the augeri era

[Red13JoePa]

Me and NoMoTa are the ONLY 2 people ON here who have figured out The Time? GOD that's a great song.

Actually I know TNC likes it too.

[conversationpc]

Me and NoMoTa are the ONLY 2 people ON here who have figured out The Time? GOD that's a great song.

Actually I know TNC likes it too.

I love that song, too. Love the guitars on that track, especially.

[MCC620]

Me and NoMoTa are the ONLY 2 people ON here who have figured out The Time? GOD that's a great song.

Actually I know TNC likes it too.

me too. liked it from the first listen. like all 4 songs.

[Red13JoePa]

Me and NoMoTa are the ONLY 2 people ON here who have figured out The Time? GOD that's a great song.

Actually I know TNC likes it too.

I love that song, too. Love the guitars on that track, especially.

Yes, maybe overall the most brilliant note-for-note guitar track Schon's ever laid down. Criminally underheard and underrated by those who have heard it.

I would love to hear the instrumental track of that with the Vox removed just to see....

[JeremyP]

Arrival and Red13 are two of verrry small number of albums that I can listen to all the way through. The songs are great on both of them. I would say that Red13 is more of a musician's album, though. And Generations is good for about five songs.

*Soapbox Alert*

I really don't understand why, every time the Augeri albums are mentioned, the disclaimer inevitably follows that they're not good as the Perry era. To me they are, most definitely. Better, in some cases. I can't listen to too many Perry era albums all the way through without skipping tracks.

I think it has to do with which era you got into during your formative years. I became a Journey fan at fifteen and it was because of the Augeri lineup, so that's the one that stuck with me. I heard the music with an unbiased ear, with no expectations of it sounding like the previous lineup. I just judged the music based on it's own merits, without all that other baggage, and I absolutely loved it.

Sorry to slightly hijack the thread, I'm just tired of the, "it's ok, not as good as the Perry era" disclaimer being taken as a rule of thumb because it's not. It's only an opinion.

*Climbs off Soapbox*

Carry on!

[conversationpc]

I really don't understand why, every time the Augeri albums are mentioned, the disclaimer inevitably follows that they're not good as the Perry era. To me they are, most definitely. Better, in some cases. I can't listen to too many Perry era albums all the way through without skipping tracks.

I like the stuff on "Arrival" and "Red 13" about as well as the rest of Journey's catalogue. In fact, I'd rank "Arrival" ahead of ROR, Departure, and Trial By Fire, as well as the pre-Perry stuff. Currently, I'd put "Generations" as the worst of the albums since Perry joined, though I still don't dislike it, really.

[Marc S]

JeremyP


Arrival and Red13 are two of verrry small number of albums that I can listen to all the way through. The songs are great on both of them. I would say that Red13 is more of a musician's album, though. And Generations is good for about five songs.

*Soapbox Alert*

I really don't understand why, every time the Augeri albums are mentioned, the disclaimer inevitably follows that they're not good as the Perry era. To me they are, most definitely. Better, in some cases. I can't listen to too many Perry era albums all the way through without skipping tracks.

I think it has to do with which era you got into during your formative years. I became a Journey fan at fifteen and it was because of the Augeri lineup, so that's the one that stuck with me. I heard the music with an unbiased ear, with no expectations of it sounding like the previous lineup. I just judged the music based on it's own merits, without all that other baggage, and I absolutely loved it.

Sorry to slightly hijack the thread, I'm just tired of the, "it's ok, not as good as the Perry era" disclaimer being taken as a rule of thumb because it's not. It's only an opinion.

*Climbs off Soapbox*

Carry on! Smile

Totally agree - Arrival got me back into Journey after a long layoff.

You gonna do Higher Place when you tour with them then....?

[conversationpc]

You gonna do Higher Place when you tour with them then....?

If you're talking about the Jeremey that everyone else has been talking about, then you've got the wrong guy. Jeremey hasn't been on the forums in several days.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Me and NoMoTa are the ONLY 2 people ON here who have figured out The Time? GOD that's a great song.

Actually I know TNC likes it too.

Not only that, but it also showed a lineup that was settling into it's own distinct sound.
A little harder, a little more blues influenced.
I think Generation's "Better Together" showcases this sound, as well (almost sounds like a track from Augeri's Tyketto album).

There are more poppy and immediate songs that the Augeri-era produced, but these should be given special recognition, I think, for at least going somewhere diff. musically.

[Matthew]

I think it has to do with which era you got into during your formative years. I became a Journey fan at fifteen and it was because of the Augeri lineup, so that's the one that stuck with me.

That's totally understandable and a good explanation. God knows why the old farts on this board in are into though....

[conversationpc]

Me and NoMoTa are the ONLY 2 people ON here who have figured out The Time? GOD that's a great song.

Actually I know TNC likes it too.

Not only that, but it also showed a lineup that was settling into it's own distinct sound.
A little harder, a little more blues influenced.
I think Generation's "Better Together" showcases this sound, as well (almost sounds like a track from Augeri's Tyketto album).

There are more poppy and immediate songs that the Augeri-era produced, but these should be given special recognition, I think, for at least going somewhere diff. musically.

Yeah, all those tracks mentioned here have that raucous sound to them, for lack of a better word, much like the "Shine" album, as you said. Great stuff.

[Marc S]

conversationpc



Marc S wrote:
You gonna do Higher Place when you tour with them then....?



If you're talking about the Jeremey that everyone else has been talking about, then you've got the wrong guy. Jeremey hasn't been on the forums in several days.

Just kidding...

[JeremyP]

JeremyP


Arrival and Red13 are two of verrry small number of albums that I can listen to all the way through. The songs are great on both of them. I would say that Red13 is more of a musician's album, though. And Generations is good for about five songs.

*Soapbox Alert*

I really don't understand why, every time the Augeri albums are mentioned, the disclaimer inevitably follows that they're not good as the Perry era. To me they are, most definitely. Better, in some cases. I can't listen to too many Perry era albums all the way through without skipping tracks.

I think it has to do with which era you got into during your formative years. I became a Journey fan at fifteen and it was because of the Augeri lineup, so that's the one that stuck with me. I heard the music with an unbiased ear, with no expectations of it sounding like the previous lineup. I just judged the music based on it's own merits, without all that other baggage, and I absolutely loved it.

Sorry to slightly hijack the thread, I'm just tired of the, "it's ok, not as good as the Perry era" disclaimer being taken as a rule of thumb because it's not. It's only an opinion.

*Climbs off Soapbox*

Carry on! Smile

Totally agree - Arrival got me back into Journey after a long layoff.

You gonna do Higher Place when you tour with them then....?

I believe you're thinking of JeremEy, the singer for the Journey tribute band Frontiers. I, personally, don't wanna tour with Journey....

On the other hand, if SA needs a guitarist...I'm there!

And I'd petition for "Higher Place" to be played.

[dcvader]

Generations sounds like it was recorded in a bathroom

I think you can hear a toilet flush in the background during "Butterfly". Listen carefully!

[whocares]

Matthew... come on dude. Generations is the best? It's a shithole of a CD, production wise, by anyone's standards (other than yours). The highlight of the CD is Better Life". I got mine free at the 3 hour ripoff concert, and am glad I didn't fork over actual money for the CD. I've only hear two of the songs from Red13, so I can't comment on the other two, but yes it seems very experimental. Arrival has a few decent songs, but nothing stellar, in my view. ROR & TBF were much better than Arrival.

[Matthew]

Matthew... come on dude. Generations is the best? It's a shithole of a CD, production wise, by anyone's standards (other than yours). The highlight of the CD is Better Life". I got mine free at the 3 hour ripoff concert, and am glad I didn't fork over actual money for the CD.

Don't get me wrong, WC. I still think the CD is essentially a bit crap. I just said it was better than Arrival.

A Better Life is definitely the best track, as you say....

[brywool]

I think Generation's "Better Together" showcases this sound, as well (almost sounds like a track from Augeri's Tyketto album).

There are more poppy and immediate songs that the Augeri-era produced, but these should be given special recognition, I think, for at least going somewhere diff. musically.

YES YES. Nobody ever mentions that song. Great vocal and definitely a more bluesy feel.
Why, I think I'll listen to that right NOW.

[Eric]

In fact, I'd rank "Arrival" ahead of ROR, Departure, and Trial By Fire, as well as the pre-Perry stuff. Currently, I'd put "Generations" as the worst of the albums since Perry joined, though I still don't dislike it, really.

I agree with Arrival, but despite not having as many GOOD songs, Generations has more GREAT songs than Arrival....

[Eric]

Matthew... come on dude. Generations is the best? It's a shithole of a CD, production wise, by anyone's standards (other than yours). The highlight of the CD is Better Life". I got mine free at the 3 hour ripoff concert, and am glad I didn't fork over actual money for the CD. I've only hear two of the songs from Red13, so I can't comment on the other two, but yes it seems very experimental. Arrival has a few decent songs, but nothing stellar, in my view. ROR & TBF were much better than Arrival.

I'd put Faith in the Heartland, The Place in your Heart, Out of Harms Way and Never too Late (not on the freebie) all in my top 50 Journey songs of all time....

[Matthew]

I'd put Faith in the Heartland, The Place in your Heart, Out of Harms Way and Never too Late (not on the freebie) all in my top 50 Journey songs of all time....

Top 50 eh? Talk about being damned by faint praise....

[Red13JoePa]

I just said it was better than Arrival.

Generations IS better.

Arrival's as close to being overrated as an Augeri-era record can get...Gens is a lean, mean, rocknroll machine.

Now had Augeri worked w/ Mike Fraser for his vox on Arrival as he did on Generations MAYBE there'd be an improvement. The vox overall on Arrival were too quiet for me. Should've had the confidence to mix that more prominently, another Shirley special

[amaron]

I always thought they should have left 'I'm not that Way' on the US release. I HATE HATE HATE 'Nothing Comes Close'.

[Red13JoePa]

I always thought they should have left 'I'm not that Way' on the US release. I HATE HATE HATE 'Nothing Comes Close'.

Agree and disagree. INTW might be overall the best Augeri era ballad, no pomp, no bombast, no cheese. sincerity

NCC is one of my favorite tracks on Arrival though. The Augeri/Castronovo harmony (same mic?) on the chorus is not to be missed

[rtz]

Well, since everyone has a different opinion, might as well throw my wrong one in as well.

I thought "Arrival" was a MUCH better CD than "ROR" or "TBF". I wore that CD out for months after it was released in Japan.

"Red 13" never did alot for me. "Generations" had its moments, especially the start of the CD and the "bonus" track "Never Too Late", but the songs that Schon, Cain, and Ross sang were complete crap. The only singer I've heard that is as bad as Ross is Tom Scholz of Boston when he sang one song on their 2003 tour, and Tico Torres of Bon Jovi on the song he sings on their box set. Just awful..........

[squirt1]

I think that when Perry/Cain wrote together that they kept each other from be too sappy.

[separate_wayz]

Arrival and Generations are worth getting. I have no clue what Journey was thinking when they did Red 13.

On Arrival, I'd suggest Higher Place (which should have been put in the rotation every tour after 2001); All The Things; Live and Breathe; We Will Meet Again; and, for softer/ballad songs, Kiss Me Softly and Loved By You. The song-writing on Arrival is helped by the talents of Jack Blades.

On Generations, I'd suggest The Place in Your Heart (which got radio airtime where I am, and favorable listener response), a song that has a contemporary Frontiers sound; Faith in the Heartland; and Out of Harm's Way, for a harder-edge (and somewhat political) song where Steve Augeri displays some variation (with a little Geddy Lee-ism peaking through once or twice). Butterfly (She Flies Alone) has received a lot of criticism, but I'm going to put in a vote for it. It certainly (in my humble opinion) displays more thoughtfulness than the bulk of the material on Red 13. Lastly, Never Too Late has its moments and definitely some energy, but much about the song itself sounds dated to me, like something that might have gone on Raised on Radio before Steve Perry wielded the meat axe and chopped it.

[Sarah]

I like Generations, but it's not my favorite album by far.

Arrival is boring. Then again, I'm the only person in the world who actually likes "All The Things".

[Playitloudforme]

I gave all three a try.

They sit on my shelf gaining dust. Nuff said.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

i'll admit i've never heard anything off arrival,red13 or generations.i was thinking about buying a few cd's here soon and was wondering are they worth it? i've heard arrival had a couple good tunes but i haven't heard much about the others.

Arrival has its moments - the others are a waste of money....