Live Earth

[Rick]

I already won the argument in my mind, which is all I care about so,

About what? How Canada's the lap of luxury? How they have cheap drugs (cuz we do all the R&D)? They spend so much on that crap and have virtually 0 military strength. They know we have their backs. Remember the scolding your boy Don Cherry gave to Canada about all of this. He was right on. There was no argument. You stated your opinion and basically put your fingers in your ears sayin, "Lalalalalalala"

They do have cheap drugs. I've ordered some from them.

[conversationpc]

I already won the argument in my mind, which is all I care about so,

About what? How Canada's the lap of luxury? How they have cheap drugs (cuz we do all the R&D)? They spend so much on that crap and have virtually 0 military strength. They know we have their backs. Remember the scolding your boy Don Cherry gave to Canada about all of this. He was right on. There was no argument. You stated your opinion and basically put your fingers in your ears sayin, "Lalalalalalala"

They do have cheap drugs. I've ordered some from them.

Cool. How much is a toke these days in Canada?

[Rick]

I already won the argument in my mind, which is all I care about so,

About what? How Canada's the lap of luxury? How they have cheap drugs (cuz we do all the R&D)? They spend so much on that crap and have virtually 0 military strength. They know we have their backs. Remember the scolding your boy Don Cherry gave to Canada about all of this. He was right on. There was no argument. You stated your opinion and basically put your fingers in your ears sayin, "Lalalalalalala"

They do have cheap drugs. I've ordered some from them.

Cool. How much is a toke these days in Canada?

LMAO!! Not in a loooooong time bro.

[RedWingFan]

I already won the argument in my mind, which is all I care about so,

About what? How Canada's the lap of luxury? How they have cheap drugs (cuz we do all the R&D)? They spend so much on that crap and have virtually 0 military strength. They know we have their backs. Remember the scolding your boy Don Cherry gave to Canada about all of this. He was right on. There was no argument. You stated your opinion and basically put your fingers in your ears sayin, "Lalalalalalala"

They do have cheap drugs. I've ordered some from them.

I know Rick. I'm live less than an hour away from the border. My point was that it's cheap for them because we do all the research and development. Then the evil drug companies only have a limited # of years to make their money back on the drugs they invent. Then generics are allowed to be sold after that time period has elapsed. Canada isn't bound by that law.

[RedWingFan]

He is a little left of me,or Libertarian, but he is tough.

You, a libertarian? Bullshit! John Stossel is a libertarian and I agree with him 90-95% of the time. I don't think I've agreed with you once politically, unless you agree vouchers should be available to escape failing schools.

[ohsherrie]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

Strongly disagree with that.


We would have no military might at all were that the case.

How pathetic would the United States military be if the "majority" of those in it were a bunch of hopeless losers? For those who do join because they feel they have no other option -- GOD BLESS THEM! At least they are not sitting on their asses collecting welfare blaming the damned government for all that is wrong in their lives.

Talk about hypocritical, elitist bullshit. I can't believe I'm reading this from you people. Do you have any idea how many parents have lost their incomes and therefore their children's education funds due to offshore outsourcing to take advantage of Republican economic policies? So now you call them hopeless losers? I had no idea you were that shallow and hateful.

Excuse me, why do I even bother? You obviously don't know or don't care about the reality of what's happening. If it doesn't touch your circle of comfort then it doesn't exist for you. Sorry for trying to intrude on your Pleasantville world.

[Saint John]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

Strongly disagree with that.


We would have no military might at all were that the case.

How pathetic would the United States military be if the "majority" of those in it were a bunch of hopeless losers? For those who do join because they feel they have no other option -- GOD BLESS THEM! At least they are not sitting on their asses collecting welfare blaming the damned government for all that is wrong in their lives.

Talk about hypocritical, elitist bullshit. I can't believe I'm reading this from you people. Do you have any idea how many parents have lost their incomes and therefore their children's education funds due to offshore outsourcing to take advantage of Republican economic policies? So now you call them hopeless losers? I had no idea you were that shallow and hateful.

Excuse me, why do I even bother? You obviously don't know or don't care about the reality of what's happening. If it doesn't touch your circle of comfort then it doesn't exist for you. Sorry for trying to intrude on your Pleasantville world.

There are ALWAYS jobs in this country. People are simply too proud to ever work for less than they're used to. I've done it and it sucks, but I did it. Americans simply do not save enough. Foreigners come here, make half as much and have twice as much (European ones for example). We HAVE to have $100 shoes, new cars and the latest gadgets. Americans spend money like drunken sailors...me being one of them, but I've been smart enough to insure myself to the hilt.
PS Your "outsourcing" argument makes up about .001% of the population. It's utter bullshit. It hasn't affected anyone I know.

[Barb]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

Strongly disagree with that.


We would have no military might at all were that the case.

How pathetic would the United States military be if the "majority" of those in it were a bunch of hopeless losers? For those who do join because they feel they have no other option -- GOD BLESS THEM! At least they are not sitting on their asses collecting welfare blaming the damned government for all that is wrong in their lives.

Talk about hypocritical, elitist bullshit. I can't believe I'm reading this from you people. Do you have any idea how many parents have lost their incomes and therefore their children's education funds due to offshore outsourcing to take advantage of Republican economic policies? So now you call them hopeless losers? I had no idea you were that shallow and hateful.

Excuse me, why do I even bother? You obviously don't know or don't care about the reality of what's happening. If it doesn't touch your circle of comfort then it doesn't exist for you. Sorry for trying to intrude on your Pleasantville world.

You're so fucking ignorant you missed that I was quoting YOU and what YOU think the caliber of our military is. You are so consumed with hatred and partisanship you can't even fucking read!
Let me know when your son has been serving in a war zone and you are worried sick 24/7. Then you can get back to me on fucking pleasantville, you condescending BITCH.
[/b]

[Rick]

Chill out. None of this is worth it. Barb, you and Sherrie need to go to PM. That name calling is not cool.

[RedWingFan]

You're so fucking ignorant you missed that I was quoting YOU and what YOU think the caliber of our military is. You are so consumed with hatred and partisanship you can't even fucking read!
Let me know when your son has been serving in a war zone and you are worried sick 24/7. Then you can get back to me on fucking pleasantville, you condescending BITCH.

oooohhhh snap Easy there Barb. Sherrie doesn't believe facts when they're presented to her. Thinks the #'s have been cooked or it's a hoax, we never landed on the moon. That sort of thing I could roll out some #'s showing how military personel have more education than the avg American but she'd just ignore it. It's not worth it.

[Skylorde]

This is somewhat off topic but a good read, especially for the conservative bunch

I subscribe to We The People newsletter www.wethepeoplefoundation.org

The have an article entitled "Bin Laden: In His Own Words".

I was quite suprised to see statements from WTP such as:

What would the world be like today if the United States Government had listened and properly responded to bin Laden’s proper Petitions to America and the rest of the world for redress of his grievances – decades worth of unjustified attacks and illegal military occupations by America and Israel targeting Muslims -- and on Muslim territory? In all likelihood, there would have been no attack on the World Trade Center, no War on Terror, no Police State, and no erosion of individual Liberties in America.

Here's part of the article:

We have just finished studying the report, “Messages To the World; The Statements of Osama Bin Laden”, authored by Osama Bin Laden, edited by Bruce Lawrence, and published by London-based Verso Books. (available on Amazon.com)

This is bin Laden, in his own words, dating back to 1994, explaining WHY he attacked our nation’s economic and military icons.

To our knowledge, no U.S newspaper has published any of these statements, no U.S. television network has broadcast any of these videos, and no U.S. radio station has broadcast any of these audiotapes explaining his motive.

Why not? Considering the price our nation is now paying due to the “War on Terror,” would it not have been prudent to take heed to the openly broadcast messages of our attackers?

What would the world be like today if the United States Government had listened and properly responded to bin Laden’s proper Petitions to America and the rest of the world for redress of his grievances – decades worth of unjustified attacks and illegal military occupations by America and Israel targeting Muslims -- and on Muslim territory? In all likelihood, there would have been no attack on the World Trade Center, no War on Terror, no Police State, and no erosion of individual Liberties in America.

What would the world be like today if the United States Government had listened and properly responded to bin Laden who had been constructing and articulating a consistent, convincing case that an attack on Islam was under way and was being orchestrated and directed by the government of America? In all likelihood, there would have been no attack on the World Trade Center, no War on Terror, no Police State, and no erosion of individual Liberties in America.

Here's the link to the rest, it's a worthy read:

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UP ... -05-07.htm

It'll make you think.

[RedWingFan]

This is somewhat off topic but a good read, especially for the conservative bunch

I subscribe to We The People newsletter www.wethepeoplefoundation.org

The have an article entitled "Bin Laden: In His Own Words".

I was quite suprised to see statements from WTP such as:

What would the world be like today if the United States Government had listened and properly responded to bin Laden’s proper Petitions to America and the rest of the world for redress of his grievances – decades worth of unjustified attacks and illegal military occupations by America and Israel targeting Muslims -- and on Muslim territory? In all likelihood, there would have been no attack on the World Trade Center, no War on Terror, no Police State, and no erosion of individual Liberties in America.

Here's part of the article:

We have just finished studying the report, “Messages To the World; The Statements of Osama Bin Laden”, authored by Osama Bin Laden, edited by Bruce Lawrence, and published by London-based Verso Books. (available on Amazon.com)

This is bin Laden, in his own words, dating back to 1994, explaining WHY he attacked our nation’s economic and military icons.

To our knowledge, no U.S newspaper has published any of these statements, no U.S. television network has broadcast any of these videos, and no U.S. radio station has broadcast any of these audiotapes explaining his motive.

Why not? Considering the price our nation is now paying due to the “War on Terror,” would it not have been prudent to take heed to the openly broadcast messages of our attackers?

What would the world be like today if the United States Government had listened and properly responded to bin Laden’s proper Petitions to America and the rest of the world for redress of his grievances – decades worth of unjustified attacks and illegal military occupations by America and Israel targeting Muslims -- and on Muslim territory? In all likelihood, there would have been no attack on the World Trade Center, no War on Terror, no Police State, and no erosion of individual Liberties in America.

What would the world be like today if the United States Government had listened and properly responded to bin Laden who had been constructing and articulating a consistent, convincing case that an attack on Islam was under way and was being orchestrated and directed by the government of America? In all likelihood, there would have been no attack on the World Trade Center, no War on Terror, no Police State, and no erosion of individual Liberties in America.

Here's the link to the rest, it's a worthy read:

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/UP ... -05-07.htm

It'll make you think.

Probably the same thing that happened with Hitler. Europe kept giving into his demands and he kept pushing. What he wanted wasn't territory it was war.

[Crazie Scarab]

The terrorists are probably sitting back in their chairs laughing their collective asses off reading this thread while at the same time thinking, "damn, those Americans are more fucked up than we thought!"

[Rick]

Let's unhijack this thread and talk about the Live Earth concert.

Weren't Urban and Keys great?

[Skylorde]

NoMoJo,

Yup, I tend to agree with you. WTP has been battling 16th amendment issues and redress of greiveaces issues for years. Their take in that article was a bit suprising.

When I read your reply, it reminded me of this article:

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist

Snippet:

I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy. (sound familiar????)

By blaming the (British) Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.

I left the British Jihadi Network in February 2006 because I realised that its members had simply become mindless killers. But if I were still fighting for their cause, I'd be laughing once again. (in reference to the latest attempted bombings in London)

The article is an excellent read.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

[Rick]

NoMoJo,

Yup, I tend to agree with you. WTP has been battling 16th amendment issues and redress of greiveaces issues for years. Their take in that article was a bit suprising.

When I read your reply, it reminded me of this article:

I was a fanatic...I know their thinking, says former radical Islamist

Snippet:

I remember how we used to laugh in celebration whenever people on TV proclaimed that the sole cause for Islamic acts of terror like 9/11, the Madrid bombings and 7/7 was Western foreign policy. (sound familiar????)

By blaming the (British) Government for our actions, those who pushed this "Blair's bombs" line did our propaganda work for us.

I left the British Jihadi Network in February 2006 because I realised that its members had simply become mindless killers. But if I were still fighting for their cause, I'd be laughing once again. (in reference to the latest attempted bombings in London)

The article is an excellent read.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Dude, go clean the porn off of TBJF and lets return this thread to it's original incarnation. Deal?

[X factor]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

Strongly disagree with that.


We would have no military might at all were that the case.

How pathetic would the United States military be if the "majority" of those in it were a bunch of hopeless losers? For those who do join because they feel they have no other option -- GOD BLESS THEM! At least they are not sitting on their asses collecting welfare blaming the damned government for all that is wrong in their lives.

Talk about hypocritical, elitist bullshit. I can't believe I'm reading this from you people. Do you have any idea how many parents have lost their incomes and therefore their children's education funds due to offshore outsourcing to take advantage of Republican economic policies? So now you call them hopeless losers? I had no idea you were that shallow and hateful.

Excuse me, why do I even bother? You obviously don't know or don't care about the reality of what's happening. If it doesn't touch your circle of comfort then it doesn't exist for you. Sorry for trying to intrude on your Pleasantville world.

There are ALWAYS jobs in this country. People are simply too proud to ever work for less than they're used to. I've done it and it sucks, but I did it. Americans simply do not save enough. Foreigners come here, make half as much and have twice as much (European ones for example). We HAVE to have $100 shoes, new cars and the latest gadgets. Americans spend money like drunken sailors...me being one of them, but I've been smart enough to insure myself to the hilt.
PS Your "outsourcing" argument makes up about .001% of the population. It's utter bullshit. It hasn't affected anyone I know.

Yes, SJ you're right, there ARE jobs. But you're also rightin that they don't pay nearly what they should, or in some cases , USED to. I'm in the same industry I was ten years ago, yet I'm making LESS. Ten years more experienced, and I have to take a gig paying less than I made in the 90's. THERE'S your Bush economy. Studies have shown that many of the new jobs that are being created in this so-called thriving economy are part time or low wage jobs. And then ask yourself this what percentage of THOSE jobs have been taken by illegals? I'd guess a healty percentage, particularly in the resturant or construction industries.
So sure it's EASY to get a job. One where a family can pay their bills? Where they can afford adaquate health care? Day care? Shit, one where they can afford GAS for a national average of 3$ a gallon? Prices have skyrocketed in the last 7 years, but where the hell are the cost of living increases? Nowhere to be found, from what I can see.


I wouldn't be so bold as to suggest I have any real solutions to this problem. And since this whole damned thread has gotten so partisan, I think this is something that bears the saying.
The Democrats have a golden opportunity to win the White House next year. I think if push comes to shove, most everyone here would agree to that. I certainly hope they DO! But instead of circling the wagons to come up with one great candidate, what do they do? "Hey I got an idea! Let's find the most polarizing people we can and run THEM! Like...I dunno...HILLARY CLINTON! Cause women have done so WELL in presidential elections and hey...who DOESN'T like Hillary? And how about this black fellow with vaguely middle eastern/Muslim sounding name? THERE'S a winner! Cause we all know how electable black muslims are her in America! And if all else fails, instead of turning to a DECENT candidate like, say, Bill Richardson, lets's trot AL GORE out for one more defeat lap!"

It truly boggles the mind. They are gonna blow this election worse than Linus when he announced that he believed in the great pumpkin!

[Rick]

not every kid who joins the military does so out of hopelessness, but most of them do. That's a fact everywhere except in Denial, USA.

Strongly disagree with that.


We would have no military might at all were that the case.

How pathetic would the United States military be if the "majority" of those in it were a bunch of hopeless losers? For those who do join because they feel they have no other option -- GOD BLESS THEM! At least they are not sitting on their asses collecting welfare blaming the damned government for all that is wrong in their lives.

Talk about hypocritical, elitist bullshit. I can't believe I'm reading this from you people. Do you have any idea how many parents have lost their incomes and therefore their children's education funds due to offshore outsourcing to take advantage of Republican economic policies? So now you call them hopeless losers? I had no idea you were that shallow and hateful.

Excuse me, why do I even bother? You obviously don't know or don't care about the reality of what's happening. If it doesn't touch your circle of comfort then it doesn't exist for you. Sorry for trying to intrude on your Pleasantville world.

There are ALWAYS jobs in this country. People are simply too proud to ever work for less than they're used to. I've done it and it sucks, but I did it. Americans simply do not save enough. Foreigners come here, make half as much and have twice as much (European ones for example). We HAVE to have $100 shoes, new cars and the latest gadgets. Americans spend money like drunken sailors...me being one of them, but I've been smart enough to insure myself to the hilt.
PS Your "outsourcing" argument makes up about .001% of the population. It's utter bullshit. It hasn't affected anyone I know.

Yes, SJ you're right, there ARE jobs. But you're also rightin that they don't pay nearly what they should, or in some cases , USED to. I'm in the same industry I was ten years ago, yet I'm making LESS. Ten years more experienced, and I have to take a gig paying less than I made in the 90's. THERE'S your Bush economy. Studies have shown that many of the new jobs that are being created in this so-called thriving economy are part time or low wage jobs. And then ask yourself this what percentage of THOSE jobs have been taken by illegals? I'd guess a healty percentage, particularly in the resturant or construction industries.
So sure it's EASY to get a job. One where a family can pay their bills? Where they can afford adaquate health care? Day care? Shit, one where they can afford GAS for a national average of 3$ a gallon? Prices have skyrocketed in the last 7 years, but where the hell are the cost of living increases? Nowhere to be found, from what I can see.


I wouldn't be so bold as to suggest I have any real solutions to this problem. And since this whole damned thread has gotten so partisan, I think this is something that bears the saying.
The Democrats have a golden opportunity to win the White House next year. I think if push comes to shove, most everyone here would agree to that. I certainly hope they DO! But instead of circling the wagons to come up with one great candidate, what do they do? "Hey I got an idea! Let's find the most polarizing people we can and run THEM! Like...I dunno...HILLARY CLINTON! Cause women have done so WELL in presidential elections and hey...who DOESN'T like Hillary? And how about this black fellow with vaguely middle eastern/Muslim sounding name? THERE'S a winner! Cause we all know how electable black muslims are her in America! And if all else fails, instead of turning to a DECENT candidate like, say, Bill Richardson, lets's trot AL GORE out for one more defeat lap!"

It truly boggles the mind. They are gonna blow this election worse than Linus when he announced that he believed in the great pumpkin!

You too, create a thread about politics. This isn't the place. I know, I participated, but it's run its course, no?

[Little Lenny]

I am so glad that al gore and recording artists have mended their differences in time to save the planet. I think a rock concert might be just the thing. Way to go Al! Stupid ass

Yes I supose it's nice that it happened, but still it's left a great carbon footprint on the globe, cars, planes,ships & trains to get to such a venue. As well as all the elctircals-power etc...it's like an oxy,moron personified really ...but yeah a grand idea in essence

[Red13JoePa]

Americans simply do not save enough. Foreigners come here, make half as much and have twice as much (European ones for example). We HAVE to have $100 shoes, new cars and the latest gadgets. Americans spend money like drunken sailors...me being one of them, but I've been smart enough to insure myself to the hilt.

Terrific theory.
I need to move you into my crib to try impress some of those sentiments.

[The_Noble_Cause]

PS, wasn't Mark Foley, the esteemed gentleman from Florida, a REPUBLICAN, blowing and fucking paiges? I rest my case.

Depends on what channel you were watching.
Fox News labeled him a Dem.
That's the thing about Fox, it's not that its outright propaganda.
It's subtle.

[conversationpc]

PS, wasn't Mark Foley, the esteemed gentleman from Florida, a REPUBLICAN, blowing and fucking paiges? I rest my case.

Depends on what channel you were watching.
Fox News labeled him a Dem.
That's the thing about Fox, it's not that its outright propaganda.
It's subtle.

Where/when on Fox was he referred to as a Democrat? I must've missed this one.

[Red13JoePa]

Depends on what channel you were watching.
Fox News labeled him a Dem.
That's the thing about Fox, it's not that its outright propaganda.
It's subtle.

Yep.

Always. Thing is it's not subtle to smart people, it's a concrete block over the head.

"Hm the CNN announcer just referred to a Democratic senator and an "Uber conservative" republican senator. I don't see a message there... "


or "Hm, I just saw Fox due an issues piece on the platforms of a Republican congresswoman and an "ultra left-wing" Democrat congressman. Fascinating, unbiased reporting it was."

No credit whatsoever given to the mentality of the viewers.

[conversationpc]

Depends on what channel you were watching.
Fox News labeled him a Dem.
That's the thing about Fox, it's not that its outright propaganda.
It's subtle.

Yep.

Always. Thing is it's not subtle to smart people, it's a concrete block over the head.

"Hm the CNN announcer just referred to a Democratic senator and an "Uber conservative" republican senator. I don't see a message there... "


or "Hm, I just saw Fox due an issues piece on the platforms of a Republican congresswoman and an "ultra left-wing" Democrat congressman. Fascinating, unbiased reporting it was."

No credit whatsoever given to the mentality of the viewers.

As a conservative, I have no problem admitting that Fox News slants conservative. I've heard the channel described as being South Park Conservative. I think that's accurate.

What I do have a problem with are those who slam Fox for being slanted but deny that CBS, NBC, CNN, etc., are not slanted.

[The_Noble_Cause]

About what? How Canada's the lap of luxury? How they have cheap drugs (cuz we do all the R&D)?

Are you a member of congress?
I ask, because only a politican, firmly enmeshed in the back pocket of the industry would stands to gain from reciting such garbage.
And if you aren't, what exactly do you get out if it?

You do realize that many pharmaceutical companies are international, right?
The #3 pharmaceutical company in the world, GlaxoSmithKline, is British.
Sanofi-Aventis is French, Novartis is Swiss, Hoffman-La Roche is Swiss, Astra-Zeneca, is Anglo-Swedish.
These are some of the leading pharmaceutical companies; oh, and yeah, their R&D spending is higher than the American companies that make up the balance of the top ten.
And what about all the bio-tech companies in Japan, Europe, and Israel?

Much of the money spent in this country goes towards other crap, not R & D.

In fact, trillions a year is spent for healthcare in America, but much of it goes for the activities of advertising, marketing, corporate profits, executive salaries, .
We’re already paying for universal healthcare, just not getting it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Where/when on Fox was he referred to as a Democrat? I must've missed this one.

It got considerable airplay on Daily Show and other satirical late night shows after it happened.
Many websites have it chronicled, even some conservative ones.
Fox News doesn't reach the Leni Riefenstahl type levels of propaganda that many like to depict.
Its insidous stuff like this you have to watch out for.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-p ... 30927.html

[The_Noble_Cause]

Besides that, Media Matters is about as unbiased and as truthfully accurate as a supermarket tabloid.

O’Reilly has attacked Media Matters without ever refuting a single one of their citations of bias.
Michael Savage has labeled them homosexuals.
And Beck, well, I’ve heard him rant about some of the crazed user comments on the site.
Admittedly, many of those can be out of line.
However, it’s hard to dispute Media Matters when they provide full footage or audio of the pundit (O’Reilly, Beck, Tucker, Savage) spewing the lie.

[Deb]

Let's unhijack this thread and talk about the Live Earth concert.

Weren't Urban and Keys great?

You betcha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZZWE-5X5PU

F*ck the political pissing matches, all about the music baby!

[conversationpc]

Where/when on Fox was he referred to as a Democrat? I must've missed this one.

It got considerable airplay on Daily Show and other satirical late night shows after it happened.
Many websites have it chronicled, even some conservative ones.
Fox News doesn't reach the Leni Riefenstahl type levels of propaganda that many like to depict.
Its insidous stuff like this you have to watch out for.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-p ... 30927.html

Gotcha. I'd be more concerned if that happened during a straight news show, as compared to O'Reilly's show, which is purposely supposed to be opinion-oriented. Still doesn't excuse it, especially since O'Reilly always brags on how much research he and his staffers do to get things right. I still enjoy his show, though I get sick of his self-promotion and, recently, his attacks on free speach rights.

Thanks also for the Leni Riefenstahl reference. I hadn't heard of her, though now that I've looked her up, I'm sure I've seen clips of her propaganda here and there on The Discovery Channel, History Channel, and other history programs.

O’Reilly has attacked Media Matters without ever refuting a single one of their citations of bias.
Michael Savage has labeled them homosexuals.
And Beck, well, I’ve heard him rant about some of the crazed user comments on the site.
Admittedly, many of those can be out of line.
However, it’s hard to dispute Media Matters when they provide full footage or audio of the pundit (O’Reilly, Beck, Tucker, Savage) spewing the lie.

Similar to Michael Moore's propaganda, Media Matters seems to have a penchant for often taking quotes and videos of said quotes out of context.

[The_Noble_Cause]

thats the funnies shit I have seen and read all year... 300 investigations in 5 months is the peoples work???

So, when the Republican do-nothings investigated possible ethical violations in the Clintons’ Christmas card list, did you consider that “the peoples work”?
The newly elected Congress have raised the minimum wage.
They’ve passed a bill to enforce the security recommendations of the 9-11 commission (the fact that this is just happening NOW is absolutely criminal).

Keep in mind, the Dems have a slim margin and the Republicans are filibustering like mad.
Just this week they filibustered and ultimately defeated a bill that would’ve established standards for time-off between deployments for our soldiers.
But you guys support the troops, right?

...their approval at lower than Bush---no benchmarks yet have been made cant agree on anything HARD..... too damn funny..

The source for disapproval is obvious.
It’s the war.
And anything the Dems manage to get passed regarding the war is getting vetoed anyways.