Stupid, boring, predictable Perry

[NealIsGod]

By playing a GREATEST hits tour over and over and over again.

By banking on another band that is bigger than you to keep you a float.

And if Perry came back, they wouldn't play their greatest hits?

[KCfla]

By playing a GREATEST hits tour over and over and over again.

By banking on another band that is bigger than you to keep you a float.

And if Perry came back, they wouldn't play their greatest hits?

Look- every band that has been around as long as Journey has, that has a back-catalog as loaded with hits as Journey has- is going to have their "dirty dozen" that they're expected to play every show. DL does as well, and they get bitched at constantly about the "Hysteria +" tour setlists.

Perry, Augeri, JSS- it won't matter. They have to play the hits! Because whether we like it or not- out of 10,000 fans at a show- maybe 150 ( I'll give you all 300 combined for the last tour!) are "die-hard's" like those that post on the band(s) and the various forums.

Sucks for us- but that's the truth!

[NealIsGod]

By playing a GREATEST hits tour over and over and over again.

By banking on another band that is bigger than you to keep you a float.

And if Perry came back, they wouldn't play their greatest hits?

Look- every band that has been around as long as Journey has, that has a back-catalog as loaded with hits as Journey has- is going to have their "dirty dozen" that they're expected to play every show. DL does as well, and they get bitched at constantly about the "Hysteria +" tour setlists.

Perry, Augeri, JSS- it won't matter. They have to play the hits! Because whether we like it or not- out of 10,000 fans at a show- maybe 150 ( I'll give you all 300 combined for the last tour!) are "die-hard's" like those that post on the band(s) and the various forums.

Sucks for us- but that's the truth!

Yes. And they played songs from Gens on the 30th Anniv. tour. The tour with DL was a GH tour, yes. Also incredibly successful. Schon and Soto have writing chemistry, so my money says they record a new CD in 2007, maybe release it in 2008.

[brywool]

I hate to say it but some of his answers reminded me of the weird crap Michael Jackson would say in TV interviews. Its like he has to have this mystic around him. And the "Me likes" crap - please my 10 year old talks like that - you're old enough to be my dad, talk like it.

Man up Steve.

Glad I wasn't the only one 'weirded out' by that.

[bluejeangirl76]

Just to be clear, my main beef .... And also with anyone who thinks that an almost 60 year old man could get up and front that band in 2006.

Exactly.

Just to play devil's advocate here: Mick Jagger and Roger Daltrey do it...

Yes. And Roger Daltrey is 5 years older than Perry and when I saw him in Sept, he still rocked his AND our asses off.
Steven Tyler is also older than Perry. If he intended to get back on the stage, then there's no reason his age should be a factor.

And if you don't have a problem with Neal and Jon and Ross up there, then what's the big deal how old the singer is?

[NealIsGod]

Just to be clear, my main beef .... And also with anyone who thinks that an almost 60 year old man could get up and front that band in 2006.

Exactly.

Just to play devil's advocate here: Mick Jagger and Roger Daltrey do it...

Yes. And Roger Daltrey is 5 years older than Perry and when I saw him in Sept, he still rocked his AND our asses off.
Steven Tyler is also older than Perry. If he intended to get back on the stage, then there's no reason his age should be a factor.

And if you don't have a problem with Neal and Jon and Ross up there, then what's the big deal how old the singer is?

Journey songs demand a singer that can reach the high notes. Stones and The Who don't. Perry can't hit those notes anymore.

[SF-Dano]

I don't begrudge the guy his right to be retired. I'm fine with that. I don't think he owes us anything or that he has to put out a new album or tour, or whatever. What I am not fine with are fans of the guy claiming that Journey is "ignoring" the fans while the guy they worship isn't doing much of anything besides talking occasionally.

AR said:
Just to be clear, my main beef isn't with Perry, or that he wishes to remain retired. It is with the fans who think that Journey has no right to exist without SP. And also with anyone who thinks that an almost 60 year old man could get up and front that band in 2006.

I like to go see Journey every summer and hear those songs in concert. Even if it is just the "dirty dozen" BTW, when did DOA, Edge of the Blade, Message of Love and Keep on Running make the so-called "dirty dozen"?

I agree with both of you. It is fine to be a fan of Steve Perry, hell the guy could sing like no one else, but the loons always seem to have to belittle/insult the rest of the band in the process of praising Perry. And should one comment be made that does not show Steve Perry as anything but saintly be made, the Perry Defense Force (PDF) is on you like flies on ...., well you know.

[Lora]

why enter the fray, when Journey doesn't even want to enter the fray? What happens in Journey is probably the last thing Perry concerns himself with.

Exactly. Good post, Fred.

[ForceInfinity]

It cracks me up about how people gripe and moan about the dirty dozen, but lets face it, if fans are truly tired of it, why do they still insist on showing up tour after tour to listen to them? Obviously there's still an audience for this so I can't begrudge Journey for doing it. It kills me that people are like "oh there doing this just for the money...". Um hello... I like to write code, but the only reason I keep doing it day after day is for the money. Why shouldn't a band be allowed to milk whatever money they can out of it. After all, its there job, there line of work.

The thing that kills me to this day is that you got the Perry fans that get their shorts in a wad over the fact that Journey doesn't have Perry anymore. Now you got alot of SA fans getting their shorts in a wad over Soto. Give is a rest people.... teams make personnel changes all the time, people leave, etc. Given the choice of no Journey vs Journey with SA or Journey with JSS, I'll take Journey with whatever vocalist. While SA's era didn't do much for me, they did have some true gems among their new catalog.

Besides... at least in Perry's interview we didn't have to hear about Cobalt Blue this time.

And then to Yogi's post (whose logic is sadly unworthy of myself, this board or the human race), that somehow if you change singers Journey is no longer Journey. If we're following his logic, why not just call Journey the Steve Perry band and that way if Steve Perry leaves, the name would truly no longer apply, but this is Journey. Hell, if Genesis or Survivor can get away with this why not Journey? Why was Journey still Journey when Greg Rollie stopped being the lead? The brilliances of your logic is mind-numblingly assinine.

[Saint John]

By playing a GREATEST hits tour over and over and over again.

By banking on another band that is bigger than you to keep you a float.

And if Perry came back, they wouldn't play their greatest hits?

Yes, but it won't be karaoke.

[squirt1]

Good post St John. And if Perry came back ,even for a show or 2 the crowds & media attention would generate huge receipts. They would not need an opening band or a DefLep who got paid handsomely leaving less for the opening act Journey.

[L~L~L]

By playing a GREATEST hits tour over and over and over again.

By banking on another band that is bigger than you to keep you a float.

And if Perry came back, they wouldn't play their greatest hits?

Yes, but it won't be karaoke.

Tis true!:D Can't wait for that to happen then everything will finally be a ok.

[stevew2]

Journey died the minute the group and everyone in their inner circle led by Neal Schon decided to con their fans with tapegate. Steve Augeri WAS NOT the only band member lipping' 'Open My Eyes To A ........' As far as I know Jonathan lips errrrr I mean sings that part.


When Steve Perry quit Journey he asked Neal to NOT fracture the Journey name.

Allowing every band member plus roadies a lead on Generations regardless of vocal ability did just that.

Running a new lead singer out mid tour did just that.

Conning your ever faithful fans by memorixing parts of your show did just that.

P.S. GREAT post Eighty Rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the first ive heard of Jon lipping . Are you talking shit ,and can you back it up.Im kinda new here, show me real evidence, or refer me to someone to back up that claim!! or shut the fuck up.

[NealIsGod]

Good post St John. And if Perry came back ,even for a show or 2 the crowds & media attention would generate huge receipts. They would not need an opening band or a DefLep who got paid handsomely leaving less for the opening act Journey.

The above post is only an opinion and will never be proven. You can thank Perry for that. I do, because I will take JSS any day over Perry. No disrespect intended to Perry, but JSS can bring it. If you haven't seen the band live with JSS, then you can't appreciate it.

[cdjssfan]

NB to poster who said Journey need a singer who can hit the really high notes; I ain't sure if JSS can do so, is his voice not a tad lower than both Perry and Augeri's. I'll make my judgement on that one in March.

As for Perry; I wouldn't rule out Journey doing an album and tour with JSS and then considering doing one last, massive farewell tour with the 81' line-up of SP, Neal, Jon, Ross and SS.

I know folk will immediately jump on this, going "That is never gonna happen" etc. But stranger things; and the fans I'm sure would love to see it.

[*Laura]

Good post St John. And if Perry came back ,even for a show or 2 the crowds & media attention would generate huge receipts. They would not need an opening band or a DefLep who got paid handsomely leaving less for the opening act Journey.

The above post is only an opinion and will never be proven. You can thank Perry for that. I do, because I will take JSS any day over Perry. No disrespect intended to Perry, but JSS can bring it. If you haven't seen the band live with JSS, then you can't appreciate it.

Even if it's just an opinion,I think Squirt is right.A Perry fronted Journey would be the ultimate media attention generator.Not to mention the fanbase's reaction.
Even if he is not going to sing for Journey again,that doesn't change the idea.It doesn't even has to be proven,everyone realizes that Perry in Journey would be huge.

Now,I have seen JSS with the band ,so I can appreciate what he has brought to the band.The present line-up is the best Journey can have,knowing that SP is not a real option.

BUT...suppose Perry would become an option,I can't understand how would you take JSS over Perry,NIG?Just curious.And no,don't tell me that Perry can't sing anymore,because you cannot possibly know that.Seriously.
I am asking you from another point of view:do you really think that the impact of a Perry-Schon-Cain-Valory-(and I dare to say)-Smitty line-up would be smaller than the present line-up's one?

[NealIsGod]

BUT...suppose Perry would become an option,I can't understand how would you take JSS over Perry,NIG?Just curious.And no,don't tell me that Perry can't sing anymore,because you cannot possibly know that.Seriously.
I am asking you from another point of view:do you really think that the impact of a Perry-Schon-Cain-Valory-(and I dare to say)-Smitty line-up would be smaller than the present line-up's one?

I would take JSS becuase the band with him reminds me of the 1981-83 Journey. A frontman who is all over the stage, guys loving the rocking aspect, chicks digging the looks. A band with a FUTURE.

Perry returning would be just a short-lived attempt to relive the old days, and it wouldn't be nearly as good.

And where was the huge media impact when Terd By Fire came out? I didn't see it.

[AR]

BUT...suppose Perry would become an option

He is 60 years old almost. He will be in a casket soon. Geez, lets dig up Elvis while we are at it.

Move on.

Ok, maybe in 10 years when he is almost 70 he will put on tails and sing Edge of the Blade.

Sure Mick Jagger does it, but that material is much, much easier.

Perry CAN'T sing that material anymore.

[L~L~L]

Good post St John. And if Perry came back ,even for a show or 2 the crowds & media attention would generate huge receipts. They would not need an opening band or a DefLep who got paid handsomely leaving less for the opening act Journey.

This would be awesome IF it did happen. Many across the world would come to states to see them I know that for fact! I have friends in Brazil, Panama, France, Canada and Japan. All would drop everything in a heartbeat to be here for ANY SP/Journey future show.

There's something about Perry/Schon/Cain combo that captures your heart & soul and doesn't let go.

[treetopovskaya]

60 is the new 40... so 58 must be the new 38. };C))

i love the heck outta jss but i would take sp over anyone. he might be pushing 60 but he still has spunk. }=C)

[*Laura]

Great answers,NIG and AR.A bit predictable,but ok.

I was laughing too while I was writing the word "suppose"...

Of course SP is not an option,because he is not interested in Journey anymore.

And the present Journey is something that I would like to see in the future.I want to buy their new album and I sure would love to see them again.

All is good.

[squirt1]

NealisGod- I did go to see JSS this summer. I haven't went since seeing Augeri once8 yrs ago. I will see JSS again. He was that good. I don't want JSS to leave, I just think the fans would die to see the '81 Journey on stage for a few shows. I don't think Perry would ever do more than that,if that. I think it would be good for his soul since he talked of those times while remastering the cd's.

[ohsherrie]

I'm not implying that this isn't a valid topic because anything that anyone wants to talk about is valid, and this isn't meant as a response to anyone's post in this thread. I just really don't understand the point of this conversation.

Steve is not actively involved in the performance of Journey music, but is a major part of the success of the catalog that they've been touring on for all these years and the continuing promotion of that catalog. That's why he did the UJB thing and the Q&A. That's all they were really about. I was hoping he would tell us he's working on new music, but that wasn't the case. He doesn't owe me that, I just want it, but I'm not going to stop loving what he has done or rag on him for what he does say just because he doesn't say exactly what I want him to. I enjoyed some of the personal insights that came through in some of the things he said.

He hasn't done anything controversial lately that relates to Journey, but the band has. He has nothing to answer for, but the band does. Why would we expect as much from him in that regard as we do from Journey? It seems that yet again some try to deflect the any criticizm of the current band by throwing it back at Perry when he's been out of the band for 10 years now.

I love what JSS can do for Journey now, and will always love Perry for what he did then and is still bringing to us through the remasters and such. No need for comparison or childish tit for tat BS. IMO

[Blueskies]

60 is the new 40... so 58 must be the new 38. };C))

i love the heck outta jss but i would take sp over anyone. he might be pushing 60 but he still has spunk. }=C)

hey I'm diggin' that kind of math! age is but a number anyway. Your as young as u feel and think.

[Perry86fan]

why enter the fray, when Journey doesn't even want to enter the fray? What happens in Journey is probably the last thing Perry concerns himself with.

Exactly. Good post, Fred.

Thank You Fred!!!!

[Deb]

I'm not implying that this isn't a valid topic because anything that anyone wants to talk about is valid, and this isn't meant as a response to anyone's post in this thread. I just really don't understand the point of this conversation.

Steve is not actively involved in the performance of Journey music, but is a major part of the success of the catalog that they've been touring on for all these years and the continuing promotion of that catalog. That's why he did the UJB thing and the Q&A. That's all they were really about. I was hoping he would tell us he's working on new music, but that wasn't the case. He doesn't owe me that, I just want it, but I'm not going to stop loving what he has done or rag on him for what he does say just because he doesn't say exactly what I want him to. I enjoyed some of the personal insights that came through in some of the things he said.

He hasn't done anything controversial lately that relates to Journey, but the band has. He has nothing to answer for, but the band does. Why would we expect as much from him in that regard as we do from Journey? It seems that yet again some try to deflect the any criticizm of the current band by throwing it back at Perry when he's been out of the band for 10 years now.

I love what JSS can do for Journey now, and will always love Perry for what he did then and is still bringing to us through the remasters and such. No need for comparison or childish tit for tat BS. IMO

Great post! Long time no see.

[ohsherrie]

I'm not implying that this isn't a valid topic because anything that anyone wants to talk about is valid, and this isn't meant as a response to anyone's post in this thread. I just really don't understand the point of this conversation.

Steve is not actively involved in the performance of Journey music, but is a major part of the success of the catalog that they've been touring on for all these years and the continuing promotion of that catalog. That's why he did the UJB thing and the Q&A. That's all they were really about. I was hoping he would tell us he's working on new music, but that wasn't the case. He doesn't owe me that, I just want it, but I'm not going to stop loving what he has done or rag on him for what he does say just because he doesn't say exactly what I want him to. I enjoyed some of the personal insights that came through in some of the things he said.

He hasn't done anything controversial lately that relates to Journey, but the band has. He has nothing to answer for, but the band does. Why would we expect as much from him in that regard as we do from Journey? It seems that yet again some try to deflect the any criticizm of the current band by throwing it back at Perry when he's been out of the band for 10 years now.

I love what JSS can do for Journey now, and will always love Perry for what he did then and is still bringing to us through the remasters and such. No need for comparison or childish tit for tat BS. IMO

Great post! Long time no see.

Thanks Deb. I've been busy and have a lot of catching up to do.

[jrnyman28]

Well, I didn't read this whole thread...but I thought I would add this: With Perry, we should stop focussing on what he doesn't do and only focus on the things he does. He does work on preserving the quality of his era of Journey. He does offer fans new product from his era of Journey at a good quality. He does occassionally answer the fans' questions (and he lately has done so with less double speak than in year's past). He does benefit financially from Journey still, whether it is the current band's touring or his work with the earlier material. Perry does ignore all aspects of Journey that do not include him. He does speak highly of Neal but he also says he is through with Journey professionally.

[fred_journeyman]

...but the loons always seem to have to belittle/insult the rest of the band in the process of praising Perry. And should one comment be made that does not show Steve Perry as anything but saintly be made, the Perry Defense Force (PDF) is on you like flies on ...., well you know.

I think that goes both ways though. There seems to be no lack of insult for all parties concerned with Journey, whether past or present, and from all sides of the aisle (fan-wise). No band that has ever had a personnel change seems to be exempt from it.

[fred_journeyman]

why enter the fray, when Journey doesn't even want to enter the fray? What happens in Journey is probably the last thing Perry concerns himself with.

Exactly. Good post, Fred.

Thanks Lora.