talkin' 'bout the new sound

[The_Noble_Cause]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

[Matthew]

I thnk we are all BIG FAT QUEERS then cause this is NOT the future sound of Journey....Jesus Christ, how many fucking times do we have to say it was written prupose specific......Jeff through in some words two fucking weeks ago and fisnished it up.....

Dude....Relax, the new Journey sound is yet to comeArrival was a good album...go listen to it........Some people just can't fucking get it thtough their fucking heads!!!!


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This fighting talk is all very seductive, SATW...and I've got to admire your blind faith...but that's all it is, isn't it? Blind faith. There's no actual evidence so far that the future sound of Journey will differ from the old...

Actually, I change my mind the whole time about whether or not I want Journey to change direction. Sometimes I want Journey to head off into a new direction entirely. Other times I think 'what's the pioint in that? Just bring on another epic 1980s style ballad for fuck's sake.'

But what I do want to hear is some SOUL on a Journey record for the first time in ten years.

Anyway...whatever happens...at least the band are shit-hot in concert again. And there's plenty of evidence for that.

[Matthew]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Good to see you back, TNC....

[Saint John]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Welcome back, fucker. As for the new song, it sucked. Very vanilla. A sign of things to come? No way....just an event specific song done rather quickly to please the pompous pricks running the event.

[Matthew]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Welcome back, fucker. As for the new song, it sucked. Very vanilla. A sign of things to come? No way....just an event specific song done rather quickly to please the pompous pricks running the event.

Why did they even agree to write a song for these people? Was it an especially well-paid commission? Or did they do it for the 'honour' and out of a deep pride in the history of Virginia?

[Saint John]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Welcome back, fucker. As for the new song, it sucked. Very vanilla. A sign of things to come? No way....just an event specific song done rather quickly to please the pompous pricks running the event.

Why did they even agree to write a song for these people? Was it an especially well-paid commission? Or did they do it for the 'honour' and out of a deep pride in the history of Virginia?

Only the band members could answer that question, Matt. My GUESS would be that they thought it would be cool to put a little something together to honor the event, appease the event sponsors and at the same time use it for a warm up to see where they're at as far as collaboration goes. Just a guess, though.

[*Laura]

Why did they even agree to write a song for these people? Was it an especially well-paid commission? Or did they do it for the 'honour' and out of a deep pride in the history of Virginia?

My take is that it was for a big fat check and also for a good national exposure for the band.
Enough reasons to cook up a special song for the event,even if the style is not reflecting the future sound of Journey.(although the song is NOT bad)

[Greg]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Welcome back, fucker. As for the new song, it sucked. Very vanilla. A sign of things to come? No way....just an event specific song done rather quickly to please the pompous pricks running the event.

Why did they even agree to write a song for these people? Was it an especially well-paid commission? Or did they do it for the 'honour' and out of a deep pride in the history of Virginia?

Only the band members could answer that question, Matt. My GUESS would be that they thought it would be cool to put a little something together to honor the event, appease the event sponsors and at the same time use it for a warm up to see where they're at as far as collaboration goes. Just a guess, though.

Yep! I agree with that! Love your new sig, SJ!

[NealIsGod]

Why did they even agree to write a song for these people? Was it an especially well-paid commission? Or did they do it for the 'honour' and out of a deep pride in the history of Virginia?

My take is that it was for a big fat check and also for a good national exposure for the band.
Enough reasons to cook up a special song for the event,even if the style is not reflecting the future sound of Journey.(although the song is NOT bad)

I think they just threw it together to keep that crowd interested.

[Red13JoePa]

[ The first 45 seconds of Higher Place had more magic than the entire TBF album.

Yep. Right off the bat I could tell HP had that "IT" absent from the good rockers on TBF.

The Place In Your Heart, same thing. Schon/Cain magic.


Also, see a goodly # of peeps pulling the "ho hum, this is the same old, same old/sounds like other stuff they've done/lot of perryisms in the song" routine. Which is fine, as long as those same critics didn't bitch before that it might not sound like Journey with JSS out front.

Gotta pick a side on it, not try to grab both ways.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The first 45 seconds of Higher Place had more magic than the entire TBF album.

Yep. Right off the bat I could tell HP had that "IT" absent from the good rockers on TBF.

The Place In Your Heart, same thing. Schon/Cain magic.

One problem - Cain didn't write 'Higher Place'.
I think all the tracks Jack Blades had a hand in have a little more contemporary vibrancy, but not by much.
As it stands, the rockers on TBF (MOL, OM, CSTL, ICSIYE) can stand toe-to-toe with pretty much anything the band has done.
With the exception of maybe Red 13, has the band has ever rocked harder than onTBF's "One More" and "I Can See It In Your Eyes"?

[Matthew]

has the band has ever rocked harder than onTBF's "One More" and "I Can See It In Your Eyes"?

No - except for maybe Edge of the Blade and Keep On Runnin'.

[NealIsGod]

has the band has ever rocked harder than onTBF's "One More" and "I Can See It In Your Eyes"?

No - except for maybe Edge of the Blade and Keep On Runnin'.

What about Suzanne and Positive Touch? Yay!!!

[stevew2]

i still dont get the vibe or mojo thing. i thought Arrivel was good .World Gone Wild [not Girls Gone Wild} reminded me a little of Separate Ways

[ohsherrie]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Hi TNC.

I agree with what I think you're saying. If this is an example of something they can throw together for a one-off occasion and then throw away, it means they've got talent and inspiration to burn.

[Red13JoePa]

The first 45 seconds of Higher Place had more magic than the entire TBF album.

Yep. Right off the bat I could tell HP had that "IT" absent from the good rockers on TBF.

The Place In Your Heart, same thing. Schon/Cain magic.

One problem - Cain didn't write 'Higher Place'.

Yea, Schon/Cain/Blades innit?

I remember thinking upon hearign TPIYH that it must've been a Blades co-write and was pumped when I found it was pure Schon/Cain.

[Matthew]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Hi TNC.

I agree with what I think you're saying. If this is an example of something they can throw together for a one-off occasion and then throw away, it means they've got talent and inspiration to burn.

Or they're sloppy and lazy and don't give a shit any more as we heard on Generations?

[Carlitto H@kk]

Or they're sloppy and lazy and don't give a shit any more as we heard on Generations?

No Matty, that's what they were for TBF

[Matthew]

has the band has ever rocked harder than onTBF's "One More" and "I Can See It In Your Eyes"?

No - except for maybe Edge of the Blade and Keep On Runnin'.

What about Suzanne and Positive Touch? Yay!!!

And let's not forget "Lights", "Lovin'Touchin Squeezin'", "All The Way" and "Butterfly"! We wouldn't want to ignore the thunderously heavy eras on either side of ROR!

[Matthew]

Also, see a goodly # of peeps pulling the "ho hum, this is the same old, same old/sounds like other stuff they've done/lot of perryisms in the song" routine. Which is fine, as long as those same critics didn't bitch before that it might not sound like Journey with JSS out front.

Gotta pick a side on it, not try to grab both ways.

I guess it'll be easier to choose when we find out whether or not the new album is any good, Red.

[Red13JoePa]

Or they're sloppy and lazy and don't give a shit any more as we heard on Generations?

No Matty, that's what they were for TBF

That's what you get with a power structure of Perry and Kevin Shirley.

Thank GOD for Elson's return.

[Matthew]

Or they're sloppy and lazy and don't give a shit any more as we heard on Generations?

No Matty, that's what they were for TBF

That's what you get with a power structure of Perry and Kevin Shirley.

Thank GOD for Elson's return.

Perry and Shirley were sloppy and lazy? I'd say both their reputations in the studuio suggests otherwise...

Whereas old Schon has the 'oh, who cares...just bang it out' mentality, don't you think?

[Matthew]

Or they're sloppy and lazy and don't give a shit any more as we heard on Generations?

No Matty, that's what they were for TBF

No CH...check your CD again...it says Generations quite clearly on the cover.

[ohsherrie]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Hi TNC.

I agree with what I think you're saying. If this is an example of something they can throw together for a one-off occasion and then throw away, it means they've got talent and inspiration to burn.

Or they're sloppy and lazy and don't give a shit any more as we heard on Generations?

Nah Matt. It's a whole new day with a whole new band. There was some good material on Generations but they just didn't have their hearts into it. They were creatively stagnated then, because they were carrying around a lot of dead weight. They've got a new driving force now.

[Red13JoePa]

Or they're sloppy and lazy and don't give a shit any more as we heard on Generations?

No Matty, that's what they were for TBF

That's what you get with a power structure of Perry and Kevin Shirley.

Thank GOD for Elson's return.

Perry and Shirley were sloppy and lazy? I'd say both their reputations in the studuio suggests otherwise...

Whereas old Schon has the 'oh, who cares...just bang it out' mentality, don't you think?

Maybe Schon takes that attidue when not on board with the musical direction.
On ROR, I think he focused that frustration into his best track-for-track playing on a Journey album yet, but it didn't work for TBF. Shirley/Perry produced a soft, sleepy, hollow effort there for the most part. I still enjoy listening to it though

[Matthew]

I haven't given it a listen yet, but me and Deano's tastes usually allign (see Believe, Butterfly, our insatiable penchant for sexually ambiguous Phillipino ladyboys) so if he says it sucks, I'm apt to believe him.

Look, here's what's important that I think the fans are missing: when was the last time this band wrote anything on the road and then played it live?
If Deano's right, and this is actually a one-off that won't make it on an album, that's all the more better: it tells me they have new music to burn.

Hi TNC.

I agree with what I think you're saying. If this is an example of something they can throw together for a one-off occasion and then throw away, it means they've got talent and inspiration to burn.

Or they're sloppy and lazy and don't give a shit any more as we heard on Generations?

Nah Matt. It's a whole new day with a whole new band. There was some good material on Generations but they just didn't have their hearts into it. They were creatively stagnated then, because they were carrying around a lot of dead weight. They've got a new driving force now.

That's certainly true of the live shows...

[Matthew]

On ROR, I think he focused that frustration into his best track-for-track playing on a Journey album yet,

Controversial but totally correct! I'm glad we're back on the same page again, Red.

[Red13JoePa]

That's certainly true of the live shows...

I'm with you on this one, though.

I'm way over the live fetish that permeates here.

Been there, done it, JSS is more than proven I'm ready for the next album.

[Red13JoePa]

On ROR, I think he focused that frustration into his best track-for-track playing on a Journey album yet,

Controversial but totally correct! I'm glad we're back on the same page again, Red.

I think Perry the producer made Neal the guitaritst CHALLENGE himself into an amazingly diverse bunch of guitar tracks on ROR that ran the gamut from rock to bluesy, to jazzy and there was restraint from Neal in places that was perfect.

Incredible, if at times perhaps unNeal-like, playing.

Hell they might very well have been better of with Perry as producer on TBF.

[Matthew]

On ROR, I think he focused that frustration into his best track-for-track playing on a Journey album yet,

Controversial but totally correct! I'm glad we're back on the same page again, Red.

I think Perry the producer made Neal the guitaritst CHALLENGE himself into an amazingly diverse bunch of guitar tracks on ROR that ran the gamut from rock to bluesy, to jazzy and there was restraint from Neal in places that was perfect.

Incredible, if at times perhaps unNeal-like, playing.

Hell they might very well have been better of with Perry as producer on TBF.

It just gets better and better...I couldn't agree more....