Van Hagar vs. Van Roth....

[JH'sTXfan]

Sorry, to stick to the topic, vocally I prefer SH, have been into him since Three Lock Box, but I would go see them with DLR if they would come through Texas. He's quite the showman, that Dave.

The only way I think I'd go is if I get a free ticket.

Plausible, if the Harem threw in a buck apiece.

[vhroth]

The only way I think I'd go is if I get a free ticket. Not that I don't wanna see Diamond with VH again...it's just more of the Mikey situation. Those harmonies of his and that bass playing made the band complete. I honestly don't care how good Wolfie is...I can almost PROMISE that he won't have the same style OR voice. IMO anyway.

Why all the debate? MA is out of Van Halen and in The Other Half. So just go see The Other Half. As for MA's bass playing making the band complete,I can barely hear the bass on the CVH albums. Eddie and Dave are the sound of CVH. MA was just lucky enough to be there for the ride.

To see Dave and Eddie onstage together again is going to be great.

[Liam]

To see Dave and Eddie onstage together again is going to be great.

You just like going after me dont'cha, Scooter? I wasn't debating. I was saying how I felt. AGAIN...simple as that. You have your opinion...I have mine. Guess what...THEY DIFFER.

[vhroth]

To see Dave and Eddie onstage together again is going to be great.

You just like going after me dont'cha, Scooter? I wasn't debating. I was saying how I felt. AGAIN...simple as that. You have your opinion...I have mine. Guess what...THEY DIFFER.

I just don't see how anyone can say that MA's bass playing completed Van Halen.

[Liam]

To see Dave and Eddie onstage together again is going to be great.

You just like going after me dont'cha, Scooter? I wasn't debating. I was saying how I felt. AGAIN...simple as that. You have your opinion...I have mine. Guess what...THEY DIFFER.

I just don't see how anyone can say that MA's bass playing completed Van Halen.

It did...along with his voice...FOR ME. Didn't say you had to have the exact same opinion.

[Pacfanweb]

To see Dave and Eddie onstage together again is going to be great.

You just like going after me dont'cha, Scooter? I wasn't debating. I was saying how I felt. AGAIN...simple as that. You have your opinion...I have mine. Guess what...THEY DIFFER.

I just don't see how anyone can say that MA's bass playing completed Van Halen.

Especially since Donn Landee buried Mike in the mix on every album he did with VH. The remasters sound MUCH better.

[X factor]

I had every intention of purchasing these tix, but I came to the conclusion that I saw my reunion in '04. Sammy is the man!

To me, I can't get that canned hair look that Dave had, with the purple spandex....in that Sam and Dave tour. Pathetic!

Plus, Ed replaces Mikey with that 300+ lb. son of his? Give me a fucking break!

Fuck that!

I always prefered to call them SAM-HALEN as opposed to VAN HAGAR.

...that is all...

[VH101]

Van Halen, Van Hagar??

It's like "Oranges and Tangerines."

Just different lead vocalists who are both quite talented.

Ed "The Tone Chaser" clearly makes the VH sound sound clearly.

[Pacfanweb]

Van Halen, Van Hagar??

It's like "Oranges and Tangerines."

Just different lead vocalists who are both quite talented.

Ed "The Tone Chaser" clearly makes the VH sound sound clearly.

Exactly. Nobody made Dave quit VH in 85, and Sammy didn't pursue the job. I never have seen why people have such a problem with Sammy being in VH....they act like VH kicked Dave out to get Sammy, which is far from the truth.

Just look at it like two different bands. Both were great, IMO. Everyone has an opinion on which was better.....and you know what? It doesn't matter. At the end of the day, it's just a band.
I'm sick of the Dave vs Sam debate. I wish everyone would just go ahead and like one version, like both versions, whatever....just STFU about it.
All versions of VH had Edward, and that's the main thing that matters.

[Moose]

well..after some thought...I bought tix to see them on October 3rd. Can't wait to see Dave's spray on hair and purple spandex pants ........

[Pacfanweb]

well..after some thought...I bought tix to see them on October 3rd. Can't wait to see Dave's spray on hair and purple spandex pants ........

Well, in all fairness, he gave up those outfits after the 2002 tour with Sammy.

And yeah, he did look completely ridiculous on that tour. Blond wigs, and shiny satin-looking outfits. Totally Vegas. And totally unlike he had ever looked before.

[Red13JoePa]

Can't wait to see Dave's spray on hair

Ha!

[Voyager]

Everyone who is so pro-Hagar has never seen Dave with Ed before. I'm old enough to have...Sammy is the man, but Dave is THE MAN.

I saw enough on the '82, '83, and '84 boots and the Sam and Dave tour to know that he can't sing a whole song.

I second that. I saw Van Halen in Saint Louis in 1984, and David Lee Roth was so fucked-up he couldn't remember any of the lyrics. He was slurring and slobbering, and ended up falling down on the floor and couldn't get up. They cancelled the rest of the show after only seven songs. The audience booed for 30 minutes.

I also saw Dave on the Sammy & Dave Tour, and even though he was supposedly straight this time, he still forgot over half the lyrics. Plus his trademark scream has become an off-key, dull sounding yell. Any upper register Dave had is now gone, and his voice sounded like shit for the most part.

[vhroth]

Everyone who is so pro-Hagar has never seen Dave with Ed before. I'm old enough to have...Sammy is the man, but Dave is THE MAN.

I saw enough on the '82, '83, and '84 boots and the Sam and Dave tour to know that he can't sing a whole song.

I second that. I saw Van Halen in Saint Louis in 1984, and David Lee Roth was so fucked-up he couldn't remember any of the lyrics. He was slurring and slobbering, and ended up falling down on the floor and couldn't get up. They cancelled the rest of the show after only seven songs. The audience booed for 30 minutes.

That is BULLSHIT. Van Halen never canceled a show with Dave accept for a few shows in 1983 in South America. Not liking Dave is one thing but making up lies and stories is pathetic. Dave was very drunk for the US Festival show and he still went on. Now stop making up lies and go suck Fagars duick asshole.

[ddregs]

Dave's voice is nowhere what he had back in the early 80s. His voice changed so much from Skyscraper to A Little Ain't Enough, his trademark screams were already gone back then. His voice became rough. We're talking 'bout 1991.
Now, he managed to get his voice to a good level. He didn't regain any high register, but he's singing as much as he can while doing the show. He still is the man.
There are only a few singers who didn't lose any note from their high register. Sammy btw lost just a bit of that, but his voice is still spectacular. (I admit this while not being a fan of his voice).
Anyway, Van Halen is not only about high pitched screams, but much more about swing and entertainment. They lost it with Sammy.

[Voyager]

Everyone who is so pro-Hagar has never seen Dave with Ed before. I'm old enough to have...Sammy is the man, but Dave is THE MAN.

I saw enough on the '82, '83, and '84 boots and the Sam and Dave tour to know that he can't sing a whole song.

I second that. I saw Van Halen in Saint Louis in 1984, and David Lee Roth was so fucked-up he couldn't remember any of the lyrics. He was slurring and slobbering, and ended up falling down on the floor and couldn't get up. They cancelled the rest of the show after only seven songs. The audience booed for 30 minutes.

That is BULLSHIT. Van Halen never canceled a show with Dave accept for a few shows in 1983 in South America. Not liking Dave is one thing but making up lies and stories is pathetic. Dave was very drunk for the US Festival show and he still went on. Now stop making up lies and go suck Fagars duick asshole.

I was at the show and I have no reason to make anything up. Were you there dickfuck? No? Well then you don't have a fucking clue. Get your boyfriend's dick out of your ass and get a fucking job biotch.

DLR was stoned, and the show was over earlier than it should have been. The audience booed. I was there.

You're one bitter mother fucker. I'd hate to be in your family. They probably catch hell from you day and night.

[vhroth]

Everyone who is so pro-Hagar has never seen Dave with Ed before. I'm old enough to have...Sammy is the man, but Dave is THE MAN.

I saw enough on the '82, '83, and '84 boots and the Sam and Dave tour to know that he can't sing a whole song.

I second that. I saw Van Halen in Saint Louis in 1984, and David Lee Roth was so fucked-up he couldn't remember any of the lyrics. He was slurring and slobbering, and ended up falling down on the floor and couldn't get up. They cancelled the rest of the show after only seven songs. The audience booed for 30 minutes.

That is BULLSHIT. Van Halen never canceled a show with Dave accept for a few shows in 1983 in South America. Not liking Dave is one thing but making up lies and stories is pathetic. Dave was very drunk for the US Festival show and he still went on. Now stop making up lies and go suck Fagars duick asshole.

I was at the show and I have no reason to make anything up. Were you there dickfuck? No? Well then you don't have a fucking clue. Get your boyfriend's dick out of your ass and get a fucking job biotch.

DLR was stoned, and the show was over earlier than it should have been. The audience booed. I was there.

You're one bitter mother fucker. I'd hate to be in your family. They probably catch hell from you day and night.

If you were there what month and date was the show?

You have a lot of nerve calling me bitter when all you do is come on here and bitch and moan about Eddie Van Halen and make photoshop pictures of him. Get a life. If you're into photoshop why don't you do something more productive with it then waste your time making stupid shit with Eddie Van Halen pictures. What did Eddie ever do to you?

You are so full of shit. IF Dave was that drunk or now you're saying stoned,he would have snorted up some coke so he could finish the show like he did before he went on stage at the US Festival when he was stumbling down drunk backstage.

So tell me what month and day was the show or at least the month.

[vhroth]

You don't have an answer do you Voyager? Thats what I thought. Your first post about the show in 84 you said that VH only played 7 songs and had to cancel the show. Your second post you say the show ended before it was supposed to. I know the month and dates of the shows in St. Louis. Do you? I also know what you say didn't happen and you're a liar.

Don't make up lies about a Jew.

[Voyager]

You don't have an answer do you Voyager? Thats what I thought.

LOL! I don't spend 24/7 here like some do. I actually have a job and other committments.

Hmmmm... let's see.... two shows in STL during the 1984 tour - June 26 and 27, 1984. One of them got horribly botched by DLR.

Check your facts next time. Have a great day.

[Voyager]

Why do you act so surprised that DLR wasted a show in 1984? It's been a well-known fact that DLR has been forgetting the lyrics to his own songs ever since the early 80's. When I saw him in 1984, he was not only forgetting most of the lyrics - but he couldn't even get the words formed with his mouth. It was like he was slurring everything, and laughing about it. He fell down several times. The last time he fell, he didn't get up. The band finished the song without him, and then they stopped the show. Everyone booed. I remember it like it was yesterday.

What's the big deal? I watched Steve Tyler fall off a stage drunk in the 80's and break his jaw on the scaffolding. The show was stopped after only a few songs. Shortly thereafter Tyler went into rehab, and has been doing well ever since. Apparently his rehab took.

That said, I think it's a 50-50 shot that this tour will produce some fun shows. I'm treating the whole thing as a novelty act for now. I'll take a wait-and-see approach. Without Sammy and/or Mikey to be the stable force needed to stand up to Eddie and force common sense on him to make it through a tour, I'm going to be shocked if the tour makes it two months without imploding on itself. I mean, look at how nasty Dave was to Sammy on the Sam & Dave tour. Dave probably still has underlying anger against the VH brothers for all the shit they talked about him. Once the show hits the road, it's going to be dramatic to say the least. If I don't end up catching a show on this tour, I'll just read about it in the National Enquirer while listening to Diver Down.

I'm just hoping that we don't see the term 5150 realized on this tour:

5150 is a section of California's Welfare and Institutions Code which allows a qualified officer or clinician to involuntarily confine a person deemed a danger to himself, herself, and/or others and/or gravely disabled. A qualified officer, which includes any California peace officer, as well as any specifically designated county clinician, can request the confinement after signing a written declaration. When used as a term, 5150 can informally refer to the person being confined as well as the declaration itself.

Hopefully Wolfgang can do the work of Sammy and Mikey to keep Eddie from self-destructing. Good luck Wolf.

[NealIsGod]

Hopefully Wolfgang can do the work of Sammy and Mikey to keep Eddie from self-destructing. Good luck Wolf.

Yeah, as much as we all want Mike back in the band, I think Wolfie's presence will keep Ed very happy on this tour. Things happen for a reason.

[vhroth]

Voyager, you're still full of shit. If Dave was that drunk he would have snorted up some coke and finished the show. Dave always had the party atmosphere during the shows in the early days but half of it was an act. Dave has always been into fitness and staying healthy. Do you think he could twirl that sword around on the 1984 tour if he was always fucked up? He was fucked up for the US Festival show and thats why when he did his sword routine he didn't use the sword. He still acted like he was doing it but it was like he was playing air guitar. Do you think he could twirl around that metal rod during Jump if he was fucked up? Do you know how difficult that is to do and how long it takes to learn that ancient martial arts move? It takes 100% concentration,one wrong move and that thing is flying out in the crowd and fucking some people up. He only messed up one time with the metal rod in 2005 and had to have stitch's but he never stopped the show.

If you like Sam and Mike and don't like Dave and Eddie whats your point of constantly talking negative about them? Why don't you talk about Sam and Mike and be positive and enjoy your life more instead of acting like you're so bitter? You bitch more than a woman and it's only rock and roll,try not to take it so seriously. There are previous band members that I don't like so much but I don't constantly post about them like I'm always pissed off and bitter about it and spend my time making retarded photoshop pictures of them. Just let it go,if you can't then maybe you need some help,some counseling because you act like Dave and Eddie ruined your life.

[vhroth]

Hopefully Wolfgang can do the work of Sammy and Mikey to keep Eddie from self-destructing. Good luck Wolf.

Yeah, as much as we all want Mike back in the band, I think Wolfie's presence will keep Ed very happy on this tour. Things happen for a reason.

I think you're right and I think VH might release a show on DVD from this tour because Eddie will want to have it filmed because it's his first tour with Wolfgang. I would rather have the Oakland show on DVD but a show with Eddie and Dave doing all CVH will be cool.

[Red13JoePa]

DLR has never been nor pretended to be Pavoratti anyway. He's a hard rock/metal frontman who never had the metal shriek anyway.

This is all about having Dave on stage singing however well he can to that guitar, and for that i fucing love it.

[vhroth]

DLR has never been nor pretended to be Pavoratti anyway. He's a hard rock/metal frontman who never had the metal shriek anyway.

This is all about having Dave on stage singing however well he can to that guitar, and for that i fucing love it.

Well said.

[Pacfanweb]

Hopefully Wolfgang can do the work of Sammy and Mikey to keep Eddie from self-destructing. Good luck Wolf.

Yeah, as much as we all want Mike back in the band, I think Wolfie's presence will keep Ed very happy on this tour. Things happen for a reason.

I don't know....Wolf was around for a good bit of the 2004 tour and it didn't help. Hope this time it's different.

[vhroth]

Hopefully Wolfgang can do the work of Sammy and Mikey to keep Eddie from self-destructing. Good luck Wolf.

Yeah, as much as we all want Mike back in the band, I think Wolfie's presence will keep Ed very happy on this tour. Things happen for a reason.

I don't know....Wolf was around for a good bit of the 2004 tour and it didn't help. Hope this time it's different.

Wolfgang only came out during Eddie's solo and played 316. You can't judge him by that.

[Voyager]

If you like Sam and Mike and don't like Dave and Eddie whats your point of constantly talking negative about them? Why don't you talk about Sam and Mike and be positive and enjoy your life more instead of acting like you're so bitter?

You bitch more about my bitching than what I bitch to begin with.

All I am doing is discussing the current actions of the people in the bands that I like, which is what band forums like this are for. Unlike some fans, I don't treat the bands' leaders as gods who can do no wrong. If they do positive things that help them entertain people and create good music, then the things I discuss regarding those people will probably sound "positive". If they are getting wasted and making stupid decisions, I talk about that too... and that is what you are labelling "negative". But guess what? Michael Jackson has fans who worship him, and if anyone talks about the things he has done - his fans call it "negative". That is exactly what the current exchange between you and I is all about. I bring up things that Eddie is currently doing, and you call it negative.

Bottom line is, I treat Eddie Van Halen like an equal human being and don't do anything to cover up his actions, and others treat him as a god who can do no wrong. Those two camps will always see things differently. Thanks for lobbing the tennis ball back and forth. One of us will eventually win (or at least we will think that we did). If not, we will at least rack up our post counts. First one to 25,000 wins their own forum on a free forum hosting company where they can force everyone to believe the way they do.

Baaahahahaaaaaa! I hear the bleating of the sheep on my own free forum calling me! It's time to give them their daily marching orders. Adios.

[Voyager]

Here's some food for thought for you that I picked up somewhere:

[vhroth]

If you like Sam and Mike and don't like Dave and Eddie whats your point of constantly talking negative about them? Why don't you talk about Sam and Mike and be positive and enjoy your life more instead of acting like you're so bitter?

You bitch more about my bitching than what I bitch to begin with.

All I am doing is discussing the current actions of the people in the bands that I like, which is what band forums like this are for. Unlike some fans, I don't treat the bands' leaders as gods who can do no wrong. If they do positive things that help them entertain people and create good music, then the things I discuss regarding those people will probably sound "positive". If they are getting wasted and making stupid decisions, I talk about that too... and that is what you are labelling "negative". But guess what? Michael Jackson has fans who worship him, and if anyone talks about the things he has done - his fans call it "negative". That is exactly what the current exchange between you and I is all about. I bring up things that Eddie is currently doing, and you call it negative.

Bottom line is, I treat Eddie Van Halen like an equal human being and don't do anything to cover up his actions, and others treat him as a god who can do no wrong. Those two camps will always see things differently. Thanks for lobbing the tennis ball back and forth. One of us will eventually win (or at least we will think that we did). If not, we will at least rack up our post counts. First one to 25,000 wins their own forum on a free forum hosting company where they can force everyone to believe the way they do.

Thats not the bottom line. The bottom line is that Eddie Van Halen wants his son in the band so they can tour together and thats what makes him happy and no one can make him put MA back in the band.

Now go back to your Eddie Van Halen photoshop projects that you love to do.