :lol:

Baby I'm Leavin' You is on now. Whose idea was this one?

by **NoMoreTails** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:43 am

Red13JoePa wrote:god help me, I like Perry's voice A LOT on this record.

At times I don't care for his delivery (Over the top at points) but I like his sound.

Forever, for-ev-ahh, in blu-uuu-uh??

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:45 am

"Tooooo HHHHOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSS Reach Foa Eachuthhhaaaaaaaahhhhh"

by **Just Mindy** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:47 am

Red13JoePa wrote:"Tooooo HHHHOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSS Reach Foa Eachuthhhaaaaaaaahhhhh"

by **Red13JoePa** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:48 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Can't Tame the Lion -

the can't tame the lion part of the sort of comes off as a silly metaphor.

Bingo. Too trite or something?

Sorta cringeworthy, but overall I think the track is marvelous.

by **NealIsGod** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:50 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Can't Tame the Lion -

the can't tame the lion part of the sort of comes off as a silly metaphor.

Bingo. Too trite or something?

Sorta cringeworthy, but overall I think the track is marvelous.

I guess the title conjures up this image:

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:55 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Can't Tame the Lion -

the can't tame the lion part of the sort of comes off as a silly metaphor.

Bingo. Too trite or something?

Sorta cringeworthy, but overall I think the track is marvelous.

I guess the title conjures up this image:

by AR » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:58 am

I always get a sense of melancholy whenever I listen to this album

Sort of makes you want to slit your wrist doesn't it? Always had that effect on me.

The new spin on TBF is that it sounds more "mature" (aka boring)

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:02 am

AR wrote:The new spin on TBF is that it sounds more "mature" (aka boring)

Yeah, when was the last time you heard the word "mature" mentioned in conjunction with a Journey album and then you didn't want to puke?

by **SF-Dano** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:04 am

NealIsGod wrote:Trial By Fire (the song) - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wow. Sure doesn't make you excited about a future Journey album with Perry.

Things happen for a reason. And what happened with Perry was too bad for all involved, but I don't think I would have liked the direction they would have taken with him back in the band. More albums like this and I can guarantee I wouldn't be on a Journey message board.

Baby I'm Leavin' You is on now. Whose idea was this one?

My thoughts exactly. When I first listened to the album I suppose I tried to justify it and fool my self with this is a "more mature" Journey idea. But it did not take long for me to put this CD aside and not have much desire to listen to it anymore. 3 or 4 songs I like on it. Thats it. Dare I say, I think I like ROR a bit more than TBF :shock:

. Well neither is all that great in my opinion.

by **yogi** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:09 am

I like Trial By Fire.

The songs that I dislike are: Colors Of The Spirit, Cant Tame The Lion, and the worst EVER Journey song Baby I'm A Leavin You.

CD highlights are: Still She Cries, Trial By Fire, Forever In Blue & Dont Be Down On Me Baby.

It thought it was a rock solid comeback effort. If they would of toured behind this album it would of been HUGE!

by **dcvader** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:12 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Baby I'm Leavin' You is on now. Whose idea was this one?

SP telling us he was gone and not coming back to Journey.

by **Jeremey** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:37 am

dcvader wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Baby I'm Leavin' You is on now. Whose idea was this one?

SP telling us he was gone and not coming back to Journey.

Just like on Be Good To Yourself : "I'm heading for a long vacation." Who didn't see that one coming??

by *Laura » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:43 am

I am not surprised one bit about TBF's melancholic sound.The guys were not in the greatest state of their collective mind,so to speak.
There was a lot of sadness,regret and anger behind that album...

As for the record itself,everytime I play it,I go directly to 'Still She Cries'.Love Perry's voice on it,but what really touches me is Cain's piano solo - I don't know how to describe that solo.....it's like the song had some little holes of different shapes and Cain found the right shaped notes for the right holes. :shock:

Ok,I was trying to say that it is a perfect piano solo. :lol:

Oh,and I really dislike 'Colors of the Spirit'.Always skip it.

MR

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