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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:54 am

*Laura wrote:
Maybe this'll help.

http://www.ascap.com/about/payment/index.html


Not really.

If every artist is ALREADY bound by this simple form of performance compensation (adhered to the Styxs etc of the world) then why would Journey have to sign anything saying they agree to it? Herbie Herbert said in order for the band to continue (ie: if you don't sign, I will NOT go away quietly and just accept that ascap shit) they had to sign some OTHER compensation agreement. It's the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Fucking 9 tours later, yea I'm sure they ARE kicking themselves for doing it and perry IS cackling all the way to the bank.
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Postby SusieP » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:56 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
*Laura wrote:
Maybe this'll help.

http://www.ascap.com/about/payment/index.html


Not really.

If every artist is ALREADY bound by this simple form of performance compensation (adhered to the Styxs etc of the world) then why would Journey have to sign anything saying they agree to it? Herbie Herbert said in order for the band to continue (ie: if you don't sign, I will NOT go away quietly and just accept that ascap shit) they had to sign some OTHER compensation agreement. It the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Fucking 9 tours later, yea I'm sure they ARE kicking themselves for doing it and perry IS cackling all the way to the bank.





Like I said, it appears he was very smart indeed.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:56 am

SusieP wrote:Composers must have to give permission for their stuff to be used - otherwise why didn't the makers of The Soprano's just go ahead and use DSB?


That is a COMPLETELY unrelated issue to live performances of songs that are never released commercially.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:00 am

SusieP wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:If every artist is ALREADY bound by this simple form of performance compensation (adhered to the Styxs etc of the world) then why would Journey have to sign anything saying they agree to it? Herbie Herbert said in order for the band to continue (ie: if you don't sign, I will NOT go away quietly and just accept that ascap shit) they had to sign some OTHER compensation agreement. It the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Fucking 9 tours later, yea I'm sure they ARE kicking themselves for doing it and perry IS cackling all the way to the bank.





Like I said, it appears he was very smart indeed.



Overrated notion. Anybody can be litigious. It's not really brain surgery, you throw it against the wall see if it sticks. He was smart enough, being the Turkey Coop University's Gibblets School Of Business' prized alumn, to realize that maybe Neal and Jon would be in such a hurry to record and not get into a lenghty legal matter that they'd sign. He figured if they called his bluff and subpeanoed those hip records, he's simply withdraw the suit and get the nominal payments he was entitled to.
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Postby SusieP » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:01 am

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SusieP wrote:while SP sits in his mansion, twiddling his toes in the sand and gets paid for doing bugger all these last ten years. :lol:

LOL...And that's his right too,besides the royalties.


What a vivid image,Susie! :lol:


It's how I see him. And it makes me laugh because it appears that he suckered them into signing over more than they had to???

But as I said, it seems that permission from all co-creators has to be given before a song can be performed legally.{See my post about DSB on the Sopranos} and if I'm guessing right about that, I also guess that if ALL co-creators do not give permission, then their song cannot be performed legally. And I'm guessing if they didn't give SP the financial deal he wanted, then he would withold permission for them to gig with any song he helped create.
If I'm right, then he had them between a rock and a hard place.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:06 am

SusieP wrote:It's how I see him. And it makes me laugh because it appears that he suckered them into signing over more than they had to???



Sure it does. He took full advantage of their need to be shut of him at ANY cost at that time.

It speaks to NealIsGod's earlier point about the validity of perry's much vaunted sense of "integrity."
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Postby *Laura » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:07 am

Red13JoePa wrote: It the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Well,yes. :lol:


Royalties are the dessert.


We will never know the whole truth.Although Susie is very close with this one. :wink:


SusieP wrote:It seems that permission from all co-creators has to be given before a song can be performed legally.{See my post about DSB on the Sopranos} and if I'm guessing right about that, I also guess that if ALL co-creators do not give permission, then their song cannot be performed legally. And I'm guessing if they didn't give SP the financial deal he wanted, then he would withold permission for them to gig with any song he helped create.
If I'm right, then he had them between a rock and a hard place.
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Postby SusieP » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:07 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
SusieP wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
*Laura wrote:
Maybe this'll help.

http://www.ascap.com/about/payment/index.html


Not really.

If every artist is ALREADY bound by this simple form of performance compensation (adhered to the Styxs etc of the world) then why would Journey have to sign anything saying they agree to it? Herbie Herbert said in order for the band to continue (ie: if you don't sign, I will NOT go away quietly and just accept that ascap shit) they had to sign some OTHER compensation agreement. It the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Fucking 9 tours later, yea I'm sure they ARE kicking themselves for doing it and perry IS cackling all the way to the bank.





Like I said, it appears he was very smart indeed.



Overrated notion. Anybody can be litigious. It's not really brain surgery, you throw it against the wall see if it sticks. He was smart enough, being the Turkey Coop University's Gibblets School Of Business' prized alumn, to realize that maybe Neal and Jon would be in such a hurry to record and not get into a lenghty legal matter that they'd sign. He figured if they called his bluff and subpeanoed those hip records, he's simply withdraw the suit and get the nominal payments he was entitled to.



Sounds pretty smart to me.
Sit at home warming your hands on your money while your ex-colleagues go out and earn you some more.
Then just wait for the next royalty cheque to plop into your mailbox.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
You say To-may-to.... I say he's smart-O.
:lol:


Joe you are funny.....Turkey Coop University's Gibblets School of Business - that really made me laugh out loud. :lol: :lol:
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Postby SusieP » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:10 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
SusieP wrote:It's how I see him. And it makes me laugh because it appears that he suckered them into signing over more than they had to???



Sure it does. He took full advantage of their need to be shut of him at ANY cost at that time.

It speaks to NealIsGod's earlier point about the validity of perry's much vaunted sense of "integrity."



I'm not a loon, Joe.
I am in no doubt that Perry behaved like a complete git in the past. So I'm not looking at him through rose coloured shades.
But he definitely played it clever over this IMO.
And nobody's perfect.
To me, it's flaws which make a person interesting. :lol:
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Postby *Laura » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:12 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Turkey Coop University's Gibblets School Of Business' prized alumn,

Who the hell can have a serious debate after this one? :lol:
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Postby SusieP » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:12 am

*Laura wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote: It the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Well,yes. :lol:


Royalties are the dessert.


We will never know the whole truth.Although Susie is very close with this one. :wink:


SusieP wrote:It seems that permission from all co-creators has to be given before a song can be performed legally.{See my post about DSB on the Sopranos} and if I'm guessing right about that, I also guess that if ALL co-creators do not give permission, then their song cannot be performed legally. And I'm guessing if they didn't give SP the financial deal he wanted, then he would withold permission for them to gig with any song he helped create.
If I'm right, then he had them between a rock and a hard place.




Of course they could have gone out and created a whole new dirty dozen of their own....but they didn't.
And I guess that is what eats at Neal, too - he made a mistake. He waited longer than he should, perhaps?
But hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:12 am

*Laura wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote: It the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Well,yes. :lol:


Royalties are the dessert.




:lol: no no no no no no no no no.

Don't you understand? :twisted: :evil: :twisted:

It's not mere "royalties" at issue here. It's something else.

Something out of the ordinary that bastion of integrity foisted off on them.
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Postby SusieP » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:15 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
*Laura wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote: It the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Well,yes. :lol:


Royalties are the dessert.




:lol: no no no no no no no no no.

Don't you understand? :twisted: :evil: :twisted:

It's not mere "royalties" at issue here. It's something else.

Something out of the ordinary that bastion of integrity foisted off on them.




Joe, forget this debate - you have lost us now because we are both pissing ourselves laughing about Turkey Coop University's Gibblets Business School.
I can't think straight.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:18 am

*Laura wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Turkey Coop University's Gibblets School Of Business' prized alumn,

Who the hell can have a serious debate after this one? :lol:


:lol: Well, come on I gotta like, get those in SOMEwhere.
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Postby Moon Beam » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:18 am

TW: How could you be a happier person?
NS: If my ex-wife would leave me alone [Laughs].


Oh I'm sure she only wants your money.
Better hope the latest one doesn't have a good lawyer like Perry's got. :lol:

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Postby *Laura » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:19 am

SusieP wrote:Of course they could have gone out and created a whole new dirty dozen of their own....but they didn't.

They couldn't.Toured the heck out of the dirty dozen after Perry was gone,cuz that was the essence of this band.And SP knew that SO well.
That's the answer,IMO.

Now back to the Turkey Coop class. :lol:
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:20 am

Moon Beam wrote:Thanks for the reads Nig, nice new Av to......cool. 8)


It's ok. Not sure I'm keeping it long. I am partial to the pics with the 'fro.
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Postby SusieP » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:22 am

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Moon Beam wrote:Thanks for the reads Nig, nice new Av to......cool. 8)


It's ok. Not sure I'm keeping it long. I am partial to the pics with the 'fro.



Just don't have one featuring any Turkey gizzards or giblets. I can't take it.

For what it's worth, I really like the one you had before this one. Thats the one you had when I joined here, and it's kinda you. 8)
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:23 am

Moon Beam wrote:TW: How could you be a happier person?
NS: If my ex-wife would leave me alone [Laughs].


Yep, vintage Neal that 'un. :)
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Postby squirt1 » Wed Jul 04, 2007 7:09 am

Someone explain to me what the hell he is talking about in that interview. They stopped in 83 and 86-87 they did the ROR tour w Randy Jackson and Michael Baird and then the 10 yrs for Trial by Fire and no tour. Is Neal's mind that far gone or is it me?
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Postby PROPERRY » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:41 am

squirt1 wrote:Someone explain to me what the hell he is talking about in that interview. They stopped in 83 and 86-87 they did the ROR tour w Randy Jackson and Michael Baird and then the 10 yrs for Trial by Fire and no tour. Is Neal's mind that far gone or is it me?



I don't know what Neal is talking about either. Perry certainly did do the ROR tour and then they all took a LONG break after the tour.

And "whoever" it was on this thread that stated "Perry killed the bands chance to make a hit records again.... NEED to remember that TBF "When You Love A Woman" got a GRAMMY Nomination, and that was with NO tour with TBF.

So I believe that Perry did great things for this band, when he was in Journey, AND still to this day great things are still continuing to happen for the band because of that particular era of Perry/Journey (HWOF, Soprano Show).
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Postby Clasicrockldy » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:03 am

PROPERRY wrote:
squirt1 wrote:Someone explain to me what the hell he is talking about in that interview. They stopped in 83 and 86-87 they did the ROR tour w Randy Jackson and Michael Baird and then the 10 yrs for Trial by Fire and no tour. Is Neal's mind that far gone or is it me?



I don't know what Neal is talking about either. Perry certainly did do the ROR tour and then they all took a LONG break after the tour.

And "whoever" it was on this thread that stated "Perry killed the bands chance to make a hit records again.... NEED to remember that TBF "When You Love A Woman" got a GRAMMY Nomination, and that was with NO tour with TBF.

So I believe that Perry did great things for this band, when he was in Journey, AND still to this day great things are still continuing to happen for the band because of that particular era of Perry/Journey (HWOF, Soprano Show).


Perry packed it in after 4 3/4 months of the ROR Tour. I don't doubt that there were more dates here in the US and Japan that didn't happen. Perry couldn't do it anymore. So, in my opinion, the break was forced upon the rest of Journey by Perry. Had Neal known that Perry would of taken that long of a break, I bet he would of done something about taking Journey forward back then. If you know your Journey history, Neal isn't one to be able to sit still very long. Bad English was done while Perry was taking a break. Neal and Jon had their side projects to keep them busy while waiting for Perry. What gets me though is why Neal and Jon waited so long. One of them should of contacted Perry and said something to get Journey moving....... way before 1996.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:28 am

PROPERRY wrote:And "whoever" it was on this thread that stated "Perry killed the bands chance to make a hit records again.... NEED to remember that TBF "When You Love A Woman" got a GRAMMY Nomination, and that was with NO tour with TBF.

So I believe that Perry did great things for this band, when he was in Journey, AND still to this day great things are still continuing to happen for the band because of that particular era of Perry/Journey (HWOF, Soprano Show).



The whole band played parts in those things, not just perry, Linus.
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Postby PROPERRY » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:28 am

Clasicrockldy wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:
squirt1 wrote:Someone explain to me what the hell he is talking about in that interview. They stopped in 83 and 86-87 they did the ROR tour w Randy Jackson and Michael Baird and then the 10 yrs for Trial by Fire and no tour. Is Neal's mind that far gone or is it me?



I don't know what Neal is talking about either. Perry certainly did do the ROR tour and then they all took a LONG break after the tour.

And "whoever" it was on this thread that stated "Perry killed the bands chance to make a hit records again.... NEED to remember that TBF "When You Love A Woman" got a GRAMMY Nomination, and that was with NO tour with TBF.

So I believe that Perry did great things for this band, when he was in Journey, AND still to this day great things are still continuing to happen for the band because of that particular era of Perry/Journey (HWOF, Soprano Show).


Perry packed it in after 4 3/4 months of the ROR Tour. I don't doubt that there were more dates here in the US and Japan that didn't happen. Perry couldn't do it anymore. So, in my opinion, the break was forced upon the rest of Journey by Perry. Had Neal known that Perry would of taken that long of a break, I bet he would of done something about taking Journey forward back then. If you know your Journey history, Neal isn't one to be able to sit still very long. Bad English was done while Perry was taking a break. Neal and Jon had their side projects to keep them busy while waiting for Perry. What gets me though is why Neal and Jon waited so long. One of them should of contacted Perry and said something to get Journey moving....... way before 1996.



Well I'm ONE of the real fortunate fans that got to see the ROR Tour, and I had a really great time, it was a Fantastic concert!!!!!! I'll always remember my Perry /Jouney concerts as VERY special!!! :D

This topic has been brought up a million times on the board about Perry taking a long break between ROR & TBF, so what..... He took a long NEEDED break!! It certainly didn't stop the guys from doing their own side projects during that time, and as you said , "Neal & Jon didn't call him", so that leaves me to believe that they both were content with that they were doing at the time.
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Postby PROPERRY » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:42 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:And "whoever" it was on this thread that stated "Perry killed the bands chance to make a hit records again.... NEED to remember that TBF "When You Love A Woman" got a GRAMMY Nomination, and that was with NO tour with TBF.

So I believe that Perry did great things for this band, when he was in Journey, AND still to this day great things are still continuing to happen for the band because of that particular era of Perry/Journey (HWOF, Soprano Show).



The whole band played parts in those things, not just perry, Linus.



Yes dopey Redjoe, I'm much aware of that!
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:31 pm

Well, OK b/c your post, particularly the "great things happen for this band to this day because of perry", KIND of made it seem like he was the sole writer and instrumentalist of the band.

Find that most sincere pumpkin patch yet where you'll set up shop wating for the next appearance within a 30-mile-radius of a studio?
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Postby AlienC » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:57 pm

*Laura wrote:Nice interview. :lol: The birds were singing,the skies were blue...


Was going to comment on this one as well.

"NS: Well, I know he collects a check at the end of our tour – he must be happy"

Not sure is he was being sarcastic,but if he was,I have to laugh.Of course SP gets a check,he co-wrote the concert set-list.
Neal and Jon would have gotten the same check if Journey would've toured without them but with their songs in the set.

Oh well.

I'm pretty sure you don't have to pay performance royalties on material you wrote, or even co-wrote.
He's talking about money from being a co - owner of the name "JOURNEY".
It is up to the publishing companies to police that end of the business, and most promoters pay a blanket fee that goes into a pool that is then disbursed. It operates in much the same way as broadcast royalties do.
Some one who is a small fish is very likely to never see a dime, despite having regional airplay simply because their 'plays" despite being significant to them, may never rise above the minimum set (by those that administer this huge pool of money) required to have money available.
I know of people who have received checks for pennies, less than a dollar, and even ZERO dollars and cents, simply because there is no way to pay someone less than a cent, yet it may be mathematically present within the hundreds and thousands of equations relative to the number of artists , songwriters, songs and "plays" , be it commercials, Radio bumpers, TV shows, or actual plays on radio.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:13 pm

Damnit! I knew I should have been an accountant or a lawyer! I would have so much money... But, I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror in the morning. WTF?? Hell! That kind of money... I could have somebody else comb my hair and trim my beard & mustache! Who needs a mirror? :lol:

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Postby mistiejourney » Wed Jul 04, 2007 5:20 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:
SusieP wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:If every artist is ALREADY bound by this simple form of performance compensation (adhered to the Styxs etc of the world) then why would Journey have to sign anything saying they agree to it? Herbie Herbert said in order for the band to continue (ie: if you don't sign, I will NOT go away quietly and just accept that ascap shit) they had to sign some OTHER compensation agreement. It the same shit we all call neal and jon idiots for agreeing to and talk marvel at perry's shrewdness over.

Fucking 9 tours later, yea I'm sure they ARE kicking themselves for doing it and perry IS cackling all the way to the bank.





Like I said, it appears he was very smart indeed.



Overrated notion. Anybody can be litigious. It's not really brain surgery, you throw it against the wall see if it sticks. He was smart enough, being the Turkey Coop University's Gibblets School Of Business' prized alumn, to realize that maybe Neal and Jon would be in such a hurry to record and not get into a lenghty legal matter that they'd sign. He figured if they called his bluff and subpeanoed those hip records, he's simply withdraw the suit and get the nominal payments he was entitled to.


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Postby *Laura » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:20 pm

AlienC wrote:I'm pretty sure you don't have to pay performance royalties on material you wrote, or even co-wrote.
He's talking about money from being a co - owner of the name "JOURNEY".
It is up to the publishing companies to police that end of the business, and most promoters pay a blanket fee that goes into a pool that is then disbursed. It operates in much the same way as broadcast royalties do.
Some one who is a small fish is very likely to never see a dime, despite having regional airplay simply because their 'plays" despite being significant to them, may never rise above the minimum set (by those that administer this huge pool of money) required to have money available.
I know of people who have received checks for pennies, less than a dollar, and even ZERO dollars and cents, simply because there is no way to pay someone less than a cent, yet it may be mathematically present within the hundreds and thousands of equations relative to the number of artists , songwriters, songs and "plays" , be it commercials, Radio bumpers, TV shows, or actual plays on radio.
This is why accountants and lawyers have better houses and health plans than musicians they "serve".

Always nice to hear from you,Allen. :)

I took Neal's words literally...he said Steve "collects a check",so that was the royalty debate all about.It is the way it works.
If Schon was reffering to other financial deals,ok.'Course I know they signed arrangements for the 'Journey' name and all,but I'm not going to discuss that simply because it's too easy to drive into Speculation Land.A bumpy road. :wink:

If Journey were forced to sign something they regret now,that's another story.I guess at the time they did what they thought it's best for what they wanted to do.Although I suspect that none of them signed anything without their lawyers/accountants advices first.

I agree with your last sentence. :lol:
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