How about a duet on the next album with Chris Daughtry?

[Ratgirl]

The problem with a duet like this is that it can never be played in concert, at least not like it sounds on the radio.

True! That's why I guess Bon Jovi recorded the song twice on their album, once with the duet, and once alone! I never thought of that! (sorry, mentioning BonJovi to much here, I know )

I saw Bon Jovi and Jennifer Nettles do that duet in concert last year and it actually sounded pretty good.

[StevePerryHair]

The problem with a duet like this is that it can never be played in concert, at least not like it sounds on the radio.

True! That's why I guess Bon Jovi recorded the song twice on their album, once with the duet, and once alone! I never thought of that! (sorry, mentioning BonJovi to much here, I know )

I saw Bon Jovi and Jennifer Nettles do that duet in concert last year and it actually sounded pretty good.

She toured around with them?

[Jeremey]

It's really hard for an older band to get that kind of exposure in today's market though. I say they should do whatever works, but do something for that exposure! Even if they make the best album ever, it won't go anywhere without some kind of exposure. Word of mouth isn't good enough.

Exposure is a word most musicians/bands flee away from as fast as possible.

I guess my point is that a duet with a currently hip singer such as Clarkson or Underwood would be odd with the "older" act doing it for the exposure. What worked for JBJ was that he was the pop icon breaking the unknown band (Sugarland) - It would have been really odd for that to have worked the other way around.

[Jeremey]

Double post.

Just to fill in the space: A horse walks into a bar. Bartender says, "Why the long face?"

*rimshot*

[Red13JoePa]

It's really hard for an older band to get that kind of exposure in today's market though. I say they should do whatever works, but do something for that exposure! Even if they make the best album ever, it won't go anywhere without some kind of exposure. Word of mouth isn't good enough.

Exposure is a word most musicians/bands flee away from as fast as possible.

I guess my point is that a duet with a currently hip singer such as Clarkson or Underwood would be odd with the "older" act doing it for the exposure.

Yep.
And EVERYbody would know it. The hell with that.
I think if they go into The Plant with Elson and record a REAL Journey album and it achieves "only" Arrival-level success then JSS and the band will be able to live with that.

[StevePerryHair]

It's really hard for an older band to get that kind of exposure in today's market though. I say they should do whatever works, but do something for that exposure! Even if they make the best album ever, it won't go anywhere without some kind of exposure. Word of mouth isn't good enough.

Exposure is a word most musicians/bands flee away from as fast as possible.

I guess my point is that a duet with a currently hip singer such as Clarkson or Underwood would be odd with the "older" act doing it for the exposure. What worked for JBJ was that he was the pop icon breaking the unknown band (Sugarland) - It would have been really odd for that to have worked the other way around.

I know you're a musician, so I'll ask, why is exposure a scary word?

I get your point. It would be backwards for them to do that. JBJ purposely picked an unknown, which is probably the only reason it worked for him.

[Jeremey]

Yep.
And EVERYbody would know it. The hell with that.
I think if they go into The Plant with Elson and record a REAL Journey album and it achieves "only" Arrival-level success then JSS and the band will be able to live with that.

Absolutely. A real Journey album, with one guy on lead vocals.

[ohsherrie]

It's really hard for an older band to get that kind of exposure in today's market though. I say they should do whatever works, but do something for that exposure! Even if they make the best album ever, it won't go anywhere without some kind of exposure. Word of mouth isn't good enough.

Exposure is a word most musicians/bands flee away from as fast as possible.

I guess my point is that a duet with a currently hip singer such as Clarkson or Underwood would be odd with the "older" act doing it for the exposure. What worked for JBJ was that he was the pop icon breaking the unknown band (Sugarland) - It would have been really odd for that to have worked the other way around.

You've got a point there. I hadn't thought of it like that.

[Saint John]

It's really hard for an older band to get that kind of exposure in today's market though. I say they should do whatever works, but do something for that exposure! Even if they make the best album ever, it won't go anywhere without some kind of exposure. Word of mouth isn't good enough.

Exposure is a word most musicians/bands flee away from as fast as possible.

I guess my point is that a duet with a currently hip singer such as Clarkson or Underwood would be odd with the "older" act doing it for the exposure. What worked for JBJ was that he was the pop icon breaking the unknown band (Sugarland) - It would have been really odd for that to have worked the other way around.

Worked for Santana...twice I believe. JSS is "hip" enough and no one will care who is actually playing the instruments. A video would only need to show, for example, Soto and Clarkson, and Jeff can pass for early 30's. I say do it. They would have NOTHING to lose.

[Jeremey]

I know you're a musician, so I'll ask, why is exposure a scary word?

Examples familiar to most musicians (obviously not on the level of Journey!)

• Come play this fraternity/house party for free, it'd be great exposure

• Pay us $500 to put your song on this complition. It'd be great exposure

• There will be over 3000 people at this sporting event, come set up and play in the parking lot for free, you'll get lots of exposure

• Our club is among the hippest in town. We can't even cover your bar tab, but if you play it'll be great exposure for you and your band

• Country artist Billy Ray Spongebob needs an opening band at this car dealership promotion. We can't pay you anything, but think of the exposure

• Our nudist camp needs a band for Saturday night bonfire entertainment. We can't pay you but, well, you know the punchline....


Granted, there's legitimate means to get exposure (these days they usually involve showing up on the Grey's Anatomy soundtrack or hiring the Karate Kid to star in your YouTube video), but my point was that's usually a term musicians have been stung by in the past (and way beyond the needs of a band like Journey)...

[StevePerryHair]

I know you're a musician, so I'll ask, why is exposure a scary word?

Examples familiar to most musicians (obviously not on the level of Journey!)

• Come play this fraternity/house party for free, it'd be great exposure

• Pay us $500 to put your song on this complition. It'd be great exposure

• There will be over 3000 people at this sporting event, come set up and play in the parking lot for free, you'll get lots of exposure

• Our club is among the hippest in town. We can't even cover your bar tab, but if you play it'll be great exposure for you and your band

• Country artist Billy Ray Spongebob needs an opening band at this car dealership promotion. We can't pay you anything, but think of the exposure

• Our nudist camp needs a band for Saturday night bonfire entertainment. We can't pay you but, well, you know the punchline....


Granted, there's legitimate means to get exposure (these days they usually involve showing up on the Grey's Anatomy soundtrack or hiring the Karate Kid to star in your YouTube video), but my point was that's usually a term musicians have been stung by in the past (and way beyond the needs of a band like Journey)...

Yeah, I guess Journey is way above that! I guess when you put it that way, it was poor choice of words

[Jeremey]

Worked for Santana...twice I believe. JSS is "hip" enough and no one will care who is actually playing the instruments. A video would only need to show, for example, Soto and Clarkson, and Jeff can pass for early 30's. I say do it. They would have NOTHING to lose.

Your missing my point - Santana was, again, a pop legend - He was reintroduced due to his record of collaborations. Lightning in a bottle, it worked for a few singles....

If Jeff was a solo artist a label was getting behind, then yes, he is young enough (but by hip I mean already established as a "hip" commodity) to break out as a new artist. But he is the lead singer of Journey - I don't think a duet with the lead singer of Journey is going to do what people think it would do.

[Barb]

No no no.

I think duets with dude and dude is gayer than stick on rainbows plastered on VW's and a guy driving it.

Fuck that idea.

Jeff with Kelly Clarkston, Shania Twain or some other hottie is what the Dr. ordered.

I have to agree with you there! Chris sang with the band Live on their song called "Mystery" and it sounded great, but I think that is a rare instance of that working.

[Barb]

What Journey needs to do is get themselves on that damn show! Have a "Journey" night with Neal or Jon as a guest judge. Then have them perform live at the end of the show.

[Ratgirl]

The problem with a duet like this is that it can never be played in concert, at least not like it sounds on the radio.

True! That's why I guess Bon Jovi recorded the song twice on their album, once with the duet, and once alone! I never thought of that! (sorry, mentioning BonJovi to much here, I know )

I saw Bon Jovi and Jennifer Nettles do that duet in concert last year and it actually sounded pretty good.

She toured around with them?

She did a couple shows with them.

[Red13JoePa]

And Santana came UP with that idea in '99. So he gets a pass. All who've done it since are just aping it and usually to drastically lesser results.
And they get rightfully bashed for trying it.

Journey doesn't need this.

[conversationpc]

And Santana came UP with that idea in '99. So he gets a pass. All who've done it since are just aping it and usually to drastically lesser results.
And they get rightfully bashed for trying it.

Journey doesn't need this.

I remember Eddie Van Halen talking about doing that back in the mid 80s when Roth left the band and before Hagar joined.

[Saint John]

Worked for Santana...twice I believe. JSS is "hip" enough and no one will care who is actually playing the instruments. A video would only need to show, for example, Soto and Clarkson, and Jeff can pass for early 30's. I say do it. They would have NOTHING to lose.

Your missing my point - Santana was, again, a pop legend - He was reintroduced due to his record of collaborations. Lightning in a bottle, it worked for a few singles....

If Jeff was a solo artist a label was getting behind, then yes, he is young enough (but by hip I mean already established as a "hip" commodity) to break out as a new artist. But he is the lead singer of Journey - I don't think a duet with the lead singer of Journey is going to do what people think it would do.

True...kind of. MY point is what could it hurt? In their case, right now, any exposure IS good exposure.

[Saint John]

And Santana came UP with that idea in '99. So he gets a pass. All who've done it since are just aping it and usually to drastically lesser results.
And they get rightfully bashed for trying it.

Journey doesn't need this.

What most of us are suggesting is 1 song, not an entire album. Huge difference...and I agree with what you say in regards to a whole album.

[journeywoman]

Do you see Bon Jovi or up coming Van halen with a chick up front doing duets?Hell NO! All we need is JSS up front kicking our Asses off with that voice. Get the album out and tour the country not just select cities!Dilana btw totally sucks if she thought she could've got the gig she would've cut anybody's throat!She's too grungey!

[Just_Plain_Eric]

Personally I think Daughtry's Home album cut is one of the best tunes released all year...so I would support a Journey duet with Daughtry...

The time has come for creative marketing for older groups...you gotta get your music heard and maybe its time to break some of the old stereotypes. I mean, some of the young kids love classic rock when they finally hear it...thats just it..when they HEAR it!

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[tammy]

Chris Daughtry is really making waves according to Andrew's music news page...impressive. I was taken with him on AI & wanted him to win - looks like he did.

[LucyFurr]

I love Daughtry. He treats his fans like Jeff does. I have to respect that, besides that, I love his music. In my opinion, Daughtry won AI hands down last year. C'mon Jeff, throw the guy a bone!

[larryfromnextdoor]

I know you're a musician, so I'll ask, why is exposure a scary word?

Examples familiar to most musicians (obviously not on the level of Journey!)

• Come play this fraternity/house party for free, it'd be great exposure

• Pay us $500 to put your song on this complition. It'd be great exposure

• There will be over 3000 people at this sporting event, come set up and play in the parking lot for free, you'll get lots of exposure

• Our club is among the hippest in town. We can't even cover your bar tab, but if you play it'll be great exposure for you and your band

• Country artist Billy Ray Spongebob needs an opening band at this car dealership promotion. We can't pay you anything, but think of the exposure

• Our nudist camp needs a band for Saturday night bonfire entertainment. We can't pay you but, well, you know the punchline....


Granted, there's legitimate means to get exposure (these days they usually involve showing up on the Grey's Anatomy soundtrack or hiring the Karate Kid to star in your YouTube video), but my point was that's usually a term musicians have been stung by in the past (and way beyond the needs of a band like Journey)...

this is the funniest most truthful list ive ever laughed at!!! even my little outfit gets these,, and if you have a business , the same works when folks ask you for donations.. great laugh..

[Saint John]

Do you see Bon Jovi or up coming Van halen with a chick up front doing duets?Hell NO! All we need is JSS up front kicking our Asses off with that voice. Get the album out and tour the country not just select cities!Dilana btw totally sucks if she thought she could've got the gig she would've cut anybody's throat!She's too grungey!

Bon Jovi has their singer that helped move 100 million albums worldwide and Van Halen has DLR who fronted TWO Diamond albums. THEY don't NEED "exposure." JSS-fronted Journey DOES. I'd agree with you, to an extent, if it were Perry, but it isn't...it's Jeff, and the mainstream music audience doesn't have ANY idea who he is.

[Barb]

I love Daughtry. He treats his fans like Jeff does. I have to respect that, besides that, I love his music. In my opinion, Daughtry won AI hands down last year. C'mon Jeff, throw the guy a bone!

Chris Daughtry is one of the hottest things in music right now -- he doesn't need anyone to throw him any bones.

[StevePerryHair]

Do you see Bon Jovi or up coming Van halen with a chick up front doing duets?Hell NO! All we need is JSS up front kicking our Asses off with that voice. Get the album out and tour the country not just select cities!Dilana btw totally sucks if she thought she could've got the gig she would've cut anybody's throat!She's too grungey!

For the LAST time! Bon Jovie DID do a duet with a "chick" up front. Her name is Jennifer Nettles and the song is "Who Says You Can't Go Home". It has won several awards and sold them lots of albums the last couple of years.

[ohsherrie]

I still think a duet with Kelly Clarkson or someone similar would work. Not a Jessica Simpson type though. Someone who can really sing. Journey is an older act, and they haven't had anything new on the music radar, but the name still means something and a lot of the classic songs do. They had recent exposure through the World Series, Monster, DSB on some tv shows and such.

I think getting some new music out to a broader demographic by connecting it to a more current name for one single off the new CD would be the best possible way to get people to listen. I've got a 21 year old neice begging me for copies of Journey stuff because I played Essential Journey in my car. She only listened to hip hop before. Now some of her friends are listening to Journey with her. The music has to get heard.

Getting on AI to promote it is a great idea too.

[treetopovskaya]

what about kat mcphee?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6EAEoBIm6A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2ZCe7eYdrI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw21H7z3-A

[Greg]

I started a similar thread about this topic once before and it didn't go over too well with most fans. Of course, I liked the idea of having Amy Lee sing on a Journey song with Jeff...I mean she is kind of a rocker type of singer although not in the 80's sense.