PLEASE RETIRE!

[Escape Artist]

Neal, Jon, Deen & Ross:

Please put this old, dying, stinking corpse to rest. You have desicrated the name and the image of a once brilliant American rock band.
If all you want is money than for god's sake change the name and tour as JRNY2 or something similar to fit the tribute band you have become.

The Journey is over, let it go.

RIP Journey

[Clasicrockldy]

Well said! I have been saying as well that Journey should retire.

[Rick]

Or call SP. I heard they haven't even contacted him. How many ways can you spell stupid?

[Escape Artist]

Or call SP. I heard they haven't even contacted him. How many ways can you spell stupid?

Neal probably can't spell it at all... that is one of the problems.
Hell of a musician but...

[Journey/Survivor]

I don't get the point of these topics. If you don't like what the band is doing then just don't buy their albums or go to their shows! If they want to contiue on that's their right and their business. If you don't want them to get any of your money then don't spend it on them. Plain and simple.

There are still tons of us, yes tons of us, who want the band to continue on!

Did Journey ask Deano to cause all this trouble with the whole tape-gate shit? Not to my knowledge.

I'll admit that it was classless the way in which they dumped JSS, they should have had the guts and decency to tell him face to face. But it was their right to replace him if they felt it was in the bands best interest. And it would appear that they must have felt that way or else they wouldn't have done it.

The outrage over the JSS thing pretty much only exists on here and maybe a JSS website.

They haven't really damaged the bands name in the way that so many people on this site like to make it out to be!

All of the retire demands or requests are pretty pointless!

I'm not trying to piss any of you off, honestly! But what I've said here is the truth.

[styxman]

I don't get the point of these topics. If you don't like what the band is doing then just don't buy their albums or go to their shows! If they want to contiue on that's their right and their business. If you don't want them to get any of your money then don't spend it on them. Plain and simple.

There are still tons of us, yes tons of us, who want the band to continue on!

Did Journey ask Deano to cause all this trouble with the whole tape-gate shit? Not to my knowledge.

I'll admit that it was classless the way in which they dumped JSS, they should have had the guts and decency to tell him face to face. But it was their right to replace him if they felt it was in the bands best interest. And it would appear that they must have felt that way or else they wouldn't have done it.

The outrage over the JSS thing pretty much only exists on here and maybe a JSS website.

They haven't really damaged the bands name in the way that so many people on this site like to make it out to be!

All of the retire demands or requests are pretty pointless!

I'm not trying to piss any of you off, honestly! But what I've said here is the truth.

I seem to be agreeing a lot more than disagreeing here lately and you're not pissing me off in anyway. I can't see retirement as an option and I'm sure the band themselves have no inclination to retire because as you quite rightly say, their public image isn't damaged at all. I'd bet a dollar that a small majority of concert goers will actually think Arnel is Perry, that's how stupid the whole situation is.

However on saying that, MR as a forum is spreading to a wider audience and if this continues forums like this can have an impact but at this precise moment in time, NO MR doesn't reflect the other 95% of paying fans. Do bands come on here and read, sure they do but I'm sure little gets taken in.....Journey will do what Journey need to do and to think we as forum posters have a part in what the band do is....well a little lame.

Should they retire...NO, as while they're still about there's always that slim chance that you know who might, just might come back

[Perry86fan]

I don't get the point of these topics. If you don't like what the band is doing then just don't buy their albums or go to their shows! If they want to contiue on that's their right and their business. If you don't want them to get any of your money then don't spend it on them. Plain and simple.

There are still tons of us, yes tons of us, who want the band to continue on!

Did Journey ask Deano to cause all this trouble with the whole tape-gate shit? Not to my knowledge.

I'll admit that it was classless the way in which they dumped JSS, they should have had the guts and decency to tell him face to face. But it was their right to replace him if they felt it was in the bands best interest. And it would appear that they must have felt that way or else they wouldn't have done it.

The outrage over the JSS thing pretty much only exists on here and maybe a JSS website.

They haven't really damaged the bands name in the way that so many people on this site like to make it out to be!

All of the retire demands or requests are pretty pointless!

I'm not trying to piss any of you off, honestly! But what I've said here is the truth.

Deano did what he felt was right Thank You Deano for leting us all know what was going on. Yes they have damaged the name so i say put the name to rest.And start over with a new name.But really i could care less.And Mr P will NOT be coming back.

[styxman]

Yes they have damaged the name so i say put the name to rest.And start over with a new name.

Do me a favour, over the weekend ask 30 or so 40-50yr olds what they think of Journey...and their reply will be Damn Good group, hardly any fucker out there knows what's going on..period.

[Indyjoe]

The outrage over the JSS thing pretty much only exists on here and maybe a JSS website.

Until all the people that went to see Journey last year see the new guy and ask "what happened to the singer they had?"

~Wendy

[journeyrock]

Or call SP. I heard they haven't even contacted him. How many ways can you spell stupid?

Neal probably can't spell it at all... that is one of the problems.
Hell of a musician but...

Sense of humor, this board has. I love it.

And Why haven't they contacted SP, I wonder, if that is true. At least let him say NO for sure, don't assume. And as it turns out, it doesn't seem that Friga is any smarter than Neal. That's disappointing, I always thought he had more sense. But I guess Herbie had him figured out from Day 1 too.

[NealIsGod]

Yes they have damaged the name so i say put the name to rest.And start over with a new name.

Do me a favour, over the weekend ask 30 or so 40-50yr olds what they think of Journey...and their reply will be Damn Good group, hardly any fucker out there knows what's going on..period.

Actually, you'd probably get a lot of, "Yeah, they were a good group. Whatever happened to them?"

[ScarabGator]

outrageous statement.

[styxman]

outrageous statement.

That's a tough one Scarab...hang on I'm nearly there, just can't read those signals coming from between the ears......nope signal's too weak. I'll guess it was Ricks......How many times can you spell stupid

[ScarabGator]

This is just a crazy statement! You didnt hear Foreigner, Styx or Van Halen fans saying this when their singers left. Why should Journey retire? If they still wanna play the music then why not? Its part theirs so go for it. The crowds WILL still come out to see them, granted you may not be there, but for every 1 naysayer there are at least 1000 ready to buy a ticket.

[SF-Dano]

This is just a crazy statement! You didnt hear Foreigner, Styx or Van Halen fans saying this when their singers left. Why should Journey retire? If they still wanna play the music then why not? Its part theirs so go for it. The crowds WILL still come out to see them, granted you may not be there, but for every 1 naysayer there are at least 1000 ready to buy a ticket.

The typical loon answer would be. "Steve Perry meant more to Journey than any of the singers in the other bands you mentioned. He brought Journey all their success. Steve Perry is Journey. No one would have ever known the band Journey if Steve Perry wasn't brought in as the singer. That is why they should retire the name."

Are there some valid points there? Arguably yes. But IMO, I agree with you. It is a band of 5 individuals, and the founding/senior members can run it how the deem to.

[Journey69]

But for the love of god,Flaming the band is getting old..Everything anyone has written about what happened with Perry,JSS and Arnel is all speculation..I loved the band with Perry..Didn't really care for ROR or TBF..I mean come on..SP is like 56 yrs old..He started getting soft..All ballads..I don't want him back..He ruined the band..Seriously,the band should have went from Frontiers right to Arrival..Skipped ROR and TBF..If Perry joined the band,we would get another TBF..I want Arrival,Escape,Frontiers,Infinity,Evolution..Hell I even liked Red 13 and Generations..At least they had some Journey energy.I love SP's voice,best ever..When he did Departure,Infinity,Evolution,Escape..After that,his voice was getting raspier..You think SP can hit all those notes on Something to hide,Winds of March,and my personal favorite song,Sweet and Simple..Hell no! JSS on the other hand..How do you people know what really went down? Do you know what happened with Sammy and Van Halen...NO! How do we know that JSS's manager didn't get in the picture or he demanded something outrageous..Oh that's right,its all Neal and Jon's fault..If you want to bring back Perry,hell ,why not bring back ansley dunbar and gregg rollie? then you WOULD have Journey back! Ive been a Journey fan since I was 8..and I'm almost 40..Journey is what even got me to listen to rock music in the 1st place..I have every album..all of them,not just SP's..I loved what SA brought to the table,Arrival is one of my fave's..I love the energy and it was ,what ROR should have been! SP doesn't want to sing like that anymore,its all ballads..If you don't believe me,listen to TBF..don't get me wrong I liked TBF,but way too soft..I mean the hardest songs are tame the lion and one more..c'mon! Give the new guy his shot..you never know..Have an open mind don't be hater's..If they just tour with him and no new music,yes I would be really disappointed..At least mix in some new stuff..

[Journey69]

I bolded it cause I'm pissed..LOL I'm new,take it easy on me.. Been reading for 2 weeks and this is my 1st post.. So I wanted to make it good..

[ohsherrie]

Yes they have damaged the name so i say put the name to rest.And start over with a new name.

Do me a favour, over the weekend ask 30 or so 40-50yr olds what they think of Journey...and their reply will be Damn Good group, hardly any fucker out there knows what's going on..period.

Actually, you'd probably get a lot of, "Yeah, they were a good group. Whatever happened to them?"

Exactly.

For the most part Journey has been off the radar for 10 years except for people who happened to be in the vicinity of the fair or casino where they were playing and the internet fanbase who were the ones that travelled to follow and support them.

Now they've not only lost the internet Perry fans that came back for JSS again, they've also lost most of the Augeri fans that hung out at BT. As for the fans that bought tickets for the fairs and casinos in their neighborhoods, those being as some have said 95% of their ticket buying audience, how many repeat performances do you really think those people are going to be interested in? They heard the name of the show advertised on the radio or saw it on a poster and think 'Hey I remember them, didn't the sing that song......(whichever one comes to mind)' and they go see them. Well, now they've been there done that. There hasn't been any new music that they would have heard to make them want to go back, so how many times are they going to buy those tickets? It's only a portion of the internet fanbase that is interested in hearing just whoever is singing sing the same damned songs over and over again.

For their next tour there may be some who attended the shows last year with Jeff who will buy tickets again because they don't know Jeff is gone. They will more than likely be just like all of those who bought tickets from 1998 thru 2000 not knowing that Steve Perry was gone. Some of them may come back again, but the biggest share of them won't when they find out it's not the band they wanted to see afterall.

[journeyrock]

This is just a crazy statement! You didnt hear Foreigner, Styx or Van Halen fans saying this when their singers left. Why should Journey retire? If they still wanna play the music then why not? Its part theirs so go for it. The crowds WILL still come out to see them, granted you may not be there, but for every 1 naysayer there are at least 1000 ready to buy a ticket.

The typical loon answer would be. "Steve Perry meant more to Journey than any of the singers in the other bands you mentioned. He brought Journey all their success. Steve Perry is Journey. No one would have ever known the band Journey if Steve Perry wasn't brought in as the singer. That is why they should retire the name."

Are there some valid points there? Arguably yes. But IMO, I agree with you. It is a band of 5 individuals, and the founding/senior members can run it how the deem to.

Well, I'm a loon and yes, that would be the typical answer and true by the way. However, having said that, I don't necessarily say they should have retired the name on that score. There have been other rock and roll bands that have lost singers that has been a focal point for them. They have gone on. Van Halen is a perfect example with David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar. But they didn't try to be an impersonation of their former self.

Journey should retire the name because of the poor way in which the "founding/senior" members have been managing it since Perry left, the way they have treated the singers that followed and their insistence to become a cover band. There are lots of cover bands out there already that do a good job impersonating Perry, they don't need to do it. They could have really come back and given the band a good name had they gone forward with JSS. They could have incorporated new music with the classics. (And I'm a loon). That's what Def Leppard has done. (nope, I'm not a Leppard fan) There has to be a point of no return.

[Rick]

But for the love of god,Flaming the band is getting old..Everything anyone has written about what happened with Perry,JSS and Arnel is all speculation..I loved the band with Perry..Didn't really care for ROR or TBF..I mean come on..SP is like 56 yrs old..He started getting soft..All ballads..I don't want him back..He ruined the band..Seriously,the band should have went from Frontiers right to Arrival..Skipped ROR and TBF..If Perry joined the band,we would get another TBF..I want Arrival,Escape,Frontiers,Infinity,Evolution..Hell I even liked Red 13 and Generations..At least they had some Journey energy.I love SP's voice,best ever..When he did Departure,Infinity,Evolution,Escape..After that,his voice was getting raspier..You think SP can hit all those notes on Something to hide,Winds of March,and my personal favorite song,Sweet and Simple..Hell no! JSS on the other hand..How do you people know what really went down? Do you know what happened with Sammy and Van Halen...NO! How do we know that JSS's manager didn't get in the picture or he demanded something outrageous..Oh that's right,its all Neal and Jon's fault..If you want to bring back Perry,hell ,why not bring back ansley dunbar and gregg rollie? then you WOULD have Journey back! Ive been a Journey fan since I was 8..and I'm almost 40..Journey is what even got me to listen to rock music in the 1st place..I have every album..all of them,not just SP's..I loved what SA brought to the table,Arrival is one of my fave's..I love the energy and it was ,what ROR should have been! SP doesn't want to sing like that anymore,its all ballads..If you don't believe me,listen to TBF..don't get me wrong I liked TBF,but way too soft..I mean the hardest songs are tame the lion and one more..c'mon! Give the new guy his shot..you never know..Have an open mind don't be hater's..If they just tour with him and no new music,yes I would be really disappointed..At least mix in some new stuff..

Because Jeff posts here and said otherwise.

[Journey69]

What did he say?

[journeyrock]

But for the love of god,Flaming the band is getting old..Everything anyone has written about what happened with Perry,JSS and Arnel is all speculation..I loved the band with Perry..Didn't really care for ROR or TBF..I mean come on..SP is like 56 yrs old..He started getting soft..All ballads..I don't want him back..He ruined the band..Seriously,the band should have went from Frontiers right to Arrival..Skipped ROR and TBF..If Perry joined the band,we would get another TBF..I want Arrival,Escape,Frontiers,Infinity,Evolution..Hell I even liked Red 13 and Generations..At least they had some Journey energy.I love SP's voice,best ever..When he did Departure,Infinity,Evolution,Escape..After that,his voice was getting raspier..You think SP can hit all those notes on Something to hide,Winds of March,and my personal favorite song,Sweet and Simple..Hell no! JSS on the other hand..How do you people know what really went down? Do you know what happened with Sammy and Van Halen...NO! How do we know that JSS's manager didn't get in the picture or he demanded something outrageous..Oh that's right,its all Neal and Jon's fault..If you want to bring back Perry,hell ,why not bring back ansley dunbar and gregg rollie? then you WOULD have Journey back! Ive been a Journey fan since I was 8..and I'm almost 40..Journey is what even got me to listen to rock music in the 1st place..I have every album..all of them,not just SP's..I loved what SA brought to the table,Arrival is one of my fave's..I love the energy and it was ,what ROR should have been! SP doesn't want to sing like that anymore,its all ballads..If you don't believe me,listen to TBF..don't get me wrong I liked TBF,but way too soft..I mean the hardest songs are tame the lion and one more..c'mon! Give the new guy his shot..you never know..Have an open mind don't be hater's..If they just tour with him and no new music,yes I would be really disappointed..At least mix in some new stuff..

Because Jeff posts here and said otherwise.

That was exactly my thoughts to this post.

[Journey69]

They need someone that can bring the voice to the table..I like JSS just as much as anyone..I have their soul circus cd..It might have worked,but they needed someone who could sing more like SP..Maybe they can break out some older songs that Augeri couldn't sing..I have an open mind..I will wait and see..They haven't done anything that has sucked IMO..If anything they did came close to sucking,it would be ROR and TBF..and I still liked those..

[Rick]

What did he say?

Jeff was released and not even told about it. He found out about it by a 3rd party in Europe while he was doing his Talisman tour. Dude walks up, slaps him on the back and said sorry to hear about the Journey gig. Jeff was like... That's what I garnered from what I've read here.

[journeyrock]

Here's one thing Jeff said.... Pretty tacky way to do it, don't ya think?



Post from JSS in the blog thread:

Comforting to know I was being ousted before that gig, I knew about them calling Chalfant already but it's amazing how cool & collect they remained all the while backstage & during the gig although Oscars shouldn't be handed out just yet....I felt there was something in the air!

[Perrydise]

But for the love of god,Flaming the band is getting old..Everything anyone has written about what happened with Perry,JSS and Arnel is all speculation..I loved the band with Perry..Didn't really care for ROR or TBF..I mean come on..SP is like 56 yrs old..He started getting soft..All ballads..I don't want him back..He ruined the band..Seriously,the band should have went from Frontiers right to Arrival..Skipped ROR and TBF..If Perry joined the band,we would get another TBF..I want Arrival,Escape,Frontiers,Infinity,Evolution..Hell I even liked Red 13 and Generations..At least they had some Journey energy.I love SP's voice,best ever..When he did Departure,Infinity,Evolution,Escape..After that,his voice was getting raspier..You think SP can hit all those notes on Something to hide,Winds of March,and my personal favorite song,Sweet and Simple..Hell no! JSS on the other hand..How do you people know what really went down? Do you know what happened with Sammy and Van Halen...NO! How do we know that JSS's manager didn't get in the picture or he demanded something outrageous..Oh that's right,its all Neal and Jon's fault..If you want to bring back Perry,hell ,why not bring back ansley dunbar and gregg rollie? then you WOULD have Journey back! Ive been a Journey fan since I was 8..and I'm almost 40..Journey is what even got me to listen to rock music in the 1st place..I have every album..all of them,not just SP's..I loved what SA brought to the table,Arrival is one of my fave's..I love the energy and it was ,what ROR should have been! SP doesn't want to sing like that anymore,its all ballads..If you don't believe me,listen to TBF..don't get me wrong I liked TBF,but way too soft..I mean the hardest songs are tame the lion and one more..c'mon! Give the new guy his shot..you never know..Have an open mind don't be hater's..If they just tour with him and no new music,yes I would be really disappointed..At least mix in some new stuff..

For the record,

1. Perry is 58 and will be 59 in January.
2. With Dunbar and Rollie IN the group, the band didnt succeed until Perry joined.
3. Perhaps and I say perhaps the music that people remember, that they loved was created by a brotherhood that didnt ever exist. The vocals done by one man, and being all individuals, no one can replace another. WITH THAT BEING SAID, the only person who ever came close with a stage presence, with a passion close to Perry's was JSS. JSS made me turn my head and I am probably classified as a die hard Perry fan. (one who is reasonable and has common sense.)

[Matthew]

Arrival is one of my fave's..I love the energy and it was ,what ROR should have been! SP doesn't want to sing like that anymore,its all ballads..If you don't believe me,listen to TBF..don't get me wrong I liked TBF,but way too soft..I mean the hardest songs are tame the lion and one more..c'mon!

Where were the hard songs on Arrival? Did I miss them? All I remember is hearing about seven ballads and a couple of mid-tempo shufflers and that's about it.....? I Can See It In Your Eyes from TBF is heavier than any of those wet lettuce songs....

[AR]

Arrival is one of my fave's..I love the energy and it was ,what ROR should have been! SP doesn't want to sing like that anymore,its all ballads..If you don't believe me,listen to TBF..don't get me wrong I liked TBF,but way too soft..I mean the hardest songs are tame the lion and one more..c'mon!

Where were the hard songs on Arrival? Did I miss them? All I remember is hearing about seven ballads and a couple of mid-tempo shufflers and that's about it.....? I Can See It In Your Eyes from TBF is heavier than any of those wet lettuce songs....

Higher Place and To Be Alive Again

I love the title of this thread BTW. Andrew, T-Bone, any chance of making this a permanent sticky at the top?

[Matthew]

This is just a crazy statement! You didnt hear Foreigner, Styx or Van Halen fans saying this when their singers left. Why should Journey retire? If they still wanna play the music then why not? Its part theirs so go for it. The crowds WILL still come out to see them, granted you may not be there, but for every 1 naysayer there are at least 1000 ready to buy a ticket.

The typical loon answer would be. "Steve Perry meant more to Journey than any of the singers in the other bands you mentioned. He brought Journey all their success. Steve Perry is Journey. No one would have ever known the band Journey if Steve Perry wasn't brought in as the singer. That is why they should retire the name."

Are there some valid points there? Arguably yes. But IMO, I agree with you. It is a band of 5 individuals, and the founding/senior members can run it how the deem to.

It's more than just a valid point, SF. It's a stone cold historical fact. Except the bit about retiring. That's just opinion.

I've slowly changed my tune about the retirement issue. For years I was adamant that Journey should pack it in - until JSS joined the band and I saw them live and...for the very first time I saw the point of a post-Perry line-up. I haven't let go of that even though JSS has left and I'm keeping an open mind for now....

Plus I'm a fan - and always will be - so when I see Journey come up on Ticketmaster and I just can't help myself. I buy the ticket. Sad but true.

[Matthew]

Higher Place and To Be Alive Again

Fair enough, AR. But that's about it, isn't it?

I actually think TBF and Arrival are remarkably similar in many ways - especially in terms of the tempo of the songs. Almost the same number of ballads, same mid-tempos, same faster paced songs. This idea that Arrival saw Journey 'rocking' for the first time since Frontiers is another of those myths that just won't go away...