Journeys fan strategy

[jemhadar]

Someone once said: "Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate."

In this case "Singers come and go, but enemies accumulate"

What is the fan-strategy in first piss off Augeri fans, then JSS fans. Is Journey so huge that the fans can take everything?

I think most die-hard fans still thinks Journey is Steve Perry on vocal, like Van Halen with David Lee Roth, Deep Purple with Ritchie Blackmore etc. Taking on a new member has to grow on you, at least two albums imho.

I can't see what strategy lies behind this, what better singer than JSS to front a new era? It's not going to be easy to follow as a new lead singer to be compared to Perry and JSS all the time.



(please excuse my poor english)

[RockInDetroit]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....although I know Journey officially named him a member...that was there mistake out of this....but really the only way you could be that strongly attached to JSS was if you became fans of him through this site. I have never once heard JSS on the radio here in detroit. JSS has never had a hit. He has been a favorite of Andrew and he promotes him mightily on this site. But why all this outrage? I hear mumbo jumbo that Journey just kissed there chance at relevance away by axing JSS...that is BS.....seriously what has JSS ever done commericially? NOTHING. He has a cult following. I hear Jon Cain say that he was axed because JSS did not fit the classic sound that Journey possessed and that is why he is gone. Look Journey now realizes that they are not going to have any top forty hits any more. They want a singer where when people go see Journey in concert it sounds like Journey....Journey realizes that they are now a nostalgia act....I know nostalgia act is tough for most Journey fans to accept but that is what 99% of the acts from the 70's, 80's and 90's have become....with very few groups except U2 and Bon Jovi able to keep it going. They will never have a hit again......without Steve Perry as their lead singer....Steve Perry comes back they have a chance but that is even small...not like Trial By Fire was a major hit. So why all this outrage. Look they brought in Augeri and when his voice went away they were forced by many including you diehards to let Augeri go...they needed a fast replacement and get JSS...they reevaluated their sutuation and decided to make a change. BUT PEOPLE JSS WASN'T EVEN IN JOURNEY FOR A YEAR! Got over it....continue to buy your JSS cds they will still be there...he doesn't need to be in Journey.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....Blah Blah Blah...

Yes, we are ALL journey fans here but...
After years of the same tired routine with every tour
getting more and more stale, Jeff FINALLY gave us
long time fans something to truly be excited about again.
In his short time with the band, Jeff became as important
to some of us as a memeber of this band as Perry...
Like Perry, he was the ONE PERSON that could make this band viable again...

Last Summer's tour was the best these guys had looked/sounded
in 20 years! And with the chance of hearing an album
written collectively by Jeff, Schon and Cain...
We were ALL eager to see this band shine again...

Now we have this sudden shift that is going to set this band
10 steps backwards and solidify them as nothing more than
an over-the-hill nostalgia act milking every dime they
can off of their glory years because they are too fucking lazy and greedy
to do anything else...

[jemhadar]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. etc

I have been a Journey fan for at least 20 years. First time i heard Steve Perry i was stunned. Awesome! Augeri didn't do anything for me, but when JSS joined i was introduced to a new singer i hadn't heard sing before, just heard the name mentioned a couple of times. I dug into Youtube searching for JSS and found a really good singer who introduced me to Talisman etc. I liked it, but had the Perry voice back in my head. I didnt see any concerts, because i live far away from everything But from the response on this forum, BT and seeing clips on Youtube i saw something that could take Journey into this century.

and again please excuse my version of the english language

[donnaplease]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....although I know Journey officially named him a member...that was there mistake out of this....but really the only way you could be that strongly attached to JSS was if you became fans of him through this site. I have never once heard JSS on the radio here in detroit. JSS has never had a hit. He has been a favorite of Andrew and he promotes him mightily on this site. But why all this outrage? I hear mumbo jumbo that Journey just kissed there chance at relevance away by axing JSS...that is BS.....seriously what has JSS ever done commericially? NOTHING. He has a cult following. I hear Jon Cain say that he was axed because JSS did not fit the classic sound that Journey possessed and that is why he is gone. Look Journey now realizes that they are not going to have any top forty hits any more. They want a singer where when people go see Journey in concert it sounds like Journey....Journey realizes that they are now a nostalgia act....I know nostalgia act is tough for most Journey fans to accept but that is what 99% of the acts from the 70's, 80's and 90's have become....with very few groups except U2 and Bon Jovi able to keep it going. They will never have a hit again......without Steve Perry as their lead singer....Steve Perry comes back they have a chance but that is even small...not like Trial By Fire was a major hit. So why all this outrage. Look they brought in Augeri and when his voice went away they were forced by many including you diehards to let Augeri go...they needed a fast replacement and get JSS...they reevaluated their sutuation and decided to make a change. BUT PEOPLE JSS WASN'T EVEN IN JOURNEY FOR A YEAR! Got over it....continue to buy your JSS cds they will still be there...he doesn't need to be in Journey.

Two things:

#1 He was declared 'permanent' singer by THE BAND in December. What does 'permanent' mean to you? To me, it means...well, permanent. Not fill-in, not temporary, not "thanks for helping us out of a sticky situation". Fucking permanent!!!

#2 Dignity. It's something Jeff has, Frig & Fro do not. It's blatantly apparent that they used & abused Jeff, all the while leading him to believe he had a future with Journey. He was excited and inspired and looking forward to doing great things with this band. He had a FRIENDSHIP with Neal, a HISTORY with Neal, and would have never imagined Neal would turn into the motherfucking cocksucker that he has become to him.

Get over it you say? Yes, we will get over it eventually. Right now we want the world, and everyone who comes to this forum, to know how slimy Frig & Fro really are.

ANDREW: I think you don't need to look any farther. You have your "Dickhead of the Year" winners already. Congratulations FRIG & FRO, it couldn't happen to 2 better sons of bitches!!!

[bionic]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....Blah Blah Blah...

Yes, we are ALL journey fans here but...
After years of the same tired routine with every tour
getting more and more stale, Jeff FINALLY gave us
long time fans something to truly be excited about again.
In his short time with the band, Jeff became as important
to some of us as a memeber of this band as Perry...
Like Perry, he was the ONE PERSON that could make this band viable again...

Last Summer's tour was the best these guys had looked/sounded
in 20 years! And with the chance of hearing an album
written collectively by Jeff, Schon and Cain...
We were ALL eager to see this band shine again...

Now we have this sudden shift that is going to set this band
10 steps backwards and solidify them as nothing more than
an over-the-hill nostalgia act milking every dime they
can off of their glory years because they are too fucking lazy and greedy
to do anything else...

Well said the band will lack integrity,its about personality as well ,otherwise tribute acts would be as big as the real thing,you want the real thing not a copy,maybe Jeremy is closer to Perry as a singer but Jeff brought a whole lot more .....his soul

[JrnyScarab]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....although I know Journey officially named him a member...that was there mistake out of this....but really the only way you could be that strongly attached to JSS was if you became fans of him through this site. I have never once heard JSS on the radio here in detroit. JSS has never had a hit. He has been a favorite of Andrew and he promotes him mightily on this site. But why all this outrage? I hear mumbo jumbo that Journey just kissed there chance at relevance away by axing JSS...that is BS.....seriously what has JSS ever done commericially? NOTHING. He has a cult following. I hear Jon Cain say that he was axed because JSS did not fit the classic sound that Journey possessed and that is why he is gone. Look Journey now realizes that they are not going to have any top forty hits any more. They want a singer where when people go see Journey in concert it sounds like Journey....Journey realizes that they are now a nostalgia act....I know nostalgia act is tough for most Journey fans to accept but that is what 99% of the acts from the 70's, 80's and 90's have become....with very few groups except U2 and Bon Jovi able to keep it going. They will never have a hit again......without Steve Perry as their lead singer....Steve Perry comes back they have a chance but that is even small...not like Trial By Fire was a major hit. So why all this outrage. Look they brought in Augeri and when his voice went away they were forced by many including you diehards to let Augeri go...they needed a fast replacement and get JSS...they reevaluated their sutuation and decided to make a change. BUT PEOPLE JSS WASN'T EVEN IN JOURNEY FOR A YEAR! Got over it....continue to buy your JSS cds they will still be there...he doesn't need to be in Journey.

Two things:

#1 He was declared 'permanent' singer by THE BAND in December. What does 'permanent' mean to you? To me, it means...well, permanent. Not fill-in, not temporary, not "thanks for helping us out of a sticky situation". Fucking permanent!!!

#2 Dignity. It's something Jeff has, Frig & Fro do not. It's blatantly apparent that they used & abused Jeff, all the while leading him to believe he had a future with Journey. He was excited and inspired and looking forward to doing great things with this band. He had a FRIENDSHIP with Neal, a HISTORY with Neal, and would have never imagined Neal would turn into the motherfucking cocksucker that he has become to him.

Get over it you say? Yes, we will get over it eventually. Right now we want the world, and everyone who comes to this forum, to know how slimy Frig & Fro really are.

ANDREW: I think you don't need to look any farther. You have your "Dickhead of the Year" winners already. Congratulations FRIG & FRO, it couldn't happen to 2 better sons of bitches!!!

Donna, let er rip baby! Fuckin spot on. I'll second that Dickhead of the Year award.

Ed

[KCfla]

Two things:

#1 He was declared 'permanent' singer by THE BAND in December. What does 'permanent' mean to you? To me, it means...well, permanent. Not fill-in, not temporary, not "thanks for helping us out of a sticky situation". Fucking permanent!!!

#2 Dignity. It's something Jeff has, Frig & Fro do not. It's blatantly apparent that they used & abused Jeff, all the while leading him to believe he had a future with Journey. He was excited and inspired and looking forward to doing great things with this band. He had a FRIENDSHIP with Neal, a HISTORY with Neal, and would have never imagined Neal would turn into the motherfucking cocksucker that he has become to him.

Get over it you say? Yes, we will get over it eventually. Right now we want the world, and everyone who comes to this forum, to know how slimy Frig & Fro really are.

ANDREW: I think you don't need to look any farther. You have your "Dickhead of the Year" winners already. Congratulations FRIG & FRO, it couldn't happen to 2 better sons of bitches!!!

WORD!

[Eric]

The issue for me is that there doesn't appear to be a future of new music, and I can't support a band that doesn't put out new music. JSS gave them a chance to grow.

[Pelata]

I'm with JFS...had they not made the "permanent" announcement, and done interviews simply gushing over JSS, this whole situation would have a different ring to it...

[SusieP]

RockInDetroit..
Am I a fan of JSS or Journey?
Can't I be both?
Look, when you have guitar heroes and such, you admire them for their musical talent and ability and you like to think they have similar personal qualities.
When you discover that they have behaved in such a despicable way towards someone who,

a) bailed them out by dropping all his commitments so they could see out their Tour,
and,
b) folded up his existing band when he was offered a permanent post as lead singer

you have a right to feel angry.
Angry because a decent guy has been treated appallingly - and angry because your heroes have turned out to be downright rotten so & so's.

[Escape Artist]

I have been a Journey fan for 29+ years... I thought journey was going to move forward and I am pissed that they tossed it all and are now relegating themselves to a "tribute act"

"We want to sound like our records" - JC (translation: "We can't write good music without Steve Perry")
I say fuck 'em.... they have no fan base. They are stuck in the past and are not willing to do anything new. I am not interested in seeing them perform the same tired hits over and over, no new material that is fresh? No Journey.
Retire already!

[piecesofeight]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....although I know Journey officially named him a member...that was there mistake out of this....but really the only way you could be that strongly attached to JSS was if you became fans of him through this site. I have never once heard JSS on the radio here in detroit. JSS has never had a hit. He has been a favorite of Andrew and he promotes him mightily on this site. But why all this outrage? I hear mumbo jumbo that Journey just kissed there chance at relevance away by axing JSS...that is BS.....seriously what has JSS ever done commericially? NOTHING. He has a cult following. I hear Jon Cain say that he was axed because JSS did not fit the classic sound that Journey possessed and that is why he is gone. Look Journey now realizes that they are not going to have any top forty hits any more. They want a singer where when people go see Journey in concert it sounds like Journey....Journey realizes that they are now a nostalgia act....I know nostalgia act is tough for most Journey fans to accept but that is what 99% of the acts from the 70's, 80's and 90's have become....with very few groups except U2 and Bon Jovi able to keep it going. They will never have a hit again......without Steve Perry as their lead singer....Steve Perry comes back they have a chance but that is even small...not like Trial By Fire was a major hit. So why all this outrage. Look they brought in Augeri and when his voice went away they were forced by many including you diehards to let Augeri go...they needed a fast replacement and get JSS...they reevaluated their sutuation and decided to make a change. BUT PEOPLE JSS WASN'T EVEN IN JOURNEY FOR A YEAR! Got over it....continue to buy your JSS cds they will still be there...he doesn't need to be in Journey.

For ME. it's not just about Jeff, it's about how THEY treat people. I believe as we get older, we need to have principles, even with things that are supposed to be just enjoyment.
It's the same reason I now do not follow 'Styx', or so the legal documents say.

[Jeremey fan forever]

I don't think they have a strategy. Neal and Jonathan have officially lost their minds, its like they've become Perry-loons! I think they'd clone him if they could. Pathetic.

[ohsherrie]

Two things:

#1 He was declared 'permanent' singer by THE BAND in December. What does 'permanent' mean to you? To me, it means...well, permanent. Not fill-in, not temporary, not "thanks for helping us out of a sticky situation". Fucking permanent!!!

#2 Dignity. It's something Jeff has, Frig & Fro do not. It's blatantly apparent that they used & abused Jeff, all the while leading him to believe he had a future with Journey. He was excited and inspired and looking forward to doing great things with this band. He had a FRIENDSHIP with Neal, a HISTORY with Neal, and would have never imagined Neal would turn into the motherfucking cocksucker that he has become to him.

Get over it you say? Yes, we will get over it eventually. Right now we want the world, and everyone who comes to this forum, to know how slimy Frig & Fro really are.

ANDREW: I think you don't need to look any farther. You have your "Dickhead of the Year" winners already. Congratulations FRIG & FRO, it couldn't happen to 2 better sons of bitches!!!

That be my friend Donna who said that abso-fuckin'-lutely dead on thing.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

double post

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....Blah Blah Blah...

Yes, we are ALL journey fans here but...
After years of the same tired routine with every tour
getting more and more stale, Jeff FINALLY gave us
long time fans something to truly be excited about again.
In his short time with the band, Jeff became as important
to some of us as a memeber of this band as Perry...
Like Perry, he was the ONE PERSON that could make this band viable again...

Last Summer's tour was the best these guys had looked/sounded
in 20 years! And with the chance of hearing an album
written collectively by Jeff, Schon and Cain...
We were ALL eager to see this band shine again...

Now we have this sudden shift that is going to set this band
10 steps backwards and solidify them as nothing more than
an over-the-hill nostalgia act milking every dime they
can off of their glory years because they are too fucking lazy and greedy
to do anything else...

Let's be honest. JSS is the golden boy of this forum - THAT is the drive behind the uproar. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. Many of the people on this board have met and partied with JSS - heck, I felt special when he responded to one of my threads and a PM! People here have a personal interest in Jeff just like the people at BT had with SA. Nothing wrong with that! I posted about this before but it got locked. All of the anger being expressed here echoes what was being posted at BT when SA was dumped. It's Deja Vu!

BTW I didn't know anything about Jeff until he joined JOURNEY so I spent some time at his site - reading his song lyrics and his comments regarding his views of life and you know something - I felt like I just met my long, lost brother. The guy is weird (supernatural) like me BUT unlike me he's cool. I REALLY looked forward to hearing what he could do with Neal and Jon behind him. Apparently, they prefer to be the ones up front. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I found myself being more than a fan of his art but also a fan of him as a person. I think MANY people here felt that way.

Ultimately, I'm suprised NOT that Jeff got fired BUT that it happened so soon. Had it happened 10 years from now this place would be just as lit up.

[Carlitto H@kk]

[BTW I didn't know anything about Jeff until he joined JOURNEY so I spent some time at his site - reading his song lyrics and his comments regarding his views of life and you know something - I felt like I just met my long, lost brother. The guy is weird (supernatural) like me BUT unlike me he's cool. I REALLY looked forward to hearing what he could do with Neal and Jon behind him. Apparently, they prefer to be the ones up front. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I found myself being more than a fan of his art but also a fan of him as a person. I think MANY people here felt that way.

Ultimately, I'm suprised NOT that Jeff got fired BUT that it happened so soon. Had it happened 10 years from now this place would be just as lit up.

For once, I finally understand and agree with you, WyngDynger

[RockInDetroit]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....Blah Blah Blah...

Yes, we are ALL journey fans here but...
After years of the same tired routine with every tour
getting more and more stale, Jeff FINALLY gave us
long time fans something to truly be excited about again.
In his short time with the band, Jeff became as important
to some of us as a memeber of this band as Perry...
Like Perry, he was the ONE PERSON that could make this band viable again...

Last Summer's tour was the best these guys had looked/sounded
in 20 years! And with the chance of hearing an album
written collectively by Jeff, Schon and Cain...
We were ALL eager to see this band shine again...

Now we have this sudden shift that is going to set this band
10 steps backwards and solidify them as nothing more than
an over-the-hill nostalgia act milking every dime they
can off of their glory years because they are too fucking lazy and greedy
to do anything else...

Let's be honest. JSS is the golden boy of this forum - THAT is the drive behind the uproar. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. Many of the people on this board have met and partied with JSS - heck, I felt special when he responded to one of my threads and a PM! People here have a personal interest in Jeff just like the people at BT had with SA. Nothing wrong with that! I posted about this before but it got locked. All of the anger being expressed here echoes what was being posted at BT when SA was dumped. It's Deja Vu!

BTW I didn't know anything about Jeff until he joined JOURNEY so I spent some time at his site - reading his song lyrics and his comments regarding his views of life and you know something - I felt like I just met my long, lost brother. The guy is weird (supernatural) like me BUT unlike me he's cool. I REALLY looked forward to hearing what he could do with Neal and Jon behind him. Apparently, they prefer to be the ones up front. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I found myself being more than a fan of his art but also a fan of him as a person. I think MANY people here felt that way.

Ultimately, I'm suprised NOT that Jeff got fired BUT that it happened so soon. Had it happened 10 years from now this place would be just as lit up.

This is what I was looking for. A comment that admits that "JSS is the golden boy of this forum". Cuz honestly I think this is out of control on this board. JSS hasn't been in the band very long. I understand JSS probably did not get the best treatment. But 'Journey' is a franchise. Journey goes YEARS beyond JSS..in fact Journey goes years beyond Steve Perry. I would like to comment more on this but I don't even get the opinion I am talking to Journey fans who represent the masses. I think there are too many here who are JSS fans. We did not see much fuss over SA leaving but JSS who had only been in the bad a few months...this is crazy. Keep in mind people Journey probably did some research on this. They realize people go see them in concert more than people buy new Journey records. Touring will be there bread and butter and my hunch is the casual fan did not feel like JSS sounded like Journey. JSS may be a great vocalist but just did not sound like classic Journey. I really wish I could get a gauge on what an unbiased group would think about this decision. No I did not get the chance to see JSS in Journey. I had seen SA...and when I saw him I thought he was the perfect replace.....for touring. However I have both Arrival and Generations and think they are crap. I believe Steve Perry's song writing is even a bigger loss than his vocals.

[SacredEyes]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....Blah Blah Blah...

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BTW I didn't know anything about Jeff until he joined JOURNEY so I spent some time at his site - reading his song lyrics and his comments regarding his views of life and you know something - I felt like I just met my long, lost brother. The guy is weird (supernatural) like me BUT unlike me he's cool. I REALLY looked forward to hearing what he could do with Neal and Jon behind him. Apparently, they prefer to be the ones up front. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I found myself being more than a fan of his art but also a fan of him as a person. I think MANY people here felt that way.

Ultimately, I'm suprised NOT that Jeff got fired BUT that it happened so soon. Had it happened 10 years from now this place would be just as lit up.

We did not see much fuss over SA leaving but JSS who had only been in the bad a few months...this is crazy. Keep in mind people Journey probably did some research on this. They realize people go see them in concert more than people buy new Journey records. Touring will be there bread and butter and my hunch is the casual fan did not feel like JSS sounded like Journey. JSS may be a great vocalist but just did not sound like classic Journey. I really wish I could get a gauge on what an unbiased group would think about this decision. No I did not get the chance to see JSS in Journey. I had seen SA...and when I saw him I thought he was the perfect replace.....for touring. However I have both Arrival and Generations and think they are crap. I believe Steve Perry's song writing is even a bigger loss than his vocals.

I think this is the point, if I may interject. Where were you when the boards were lit up over SA being outed? It was an all out holy war really! Casual fans are probably not even on this board, second. If you didn't even see Jeff in concert, then shut the f**** up! Here's an idea, don't read the comments about it and allow us that appreciate the energy JSS brought to the stage and the Journey music mourn this loss. The interaction between NS and JSS on stage was awesome! The casual fan doesn't pay the monies like the ones of us that are upset in traveling across the county to watch them revitalize our music. I was excited about the new energy and pulse the band was taking. It was exciting to be there as a fan and think of the possibilities. It's a grander picture, bro! You obviously don't understand so move on and allow us to vent just like the SA fans did!

[Carlitto H@kk]

Yes, we are ALL journey fans here but...
After years of the same tired routine with every tour
getting more and more stale, Jeff FINALLY gave us
long time fans something to truly be excited about again.
In his short time with the band, Jeff became as important
to some of us as a memeber of this band as Perry...
Like Perry, he was the ONE PERSON that could make this band viable again...

Last Summer's tour was the best these guys had looked/sounded
in 20 years! And with the chance of hearing an album
written collectively by Jeff, Schon and Cain...
We were ALL eager to see this band shine again...

Now we have this sudden shift that is going to set this band
10 steps backwards and solidify them as nothing more than
an over-the-hill nostalgia act milking every dime they
can off of their glory years because they are too fucking lazy and greedy
to do anything else...

This is what I was looking for. A comment that admits that "JSS is the golden boy of this forum". Cuz honestly I think this is out of control on this board. JSS hasn't been in the band very long. I understand JSS probably did not get the best treatment. But 'Journey' is a franchise. Journey goes YEARS beyond JSS..in fact Journey goes years beyond Steve Perry. I would like to comment more on this but I don't even get the opinion I am talking to Journey fans who represent the masses. I think there are too many here who are JSS fans. We did not see much fuss over SA leaving but JSS who had only been in the bad a few months...this is crazy.

Read what I said again...
I am speaking as a TRUE Journey fan...
but there are many differnet types of fans.
I happen to be of the category that likes to
see growth and hear something fresh and new.
As much as I love the classics that drew to this band when
I was 10 years old, I crave new and better things from this band.
Especially when it looks like they were ALL getting really fired up
about this new line-up and what they could do with it.

Some of us accepted Jeff unconditionally because of
his reume, his inter-play in here and because we felt
that Mr Augeri's time in the band had run its course.
We knew Perry wasn't an option and weren't ready for these
guys to go away yet.

So now Jeff gets fired, flat out, and all those hopes have been crushed.
Not only does the unexpected suddenness of this leave a bad tatste in my mouth
but the way it has gone down, with all the lies and deceptions has left
a lot of us feeling cheated, yet again, and burned.
And for what? So the band can sit back and keep milking the classics
with someone that is as close to Perry as possible; nothing new and fresh.

Why keep hope alive or want to support a band that doesn't seem to care
that much for its die-hard fans?
How many times should I have to keep shelling out $$$ to hear the
same old material over and over and over again???

Guess what? I have the GH DVD, I have the F&B VHS, I have the Houston DVD...
I have all the albums, most of them still on vinyl; I can re-live the past anytime I want to.

It's not that Jeff is the "Golden Boy" in here.
Yes, he does have a HUGE following here but it goes beyond just that.
It boils down to long-time fans finally getting fed up with all the
lies and deception and greed of this band and finally deciding to say,
"Enough is enough, guys. You've gone too far this time."

BTW, the only way this band would ever et my support again,
whether it be by $$$ or word-of-mouth, is if Perry came back for
a one-off album and tour.
And THAT would only be to hear Perry sing again and
to be able to let my 7 yo daughter, Bella, see Perry LIVE.

But we all know that will never happen anyway...

[ohsherrie]

I think this is the point, if I may interject. Where were you when the boards were lit up over SA being outed? It was an all out holy war really! Casual fans are probably not even on this board, second. If you didn't even see Jeff in concert, then shut the f**** up! Here's an idea, don't read the comments about it and allow us that appreciate the energy JSS brought to the stage and the Journey music mourn this loss. The interaction between NS and JSS on stage was awesome! The casual fan doesn't pay the monies like the ones of us that are upset in traveling across the county to watch them revitalize our music. I was excited about the new energy and pulse the band was taking. It was exciting to be there as a fan and think of the possibilities. It's a grander picture, bro! You obviously don't understand so move on and allow us to vent just like the SA fans did!

I think you interjected very well.

[brywool]

Well said the band will lack integrity,its about personality as well ,otherwise tribute acts would be as big as the real thing,you want the real thing not a copy,maybe Jeremy is closer to Perry as a singer but Jeff brought a whole lot more .....his soul

Isn't it a little early to tell what Jeremy's bringing? I think we should cut him some slack.

Having said that, I DO remember Neal and Jon saying "We don't want a sound alike. It's too weird. We want to also grow" or something similar. With Jeremy, they're definitely getting a sound alike. As far as what Jeremy can bring to the band- who knows? He may be an incredible lyricist /songwriter. I would BET that Cain and Schon at this point are not interested in making new Journey music and are just going to ride this cart until the wheels fall off. It would be amazing if they actually resurrected everything that Journey is. It's also HIGHLY unlikely and the fact that the two main a-holes and their management did what they did to Augeri and Jeff is just not cool.

Neal and Jon are going to have to wear this shit suit for a while before the stink will come off of them.

[EightyRock]

If they survived tape gate, the will survive this. It depends on how many dumb asses open their wallets this time around. If you like being a fan of a band who treats their ticket buying public like total idiots, then by all means...open your wallet for the next flavor of the month Journey line-up. Journey's name is all about movement and change, remember? And don't forget about all the promises for great new things to come, everytime they fire one singer and hire another one.

[brywool]

Read what I said again...
I am speaking as a TRUE Journey fan...
but there are many differnet types of fans.
I happen to be of the category that likes to
see growth and hear something fresh and new.
As much as I love the classics that drew to this band when
I was 10 years old, I crave new and better things from this band.
Especially when it looks like they were ALL getting really fired up
about this new line-up and what they could do with it.

Some of us accepted Jeff unconditionally because of
his reume, his inter-play in here and because we felt
that Mr Augeri's time in the band had run its course.
We knew Perry wasn't an option and weren't ready for these
guys to go away yet.

So now Jeff gets fired, flat out, and all those hopes have been crushed.
Not only does the unexpected suddenness of this leave a bad tatste in my mouth
but the way it has gone down, with all the lies and deceptions has left
a lot of us feeling cheated, yet again, and burned.
And for what? So the band can sit back and keep milking the classics
with someone that is as close to Perry as possible; nothing new and fresh.

Why keep hope alive or want to support a band that doesn't seem to care
that much for its die-hard fans?
How many times should I have to keep shelling out $$$ to hear the
same old material over and over and over again???

Guess what? I have the GH DVD, I have the F&B VHS, I have the Houston DVD...
I have all the albums, most of them still on vinyl; I can re-live the past anytime I want to.

It's not that Jeff is the "Golden Boy" in here.
Yes, he does have a HUGE following here but it goes beyond just that.
It boils down to long-time fans finally getting fed up with all the
lies and deception and greed of this band and finally deciding to say,
"Enough is enough, guys. You've gone too far this time."

BTW, the only way this band would ever et my support again,
whether it be by $$$ or word-of-mouth, is if Perry came back for
a one-off album and tour.
And THAT would only be to hear Perry sing again and
to be able to let my 7 yo daughter, Bella, see Perry LIVE.

But we all know that will never happen anyway...

good post!

[RockInDetroit]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....Blah Blah Blah...

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BTW I didn't know anything about Jeff until he joined JOURNEY so I spent some time at his site - reading his song lyrics and his comments regarding his views of life and you know something - I felt like I just met my long, lost brother. The guy is weird (supernatural) like me BUT unlike me he's cool. I REALLY looked forward to hearing what he could do with Neal and Jon behind him. Apparently, they prefer to be the ones up front. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I found myself being more than a fan of his art but also a fan of him as a person. I think MANY people here felt that way.

Ultimately, I'm suprised NOT that Jeff got fired BUT that it happened so soon. Had it happened 10 years from now this place would be just as lit up.

We did not see much fuss over SA leaving but JSS who had only been in the bad a few months...this is crazy. Keep in mind people Journey probably did some research on this. They realize people go see them in concert more than people buy new Journey records. Touring will be there bread and butter and my hunch is the casual fan did not feel like JSS sounded like Journey. JSS may be a great vocalist but just did not sound like classic Journey. I really wish I could get a gauge on what an unbiased group would think about this decision. No I did not get the chance to see JSS in Journey. I had seen SA...and when I saw him I thought he was the perfect replace.....for touring. However I have both Arrival and Generations and think they are crap. I believe Steve Perry's song writing is even a bigger loss than his vocals.

I think this is the point, if I may interject. Where were you when the boards were lit up over SA being outed? It was an all out holy war really! Casual fans are probably not even on this board, second. If you didn't even see Jeff in concert, then shut the f**** up! Here's an idea, don't read the comments about it and allow us that appreciate the energy JSS brought to the stage and the Journey music mourn this loss. The interaction between NS and JSS on stage was awesome! The casual fan doesn't pay the monies like the ones of us that are upset in traveling across the county to watch them revitalize our music. I was excited about the new energy and pulse the band was taking. It was exciting to be there as a fan and think of the possibilities. It's a grander picture, bro! You obviously don't understand so move on and allow us to vent just like the SA fans did!

Excuse me! I can comment on this situation if I like.

I remember when Steve was out of the band. Not really the commotion there is on this one.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I remember when Steve was out of the band. Not really the commotion there is on this one.

You're right...
But I think alot of that had to do
with the fact that, after 8 years,
a lot of fans on this forum were
getting alittle bored with what was going
on and weren't as thrilled about the band any longer.

Again, the tours were stale, they were still
only covering the old material and not trying to
showcase the newer stuff and it was becoming
more and more obvious that Mr Augeri lacked the
stamina to keep up with this band's need to tour.

Jeff coming in changed that, especially when word was
coming out of the Journey camp that there was a
new energy in the band and how they
couldn't wait to get in the studio together...

We got our hopes up and then this happened.

[ohsherrie]

Well said the band will lack integrity,its about personality as well ,otherwise tribute acts would be as big as the real thing,you want the real thing not a copy,maybe Jeremy is closer to Perry as a singer but Jeff brought a whole lot more .....his soul

Isn't it a little early to tell what Jeremy's bringing? I think we should cut him some slack.

Having said that, I DO remember Neal and Jon saying "We don't want a sound alike. It's too weird. We want to also grow" or something similar. With Jeremy, they're definitely getting a sound alike. As far as what Jeremy can bring to the band- who knows? He may be an incredible lyricist /songwriter. I would BET that Cain and Schon at this point are not interested in making new Journey music and are just going to ride this cart until the wheels fall off. It would be amazing if they actually resurrected everything that Journey is. It's also HIGHLY unlikely and the fact that the two main a-holes and their management did what they did to Augeri and Jeff is just not cool.

Neal and Jon are going to have to wear this shit suit for a while before the stink will come off of them.

Here's the thing Bry, Jeremey sounds very similar to Steve Perry because he naturally sounds very similar to him. He's built a tribute band around that fact. He's not an impersonator, but he does use Perryisms a lot as part of his tribute act. He also has a lot of just Jeremey in his show. When you watch Frontiers you get the Journey feeling, but you don't feel like you're seeing Steve Perry and you don't feel like you're seeing a Perry impersonator. It's just a damned good show made up of the Journey catalog performed by guys that are damned good at what they do.

Please don't let the "tribute act" stigma taint you're opinion of Jeremey's natural talents. Give the man a chance.

[SusieP]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....Blah Blah Blah...

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BTW I didn't know anything about Jeff until he joined JOURNEY so I spent some time at his site - reading his song lyrics and his comments regarding his views of life and you know something - I felt like I just met my long, lost brother. The guy is weird (supernatural) like me BUT unlike me he's cool. I REALLY looked forward to hearing what he could do with Neal and Jon behind him. Apparently, they prefer to be the ones up front. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I found myself being more than a fan of his art but also a fan of him as a person. I think MANY people here felt that way.

Ultimately, I'm suprised NOT that Jeff got fired BUT that it happened so soon. Had it happened 10 years from now this place would be just as lit up.

We did not see much fuss over SA leaving but JSS who had only been in the bad a few months...this is crazy. Keep in mind people Journey probably did some research on this. They realize people go see them in concert more than people buy new Journey records. Touring will be there bread and butter and my hunch is the casual fan did not feel like JSS sounded like Journey. JSS may be a great vocalist but just did not sound like classic Journey. I really wish I could get a gauge on what an unbiased group would think about this decision. No I did not get the chance to see JSS in Journey. I had seen SA...and when I saw him I thought he was the perfect replace.....for touring. However I have both Arrival and Generations and think they are crap. I believe Steve Perry's song writing is even a bigger loss than his vocals.

I think this is the point, if I may interject. Where were you when the boards were lit up over SA being outed? It was an all out holy war really! Casual fans are probably not even on this board, second. If you didn't even see Jeff in concert, then shut the f**** up! Here's an idea, don't read the comments about it and allow us that appreciate the energy JSS brought to the stage and the Journey music mourn this loss. The interaction between NS and JSS on stage was awesome! The casual fan doesn't pay the monies like the ones of us that are upset in traveling across the county to watch them revitalize our music. I was excited about the new energy and pulse the band was taking. It was exciting to be there as a fan and think of the possibilities. It's a grander picture, bro! You obviously don't understand so move on and allow us to vent just like the SA fans did!

Excuse me! I can comment on this situation if I like.

I remember when Steve was out of the band. Not really the commotion there is on this one.

There was plenty of 'commotion' - but it was rather more aimed towards the use of tapes than concern for SA.

[tammy]

I asked this question before and feel even stronger than I did before about this. I wonder if most of you people are Journey fans or JSS fans? JSS was not even in the band for a year. You act like he was this key member of the band. He never once recorded a song with Joruney....although I know Journey officially named him a member...that was there mistake out of this....but really the only way you could be that strongly attached to JSS was if you became fans of him through this site. I have never once heard JSS on the radio here in detroit. JSS has never had a hit. He has been a favorite of Andrew and he promotes him mightily on this site. But why all this outrage? I hear mumbo jumbo that Journey just kissed there chance at relevance away by axing JSS...that is BS.....seriously what has JSS ever done commericially? NOTHING. He has a cult following. I hear Jon Cain say that he was axed because JSS did not fit the classic sound that Journey possessed and that is why he is gone. Look Journey now realizes that they are not going to have any top forty hits any more. They want a singer where when people go see Journey in concert it sounds like Journey....Journey realizes that they are now a nostalgia act....I know nostalgia act is tough for most Journey fans to accept but that is what 99% of the acts from the 70's, 80's and 90's have become....with very few groups except U2 and Bon Jovi able to keep it going. They will never have a hit again......without Steve Perry as their lead singer....Steve Perry comes back they have a chance but that is even small...not like Trial By Fire was a major hit. So why all this outrage. Look they brought in Augeri and when his voice went away they were forced by many including you diehards to let Augeri go...they needed a fast replacement and get JSS...they reevaluated their sutuation and decided to make a change. BUT PEOPLE JSS WASN'T EVEN IN JOURNEY FOR A YEAR! Got over it....continue to buy your JSS cds they will still be there...he doesn't need to be in Journey.

Maybe there is outrage at how stupid they can be! It has accumulated. First off, going back... they should have had empathy & waited for SP to have his surgery & recover instead of going behind his back & auditioning other singers - what kind of treatment was that to the one who put them on the map?! Then they screwed up hiring Augeri who had vocal problems straight from the beginning & then they screwed up even more by turning him into a puppet on stage with the use of taped vocals, and then they HIRE JSS - get all happy and then FIRE him - why did they make him permanent if that is not what they wanted? Did they give him a chance? No. They were due to start writing new material at the end of this month. And, finally the lousy way they let Jeff go by not even telling HIM personally. Did I miss anything?