Pre-TBF reunion lineup (Deano, TNC, Monker ....)

[SF-Dano]

After the post TBF fiasco, does anyone know why Journey did not come back with the proposed pre-TBF line-up that included Rolie and Chalfant. Was there a falling out between Neal and Greg (Neal still did a guest spot on Roots)? Did Jon have second thoughts about his position within the group? Did Sony absolutely not want Chanlfant? Anyone have some knowlege on this? Deano, TNC, Monker.......

[JeremyP]

Did Sony absolutely not want Chalfant?

I suspect this. I think they wanted the cash cow lineup.

[Jeremey]

Sony wouldn't have anything to do with anything but the "Escape" lineup. Perry & Moyes Lucas both claim they held Perry over a barrel about promotion for FTLOSM unless the deal was put together. I also wonder how the Cain/Rolie combination would have worked out from an ego standpoint. Seems odd to have 2 keyboard players in the band.

[JeremyP]

Seems odd to have 2 keyboard players in the band.

I know, I would have been interested to see how that would have worked.

[Jeremey]

When Cain came back to write Trial By Fire, and especially on Arrival, I felt like his keyboard choices were much more in line with the "classic rock" sound of Rolie - ie, much more piano and organ, much less polysynth and obie horns. I wonder if he had the chance to jam with Gregg at the time or if Neal's "Beyond the Thunder" had rubbed off on him too much.

[Abitaman]

When Cain came back to write Trial By Fire, and especially on Arrival, I felt like his keyboard choices were much more in line with the "classic rock" sound of Rolie - ie, much more piano and organ, much less polysynth and obie horns. I wonder if he had the chance to jam with Gregg at the time or if Neal's "Beyond the Thunder" had rubbed off on him too much.

Beyound the Thunder is my favorite Schon solo cd.

I think Cain was to be used as a keyboard player and second guitarist, with Rolie doing only keys-ERIC

[SF-Dano]

Sony wouldn't have anything to do with anything but the "Escape" lineup. Perry & Moyes Lucas both claim they held Perry over a barrel about promotion for FTLOSM unless the deal was put together. I also wonder how the Cain/Rolie combination would have worked out from an ego standpoint. Seems odd to have 2 keyboard players in the band.

I am talking about after TBF and the Perry/Journey split. Arrival was on Sony, wasn't it? So Perry was gone and Sony knew it. I am just curious why they had to go through the vocalists auditions, when they could have possibly gotten the Chalfant/Rolie line-up back. It just seems that after being snub in favor of Perry, that possibly Rollie was a bit pissed at Neal. But then again, he has Neal guest on his Roots album. Maybe it was as you alluded that Jon may have had some second thoughts about the situation.

[Jeremey]

Beyound the Thunder is my favorite Schon solo cd.

I think Cain was to be used as a keyboard player and second guitarist, with Rolie doing only keys-ERIC

It's one of my favorite CDs, ever, in any style of music.

I feel like such a moe, when we met JSS and Neal in Columbia last month, I had a BTT CD jacket in my coat pocket that I wanted Neal to sign, but when he came out and started talking to me like a regular "band dude," I would have felt douche chills had I reached into my coat pocket and brought out the CD jacket. It's still there...unsigned, alas.

Anyway, a Rolie/Cain songwriting collaboration would have been very interesting!

[The_Noble_Cause]

After the post TBF fiasco, does anyone know why Journey did not come back with the proposed pre-TBF line-up that included Rolie and Chalfant. Was there a falling out between Neal and Greg (Neal still did a guest spot on Roots)? Did Jon have second thoughts about his position within the group? Did Sony absolutely not want Chanlfant? Anyone have some knowlege on this? Deano, TNC, Monker.......

Here's what I know. Consider it the official "Chalfant Journey" FAQ.
Its still very sketchy.
Anyone who knows more is encouraged to add on.

________________________________________________


Kevin, Rolie and the guys (Jon & Neal) were writing together, that much is known.
Kevin confirmed this in several interviews.
One with our very own fearless Wombat leader, Andrew.

http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/k ... ant00.html

Andrew: "Ok, tough question...we all know you almost had the job as vox in Journey...what really went wrong?"

Kevin Chalfant: "Man, Andrew, you like to dig don't you? I am going to buy you a tractor with a back hoe on it one of these days!
Journey...they are my musical family. I have gotten so much from being associated with their incredible legacy. First of all, I harbor no bitterness of anger for the decision they have made. Many people ask me this question and I have to say that I am just very blessed and fortunate to be able to say that they are my friends. I had been writing with Neal, Jonathan, and Gregg when the rumors were flying.Steve Perry came back to make another record and Ross told me that they (Steve & Ross) had discussed me. He told Ross that he thought that I was a great singer, the feelings are mutual. After that record was released, the feelings about my involvement changed. I can't put my finger on any one thing. It doesn't really matter though. Steve Augeri is a great guy and a great talent. I hope that they let us open for them. It sure would make for an exciting evening for the fans, would it not?"


There is a theory that when Sony caught wind of the fact that Journey was reforming sans Perry, it served as a gadfly for Sony to do everything in their power to lure Perry back in. They didn't want to sign Journey without Perry. So in return for one last push of a FTLOSM single, Perry acquiesced and agreed to join his former bandmates. Or so goes the theory.

Steve's drummer in the FTLOSM band sorta confirmed this saying,

"We could have worked for another 2 years easily, but it wasn't just the Bronchitis thing, once Steve recovered from that from what I know Sony was saying "Look, if you come to the table to talk about doing this Journey Reunion thing (TBF), we will release another single off your solo CD" (FTLOSM). So of course he did that and they released the single yet didn't support it and just let it fall to the side sorta. But that's what got him to go back in to do the Journey Reunion."


Also, the alleged "Rolie + Kevin" lineup was also semi confirmed on a radio interview several years back (not sure which program, maybe Rockline) where Ross was asked what happened to the idea of Rolie coming back into the fold. Ross said (paraphrasing here) that Sony wanted a lineup that most closely resembled the Escape era, and that's why it never came to be.

[RedWingFan]

After the post TBF fiasco, does anyone know why Journey did not come back with the proposed pre-TBF line-up that included Rolie and Chalfant. Was there a falling out between Neal and Greg (Neal still did a guest spot on Roots)? Did Jon have second thoughts about his position within the group? Did Sony absolutely not want Chanlfant? Anyone have some knowlege on this? Deano, TNC, Monker.......

Kevin, Rolie and the guys (Jon & Neal) were writing together, that much is known.
Kevin confirmed this in several interviews.
One with our very own fearless Wombat leader, Andrew.

This story bums me out everytime I hear it. Kevin's R&B flavored singing style and his writing abilities make him my choice for Journey's singer. He'd be perfect for the gig, the best possible Journey w/o Perry. I don't think I'm dropping any more coin on Journey til either of these happen.

[Jeremey]

Kevin's R&B flavored singing style and his writing abilities make him my choice for Journey's singer.

I can appreciate your being a fan of Kevin's, but if you're making the comparison based on an R&B singing style, have you actually heard anything else Jeff Scott Soto has done besides Skrapp Metal?

[Rockindeano]

Kevin's R&B flavored singing style and his writing abilities make him my choice for Journey's singer.

I can appreciate your being a fan of Kevin's, but if you're making the comparison based on an R&B singing style, have you actually heard anything else Jeff Scott Soto has done besides Skrapp Metal?

Honestly Jeremy, after hearing Skrapp Metal, is there really anything worthy of a spin? I think not.

Hey, people, just a reminder, Jeremey is the author of this line, once uttered here at MR and very funny at the time:

Columbia, SC, afer watching Steve Augeri throw down another flawless night of singing, to which not a single note was muffed , Jeremey went up to Ross Valory and said, "Ross, you bass playin' motherfucker!" I still laugh after imagining Ross' look.


It was almost as good as Reardon's epic: "Randy Jackson is a fat fuckin' cotton picker."

[SF-Dano]

After the post TBF fiasco, does anyone know why Journey did not come back with the proposed pre-TBF line-up that included Rolie and Chalfant. Was there a falling out between Neal and Greg (Neal still did a guest spot on Roots)? Did Jon have second thoughts about his position within the group? Did Sony absolutely not want Chanlfant? Anyone have some knowlege on this? Deano, TNC, Monker.......

Here's what I know. Consider it the official "Chalfant Journey" FAQ.
Its still very sketchy.
Anyone who knows more is encouraged to add on.

________________________________________________


Kevin, Rolie and the guys (Jon & Neal) were writing together, that much is known.
Kevin confirmed this in several interviews.
One with our very own fearless Wombat leader, Andrew.

http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/k ... ant00.html

Andrew: "Ok, tough question...we all know you almost had the job as vox in Journey...what really went wrong?"

Kevin Chalfant: "Man, Andrew, you like to dig don't you? I am going to buy you a tractor with a back hoe on it one of these days!
Journey...they are my musical family. I have gotten so much from being associated with their incredible legacy. First of all, I harbor no bitterness of anger for the decision they have made. Many people ask me this question and I have to say that I am just very blessed and fortunate to be able to say that they are my friends. I had been writing with Neal, Jonathan, and Gregg when the rumors were flying.Steve Perry came back to make another record and Ross told me that they (Steve & Ross) had discussed me. He told Ross that he thought that I was a great singer, the feelings are mutual. After that record was released, the feelings about my involvement changed. I can't put my finger on any one thing. It doesn't really matter though. Steve Augeri is a great guy and a great talent. I hope that they let us open for them. It sure would make for an exciting evening for the fans, would it not?"


There is a theory that when Sony caught wind of the fact that Journey was reforming sans Perry, it served as a gadfly for Sony to do everything in their power to lure Perry back in. They didn't want to sign Journey without Perry. So in return for one last push of a FTLOSM single, Perry acquiesced and agreed to join his former bandmates. Or so goes the theory.

Steve's drummer in the FTLOSM band sorta confirmed this saying,

"We could have worked for another 2 years easily, but it wasn't just the Bronchitis thing, once Steve recovered from that from what I know Sony was saying "Look, if you come to the table to talk about doing this Journey Reunion thing (TBF), we will release another single off your solo CD" (FTLOSM). So of course he did that and they released the single yet didn't support it and just let it fall to the side sorta. But that's what got him to go back in to do the Journey Reunion."


Also, the alleged "Rolie + Kevin" lineup was also semi confirmed on a radio interview several years back (not sure which program, maybe Rockline) where Ross was asked what happened to the idea of Rolie coming back into the fold. Ross said (paraphrasing here) that Sony wanted a lineup that most closely resembled the Escape era, and that's why it never came to be.

This sounds like before TBF. Is that the case, or am I just missing something? I am really trying to find out what happened post TBF and prior to Arrival. Why did Neal and Jon go to the trouble of auditioning singers (ie. Augeri, Tate, etc.) if Chalfant was ready to come on board? They were ready to go with this line pre-TBF and then Sony got involved and we got the Perry reunion. That I understand. But after TBF Sony knew Perry was out for good, so what was the snag in trying again to bring Rollie/Chalfant in prior to Arrival? Maybe there really isn't any info out there on this. It just seems like some resentment must have still been there between Chalfant/Rollie and Neal/Jon. Just curious, but hey, maybe the only ones who know about this time frame are the principals themselves.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This sounds like before TBF. Is that the case, or am I just missing something?

The Chalfant interview is from 2000 after Arrival.
I'm really not sure how much more I can help you.
Neal has stated that Kevin was considered, but since "The Storm" already was essentially a mini-Journey band, he wanted to leave that be and start fresh.

It just seems like some resentment must have still been there between Chalfant/Rollie and Neal/Jon. Just curious, but hey, maybe the only ones who know about this time frame are the principals themselves.

I think Monker has mentioned that Neal shafted Rolie by leaving Abraxas Pool and therefore, there is some bad blood.
I have no information on that.

[SF-Dano]

This sounds like before TBF. Is that the case, or am I just missing something?

The Chalfant interview is from 2000 after Arrival.
I'm really not sure how much more I can help you.
Neal has stated that Kevin was considered, but since "The Storm" already was essentially a mini-Journey band, he wanted to leave that be and start fresh.

It just seems like some resentment must have still been there between Chalfant/Rollie and Neal/Jon. Just curious, but hey, maybe the only ones who know about this time frame are the principals themselves.

I think Monker has mentioned that Neal shafted Rolie by leaving Abraxas Pool and therefore, there is some bad blood.
I have no information on that.

Thanks for your input, TNC

[Deb]

Here's what I know. Consider it the official "Chalfant Journey" FAQ.
Its still very sketchy.
Anyone who knows more is encouraged to add on.

________________________________________________


Kevin, Rolie and the guys (Jon & Neal) were writing together, that much is known.
Kevin confirmed this in several interviews.
One with our very own fearless Wombat leader, Andrew.

http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/k ... ant00.html

Andrew: "Ok, tough question...we all know you almost had the job as vox in Journey...what really went wrong?"

Kevin Chalfant: "Man, Andrew, you like to dig don't you? I am going to buy you a tractor with a back hoe on it one of these days!
Journey...they are my musical family. I have gotten so much from being associated with their incredible legacy. First of all, I harbor no bitterness of anger for the decision they have made. Many people ask me this question and I have to say that I am just very blessed and fortunate to be able to say that they are my friends. I had been writing with Neal, Jonathan, and Gregg when the rumors were flying.Steve Perry came back to make another record and Ross told me that they (Steve & Ross) had discussed me. He told Ross that he thought that I was a great singer, the feelings are mutual. After that record was released, the feelings about my involvement changed. I can't put my finger on any one thing. It doesn't really matter though. Steve Augeri is a great guy and a great talent. I hope that they let us open for them. It sure would make for an exciting evening for the fans, would it not?"


There is a theory that when Sony caught wind of the fact that Journey was reforming sans Perry, it served as a gadfly for Sony to do everything in their power to lure Perry back in. They didn't want to sign Journey without Perry. So in return for one last push of a FTLOSM single, Perry acquiesced and agreed to join his former bandmates. Or so goes the theory.

Steve's drummer in the FTLOSM band sorta confirmed this saying,

"We could have worked for another 2 years easily, but it wasn't just the Bronchitis thing, once Steve recovered from that from what I know Sony was saying "Look, if you come to the table to talk about doing this Journey Reunion thing (TBF), we will release another single off your solo CD" (FTLOSM). So of course he did that and they released the single yet didn't support it and just let it fall to the side sorta. But that's what got him to go back in to do the Journey Reunion."


Also, the alleged "Rolie + Kevin" lineup was also semi confirmed on a radio interview several years back (not sure which program, maybe Rockline) where Ross was asked what happened to the idea of Rolie coming back into the fold. Ross said (paraphrasing here) that Sony wanted a lineup that most closely resembled the Escape era, and that's why it never came to be.

Hmmm, didn't know most of that.....interesting stuff, thanks.

[Jeremey]

Hey, people, just a reminder, Jeremey is the author of this line, once uttered here at MR and very funny at the time:

Columbia, SC, afer watching Steve Augeri throw down another flawless night of singing, to which not a single note was muffed , Jeremey went up to Ross Valory and said, "Ross, you bass playin' motherfucker!" I still laugh after imagining Ross' look.

Here's the whole story on that. Not one of my proudest moments. Had drank about 8 of those $10 House of Blues 24 ounce beers, plus a sixer before hand. After the show, Barry and I were bombed. We decided to go on a mission to catch the band getting on the bus after the show, and Sabrina, playing den mother and knowing me quite well, thought that would not be a good idea.

I guess everyone was already on the bus when we got out there, but there were maybe 30 people standing around, so Ross drew the short straw and made his way down the handshake line. The girl to my right was a bass player, apparently, and when Ross got to her, they started talking shop. Being wasted, I kind of thought the whole conversation was a little goofy. I don't know why - Because it wasn't - But in that frame of mind I didn't know any better. I overheard Ross talking about his Curbow bass to her, and then he turned and stuck out his hand to me. I blurted out, "Ross, you Curbow playin' motherfucker!" Ross looked shocked and dismayed, and went to shake Barry's hand while looking at Sabrina with a "What is he on?" face.

I do believe my original story said "Bass playin' motherfucker," but over time I have gotten less embarassed by it, and felt like the true story should come out.

Lick ass!

[Scarab Pilot]

Hey, people, just a reminder, Jeremey is the author of this line, once uttered here at MR and very funny at the time:

Columbia, SC, afer watching Steve Augeri throw down another flawless night of singing, to which not a single note was muffed , Jeremey went up to Ross Valory and said, "Ross, you bass playin' motherfucker!" I still laugh after imagining Ross' look.

Here's the whole story on that. Not one of my proudest moments. Had drank about 8 of those $10 House of Blues 24 ounce beers, plus a sixer before hand. After the show, Barry and I were bombed. We decided to go on a mission to catch the band getting on the bus after the show, and Sabrina, playing den mother and knowing me quite well, thought that would not be a good idea.

I guess everyone was already on the bus when we got out there, but there were maybe 30 people standing around, so Ross drew the short straw and made his way down the handshake line. The girl to my right was a bass player, apparently, and when Ross got to her, they started talking shop. Being wasted, I kind of thought the whole conversation was a little goofy. I don't know why - Because it wasn't - But in that frame of mind I didn't know any better. I overheard Ross talking about his Curbow bass to her, and then he turned and stuck out his hand to me. I blurted out, "Ross, you Curbow playin' motherfucker!" Ross looked shocked and dismayed, and went to shake Barry's hand while looking at Sabrina with a "What is he on?" face.

I do believe my original story said "Bass playin' motherfucker," but over time I have gotten less embarassed by it, and felt like the true story should come out.

Lick ass!

Hilarious story.

[RedWingFan]

Kevin's R&B flavored singing style and his writing abilities make him my choice for Journey's singer.

I can appreciate your being a fan of Kevin's, but if you're making the comparison based on an R&B singing style, have you actually heard anything else Jeff Scott Soto has done besides Skrapp Metal?

No but I saw Journey twice on this tour and the Storm open for Bryan Adams in '92. Kevin, Rollie & Ross were great together. (Smith didn't tour with them) The Storm were better.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Hey, people, just a reminder, Jeremey is the author of this line, once uttered here at MR and very funny at the time:

Ross looked shocked and dismayed, and went to shake Barry's hand while looking at Sabrina with a "What is he on?" face

great story!!! ive never said anything embarrassing to a musician.. ........

[Aaron]

Raiderfan,

I seen the same line up and agree with your comments. The Storm kicked ass.

L8r,

Aaron

Kevin's R&B flavored singing style and his writing abilities make him my choice for Journey's singer.

I can appreciate your being a fan of Kevin's, but if you're making the comparison based on an R&B singing style, have you actually heard anything else Jeff Scott Soto has done besides Skrapp Metal?

No but I saw Journey twice on this tour and the Storm open for Bryan Adams in '92. Kevin, Rollie & Ross were great together. (Smith didn't tour with them) The Storm were better.

[Rockindeano]

I am going to try to sit down with Greg Rolie in early January and get the grit from him. I am seeing his garage band in Redwood City.

As a Journey fan, I wish the time period from 1986 through 1993 would just vanish.

[JeremyP]

I am going to try to sit down with Greg Rolie in early January and get the grit from him. I am seeing his garage band in Redwood City.

As a Journey fan, I wish the time period from 1986 through 1993 would just vanish.

I take it you're not a Bad English fan?

Good luck with your Gregg interview or sit-down, or fat-chewing session, whatever it turns out to be.






Edited to wish Dean good luck with getting Gregg to spill the rockin' beanos.

[Rockindeano]

I am going to try to sit down with Greg Rolie in early January and get the grit from him. I am seeing his garage band in Redwood City.

As a Journey fan, I wish the time period from 1986 through 1993 would just vanish.

I take it you're not a Bad English fan?

Good luck with your Gregg interview or sit-down, or fat-chewing session, whatever it turns out to be.


Bad English? Are you kidding me? Yeah, so they had Neal and Deen. Friga looked like a gay Napolean all dressed up in long gowns and frilly white ruffle shirts. Then you add in a Euro trash singer in Jon Waite...yeah, that dude walks like he just got pumped in the back door.

No thanks.






Edited to wish Dean good luck with getting Gregg to spill the rockin' beanos.

[JeremyP]

Friga looked like a gay Napolean all dressed up in long gowns and frilly white ruffle shirts.

LOL!!

[jrnyman28]

Herbie has said that Kevin would bring personality problems to Journey.
I have also heard that Gregg was "shafted" by Neal about Abraxas Pool.

I think Neal may have wanted a lead singer who was not going to be "pushy" about anything.
Gregg seems to hold no real ill-will toward Neal, even working with him again on Roots. But Gregg also said that he was not "into" that type of music for quite a while. He only contradicted himself by playing Journey music in concert (many times with Kevin singing the Perry leads).

[AlienC]

Sony wouldn't have anything to do with anything but the "Escape" lineup. Perry & Moyes Lucas both claim they held Perry over a barrel about promotion for FTLOSM unless the deal was put together. I also wonder how the Cain/Rolie combination would have worked out from an ego standpoint. Seems odd to have 2 keyboard players in the band.

I am talking about after TBF and the Perry/Journey split. Arrival was on Sony, wasn't it? So Perry was gone and Sony knew it. I am just curious why they had to go through the vocalists auditions, when they could have possibly gotten the Chalfant/Rolie line-up back. It just seems that after being snub in favor of Perry, that possibly Rollie was a bit pissed at Neal. But then again, he has Neal guest on his Roots album. Maybe it was as you alluded that Jon may have had some second thoughts about the situation.

If I may interject into this, (as this was the time I came back onboard with Journey Inc.),

There was a point where we have exactly that line up mentioned previously ..... Schon, Valory, Smith, Cain, Rolie & Chalfant.
This line up performed at the Herbie Herbert Roast Benefit for Thunder Road Foundation and I think if you ask Ms. Laura nicely, (et al FanAsylum), one may get pictoral proof. I have photos (somewhere in the 50,000 odd photos I have from 25 years in the biz)of Jon and Rolie playing 4 handed on the whale. Vibes within this incarnation were good
At this point, Herbie was still involved, spiritually speaking, and there was considerable movement of resources in an effort to create a state where chemistry might re-ignite. I think there was just a fair (reasonable) amount of trepidation on the part of the 2 primary stockholders of going the route without Perry without having gone to the mat with SONY as far as SP was concerned.
Alas, it was not to be within that time and space. One of my last "Should-a , Would-A, Could-A" conversations EVAH with Herbie was about that particular line up and the biz that could have been as a result.....

Just think.... EVERYTHING from TOPAZ and MYSTERY MOUNTAIN onward. A 3 hour show.... A three hour show.... The weather started getting rough, the tiny band was tossed. If not for the courage of the FEARLESS CREW.... oh wait.... that's in MY HEAD......


Ahhh , what could have been.....

[Jeremey]

If I may interject into this, (as this was the time I came back onboard with Journey Inc.),

There was a point where we have exactly that line up mentioned previously ..... Schon, Valory, Smith, Cain, Rolie & Chalfant.
This line up performed at the Herbie Herbert Roast Benefit for Thunder Road Foundation and I think if you ask Ms. Laura nicely, (et al FanAsylum), one may get pictoral proof. I have photos (somewhere in the 50,000 odd photos I have from 25 years in the biz)of Jon and Rolie playing 4 handed on the whale. Vibes within this incarnation were good
At this point, Herbie was still involved, spiritually speaking, and there was considerable movement of resources in an effort to create a state where chemistry might re-ignite. I think there was just a fair (reasonable) amount of trepidation on the part of the 2 primary stockholders of going the route without Perry without having gone to the mat with SONY as far as SP was concerned.
Alas, it was not to be within that time and space. One of my last "Should-a , Would-A, Could-A" conversations EVAH with Herbie was about that particular line up and the biz that could have been as a result.....

Just think.... EVERYTHING from TOPAZ and MYSTERY MOUNTAIN onward. A 3 hour show.... A three hour show.... The weather started getting rough, the tiny band was tossed. If not for the courage of the FEARLESS CREW.... oh wait.... that's in MY HEAD......


Ahhh , what could have been.....

I remember reading about this in Rolling Stone, it must have been about 1990?? At the time RS said that Chalfant fit in nicely, saying something to the effect that the only one believing Perry was replaceable was maybe Perry's mom.

[AlienC]

I remember reading about this in Rolling Stone, it must have been about 1990?? At the time RS said that Chalfant fit in nicely, saying something to the effect that the only one believing Perry was replaceable was maybe Perry's mom.

1994 @ Bimbo's 365 Club, iirc.
A couple of Doobie Bros, , some gus from Huey, Carabello and Schrieve and Chepito from Santana also played. I believe this lead to ABRAXAS being formed out of frustration that JOURNEY was out of reach at that point. A bunch of blues guys whose name escape me at the moment.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Article that recounts the event.

http://www.journey-tribute.com/journey/ ... nical.html