NO PERRY

[Deb]

Hip Hip!!!!!...........

.......Hurray!!!!

[ohsherrie]

There's no bigger Perry fan around than me and I've never understood why every time Journey screws up(again) that people start thinking Perry's going to come to their rescue. Up until screwup #2(tapegate, #1 being dumping Perry) I maintained that I didn't EVER want Perry to bail them out of the tractor rut they were digging themselves into.

Then after the tapegate scandal I sort of wished he would come back and do a farewell TV performance or abbreviated tour and then retire the name with some regained dignity. I never believed for a minute that it would happen though. Whether he could still sing the songs is irrelevant because even if he can he wouldn't with this bunch of total fuckups.

As I see it, every time they humiliate the Journey name again it's one more reason for him to keep himself separate from them. He's kept his work with them on the market and it's still the only era that's recognized as having any significance. Why would he bring himself down the to level they've sunken to now?

[sad_Journey_girl]

Perry is the only one with any dignity left. Well, Gregg too. At least their legacy is rock solid.

AND Steve Smith!

[Deb]

As I see it, every time they humiliate the Journey name again it's one more reason for him to keep himself separate from them. He's kept his work with them on the market and it's still the only era that's recognized as having any significance. Why would he bring himself down the to level they've sunken to now?

True Sher. Some people have commented that he is probably sitting back laughing at this, but truthfully he probably isn't too happy about what is happening to the Journey name right now.

[ohsherrie]

As I see it, every time they humiliate the Journey name again it's one more reason for him to keep himself separate from them. He's kept his work with them on the market and it's still the only era that's recognized as having any significance. Why would he bring himself down the to level they've sunken to now?

True Sher. Some people have commented that he is probably sitting back laughing at this, but truthfully he probably isn't too happy about what is happening to the Journey name right now.

I don't thinking he's laughing or gloating either Deb. I think he probably hates what they've done to the integrity and crediblity of Journey. No matter if it is technically Neal's band to screw up, it's still Steve's life's work and musical legacy. He doesn't want it treated this way.

[MROCKFAN]

I'm glad Joe Perry isn't going to sing for Journey...

[RunningAlone Pgh]

You can have integrity without being a saint. It's just my opinion but I don't think he would ever do such a thing.

See Smith, Steve and Valory, Ross circa 1986.

Look up an interview with Friga in BAM magazine circa 1987. In it he talks about how Smitty's situation was a GROUP decision made by Frig 'n Fro and Perry ~ and it wasn't to fire Smitty, but just to give him a break because he was having some difficulties at home that were "eating him alive" (Frig's words). Smitty didn't agree and left. I can't remember the specifics of the interview but I have it at home. I'm not sure about Ross ~ that may have been Perry.

I always thought the story was that Perry had gotten into drum machines (or was it click tracks) and Smith didn't want any part of it, which led to him being removed.

That was part of it but I think they'd also either brought in or were talking of bringing in other drummers to give Steve a break. It's been a long time since I've read the article ~ I'll have to look at it tonight. At one time I'd typed it out and posted it on BT but it's a loooooooong article.

[Red13JoePa]

Some people have commented that he is probably sitting back laughing at this, but truthfully he probably isn't too happy about what is happening to the Journey name right now.

Nah.
I think he's looking at it with professional stoicism. I genuinely believe his quote on Cyndy/Laura's q&A that time in which he said "my feelings on Journey are locked within my time in the band." I think he LOOKS but not from a critical standpoint at all.

[lights1961]

There are some wild rumors going around and speculation regarding the Journey website redesign.

NONE of whatever is going on involves Steve perry or his possible return to the band.

I guarantee you it is NOT an option and while I know many would LOVE to see this happen, it is NOT the case.

It seems like the industry (radio and print) are the ones who are really stirring the pot...
two points of references.... a KGGO dj in Des Moines, talked about the situation Sunday I think about never say never, remember Genisis... and some article about the sapranos, the writer also mention the rumors regarding Perry... So take it for what its worth....STILL a very interesting turn of events..

[amaron]

two points of references.... a KGGO dj in Des Moines, talked about the situation Sunday I think about never say never, remember Genisis... and some article about the sapranos, the writer also mention the rumors regarding Perry... So take it for what its worth....STILL a very interesting turn of events..

Journey and Genesis are two completely different situations.

I felt it time to change direction in my musical life. For me now, it will be music for movies, some jazz projects, and of course my solo career. I wish the guys in Genesis all the very best in their future. We remain the best of friends.

I don't remember that type of comment from SP.

[belar]

Honestly, I doubt if Perry is paying much, if any, attention to what's going on at all. He is well past that portion of his life.

[Rocker Chic]

SP would be a fool to go back to Journey.

"Burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me"

SP is way to smart for Neals shit. IMO.

That's just it! If it were ever to happen, you can be sure as shit that Perry would be in control of everything from day 1 and Assoff & Co. would have to answer to Perry's management! He would have them all wound so tightly around his, um... you know what... That he'd have the last laugh and will be still counting his dollars long after Friga & Fro have finished counting theirs.

This is the ONLY way I see SP coming back: To retire Journey in a respectible manner with a huge tour, while being looked upon as the knight in shining armor that came to save the day. I would also love to see, as retaliation to all those "gag orders" that JRNY loves throwing around, SP insist that they stop using the Journey name when the tour is over.

What Journey/Management have done is destroy the Journey legacy, rather than revitalize it. Now, when I hear a Journey song on the radio, I have to change stations. It just irrates me to listen to them after all this. However, I must also point out that I did listen to Perry's "Oh, Sherrie" straight through the other day, though.

[MROCKFAN]

Herbie Herbert are you listening?

[lights1961]

two points of references.... a KGGO dj in Des Moines, talked about the situation Sunday I think about never say never, remember Genisis... and some article about the sapranos, the writer also mention the rumors regarding Perry... So take it for what its worth....STILL a very interesting turn of events..

Journey and Genesis are two completely different situations.

I felt it time to change direction in my musical life. For me now, it will be music for movies, some jazz projects, and of course my solo career. I wish the guys in Genesis all the very best in their future. We remain the best of friends.

I don't remember that type of comment from SP.

true, but with ROCK AND ROLL, anything can happen!

Rick

[yogi]

With all due respect to Andrew, and every other poster here how can ANYONE say for sure that Steve Perry isnt coming back??


If WE were so in the know how did this JSS situation occur without any warning???


NONE of us know as much as we wish we did!!!!!

[conversationpc]

With all due respect to Andrew, and every other poster here how can ANYONE say for sure that Steve Perry isnt coming back??


If WE were so in the know how did this JSS situation occur without any warning???


NONE of us know as much as we wish we did!!!!!

But Sammy Hagar is going to be the new lead singer by the end of next week, right?

[yogi]

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!!!

[conversationpc]

ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!!!

You've been drinking too much of Sammy's tequila.

[Rocker Chic]

With all due respect to Andrew, and every other poster here how can ANYONE say for sure that Steve Perry isnt coming back??

Trust me, if Steve Perry has any intention of coming back, he is certainly having his lawyer draw up the agreement *before* telling a soul. Journey may not have invited him back right now, but if he were to strut in, I would bet that they'd jump on it. It would be nice to see them as the hired hands for a change.

[yogi]

Neil and his posse would sell their souls( for a third time) to get their meal ticket back.


If Steve wants in, he's in PERIOD!!!!!!!


Since Steve probably doesnt want it, It's Sammy's baby to try and salvage!!!

[Rocker Chic]

Since Steve probably doesnt want it, It's Sammy's baby to try and salvage!!!

Dude, you need to start taking different drugs. Even Sammy said (to a fan at a St. Louis game -- from another thread) that this whole Journey thing is "a fuckin' mess". I doubt he wants to be anywhere near it.

To me, it pretty much speaks volumes about what he thinks of the people involved, too.

(Side Note: Let's not forget who wrote "Shout," which JSS sings, on the "Rockstar" soundtrack either! "Waitress! I need another drink!!!")

[bluejeangirl76]

I felt it time to change direction in my musical life. For me now, it will be music for movies, some jazz projects, and of course my solo career. I wish the guys in Genesis all the very best in their future. We remain the best of friends.

I don't remember that type of comment from SP.

He's made a lot of similar comments over the years actually, except for the 'best of friends' part (because you know he's not gonna be saying THAT). He doesn't really ever comment (anymore) about Journey and what's it's doing. He talks about what he's (allegedly) doing instead.

Um, you know, I have such a hard time voicing any opinions with the new incarnation of the group. I just have an opinion and memories of the Journey that I was in, that I can have opinions about and remember good and bad times, as they do. But the new incarnation, really, it's none of my business.

Translation? "Whatever, dude. I'm not involved so I don't really give a shit."

[ohsherrie]

Um, you know, I have such a hard time voicing any opinions with the new incarnation of the group. I just have an opinion and memories of the Journey that I was in, that I can have opinions about and remember good and bad times, as they do. But the new incarnation, really, it's none of my business.

Translation? "Whatever, dude. I'm not involved so I don't really give a shit."

I tend to think he really meant that he was tired of being asked about it.

[separate_wayz]

There are some wild rumors going around and speculation regarding the Journey website redesign.

NONE of whatever is going on involves Steve perry or his possible return to the band.

I guarantee you it is NOT an option and while I know many would LOVE to see this happen, it is NOT the case.

You're talking about Joe Perry, right?

He's talking about Perry Como, I think.

[lowdbrent]

Although it's a pipedream to see Perry with Journey again- I wouldn't wish these jackoffs on anybody.

Note to Perry:

Stick with Nuno. Great Player. Leave the past in the past. If Cain calls and you see him on your Caller Id, Avoid it. He's got this tape of his wife that he wants you to listen to. If Neal's number shows up, he's just looking for an alibi for his extra curricular activities.
Don't answer!

Nuno is jacked is jacked in the head now. Have you listened to his solo stuff? It's retarded.

[Gibby]

Steve Perry will never come back simply for the fact that he cannot sing the songs the way they used to be sung. He has too much pride and respect for the music to tune it so far down to fit the vocal range he has today. Neal and Jon would do it tomorrow for the paycheck it would provide but I think SP knows his limitations and wants to preserve his legacy -- good choice. The stuff shreds vocal chords folks. The question is if Steve woke up tomorrow with his 1982 voice, would he consider coming back? I'd love to hear his answer to that one.

[aggieangelcrys]

Figured as much...but it IS nice to dream of the only way to get my band back. Thanks 'Drew.

Hi, my name is Liam and the world revolves around me!


Didn't we just have this convo??? It's not all about you babycakes!

Love ya though!

[ddregs]

Steve Perry will never come back simply for the fact that he cannot sing the songs the way they used to be sung. He has too much pride and respect for the music to tune it so far down to fit the vocal range he has today. Neal and Jon would do it tomorrow for the paycheck it would provide but I think SP knows his limitations and wants to preserve his legacy -- good choice. The stuff shreds vocal chords folks. The question is if Steve woke up tomorrow with his 1982 voice, would he consider coming back? I'd love to hear his answer to that one.

Maybe I didn't get the tone of your post, but sir, that's exactly what he heavily did in his 1994 solo tour. He downtuned all Journey hits in order to sing them.
And he was on a SOLO tour, not with Frick & Frack suggesting that to him
Add to this the Bill Graham memorial concert, where he asked them to downtune Lights in order to sing it. Read Herbie Herbert interview.
I'm sorry but the thing that bugs me now is SP coming out as the saint while he was the sinner (ok , not the only one, but the most important for sure)

[Matthew]

Maybe I didn't get the tone of your post, but sir, that's exactly what he heavily did in his 1994 solo tour. He downtuned all Journey hits in order to sing them.

So what if he did? What's the big deal about downtuning? You make it sound like it's as bad as lip-synching or something....

I'm sorry but the thing that bugs me now is SP coming out as the saint while he was the sinner (ok , not the only one, but the most important for sure)

When was he the sinner? In 1997 maybe...but in '87 he had understandable and legitimate reasons to walk away. Other than the TBF shambles he did wonders for this band and has retained his dignity and integrity. Sorry if that sticks in your throat but that's just the way it is.

Perhaps what's really bugging you now is that the band have just openly admitted that their identity is completely wrapped up in the song-writing and the sound Perry brought to this group? Let's face it.... they are as devoted to the guy as much as the most hardened Loon.

[ddregs]

Maybe I didn't get the tone of your post, but sir, that's exactly what he heavily did in his 1994 solo tour. He downtuned all Journey hits in order to sing them.

So what if he did? What's the big deal about downtuning? You make it sound like it's as bad as lip-synching or something....

Please read the above post before replying. I was only replying to this phrase "Steve Perry will never come back simply for the fact that he cannot sing the songs the way they used to be sung. He has too much pride and respect for the music to tune it so far down to fit the vocal range he has today. "
My reply was exactly that HE, Mr. Steve Perry, already did that. Just facts not opinions.
For what it's worth, I hate downtuning. That's my opinion. But it's a lot better than lip-synching. If you can't sing those songs in the proper key, skip them. Just listen to The Police and their treatment of "Every Little Thing she does is magic". It's pure shit downtuned. Just skip the song, where is the problem recognizing you don't have the voice you had 20 yrs ago?

I'm sorry but the thing that bugs me now is SP coming out as the saint while he was the sinner (ok , not the only one, but the most important for sure)

When was he the sinner? In 1997 maybe...but in '87 he had understandable and legitimate reasons to walk away. Other than the TBF shambles he did wonders for this band and has retained his dignity and integrity. Sorry if that sticks in your throat but thats just the way it is.

Perhaps what's really bugging you now is that the band have just openly admitted that their identity is completely wrapped up in the song-writing and the sound Perry brought to this group? Let's face it.... they are as devoted to the guy as much as the most hardened Loon.

He was the sinner in the way he treated Steve Smith and Ross Valory. and this is a fact.
then , as usual , there are opinions. He could have been the sinner in all the TBF fiasco, starting from
- rejoining the band when Kevin Chalfant was prospected as being the new singer (but who am I to accuse anyone)
- refusing to tour for his true hip-injury
- putting out old Journey records (Greatest Hits Live, Greatest Hits dvd, Escape Live and the list goes on) whenever the new lineup was about doing something (Arrival / Generations , Live, and so on). Call it bad timing or been done on purposal?

Never been a loon or idolized someone. I still think Perry's my fav all time singer, I love his voice, but from accounted facts he isn't so different from Frick and Frack. In fact he could be even worse for what he did to Journey and fans leaving the band without notice in 1987