Poll:What do you want from Steve Perry?

[strangegrey]

Jackson contributed to it's being a fine album, like it or not.

Ick...Personally, I feel Jackson's best work is his work on American Idol...

...go ahead and ask me what I think of American Idol ....go ahead...I dare ya!

[heardonthestreet]

Jackson contributed to it's being a fine album, like it or not.

Ick...Personally, I feel Jackson's best work is his work on American Idol...

...go ahead and ask me what I think of American Idol ....go ahead...I dare ya!

I think it's a gas. Simon is a joy to behold. I loved the way he told the people booing him down to SHUTUP! Everyone puts on a good show.

Yeah, Jackson is at the top of him game and more power to him.

[EightyRock]

I don't see where anybody gets off judging Randy Jackson by his weight, polka dot bass or his spandex. Ask Neal what he really thinks of Randy Jackson's playing. Dude has skills, like it or not.

[Red13JoePa]

I know Smitty admitted it in that one article, but I say it's after the fact spin doctoring to help all save face.
Perry coerced the other 2 into clipping Valory (big mistake for ROR's sound) and Smitty.

You can't know that.

ROR is what it is regardless of circumstances surrounding it's making. It does have a sound all it's own which makes it a special Journey album. It is what it is. Jackson contributed to it's being a fine album, like it or not.

What about the behind the music with SP's "Boy I had to have it" and "in hindsight maybe it wasn't the best move" comments pertaining the dismissal of Valory and Smith?

I guess it worked mmmm, let's say, ALRIGHT for ROR, but they NEEDED those 2 back to pull of TBF. No question.

[heardonthestreet]

I know Smitty admitted it in that one article, but I say it's after the fact spin doctoring to help all save face.
Perry coerced the other 2 into clipping Valory (big mistake for ROR's sound) and Smitty.

You can't know that.

ROR is what it is regardless of circumstances surrounding it's making. It does have a sound all it's own which makes it a special Journey album. It is what it is. Jackson contributed to it's being a fine album, like it or not.

What about the behind the music with SP's "Boy I had to have it" and "in hindsight maybe it wasn't the best move" comments pertaining the dismissal of Valory and Smith?

I guess it worked mmmm, let's say, ALRIGHT for ROR, but they NEEDED those 2 back to pull of TBF. No question.

Yes he said that the music dictated and he had to have it. The music was no doubt dictating throughout his time spent with Journey and in my opinion, that was a good thing.

[PROPERRY]

I liked Randy's contribution to Journey, as well as his contribution to "Street Talk" too.

[Rockindeano]

All men lie to save face!

I would lie to God himself, had I been forced to have had to fuck you. I would then go purchase a revolver and kill myself.

I hate you HOTS.

[Rockindeano]

I liked Randy's contribution to Journey, as well as his contribution to "Street Talk" too.

And you, you dumb pathetic bitch. Anything with Perry is gold. I am about to flush you the fuck out of this place. I have done it before and will do it again.

[Rockindeano]

What about the behind the music with SP's "Boy I had to have it" and "in hindsight maybe it wasn't the best move" comments pertaining the dismissal of Valory and Smith?

And you dumbass....what to do with you?

SP fucked up ROR. Strangrey was right on the money the other day. ROR isn't a Journey album. It is a poppy rendition of Simon and Garfriga( Perry and Cain), and a pretty good but pissed off guitar player. Had they not made tons of money, Neal would have been gone, rather than stay there, and make guitar faces during Girl Can't Help It onnstage. He hated ROR. That's no secret.

I guess it worked mmmm, let's say, ALRIGHT for ROR, but they NEEDED those 2 back to pull of TBF. No question.

It worked for ROR? Dude, are you high? ROR has one good rock song, and the rest is pop glory....pretty pop. Valory was off doing "something." And that something wasn't a healthy choice of lifestyle. Jackson was brought in because he was the best bass player in the industry and the album cried "pop/funk." He was a perfect fit. As for that "drummer," err, Michael don't call me Grape Ape Baird...he was average..at best.

[heardonthestreet]

All men lie to save face!

I would lie to God himself, had I been forced to have had to fuck you. I would then go purchase a revolver and kill myself.

I hate you HOTS.

Well hell, that's not all bad.

[Saint John]

Raised on Radio is a good Journey album. It's just different than what we had become accustomed to. The band's intense touring schedule changed Perry's voice and he probably felt more comfortable doing an album like ROR. His roots are much moreso in r&b then what Journey traditionally played. It was simply his turn to do an album the way HE wanted to. Besides, people were jerking off all over themselves when Jeff sang IBAWY during the last tour, so the music IS still wanted. BGTY is a concert staple for the most part. And remember this....that intense touring schedule made Journey a touring band that released albums, NOT the other way around. Journey concerts became an event in and of itself. Because of THAT, the reigns were handed to Steve Perry, not taken by him as many assert. He became the band's most important part because of this. His "control" was given to him because Herbert wanted to play almost every damn night. I still hear several of those songs all of the time, so it HAS withstood the test of time. It's merely not what a lot of people wanted, but that does NOT make a bad album. Besides, I like Postive Touch and WCTNGOF.

[Rockindeano]

Raised on Radio is a good Journey album.

No it's not. Here's proof of that. They were at the height (still) of musics' pinnacle and that effort only went 2X Platinum..barely.
Raised on Radio is a good Steve Perry and Jon Cain album. I call it Simon and Garfriga.

The band's intense touring schedule changed Perry's voice and he probably felt more comfortable doing an album like ROR.

Nope, nice try. I have the interview by Perry himself. ROR is different because has SP stated in this interview, "Journey needed to make some changes..They needed to go in a different direction." Translated= Street Talk 2, with a much better guitarist was coming.

His roots are much moreso in r&b then what Journey traditionally played. It was simply his turn to do an album the way HE wanted to.

I like his roots but their songs before that were also inspired by R+B. Listen to Separate Ways. That song is the same as The Four Tops' Sugar Pie Honey Bunch, but with an added crunchy guitar chug.

Besides, people were jerking off all over themselves when Jeff sang IBAWY during the last tour, so the music IS still wanted. BGTY is a concert staple for the most part.

Jerking off to IBAWY because the song fits Soto so well and also it is a good song that hasn't been played in a decade. BGTY, a concert staple? You will most likely never hear this one live ever again.

And remember this....that intense touring schedule made Journey a touring band that released albums, NOT the other way around.

What? Intense? Not hardly. From 1981-1986, they toured 3 years. Escape, Frontiers and ROR. Compare that to 2001-2006, they toured EVERY year.

Journey concerts became an event in and of itself. Because of THAT, the reigns were handed to Steve Perry, not taken by him as many assert. He became the band's most important part because of this. His "control" was given to him because Herbert wanted to play almost every damn night.

Yep, Journey shows were the talk of the town where the Journey train pulled into, however, at this time, Perry was calculating his pending departure(ROR Tour). He knew it was over in 86. He was very controlling and manipulative. So was HH, but HH was the Manager. I do think Perry should have had the most control, because as we have just learned, the singer is the most important factor regarding a tour. Augeri had NO balls and wouldn't stand up for himself. Perry did. Soto does/will. Neal and Mgt will listen if the singer is adamant about the schedule enough.

I still hear several of those songs all of the time, so it HAS withstood the test of time.

Well, playing the ROR disc, you will definitely hear those songs, I can guarantee you that. Those songs are NOT on any radio station ever, not one.

[Saint John]

Raised on Radio is a good Journey album.

No it's not. Here's proof of that. They were at the height (still) of musics' pinnacle and that effort only went 2X Platinum..barely.
Raised on Radio is a good Steve Perry and Jon Cain album. I call it Simon and Garfriga.

The band's intense touring schedule changed Perry's voice and he probably felt more comfortable doing an album like ROR.

Nope, nice try. I have the interview by Perry himself. ROR is different because has SP stated in this interview, "Journey needed to make some changes..They needed to go in a different direction." Translated= Street Talk 2, with a much better guitarist was coming.

His roots are much moreso in r&b then what Journey traditionally played. It was simply his turn to do an album the way HE wanted to.

I like his roots but their songs before that were also inspired by R+B. Listen to Separate Ways. That song is the same as The Four Tops' Sugar Pie Honey Bunch, but with an added crunchy guitar chug.

Besides, people were jerking off all over themselves when Jeff sang IBAWY during the last tour, so the music IS still wanted. BGTY is a concert staple for the most part.

Jerking off to IBAWY because the song fits Soto so well and also it is a good song that hasn't been played in a decade. BGTY, a concert staple? You will most likely never hear this one live ever again.

And remember this....that intense touring schedule made Journey a touring band that released albums, NOT the other way around.

What? Intense? Not hardly. From 1981-1986, they toured 3 years. Escape, Frontiers and ROR. Compare that to 2001-2006, they toured EVERY year.

Journey concerts became an event in and of itself. Because of THAT, the reigns were handed to Steve Perry, not taken by him as many assert. He became the band's most important part because of this. His "control" was given to him because Herbert wanted to play almost every damn night.

Yep, Journey shows were the talk of the town where the Journey train pulled into, however, at this time, Perry was calculating his pending departure(ROR Tour). He knew it was over in 86. He was very controlling and manipulative. So was HH, but HH was the Manager. I do think Perry should have had the most control, because as we have just learned, the singer is the most important factor regarding a tour. Augeri had NO balls and wouldn't stand up for himself. Perry did. Soto does/will. Neal and Mgt will listen if the singer is adamant about the schedule enough.

I still hear several of those songs all of the time, so it HAS withstood the test of time.

Well, playing the ROR disc, you will definitely hear those songs, I can guarantee you that. Those songs are NOT on any radio station ever, not one.

Come up with all of the excuses you want, but it IS a Journey album. The main cogs, Perry, Friga and Cain played on it. If Neal had a problem with it, he should have protsted BEFORE the album and tour, not after. And his hissy fits during its production do not count.

Your "translation" differs from mine. I don't equate that with Street Talk 2, rather that of a guy with a changed voice who wanted to explore different avenues of artistry.

If you hear "Sugar Pie Honey Bunch" in SW you're beyond help. And I don't give a shit who made that assertion.

I hear IBAWY and GCHI a lot regardless of how much you say I don't. Just on "lighter" stations rather than traditional rock stations.

Change your avatar...fruitloop.

[*Laura]

Raised on Radio is a good Journey album.

No it's not. Here's proof of that. They were at the height (still) of musics' pinnacle and that effort only went 2X Platinum..barely.
Raised on Radio is a good Steve Perry and Jon Cain album. I call it Simon and Garfriga.

The band's intense touring schedule changed Perry's voice and he probably felt more comfortable doing an album like ROR.

Nope, nice try. I have the interview by Perry himself. ROR is different because has SP stated in this interview, "Journey needed to make some changes..They needed to go in a different direction." Translated= Street Talk 2, with a much better guitarist was coming.

His roots are much moreso in r&b then what Journey traditionally played. It was simply his turn to do an album the way HE wanted to.

I like his roots but their songs before that were also inspired by R+B. Listen to Separate Ways. That song is the same as The Four Tops' Sugar Pie Honey Bunch, but with an added crunchy guitar chug.

Besides, people were jerking off all over themselves when Jeff sang IBAWY during the last tour, so the music IS still wanted. BGTY is a concert staple for the most part.

Jerking off to IBAWY because the song fits Soto so well and also it is a good song that hasn't been played in a decade. BGTY, a concert staple? You will most likely never hear this one live ever again.

And remember this....that intense touring schedule made Journey a touring band that released albums, NOT the other way around.

What? Intense? Not hardly. From 1981-1986, they toured 3 years. Escape, Frontiers and ROR. Compare that to 2001-2006, they toured EVERY year.

Journey concerts became an event in and of itself. Because of THAT, the reigns were handed to Steve Perry, not taken by him as many assert. He became the band's most important part because of this. His "control" was given to him because Herbert wanted to play almost every damn night.

Yep, Journey shows were the talk of the town where the Journey train pulled into, however, at this time, Perry was calculating his pending departure(ROR Tour). He knew it was over in 86. He was very controlling and manipulative. So was HH, but HH was the Manager. I do think Perry should have had the most control, because as we have just learned, the singer is the most important factor regarding a tour. Augeri had NO balls and wouldn't stand up for himself. Perry did. Soto does/will. Neal and Mgt will listen if the singer is adamant about the schedule enough.

I still hear several of those songs all of the time, so it HAS withstood the test of time.

Well, playing the ROR disc, you will definitely hear those songs, I can guarantee you that. Those songs are NOT on any radio station ever, not one.

--- There is a more important reason why ROR wasn't as successful as the previous records - an almost 3 year hiatus from the AOR industry.Meanwhile there were other bands that got big and people lost their Journey focus,so to speak.However,it was a nice comeback.Sad it didn't last.

--- How exactly does this statement "Journey needed to make some changes.They needed to go in a different direction." translates into "Street Talk 2"?
That was the usual statement they made with every album.If you know Journey's history,and you know it,you sure remember that they were trying (and succeeding) to change their approach with every new release.
It's true - ROR was a bigger change than the previous ones,and yeah,it was produced by Perry,but that's not a valid reason to call it ST2.

--- You cannot compare the touring schedule of the Perry era Journey with the Augeri era one.Please.Everyone knows what an absolutely insane schedule they had until 83,even 86!
The amount of shows between 2001 and 2006 is maybe close to the number of shows they did in 1 year and a half in the 80s.Big difference.
Journey was THE hardest touring band with SP at the helm,and yes,he blew his voice because of that.That,plus other things that were going on at the time ended the ROR Tour.

--- Classic rock stations will only play the 78-83 material.It's a policy,and it's the reason why not only ROR,but also TBF,Arrival and Gens will never be played on such stations ever.
I'm afraid the new material will have the same fate.
No one's at fault tho.Times have changed.

[Rockindeano]

--- How exactly does this statement "Journey needed to make some changes.They needed to go in a different direction." translates into "Street Talk 2"?
That was the usual statement they made with every album.If you know Journey's history,and you know it,you sure remember that they were trying (and succeeding) to change their approach with every new release.
It's true - ROR was a bigger change than the previous ones,and yeah,it was produced by Perry,but that's not a valid reason to call it ST2.

You are incapable of being honest. With Perry of course, a great CD. No, it was not great. You take out Neals guitar and ROR IS Sreet Talk 2.

--- You cannot compare the touring schedule of the Perry era Journey with the Augeri era one.Please.Everyone knows what an absolutely insane schedule they had until 83,even 86!
The amount of shows between 2001 and 2006 is maybe close to the number of shows they did in 1 year and a half in the 80s.Big difference.

Prove it. Hell the 86 tour was stopped halfway through! I bet you they toured more from 2001-to 2006 than the 3 80 tours. Look it up.

Journey was THE hardest touring band with SP at the helm,and yes,he blew his voice because of that.That,plus other things that were going on at the time ended the ROR Tour.

Other things? Like? Funny, didn't catch the "other things" in your book. Please elaborate.

[*Laura]

--- How exactly does this statement "Journey needed to make some changes.They needed to go in a different direction." translates into "Street Talk 2"?
That was the usual statement they made with every album.If you know Journey's history,and you know it,you sure remember that they were trying (and succeeding) to change their approach with every new release.
It's true - ROR was a bigger change than the previous ones,and yeah,it was produced by Perry,but that's not a valid reason to call it ST2.

You are incapable of being honest. With Perry of course, a great CD. No, it was not great. You take out Neals guitar and ROR IS Sreet Talk 2.

And you are twisting things.Both Steve and Neal were into ROR,and we weren't there to see how many minutes each spent in the studio.That's irrelevant.ROR was a group effort and a pretty damn good one,if we consider the pressure that was on them.
SP needed Journey just as much as Journey needed SP,so that was a good reason for them to work together.
If you take out Neal,it might sound like Street Talk.But take out Steve Perry and it won't sound like Journey.

--- You cannot compare the touring schedule of the Perry era Journey with the Augeri era one.Please.Everyone knows what an absolutely insane schedule they had until 83,even 86!
The amount of shows between 2001 and 2006 is maybe close to the number of shows they did in 1 year and a half in the 80s.Big difference.

Prove it. Hell the 86 tour was stopped halfway through! I bet you they toured more from 2001-to 2006 than the 3 80 tours. Look it up.

I'll look it up,sure.Monday,when maybe I'll be in the mood for research.
I'm outta here in 10 minutes.In the real life it's Easter,you know?

Still,I DO NOT believe that you can compare the touring schedules.

Journey was THE hardest touring band with SP at the helm,and yes,he blew his voice because of that.That,plus other things that were going on at the time ended the ROR Tour.

Other things? Like? Funny, didn't catch the "other things" in your book. Please elaborate.

I elaborated enough in my book.Perry made plenty of statements about the emotional pressure he was under during ROR.
If there is more to that,I don't know,he didn't say.Perhaps he keeps certain things private and it's his right to do so.

[Rockindeano]

And you are twisting things.Both Steve and Neal were into ROR,and we weren't there to see how many minutes each spent in the studio.

I'll only answer this, the opening statement to prove you wrong, yet again.

Neal was on record in an interview(sorry cannot cite this on memory), that

"Raised on radio was written by He and Jon and they used drum machines to do it. Friggin' drum machines."(incredulously)

That doesn't sound like a guy who "digs" ROR. Neal hates GCHI. Ask him. You will never hear that nor BGTY ever again, for different reasons.

Now personally, I believe BGTY is their best ever song. Crisp Keys, killer guitar chug and solo, tremendous vocals and brilliant harmonies. It has everything.

[PROPERRY]

I liked Randy's contribution to Journey, as well as his contribution to "Street Talk" too.

And you, you dumb pathetic bitch. Anything with Perry is gold. I am about to flush you the fuck out of this place. I have done it before and will do it again.

Well I'm in agreement with you that "Anything Perry does is gold", but I still give credit to Randy for his part, just as I give Neal & Jon credit for their part too.

[*Laura]

And you are twisting things.Both Steve and Neal were into ROR,and we weren't there to see how many minutes each spent in the studio.

I'll only answer this, the opening statement to prove you wrong, yet again.

Neal was on record in an interview(sorry cannot cite this on memory), that

"Raised on radio was written by He and Jon and they used drum machines to do it. Friggin' drum machines."

That doesn't sound like a guy who "digs" ROR. Neal hates GCHI. Ask him. You will never hear that nor BGTY ever again, for different reasons.

Now personally, I believe BGTY is their best ever song. Crisp Keys, killer guitar chug and solo, tremendous vocals and brilliant harmonies. It has everything.

I remember that statement.I know Neal doesn't like ROR for various reason,BUT he was there.Why didn't he walk away?Don't answer,we all know.

Maybe Neal hates certain songs,maybe he hates the circumstances and the memories,but that's his personal experience.That can't take away from the quality of the album.

I am guessing that at least half of the fanbase digs ROR.Maybe not in its entireity,but 80% of it for sure.The other half just don't appreciate the change and consider it too drastic.
A matter of tastes,over and over again...

[Rockindeano]

Well I'm in agreement with you that "Anything Perry does is gold", but I still give credit to Randy for his part, just as I give Neal & Jon credit for their part too.

You just get dumber as the thread gets longer.

Baby I'm Leaving You is Perry and it's the furthest thing from gold ever. Trust me, he turned out some shit stuff too.

[Rockindeano]

I am guessing that at least half of the fanbase digs ROR.Maybe not in its entireity,but 80% of it for sure.The other half just don't appreciate the change and consider it too drastic.
A matter of tastes,over and over again...

Well since you have mastered the art at polling, start one up.

I can guaranfuckintee you 80% will NOT say that ROR is in the top 1/3rd of their CD's(7 Perry studio CD's) I bet the average finish will be 4th or lower, maybe 5th or so.

Go ahead, fire it up. I already am doing the math. You won't get your 80%.

[*Laura]

I am guessing that at least half of the fanbase digs ROR.Maybe not in its entireity,but 80% of it for sure.The other half just don't appreciate the change and consider it too drastic.
A matter of tastes,over and over again...

Well since you have mastered the art at polling, start one up.

I can guaranfuckintee you 80% will NOT say that ROR is in the top 1/3rd of their CD's(7 Perry studio CD's) I bet the average finish will be 4th or lower, maybe 5th or so.

Go ahead, fire it up. I already am doing the math. You won't get your 80%.

Tempting but no thanks.You know why?Because the FANBASE I'm talking about is not here on this message board.

We are just a tiny part of all the Journey fans out there.The Poll wouldn't be accurate,and maybe not too sincere either... .

[Rockindeano]

Bullshit. I know you are in a third world state, but there is a science called "methodology." It would most certainly pertain to the population here at Melodicrockland.

It's all how you ask the question. You Loons(yes you bitches are back but not for long), just want to keep Perry's name on the board. It is really sad. Lori, FATS, and Shania are first class Loons.

[PROPERRY]

Well I'm in agreement with you that "Anything Perry does is gold", but I still give credit to Randy for his part, just as I give Neal & Jon credit for their part too.

You just get dumber as the thread gets longer.

Baby I'm Leaving You is Perry and it's the furthest thing from gold ever. Trust me, he turned out some shit stuff too.

Whatever Deano!

I can't be too dumb, Deano. I wasn't the one who got sucked in like you did by Augeri. I've always known Perry is the GREATEST singer and still IS in my opinion.

[*Laura]

Bullshit. I know you are in a third world state, but there is a science called "methodology." It would most certainly pertain to the population here at Melodicrockland.

It's all how you ask the question. You Loons(yes you bitches are back but not for long), just want to keep Perry's name on the board. It is really sad. Lori, FATS, and Shania are first class Loons.

If Loon means a first class fan,who loves a great voice,yep.I AM.

Happy now?

[TRAGChick]

There was an interview by Steve Smith posted somewhere a while back. I can't remember where so I'm sure there are some who won't believe me, but in the interview he said the both he and Ross were having some personal problems at the time that contributed to the events that transpired around that album.

Face it, they were all having personal problem of one kind or another. I think Perry, Cain, Schon and Smith all had relationships that were ending or had just ended. I don't know what was happening with Ross, but I have some idea that I won't make a point for discussion on this board.

They probably shouldn't even have attempted to make an album at that time, but I suppose there was a lot of pressure to do so and that pressure probably only added to the stress.

It was a terrible time in their lives and in Journey's and I think it's pretty amazing that they were able to put together an album as great as ROR under the circumstances.

I always read the liner notes of CDs that I buy....and I found this in the ROR liners:

Under the "Special Thanks" header: 3/4 of the way down:

"....And to General Don Van Gorp for ordering us to make this record."

Now, I have NO IDEA who this person is, or if it's meant as an "inside joke"...but it seems pretty "telling" - hindsight being 20/20 and all...

[Rockindeano]

I can't be too dumb, Deano. I wasn't the one who got sucked in like you did by Augeri. I've always known Perry is the GREATEST singer and still IS in my opinion.

You DO have a point Lori! Nice work. I was duped, and tricked by that maggot. Hope he(Augeri) is straining his back stacking bricks at his neighbourhood Lowes or Home depot.

I never once said Perry wasn't the best. People who know me know I love Perry.

[PROPERRY]

I can't be too dumb, Deano. I wasn't the one who got sucked in like you did by Augeri. I've always known Perry is the GREATEST singer and still IS in my opinion.

You DO have a point Lori! Nice work. I was duped, and tricked by that maggot. Hope he(Augeri) is straining his back stacking bricks at his neibourhood Lowes or Home depot.

I never once said Perry wasn't the best. People who know me know I love Perry.

Actually Deano, I don't wish anything bad on Augeri, I admit I'm not a fan of his, but I do hope he is feeling better, and able to come back soon to do his solo project. That remark I made above was MORE for you, than him!

[captbythmmnt]

I voted for #4. Will it ever happen? Only Steve knows.....

Is it a confidence thing with Steve? Would a new album be accepted,
would it have value? Is that a question he has asked himself?

For me it would have value..

[Matthew]

Matthew, It seems like you slam Boston every time you get a chance. Now make no mistake about it I would choose Journey over Boston if I was forced to choose but they almost as good to me.

CR - my point was that AOR has never been taken seriously by the critics- so my comment about "even Boston" wasn't intended to suggest that Boston were crap - rather that they are the epitome of AOR and pretty much invented the genre - and 'even they' haven't the received the critical pasting Journey have.

As for Third Stage...well, it's just a question of taste, I guess. But the first album and parts of the second album are undeniable classics.