Jeremey, your new employee number is...

by **Arkansas** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:19 am

Always thought it to be very entertaining too see a thread get driven right into the ditch...(although it was already a little off the shoulder from the start.) And this one even had a fatality. Nice work guys. Fun to watch.

I mean it with all seriousness. I am still laughing at the visual.

later~

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:02 am

Jeremey wrote:
Journey69 wrote:Lou Gramm did the same thing ,albeit with greater success..But both of them screw both of their bands up by doing that..I mean,that was probably a slap in the face by the bands like they felt they weren't good enough or something..That could have totally started the rift..

How do you figure Lou Gramm had greater solo success than Steve Perry?

Actually Street Talk was pretty good. I don't know,I really liked Lou's stuff alot. I liked his 2nd solo album better than Perry's 2nd..I love both of their voices but Perry's is the best..Jeremey,I was just introduced to your you tube videos's..OMG are you good! My brother is very skeptical,and I had him listen to you without seeing you and he was like,I never thought in my lifetime would I hear someone that sounded so much like SP..He was floored..I wish you guys toured in MN...

Your also a class act! Nice to see you post,and JSS,it means something to us fans and we appreciate it.Did you actually have an audition with Journey? I read something about it,but it was brief..It sounds like they are just testing the waters with people..Could your voice hold up in concert with them,that's gotta be pretty tough on the voice box.. Your new fan!

by **conversationpc** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:42 am

ScarabGator wrote:Looks to me like Journey69's point was proven. We may love the Perry stuff more but Gramm had more top40's. Midnight Blue was a great song.

Gramm's vocal on that song was great. Very soulful. I always thought he was more soulful than he was given credit for.

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:51 am

In my opinion,Foreigner's Agent Provocatuer is kind of the equivilent to Journey's Escape album..Those albums put those bands on the map big time..And AP has as much soul as any Journey album.Lou Gramms's voice is incredible..The common denominator is that these lead singers feel the need to do their own stuff..Why? Why ruin something good..It just put a rift between these singers and their band.. Journey is still my fave tho..

by **yak** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:55 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:Perry made those comments about never feeling like he was part of the band. But as far back as the early 80's he chose to travel to and from shows separtely from the rest of the band. So you definitely have to wonder how much of it was all in his head?

Plus, if he didn't feel like part of the band then why did he write the line "we believed in music, brothers till the end?"

Perry is himself a loon.

Great points you have made.

Especially the loon part :lol:

I'll bet you'll never have your questions answered though.

by **Dream After Dream** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:43 am

My .02 worth
Perry had every right to make his own solo lp. Others in the band had done it. Why not. This way he got to do exactly what he wanted, and not have to run it by anyone. It certainly sold more than any other Journey artist solo did. That certainly should show something.
The majority of any bands fans are fans of the voice of a band, not a guitar player, keyboardist, or even drummer for that matter. The majority love the sound of a band, and that is what drives them to be a fan. So that voice is something they are attached to.
With Journey thinking of getting a new singer the only reasonable choice was to have someone who sounded like they did in the most popular days.
They had that opportunity and blew it. What 2 times now. It's done. let it go and mourn with the rest of us.
No way are the fans of ole gonna follow a foreign singer. That someone can't even speak the language is a joke. A VERY SAD JOKE

by **ScarabGator** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:19 am

Dream After Dream wrote:My .02 worth
Perry had every right to make his own solo lp. Others in the band had done it. Why not. This way he got to do exactly what he wanted, and not have to run it by anyone. It certainly sold more than any other Journey artist solo did. That certainly should show something.
The majority of any bands fans are fans of the voice of a band, not a guitar player, keyboardist, or even drummer for that matter. The majority love the sound of a band, and that is what drives them to be a fan. So that voice is something they are attached to.
With Journey thinking of getting a new singer the only reasonable choice was to have someone who sounded like they did in the most popular days.
They had that opportunity and blew it. What 2 times now. It's done. let it go and mourn with the rest of us.
No way are the fans of ole gonna follow a foreign singer. That someone can't even speak the language is a joke. A VERY SAD JOKE

I may be wrong but didnt Neal do the whole Schon and Hammer thing after Street Talk and because of Street Talk? Who else did anything solo?

by **NealIsGod** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:23 am

ScarabGator wrote:
Dream After Dream wrote:My .02 worth
Perry had every right to make his own solo lp. Others in the band had done it. Why not. This way he got to do exactly what he wanted, and not have to run it by anyone. It certainly sold more than any other Journey artist solo did. That certainly should show something.
The majority of any bands fans are fans of the voice of a band, not a guitar player, keyboardist, or even drummer for that matter. The majority love the sound of a band, and that is what drives them to be a fan. So that voice is something they are attached to.
With Journey thinking of getting a new singer the only reasonable choice was to have someone who sounded like they did in the most popular days.
They had that opportunity and blew it. What 2 times now. It's done. let it go and mourn with the rest of us.
No way are the fans of ole gonna follow a foreign singer. That someone can't even speak the language is a joke. A VERY SAD JOKE

I may be wrong but didnt Neal do the whole Schon and Hammer thing after Street Talk and because of Street Talk? Who else did anything solo?

No, S&H came first.

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:24 am

They all did solo stuff..Neal did HSAS before frontiers and I think right after escape..I have that one..Its damn good..Love Sammy! Wish Neal and Jon would get with Sammy and Mike and do something..

by **NealIsGod** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:25 am

Journey69 wrote:They all did solo stuff..Neal did HSAS before frontiers and I think right after escape..I have that one..Its damn good..Love Sammy! Wish Neal and Jon would get with Sammy and Mike and do something..

They can leave Jon out of it.

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:28 am

Why too many ballads? too soft?

by **NealIsGod** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:32 am

Journey69 wrote:Why too many ballads? too soft?

Yeah.

by AR » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:34 am

I saw Foreigner this week at Loyola College in Baltimore. Although I am a big fan of Lou Gramm, I must admit the show was fantastic. Kelly Hansen did a terrific job.

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:40 am

I wish they would come out with some new music though.. I remember when they came out with Mr Moonlight..it was the 1st cd I threw into the cd player in my Corvette Convertible the day I bought it..Everytime I hear it now I remember that day like it was yesterday! sigh

by **journeyrock** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:19 am

NealIsGod wrote:
ScarabGator wrote:
Dream After Dream wrote:My .02 worth
Perry had every right to make his own solo lp. Others in the band had done it. Why not. This way he got to do exactly what he wanted, and not have to run it by anyone. It certainly sold more than any other Journey artist solo did. That certainly should show something.
The majority of any bands fans are fans of the voice of a band, not a guitar player, keyboardist, or even drummer for that matter. The majority love the sound of a band, and that is what drives them to be a fan. So that voice is something they are attached to.
With Journey thinking of getting a new singer the only reasonable choice was to have someone who sounded like they did in the most popular days.
They had that opportunity and blew it. What 2 times now. It's done. let it go and mourn with the rest of us.
No way are the fans of ole gonna follow a foreign singer. That someone can't even speak the language is a joke. A VERY SAD JOKE

I may be wrong but didnt Neal do the whole Schon and Hammer thing after Street Talk and because of Street Talk? Who else did anything solo?

No, S&H came first.

Yes, it did, that's why Perry did Street Talk

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:32 am

I doubt that..He was going to do it anyhow.. It wasn't like HSAS was a big production..It was more like a red13 type of thing..low production value..SP went all out..I think the solo crap started a fued that never ended..The respect level was gone between them..hence the 10 yr hiatus..Then they decided to give it one more try and Perry just didn't have his heart in it anymore..He did't want to tour anymore..

by **journeyrock** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:36 am

Journey69 wrote:I doubt that..He was going to do it anyhow.. It wasn't like HSAS was a big production..It was more like a red13 type of thing..low production value..SP went all out..I think the solo crap started a fued that never ended..The respect level was gone between them..hence the 10 yr hiatus..Then they decided to give it one more try and Perry just didn't have his heart in it anymore..He did't want to tour anymore..

I think you're right on this score. I remember hearing or reading that when Neal did the solo album, Perry begged him not to do it, and so when he went ahead and did it anyway, Perry said "If he can do it, then so can I".

by **journeyrock** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:39 am

Journey69 wrote:I doubt that..He was going to do it anyhow.. It wasn't like HSAS was a big production..It was more like a red13 type of thing..low production value..SP went all out..I think the solo crap started a fued that never ended..The respect level was gone between them..hence the 10 yr hiatus..Then they decided to give it one more try and Perry just didn't have his heart in it anymore..He did't want to tour anymore..

And.....the reason Perry went all out is Perry knew what he was doing and Fro doesn't have a clue. IMHO

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:41 am

Listen,Perry is one of the most talented vocalist's most of us has ever heard..Doesn't mean I have to respect him,doesn't mean I don't like him.. I respect people that remember where they came from..I'm not a huge Prince fan,but I respect the guy for remembering where he came from..Paisley park is 20 mins from my house..Lots of times he started his tour here and ended it here..After the concert he would go to a small bar in downtown MPLS and get up on stage and play some more ,mingle with the crowd..One of my friends played basketball with the guy and said he is the coolest guy ever..They talked about chicks,his ex g'fs all that stuff..Think Perry would do that..bah!

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:45 am

journeyrock wrote:
Journey69 wrote:I doubt that..He was going to do it anyhow.. It wasn't like HSAS was a big production..It was more like a red13 type of thing..low production value..SP went all out..I think the solo crap started a fued that never ended..The respect level was gone between them..hence the 10 yr hiatus..Then they decided to give it one more try and Perry just didn't have his heart in it anymore..He did't want to tour anymore..
And.....the reason Perry went all out is Perry knew what he was doing and Fro doesn't have a clue. IMHO

I doubt that.. its more like a quick record for fun(hsas) and someone being a little biatch(perry) and saying I'm gonna one up ya..and the rift begins..

by **journeyrock** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:51 am

Journey69 wrote:Listen,Perry is one of the most talented vocalist's most of us has ever heard..Doesn't mean I have to respect him,doesn't mean I don't like him.. I respect people that remember where they came from..I'm not a huge Prince fan,but I respect the guy for remembering where he came from..Paisley park is 20 mins from my house..Lots of times he started his tour here and ended it here..After the concert he would go to a small bar in downtown MPLS and get up on stage and play some more ,mingle with the crowd..One of my friends played basketball with the guy and said he is the coolest guy ever..They talked about chicks,his ex g'fs all that stuff..Think Perry would do that..bah!

I understand what you are saying.

I will say that Perry beats to his own drum, and I don't know what he would do, although I have never heard from anyone who has met him in the past 10 years say that he is anything but the nicest, most kind person.

If I remember correctly, Perry was the ONLY one of the Journey members who spoke at the HWOF ceremony that addressed the fans, and gave credit where credit was due, not only to the fans, but to Herbie and to the road crew.

And yes, I'm a loon, so get me some sandalwood soap. :lol:

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:55 am

Bah,,no sandalwood soap needed..Like I said,I'm sure he's a great guy..They just had a rift or misunderstanding in the group,someone took it to the next level and it all history..Too bad! I heard Perry in an interview,and he does sound like a great guy..But none of us live with the guy either..I had a girlfriend once who was nice as pie in public and just a major biotch at home...No one saw that side..needless to say she is history too! cheers!

by **yak** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:06 am

journeyrock wrote:And yes, I'm a loon, so get me some sandalwood soap.

Here you go.........

by **Journey69** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:07 am

LOL that's funny stuff!

by **journeyrock** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:11 am

yak wrote:
journeyrock wrote:And yes, I'm a loon, so get me some sandalwood soap.

Here you go.........

Awwww, thanks Yak, for thinkin of me. :lol:

by **Dream After Dream** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:26 am

Steve Smith had been doing Studio work for many artist.
Jon Cain did a lot of solo stuff not sure when that started however.
I remember the comment that was mentioned where Perry did not want Neal to do HSAS but he did it and so Perry did Street Talk. Then they got back together and did a Journey lp. Remeber that old video where Perry comes off the bar stool singing and goes back stage where Journey is standing. They drink champagne and toast to a new Journey cd. Can't remember which song that was. God getting old just sucks LOL

by tj » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:53 am

Dream After Dream wrote:Steve Smith had been doing Studio work for many artist.
Jon Cain did a lot of solo stuff not sure when that started however.
I remember the comment that was mentioned where Perry did not want Neal to do HSAS but he did it and so Perry did Street Talk. Then they got back together and did a Journey lp. Remeber that old video where Perry comes off the bar stool singing and goes back stage where Journey is standing. They drink champagne and toast to a new Journey cd. Can't remember which song that was. God getting old just sucks LOL

I think the video was for Foolish Heart off of Street Talk. At the end, I seem to recall them wishing everybody a Merry Christmas.

by **Journey/Survivor** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:08 am

When Neal did the Schon & Hammer CD's he recorded them in about 2 weeks time, so he wasn't taking away much time from Journey. HSAS also was done very quickly because it was recorded live at a very small handfull of shows.

Actually, to correct an above post, HSAS came after Frontiers.

Funny thing is that Perry always stressed how important he felt it was that NONE of the band members ever make a solo album, but after Schon did the Schon & Hammer thing it was Steve that was the first one to take up a long period of time recording a solo album.

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:12 am

NealIsGod wrote:They can leave Jon out of it.

this might be the first almost jab at a band member ive ever seen you post.. ..

i suppose JonIsGod will
never see the light of day...

by **yak** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:42 am

journeyrock wrote:Awwww, thanks Yak, for thinkin of me.

Don't use it all in one night...and don't forget to share.

MR

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