JSS needs to pass to Deen on "Keep on Runnin'"- A

[journeyinto2001]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAfFPQ8QGoc

Jeff sounds pretty decent for the 1st minute, then it's downhill from there. He sounds amazing on most songs/very reminiscent of Perry in 84' IMO, but he needs to take a page out of the Augeri playbook and pass songs like this, that are simply out of his range, to Deano with his unlimited range!

He was weak on this song last summer in Phoenix as well.

[Red13JoePa]

I think JSS can at times be described as a lot of things singingwise, but "weak" is never a word that comes to mind.

[*Laura]

Oh,come on! This was in September last year.5 months after JSS's performance has improved to the point where he can sing any song from the catalogue without any problems.
His voice warmed up and adjusted just great.

IMO,Deen is perfect for OA,Faithfully & Still They Ride.

[The_Noble_Cause]

he needs to take a page out of the Augeri playbook and pass songs like this, that are simply out of his range, to Deano with his unlimited range!

Augeri must've left that playbook at home when he traveled overseas and belted this song out like a jailbird.
I'll take the singer who is live w/ rough patches.
You can have the singer who bends people over a card table and wantonly rapes them.
Ain't freedom of choice grand?

[Moon Beam]

journeyinto2001 though I don't share your opinion
of this particular song, thanks for offering up a link so
I could decide for myself.

Making peace Monday

[****]

Sorry. I forgot this is the site that worships EVERYTHING JSS does and trashes EVERYTHING Augeri. Go ahead and trash me now too. Par for the course around here....

I dont think anyone was trashing you - I just think it's a difference of opinion .
I do agree that song is hard as hell - and out of all the songs that was probably the most difficult on to nail. JSS (in the beginning) has to switch to his headvoice. But still hit the notes

[RumTumJM]

It might just be me, but every time I see or hear another Jeff clip, I his find voice find him more and more like Perry's. It obviously is very different, and I know he is not trying to be an immatator. I think it just has those important elements of intensity and power that Journey's vocals thrive on. Granted I only got into the song after Jeff started singing it, but whenever I sing Message Of Love in my head, I am thinking of Jeff's vocal and not Perry's. But that is just me.

As for Deen. I saw him do it at Jones Beach and it sounded great. Me and my friend sat through the whole song in awe of his drumming while singing abilities. From the little of Jeff I have heard, he sounds great too. I'd say either one can nail it. Same goes for Where Were You.

[ohsherrie]

I haven't heard a single song that I think Jeff sounds bad on. Some are better than others and they've all gotten better as he's done them more. Deen does a good job on the three that he does, and if they're all comfortable with having him do those that's fine, but I don't think it's because Jeff can't do them justice. I'd actually like to hear Jeff do those sings every now and then.

[Behshad]

Sorry. I forgot this is the site that worships EVERYTHING JSS does and trashes EVERYTHING Augeri. Go ahead and trash me now too. Par for the course around here....

Why do I get the feeling that the main reason you posted this topic was not just a friendly suggestion to the band , but you wanted to start some

[zino]

I haven't heard a single song that I think Jeff sounds bad on. Some are better than others and they've all gotten better as he's done them more. Deen does a good job on the three that he does, and if they're all comfortable with having him do those that's fine, but I don't think it's because Jeff can't do them justice. I'd actually like to hear Jeff do those sings every now and then.

I agree with this 100 %. Deen does these songs great. It just seems kindda weird having the drummer sing these two songs ( which happen too be two of the most popualr to the CASUAL fan). I would like to hear JSS do these once and a while and maybe have Deen do Mother, Father and After the Fall. Just a thought. Would love too hear Deen and JSS do Feeling that Way? ANytime

[Moon Beam]

I agree with you Zino, I'd love to see Sir Soto and
Cool cat Castronovo slay a stab at Fellng That Way/Anytime.
Good call Sir!

[larryfromnextdoor]

thanks for posting this as moon said,, the first verse as you stated sounds great,, he never finds it after that ,, im as big a fan now of jss as any here,, well with the exception of behshad and a few! jeff sounded out of key at the end,, its just too dang high! what can you say,, so , they replaced the song with another,, sometimes you try different things and sometimes they work, other times they dont ,, thats playing live.....the song i think is in Gmaj,, even perry would have to drop the key ,, why not take it to Emaj?... he makes me nervous with that mic though,, i keep thinking its gonna get dropped!! i wonder if jeff can juggle?

[larryfromnextdoor]

sure Soto can sing , but can he juggle on a unicycle at the same time while singing Lights?

[Wally_Hatchet]

I haven't heard a single song that I think Jeff sounds bad on.

Gotta be honest here - I think JSS is a great choice to continue the Journey - but there was one boot w/ JSS singing BGTY that was quite painful to hear (Charlotte maybe?). Then again, I realize this was one of his first shows w/ Journey, his voice wasn't rested at the time and he did not have in-ear monitors yet. I havent noticed that tune back on the setlist.

[ohsherrie]

I haven't heard a single song that I think Jeff sounds bad on.

Gotta be honest here - I think JSS is a great choice to continue the Journey - but there was one boot w/ JSS singing BGTY that was quite painful to hear (Charlotte maybe?). Then again, I realize this was one of his first shows w/ Journey, his voice wasn't rested at the time and he did not have in-ear monitors yet. I havent noticed that tune back on the setlist.

I haven't heard anything from that early on in the tour. From the things they explained in Andrew's interview though, I can understand if he was having some problems at first though.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I'd like to see you challenge the FACTS that I posted on YouTube, particularly on the 9/17/05 Escape since you are such an expert.

Dude, the main, lead vocals from the Escape clip you posted are exactly the same as the DVD lead vocals. Listen. There's no question. Just listen from 1:05-1:11 on the youtube clip and 1:16-1:21 from the DVD. That's just one instance. You cannot tell me that those are not identical.

[journeyinto2001]

I'd like to see you challenge the FACTS that I posted on YouTube, particularly on the 9/17/05 Escape since you are such an expert.

Dude, the main, lead vocals from the Escape clip you posted are exactly the same as the DVD lead vocals. Listen. There's no question. Just listen from 1:05-1:11 on the youtube clip and 1:16-1:21 from the DVD. That's just one instance. You cannot tell me that those are not identical.

You obviously didn't read the facts I stated on YouTube or you would have debated the FACTS I stated. You can't convince me otherwise. The fact that he sings most of the song the same every night is no different than listening to JSS every night. A singer finds the way he likes to sing the song and does so consistently. Not rocket science dude.

[Behshad]

I'd like to see you challenge the FACTS that I posted on YouTube, particularly on the 9/17/05 Escape since you are such an expert.

Dude, the main, lead vocals from the Escape clip you posted are exactly the same as the DVD lead vocals. Listen. There's no question. Just listen from 1:05-1:11 on the youtube clip and 1:16-1:21 from the DVD. That's just one instance. You cannot tell me that those are not identical.

You obviously didn't read the facts I stated on YouTube or you would have debated the FACTS I stated. You can't convince me otherwise. The fact that he sings most of the song the same every night is no different than listening to JSS every night. A singer finds the way he likes to sing the song and does so consistently. Not rocket science dude.

NOW do you know why I was getting that feelin

[journeyinto2001]

I'd like to see you challenge the FACTS that I posted on YouTube, particularly on the 9/17/05 Escape since you are such an expert.

Dude, the main, lead vocals from the Escape clip you posted are exactly the same as the DVD lead vocals. Listen. There's no question. Just listen from 1:05-1:11 on the youtube clip and 1:16-1:21 from the DVD. That's just one instance. You cannot tell me that those are not identical.

You obviously didn't read the facts I stated on YouTube or you would have debated the FACTS I stated. You can't convince me otherwise. The fact that he sings most of the song the same every night is no different than listening to JSS every night. A singer finds the way he likes to sing the song and does so consistently. Not rocket science dude.

NOW do you know why I was getting that feelin

No but I do NOW know why you ALSO can't debate the FACTS that I posted in my response on the YouTube video.

[Behshad]

I'd like to see you challenge the FACTS that I posted on YouTube, particularly on the 9/17/05 Escape since you are such an expert.

Dude, the main, lead vocals from the Escape clip you posted are exactly the same as the DVD lead vocals. Listen. There's no question. Just listen from 1:05-1:11 on the youtube clip and 1:16-1:21 from the DVD. That's just one instance. You cannot tell me that those are not identical.

You obviously didn't read the facts I stated on YouTube or you would have debated the FACTS I stated. You can't convince me otherwise. The fact that he sings most of the song the same every night is no different than listening to JSS every night. A singer finds the way he likes to sing the song and does so consistently. Not rocket science dude.

NOW do you know why I was getting that feelin

No but I do NOW know why you ALSO can't debate the FACTS that I posted in my response on the YouTube video.

WTF!?
I never said anything if the points you were making were right or wrong, fact or fiction. Next time pay attention and see who youre respondin to!
The only thing I said was that you started this topic mainly to start a DEBATE which in the end leads into

Besides whats the point of debating with you. You got the FACTS, the rest of us dont know anything. What chances to we have to win a DEBATE against you !?

[fightingilliniJRNY]

I'd like to see you challenge the FACTS that I posted on YouTube, particularly on the 9/17/05 Escape since you are such an expert.

Dude, the main, lead vocals from the Escape clip you posted are exactly the same as the DVD lead vocals. Listen. There's no question. Just listen from 1:05-1:11 on the youtube clip and 1:16-1:21 from the DVD. That's just one instance. You cannot tell me that those are not identical.

You obviously didn't read the facts I stated on YouTube or you would have debated the FACTS I stated. You can't convince me otherwise. The fact that he sings most of the song the same every night is no different than listening to JSS every night. A singer finds the way he likes to sing the song and does so consistently. Not rocket science dude.

Augeri (or any other singer for that matter) CANNOT sing a song the EXACT same way that he did four years prior. His inflections, tone, phrasing, everything is the same. So what if they left an ad-lib off of the tape that was played over the PA, like you said in the post. That does not mean that the other 98% of the song (and 100% of what matters) is not canned.

[NealIsGod]

Damn, it must be Groundhog Day cuz I could have sworn I have read all this shite already.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Damn, it must be Groundhog Day cuz I could have sworn I have read all this shite already.

Yeah, we all have. But this clown keeps bringing it up.

[Behshad]

Damn, it must be Groundhog Day cuz I could have sworn I have read all this shite already.

[zino]

Damn, it must be Groundhog Day cuz I could have sworn I have read all this shite already.

Amen !! I see where this is leading !

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[The_Noble_Cause]

You obviously didn't read the facts I stated on YouTube or you would have debated the FACTS I stated. You can't convince me otherwise. The fact that he sings most of the song the same every night is no different than listening to JSS every night. A singer finds the way he likes to sing the song and does so consistently. Not rocket science dude.

Actually someone already tried testing that theory.
A fan synchronized two different recordings of the same song by Augeri in 2005.
Upon hitting play, the lead vocal never went out of sync.
Then, this person tried it again w/ two live recordings of the same song sung by Perry - the vocal diverged within seconds (as it will with ANY live singer).

If you did this same experiment with an Augeri clip from prior to 2005 you'd get the same results.
Try again...

[The_Noble_Cause]

No but I do NOW know why you ALSO can't debate the FACTS that I posted in my response on the YouTube video.

The very facts you speak of were posted by Deano, Jeremey and others long before you.
Understandably, the ad-libs were omitted from the isolated vegas vox.
What sense would it make for "Ask the lonely" to start each night with "good evening las vegas!".

[The_Noble_Cause]

From Jeremey...

This is the Escape audio from the Vegas 2001 DVD:
www.journeytributeband.com/escapevegassolo.wma

This is the Escape audio from the Manchester show in early 2006. Listen for the inflections in the vocal track. They are identical to the Vegas audio:
www.journeytributeband.com/escapemanchestersolo.wma

Now here are both tracks synched together, one in the left ear and one in the right. With headphones on, there is a perfect stereo (identical) vocal mix:
www.journeytributeband.com/splitescapefull.wma

One thing I found surprising was that Augeri did some very specific vocal inflections and melody changeups, and they were identically repeated night after night.

[The_Noble_Cause]

During a UK concert there were eye witness accounts of people mentioning Augeri's microphone cutting out midway during "Faithfully" in Manchester.
UK fans actually cited this incident as irrefutable proof that tapes couldn't possibly have been used.

However, when the clip was finally posted online it became laughably obvious.
It wasn't the mic that cut out, it was the tape that did.
Leaving a vocally-crippled Augeri to fend for himself.

With any luck, this link should still work.
The tape (an isolated vocal from the 2001 Vegas dvd) cuts short at 1:06.
Listen carefully for Deen pulling double duty and saving Steve's ass by singing the high parts at the end.

http://www.2dorks.com/junk/journey/faithfully.mp3

[Jeremey]

This is the kind of song that ate Perry's voice alive, and the kind of song that when the singer writes it, realizes they've FUCKED themselves when they have to sing it over and over live for the rest of their career. The way Perry worked around this song was I don't believe he sang the high chorus responses that are on the studio recording and that are giving Jeff trouble here. I'm sure Jeff's worked his voice around this one now, as aside from those insane chorus notes, it's not a terribly tough song to perform.