Andrew...Chalfant question

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:23 am

You're right. Perry would SING on those, not Mime to em....Too bad, their is some decent music on those albums, but somebody pissed in the Cheerios....

by **Monker** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:42 am

AR wrote:I would have rather slapped the name "Journey" on the first album from THE Storm. It rocks. Much more upbeat sounding record. (to get back to the Chalfant topic a bit)

Yep...and I find it ironic that Chalfant somehow finds a way to release a "Journey" sounding album at about the same time as Journey releases theirs, and it usually ends up being better. "Eye of the Storm" outshines TBF, the first Two Fires album is pretty damn close to Arrival...and now this tribute album, assuming Journey releases an album sometime soon.

by **RedWingFan** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:47 am

Monker wrote:
AR wrote:I would have rather slapped the name "Journey" on the first album from THE Storm. It rocks. Much more upbeat sounding record. (to get back to the Chalfant topic a bit)

Yep...and I find it ironic that Chalfant somehow finds a way to release a "Journey" sounding album at about the same time as Journey releases theirs, and it usually ends up being better. "Eye of the Storm" outshines TBF, the first Two Fires album is pretty damn close to Arrival...and now this tribute album, assuming Journey releases an album sometime soon.

Both Storm cd's are great. I listened to samples of the Two Fires and was very underwhelmed, so underwhelmed I steered clear of them. What are the best tracks off of them, maybe I'll give them another listen

by **Monker** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:49 am

journeyinto2001 wrote:Yeah they should have recruited Chalfant then. TBF was weak at best and Chalfants voice is strong and fits Journey perfectly, plus the guy can write. I think things would have been a lot different, in a good way, had they done so. I'm really curious how they ended up picking Augeri over Chalfant. Seems like it would have been a no-brainer to go with Kevin..

If you read the interviews from that time, they had a "been there, tried that...next." attitude towards Chalfant. They (Neal) seemed to want somebody completely new and relatively unknown.

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:55 am

journeyinto2001 wrote:Yeah they should have recruited Chalfant then. TBF was weak at best and Chalfants voice is strong and fits Journey perfectly, plus the guy can write. I think things would have been a lot different, in a good way, had they done so. I'm really curious how they ended up picking Augeri over Chalfant. Seems like it would have been a no-brainer to go with Kevin..

You are saying Chalfant was better than Steve fucking Perry?

You just cemented yourself as the dumbest son of a bitch ever and an OBVIOUS Perry hater. Explains your love for Augeri. Go drive into a truck.

by **Monker** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:57 am

Andrew wrote:I stand corrected - this was the gig I was thinking of, but Kevin confirmed it was 1993...how time flies!

Says Kevin:

Yes it was with Journey, it was with Aynsley Dunbar, Steve Smith, Gregg Rolie, Neil Schon, Ross Valory, Jon Cain, and myself at Bimbo's in San Francisco during October of 1993. It was to roast our then manager Herbie Herbert for a Thunder Road Benefit. I actually have photos of that show. I don't have them scanned in, but maybe I could do that tomorrow and send one. You may be able to check online at the San Francisco Chronicle for an article around October 11, 1993. It was a great evening of entertainment, many artists throwing down serious performances.

It's also in one of the last Journey Force newsletters. I used to have both of them saved on my PC. I remember Becky Hunter typed up the Force article and I found the SF Chronicle article online. We each posted them to the Journey digest, GEnie, and probably Prodigy.

They did a set from each era of Journey, with members moving in and out depending on what era they were performing from. Kevin finished out the set in Perry's place. The Storm also performed so I'm sure it was a no-brainer to have Chalfant fill in. Perry was asked to join them, but he was supposedly too busy with FTLOSM to take one night off to do it.

This is REALLY the start of the 'reunion' that eventually became TBF...It was NOT a phone call from Perry that started it.

by **Monker** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:06 am

RockinDeano wrote:
journeyinto2001 wrote:Yeah they should have recruited Chalfant then. TBF was weak at best and Chalfants voice is strong and fits Journey perfectly, plus the guy can write. I think things would have been a lot different, in a good way, had they done so. I'm really curious how they ended up picking Augeri over Chalfant. Seems like it would have been a no-brainer to go with Kevin..

You are saying Chalfant was better than Steve fucking Perry?

You just cemented yourself as the dumbest son of a bitch ever and an OBVIOUS Perry hater. Explains your love for Augeri. Go drive into a truck.

At that point in time, yes, he would have been. Perry wanted nothing to do with Journey...he wanted his solo career. Even Moyas said on his site that Perry told him, "After I get this Journey thing out of the way, we can get back together." He seemed to have no intention of making a long-term comittment to Journey.

A Journey with Steve Perry in 1996 was a band that released one album every ten years and never toured. The FACT is Chalfant has released more new music then Journey and Perry COMBINED over the past ten years. You can blame that on any factor you wish - but it's still a fact.

Journey would have been better off withtout Perry, and with Chalfant, in 1996...I have no doubt about that.

by **Carlitto H@kk** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:11 am

Monker wrote:
AR wrote:I would have rather slapped the name "Journey" on the first album from THE Storm. It rocks. Much more upbeat sounding record. (to get back to the Chalfant topic a bit)

Yep...and I find it ironic that Chalfant somehow finds a way to release a "Journey" sounding album at about the same time as Journey releases theirs, and it usually ends up being better. "Eye of the Storm" outshines TBF, the first Two Fires album is pretty damn close to Arrival...and now this tribute album, assuming Journey releases an album sometime soon.

The first thing I thought of when I read about KC's next release was, "Why now???"
It's almost like KC bears a grudge and wants to show all his fans and Neil that
the band fucked up by passing him over, not just once but, twice :wink:

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:39 am

Monker wrote:
At that point in time, yes, he would have been. Perry wanted nothing to do with Journey...he wanted his solo career. Even Moyas said on his site that Perry told him, "After I get this Journey thing out of the way, we can get back together." He seemed to have no intention of making a long-term comittment to Journey.

A Journey with Steve Perry in 1996 was a band that released one album every ten years and never toured. The FACT is Chalfant has released more new music then Journey and Perry COMBINED over the past ten years. You can blame that on any factor you wish - but it's still a fact.

Journey would have been better off withtout Perry, and with Chalfant, in 1996...I have no doubt about that.

I agree with you Monker, however, NO ONE knew Perry was about to fuck over the band like he did. He told Moyes that waaay after the TBF derailment.

I was referring to Chalfant's talent over Perry's. Never in our lifetime would it be better on any scale.

by **Monker** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:49 am

RockinDeano wrote:I agree with you Monker, however, NO ONE knew Perry was about to fuck over the band like he did. He told Moyes that waaay after the TBF derailment.

Herbie knew. And, I had huge gut reaction that it would never work out. EVERYTHING up to a few months before the announcement that Perry joined the reunion pointed to Perry wanting to be solo and not be a member of Journey. I never believed that changed.

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:08 am

Agreed again.

Perry premeditated the destruction of this band.

Fuck him for that.

by **Aaron** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:15 am

I'm with both AR and Monker on this one. Monker, you have a great point. I think if you slap Journey on either of The Storm or Hugo's ST cd and they would have done better. TBF was an adult contemporary effort when I was looking for a rock record. The cd pissed me off the first time I heard it. I also think in the 2001 time frame Chalfant would be better than Perry vocally. Chalfant fuckin kicks ass for sure vocally. It will be really interesting to hear Kevin singing the Journey songs. I'm pretty sure it will sound great.

L8r,

Aaron

Monker wrote:
AR wrote:I would have rather slapped the name "Journey" on the first album from THE Storm. It rocks. Much more upbeat sounding record. (to get back to the Chalfant topic a bit)

Yep...and I find it ironic that Chalfant somehow finds a way to release a "Journey" sounding album at about the same time as Journey releases theirs, and it usually ends up being better. "Eye of the Storm" outshines TBF, the first Two Fires album is pretty damn close to Arrival...and now this tribute album, assuming Journey releases an album sometime soon.

by **Aaron** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:17 am

Holy shit dude, you agreed with Monker twice in a row. What the fuck? Have you lost it? Its good to see you're being data based in your comments now.

RockinDeano wrote:Agreed again.

Perry premeditated the destruction of this band.

Fuck him for that.

by **LucyFurr** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:17 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Fuck him for that.

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:21 am

What? Is your keyboard fuckin broke?

I didn't stutter. This is why I don't like the man, but respect the singer.

by **LucyFurr** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:32 am

Perry was an asshole in his hayday, I'll give you that....but I think in his old age, he has calmed down a bit. He did however have every right to be an asshole. He made a big enough name to reserve that right to have an ego, and he DID have the goods that kept "that" Journey going. In saying that, I am glad Jeff isn't like Mr. P was attitude wise.

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:34 am

Catherine wrote:Perry was an asshole in his hayday, I'll give you that....but I think in his old age, he has calmed down a bit. He did however have every right to be an asshole. He made a big enough name to reserve that right to have an ego, and he DID have the goods that kept "that" Journey going. In saying that, I am glad Jeff isn't like Mr. P was attitude wise.

What complete bullshit. He had a "right to be an asshole?"

That is the most retarded Bush like comment thing I have ever heard.

by **LucyFurr** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:36 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Catherine wrote:Perry was an asshole in his hayday, I'll give you that....but I think in his old age, he has calmed down a bit. He did however have every right to be an asshole. He made a big enough name to reserve that right to have an ego, and he DID have the goods that kept "that" Journey going. In saying that, I am glad Jeff isn't like Mr. P was attitude wise.

What complete bullshit. He had a "right to be an asshole?"

That is the most retarded Bush like comment thing I have ever heard.

Sure, just like YOU have a right to be an asshole and you take advantage of that ALL the time....like now. :shock:

*bending over for the ass whipping I'm about to recieve*

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:37 am

Catherine wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Catherine wrote:Perry was an asshole in his hayday, I'll give you that....but I think in his old age, he has calmed down a bit. He did however have every right to be an asshole. He made a big enough name to reserve that right to have an ego, and he DID have the goods that kept "that" Journey going. In saying that, I am glad Jeff isn't like Mr. P was attitude wise.

What complete bullshit. He had a "right to be an asshole?"

That is the most retarded Bush like comment thing I have ever heard.
Sure, just like YOU have a right to be an asshole and you take advantage of that ALL the time....like now. *bending over for the ass whipping I'm about to recieve*

It's receive, not recieve, genius :wink:

by **LucyFurr** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:40 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Catherine wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Catherine wrote:Perry was an asshole in his hayday, I'll give you that....but I think in his old age, he has calmed down a bit. He did however have every right to be an asshole. He made a big enough name to reserve that right to have an ego, and he DID have the goods that kept "that" Journey going. In saying that, I am glad Jeff isn't like Mr. P was attitude wise.

What complete bullshit. He had a "right to be an asshole?"

That is the most retarded Bush like comment thing I have ever heard.
Sure, just like YOU have a right to be an asshole and you take advantage of that ALL the time....like now. *bending over for the ass whipping I'm about to recieve*

It's receive, not recieve, genius

Thanks Webster

MR

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