Stupid, boring, predictable Perry

Voted Worlds #1 Most Loonatic Fanbase

Moderator: Andrew

Stupid, boring, predictable Perry

Postby AR » Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:43 pm

If there is a thread calling Journey all of this, then Perry MORE than deserves one too after that total fluff piece of an interview this past week. Same things he has said the last 10 years.
User avatar
AR
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8530
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am

Postby jrnychick » Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:49 pm

I have to agree with you. I love Steve Perry, but why does he bother to do any interviews/ Q&As if he's not going to tell us anything new? I'm not that excited about him spending 2 days in a studio with a band I've never heard of. I'm also not really interested in hearing remasters of the Journey cds I already own.
jrnychick
8 Track
 
Posts: 618
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:52 am

Re: Stupid, boring, predictable Perry

Postby Matthew » Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:55 pm

AR wrote:If there is a thread calling Journey all of this, then Perry MORE than deserves one too


And so do you, AR.
User avatar
Matthew
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 4979
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:47 am
Location: London

Re: Stupid, boring, predictable Perry

Postby AR » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:20 am

Matthew wrote:
AR wrote:If there is a thread calling Journey all of this, then Perry MORE than deserves one too


And so do you, AR.


Congratulations Matthew, you have just been elected to AR's:

Image

Let me know when your geriatric idol records something. He'll be almost 60 years old and still the sheep wait for their Messiah. LMFAO!
User avatar
AR
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8530
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am

Postby EightyRock » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:39 am

Hmmm....maybe nothing new of his own to promote, but it beats HANDS DOWN what Journey has done the past couple years. The only thing they promoted was lippin' & collecting our hard earned cash.
As long as Perry is the one trying to protect what is left of Journey's legacy, then he's doing his job for Journey fans...a much better job than brother Neal & co. have been doing. I could rag on Perry all day for not doing what I want him to do, but in the end I know it ain't gonna change if or when he'll do something. Alot of people's frustration with him is at an all time high, knowing the dude probably still has the goods but won't share them. Not my call. I'm glad he didn't take the route Journey took. He also never says jack shit negative toward the rest of the band, nomatter what stupid shit they do. Gives him a major pass in my book. He could have just ignored the fans altogether, like the rest of Journey has been doing for years.
EightyRock
8 Track
 
Posts: 783
Joined: Wed Jun 04, 2003 10:05 am

Postby AR » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:45 am

EightyRock wrote:Hmmm....maybe nothing new of his own to promote, but it beats HANDS DOWN what Journey has done the past couple years. The only thing they promoted was lippin' & collecting our hard earned cash.
As long as Perry is the one trying to protect what is left of Journey's legacy, then he's doing his job for Journey fans...a much better job than brother Neal & co. have been doing. I could rag on Perry all day for not doing what I want him to do, but in the end I know it ain't gonna change if or when he'll do something. Alot of people's frustration with him is at an all time high, knowing the dude probably still has the goods but won't share them. Not my call. I'm glad he didn't take the route Journey took. He also never says jack shit negative toward the rest of the band, nomatter what stupid shit they do. Gives him a major pass in my book. He could have just ignored the fans altogether, like the rest of Journey has been doing for years.


You know as much as I am in the opposite opinion with you on this - that is still a nice, well thought out post. I disagree with it, in that I think Perry does shit on his fans by spewing out the same tired old lines in interviews and that he wishes Journey would have died right along with his own voice and career.

However, I do respect your thoughts on this and you stated your side well.
User avatar
AR
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8530
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am

Postby Wildfire » Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:51 am

EightyRock wrote:Hmmm....maybe nothing new of his own to promote, but it beats HANDS DOWN what Journey has done the past couple years. The only thing they promoted was lippin' & collecting our hard earned cash.
As long as Perry is the one trying to protect what is left of Journey's legacy, then he's doing his job for Journey fans...a much better job than brother Neal & co. have been doing. I could rag on Perry all day for not doing what I want him to do, but in the end I know it ain't gonna change if or when he'll do something. Alot of people's frustration with him is at an all time high, knowing the dude probably still has the goods but won't share them. Not my call. I'm glad he didn't take the route Journey took. He also never says jack shit negative toward the rest of the band, nomatter what stupid shit they do. Gives him a major pass in my book. He could have just ignored the fans altogether, like the rest of Journey has been doing for years.


High Five dude!!! Good post. :lol:
User avatar
Wildfire
45 RPM
 
Posts: 308
Joined: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:02 pm

Postby Moon Beam » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:04 am

EightyRock wrote:Hmmm....maybe nothing new of his own to promote, but it beats HANDS DOWN what Journey has done the past couple years. The only thing they promoted was lippin' & collecting our hard earned cash.
As long as Perry is the one trying to protect what is left of Journey's legacy, then he's doing his job for Journey fans...a much better job than brother Neal & co. have been doing. I could rag on Perry all day for not doing what I want him to do, but in the end I know it ain't gonna change if or when he'll do something. Alot of people's frustration with him is at an all time high, knowing the dude probably still has the goods but won't share them. Not my call. I'm glad he didn't take the route Journey took. He also never says jack shit negative toward the rest of the band, nomatter what stupid shit they do. Gives him a major pass in my book. He could have just ignored the fans altogether, like the rest of Journey has been doing for years.


Good post and I agree.
http://moonbeamsmindgrounds.blogspot.com/
Good, Bad Or Ugly, Live It, Love It Or Leave It.
User avatar
Moon Beam
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 7824
Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:45 am
Location: Here But Not All There

Postby yogi » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:09 am

Journey died the minute the group and everyone in their inner circle led by Neal Schon decided to con their fans with tapegate. Steve Augeri WAS NOT the only band member lipping' 'Open My Eyes To A ........' As far as I know Jonathan lips errrrr I mean sings that part.


When Steve Perry quit Journey he asked Neal to NOT fracture the Journey name.

Allowing every band member plus roadies a lead on Generations regardless of vocal ability did just that.

Running a new lead singer out mid tour did just that.

Conning your ever faithful fans by memorixing parts of your show did just that.

P.S. GREAT post Eighty Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yogi
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 4441
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:57 am
Location: Carthage, Texas (FREE health care, housing, autos, gas, food, entertainment, FOR ALL!!)

Postby AR » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:14 am

Running a new lead singer out mid tour did just that.


No, that was a GREAT move. (and it was very early in the tour)
User avatar
AR
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8530
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am

Postby Arkansas » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:15 am

jrnychick wrote: ... why does he bother to do any interviews/ Q&As ...


Because he has a Journey catalogue to sell! And greatist hits/classic albums are well-known Cmas sellers.
New news, or no new news, matters not. I don't think it's about news at all. It's about record sales. Just do a little PR, especially on the tails of the band's tour, and watch those albums fly off the racks for Cmas.


later~
Arkansas
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 2565
Joined: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:23 am
Location: duh?

Postby Scarab Pilot » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:15 am

yogi wrote:Journey died the minute the group and everyone in their inner circle led by Neal Schon decided to con their fans with tapegate. Steve Augeri WAS NOT the only band member lipping' 'Open My Eyes To A ........' As far as I know Jonathan lips errrrr I mean sings that part.


When Steve Perry quit Journey he asked Neal to NOT fracture the Journey name.

Allowing every band member plus roadies a lead on Generations regardless of vocal ability did just that.

Running a new lead singer out mid tour did just that.

Conning your ever faithful fans by memorixing parts of your show did just that.

P.S. GREAT post Eighty Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Great posts both Yogi and Eighty Rock.
Scarab Pilot
LP
 
Posts: 415
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:18 am

Postby conversationpc » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:18 am

EightyRock wrote:Hmmm....maybe nothing new of his own to promote, but it beats HANDS DOWN what Journey has done the past couple years. The only thing they promoted was lippin' & collecting our hard earned cash.
As long as Perry is the one trying to protect what is left of Journey's legacy, then he's doing his job for Journey fans...a much better job than brother Neal & co. have been doing. I could rag on Perry all day for not doing what I want him to do, but in the end I know it ain't gonna change if or when he'll do something. Alot of people's frustration with him is at an all time high, knowing the dude probably still has the goods but won't share them. Not my call. I'm glad he didn't take the route Journey took. He also never says jack shit negative toward the rest of the band, nomatter what stupid shit they do. Gives him a major pass in my book. He could have just ignored the fans altogether, like the rest of Journey has been doing for years.


Perry has ignored the fans more than the rest of Journey. They have been out there playing for the fans, meeting them at meet-n-greets, etc. Meanwhile, Perry continues to say how he misses singing for the fans and that other garbage and he rarely ever gives an interview or interacts with the fans, at least not as much as the guys currently in the band. Hell, JSS has interacted more with the fans over the last few months than Perry has in the last 20 years.
My blog = Dave's Dominion
User avatar
conversationpc
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 17830
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:53 am
Location: Slightly south of sanity...

Postby fred_journeyman » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:18 am

I do not expect the same level of "communication" from Perry that I expect from Journey. Why? Because Journey is working. Perry is "retired." Yep, his most recent "interview" was full of "fluff," however it was the type of "fluff" that he obviously wanted to talk about and he did NOT bring up that "fluff;" the people asking the questions did. Sure, there were tougher questions in the pile, I'm sure, but why enter the fray, when Journey doesn't even want to enter the fray? What happens in Journey is probably the last thing Perry concerns himself with.

Regarding the toughest question - whether or not he'll record anything - I don't believe he really knows the answer to that question.

AR, maybe you would be a candidate for your own KMA club if Perry has one. :D
- Fred

Image
User avatar
fred_journeyman
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1397
Joined: Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:05 pm

Postby AR » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:20 am

fred_journeyman wrote:I do not expect the same level of "communication" from Perry that I expect from Journey. Why? Because Journey is working. Perry is "retired." Yep, his most recent "interview" was full of "fluff," however it was the type of "fluff" that he obviously wanted to talk about and he did NOT bring up that "fluff;" the people asking the questions did. Sure, there were tougher questions in the pile, I'm sure, but why enter the fray, when Journey doesn't even want to enter the fray? What happens in Journey is probably the last thing Perry concerns himself with.

Regarding the toughest question - whether or not he'll record anything - I don't believe he really knows the answer to that question.

AR, maybe you would be a candidate for your own KMA club if Perry has one. :D


I'm sure I would be Fred. :lol:
User avatar
AR
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8530
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am

Postby fred_journeyman » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:20 am

conversationpc wrote:Perry has ignored the fans more than the rest of Journey. They have been out there playing for the fans, meeting them at meet-n-greets, etc. Meanwhile, Perry continues to say how he misses singing for the fans and that other garbage and he rarely ever gives an interview or interacts with the fans, at least not as much as the guys currently in the band. Hell, JSS has interacted more with the fans over the last few months than Perry has in the last 20 years.


Perry is retired. Journey is not. Try and show a bit of Christian charity, Dave.
- Fred

Image
User avatar
fred_journeyman
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1397
Joined: Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:05 pm

Postby conversationpc » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:23 am

fred_journeyman wrote:
conversationpc wrote:Perry has ignored the fans more than the rest of Journey. They have been out there playing for the fans, meeting them at meet-n-greets, etc. Meanwhile, Perry continues to say how he misses singing for the fans and that other garbage and he rarely ever gives an interview or interacts with the fans, at least not as much as the guys currently in the band. Hell, JSS has interacted more with the fans over the last few months than Perry has in the last 20 years.


Perry is retired. Journey is not. Try and show a bit of Christian charity, Dave.


I don't begrudge the guy his right to be retired. I'm fine with that. I don't think he owes us anything or that he has to put out a new album or tour, or whatever. What I am not fine with are fans of the guy claiming that Journey is "ignoring" the fans while the guy they worship isn't doing much of anything besides talking occasionally.
My blog = Dave's Dominion
User avatar
conversationpc
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 17830
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:53 am
Location: Slightly south of sanity...

Postby AR » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:24 am

Just to be clear, my main beef isn't with Perry, or that he wishes to remain retired. It is with the fans who think that Journey has no right to exist without SP. And also with anyone who thinks that an almost 60 year old man could get up and front that band in 2006.

I like to go see Journey every summer and hear those songs in concert. Even if it is just the "dirty dozen" BTW, when did DOA, Edge of the Blade, Message of Love and Keep on Running make the so-called "dirty dozen"?
User avatar
AR
Digital Audio Tape
 
Posts: 8530
Joined: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:21 am

Postby jrnychick » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:27 am

Arkansas wrote:
jrnychick wrote: ... why does he bother to do any interviews/ Q&As ...


Because he has a Journey catalogue to sell! And greatist hits/classic albums are well-known Cmas sellers.
New news, or no new news, matters not. I don't think it's about news at all. It's about record sales. Just do a little PR, especially on the tails of the band's tour, and watch those albums fly off the racks for Cmas.


later~


Oh I agree completely. It's just extremely frustrating to me because he only talks to people who won't ask the hard questions, or he picks and chooses "fluff" emails to answer. If it's really about selling the back catalog and pushing the remasters, why not do interviews across the country? Why not grant interviews to Andrew and others in the field? The people who are going to buy the remasters without a huge promotional push are the fans like us who already know about them anyways. If Steve chooses not to do interviews at all, that's fine and I can respect that. But don't come out with these once-a-year deals that tell us he was in the studio for two days. I want to know why he hasn't released new material in 10 years.
jrnychick
8 Track
 
Posts: 618
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:52 am

Postby conversationpc » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:30 am

AR wrote:Just to be clear, my main beef isn't with Perry, or that he wishes to remain retired. It is with the fans who think that Journey has no right to exist without SP. And also with anyone who thinks that an almost 60 year old man could get up and front that band in 2006.


Exactly. Image
My blog = Dave's Dominion
User avatar
conversationpc
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 17830
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 5:53 am
Location: Slightly south of sanity...

Postby Scarab Pilot » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:33 am

jrnychick wrote:Oh I agree completely. It's just extremely frustrating to me because he only talks to people who won't ask the hard questions, or he picks and chooses "fluff" emails to answer. If it's really about selling the back catalog and pushing the remasters, why not do interviews across the country? Why not grant interviews to Andrew and others in the field? The people who are going to buy the remasters without a huge promotional push are the fans like us who already know about them anyways. If Steve chooses not to do interviews at all, that's fine and I can respect that. But don't come out with these once-a-year deals that tell us he was in the studio for two days. I want to know why he hasn't released new material in 10 years.


I think it goes back to him being that "sensitive soul" type person. Someone posted some story about SP being overly sensitive about everything. I think it was a goof story - but it does seem like he is ultra sensitive to memories of the past and peoples comments towards him and his music.

I hate to say it but some of his answers reminded me of the weird crap Michael Jackson would say in TV interviews. Its like he has to have this mystic around him. And the "Me likes" crap - please my 10 year old talks like that - you're old enough to be my dad, talk like it.

Man up Steve.
Scarab Pilot
LP
 
Posts: 415
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:18 am

Postby CatEyes » Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:51 am

conversationpc wrote:
What I am not fine with are fans of the guy claiming that Journey is "ignoring" the fans while the guy they worship isn't doing much of anything besides talking occasionally.


Journey is ignoring their fans also - it is not a "this one" or "that one" situation -

Are Perry's occassional q&a's, baseball game pics, and interviews with Uncle Joe worth more or less than Journey's tired-ass well-policed meet & greet passes that are only for a select few - and those are only good while Journey is touring which they are not right now.

Not defending either one - jmho - both sides have issues.

ow many of you participated in the Q&A with Perry recently? When was Journey's last Q&A?

Still bitching about why he didn't answer any tough questions? Were any asked? 2000 questions were submitted and yes it is very possible that they were all softball.

Maybe he would enjoy tough questions - some technical questions.

Next Q&A I would love to see some of the ones many have been complaining about - ask it - he doesn't bite. (darn - and I was so hoping for a little nibble)

Heck AR, Deano and Andrew could each have submitted questions that Andrew wants to ask if he ever get an interview - it's a thought

:wink:
Cat
Last edited by CatEyes on Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:11 am, edited 2 times in total.
The daughters of lions are lions, too.
CatEyes
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1524
Joined: Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:05 am

Postby maverick218 » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:06 am

conversationpc wrote:
AR wrote:Just to be clear, my main beef isn't with Perry, or that he wishes to remain retired. It is with the fans who think that Journey has no right to exist without SP. And also with anyone who thinks that an almost 60 year old man could get up and front that band in 2006.

Exactly. Image


Just to play devil's advocate here: Mick Jagger and Roger Daltrey do it...
maverick218
LP
 
Posts: 505
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:39 am
Location: Here and there, mostly here, sometimes there.

Postby perrydaze » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:20 am

Good post Yogi.


Personally Perry has opened up more this year, and in the last 3 months than he has since he dropped Neal's sorry ass in 1998. The last 10 yrs have proven who the real man is and it hasnt been Neal. I feel sorry for JSS, because when it all comes down, Neal will screw with him too. Neal couldnt do nothing with "his" band in the 70's, until Perry came along and brought it to life.

I am a die hard Perry fan, with that being said, I enjoy hearing from him. Personally I dont care whether he releases anything again or not - that right and privledge is his. The man has class, unlike Neal who is always wiggling around trying to stay afloat. In many ways, Journey is kinda like all of Neal's marriages, he cant remain FAITHFUL.

Jump ship now Jeff - cuz he will eventually take you down too!!
perrydaze
 

Postby NealIsGod » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:38 am

perrydaze wrote:Good post Yogi.


Personally Perry has opened up more this year, and in the last 3 months than he has since he dropped Neal's sorry ass in 1998. The last 10 yrs have proven who the real man is and it hasnt been Neal. I feel sorry for JSS, because when it all comes down, Neal will screw with him too. Neal couldnt do nothing with "his" band in the 70's, until Perry came along and brought it to life.

I am a die hard Perry fan, with that being said, I enjoy hearing from him. Personally I dont care whether he releases anything again or not - that right and privledge is his. The man has class, unlike Neal who is always wiggling around trying to stay afloat. In many ways, Journey is kinda like all of Neal's marriages, he cant remain FAITHFUL.

Jump ship now Jeff - cuz he will eventually take you down too!!


Neal simply likes to work and make a living doing what he loves. Who gives a rat's ass if you like it? You'd buy a CD of Perry farting.
User avatar
NealIsGod
MP3
 
Posts: 12512
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:20 am
Location: Back in Black

Postby Deb » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:54 am

NealIsGod wrote:
perrydaze wrote:Good post Yogi.


Personally Perry has opened up more this year, and in the last 3 months than he has since he dropped Neal's sorry ass in 1998. The last 10 yrs have proven who the real man is and it hasnt been Neal. I feel sorry for JSS, because when it all comes down, Neal will screw with him too. Neal couldnt do nothing with "his" band in the 70's, until Perry came along and brought it to life.

I am a die hard Perry fan, with that being said, I enjoy hearing from him. Personally I dont care whether he releases anything again or not - that right and privledge is his. The man has class, unlike Neal who is always wiggling around trying to stay afloat. In many ways, Journey is kinda like all of Neal's marriages, he cant remain FAITHFUL.

Jump ship now Jeff - cuz he will eventually take you down too!!


Neal simply likes to work and make a living doing what he loves. Who gives a rat's ass if you like it? You'd buy a CD of Perry farting.


That is one thing I have never been able to understand....to enjoy one why do you have to hate the other. I also consider myself a major Perry fan.......and, granted Augueri/era didn't do much for me, I never once knocked SA. Personally, I don't think Perry wants to do all the touring Journey does now and that is fine by me, touring his ass off all those years more than makes up for it IMO......I have the cds/dvds of that great time in Journey history, and will enjoy any new bits and pieces he feels like doing. I think Jeff brings a fresh energy that Journey very much needs now and am actually looking forward to Journey again. I was listening to JSS's cd 'Lost in Translation' on my way to work today and thought to myself.......if they can mix this and the Journey sound, I am so there. :)
Deb
MP3
 
Posts: 14934
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:23 am
Location: Gotta Love The Ride!

Postby yogi » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:55 am

Neal,

I wouldnt . I am NOT some Perry hero worshiper. Not even close.

I was a HUGE fan of Journeys minus Perry until..........................................

Everyone including their dogs singing lead on Generations then we get.....

TAPEGATE........ Then to salvage a tour as a warmup band............


they think you can run any swingin dic k out there to front one of the GREATEST bands of all time.


When JSS goes down and they bring in Whitney Houston are they still Journey???

What about a Leo Sayer fronted Journey?????

Why are they Journey and not Soul Sirkus???????

Keep telling yourself that they havent fractured the Journey name with the events of the past 12 months.

Their asses are laughing allllllllllllll the way to the bank.
Last edited by yogi on Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:58 am, edited 1 time in total.
yogi
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 4441
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:57 am
Location: Carthage, Texas (FREE health care, housing, autos, gas, food, entertainment, FOR ALL!!)

Postby NealIsGod » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:58 am

yogi wrote:I wouldnt.

I was a HUGE fan of Journeys minus Perry until..........................................

Everyone including their dogs singing lead on Generations

TAPEGATE


Then thinking you can run any swingin dic k out there to front one of the GREATEST bands of all time.


When JSS goes down and they bring in Whitney Houston are they still Journey???

What about a Leo Sayer fronted Journey?????

Why are they Journey and not Soul Sirkus???????

Keep telling yourself that they havent fractured the Journey name with the events of the past 12 months.

Their asses are laughing allllllllllllll the way to the bank.


Yogi, how can they be fracturing Journey's name AND be laughing all the way to the bank? So you're saying they are making money and making fans happy? Hardly fracturing anything, except your agenda.
User avatar
NealIsGod
MP3
 
Posts: 12512
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:20 am
Location: Back in Black

Postby Deb » Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:59 am

yogi wrote:
Then thinking you can run any swingin dic k out there to front one of the GREATEST bands of all time.




LOL, well that swingin dic k (as you call him) brought this fan back around. :lol: :wink:

Willing to give it a chance and see what comes of it, time will tell.
Last edited by Deb on Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
Deb
MP3
 
Posts: 14934
Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:23 am
Location: Gotta Love The Ride!

Postby yogi » Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:01 am

By playing a GREATEST hits tour over and over and over again.

By banking on another band that is bigger than you to keep you a float.
yogi
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 4441
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:57 am
Location: Carthage, Texas (FREE health care, housing, autos, gas, food, entertainment, FOR ALL!!)

Next

Return to Journey

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 33 guests