Wheels Of Fyre wrote:
And do you still believe in Santa Claus...?
I believe you will one day have to answer for your childish comments!
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Wheels Of Fyre wrote:
And do you still believe in Santa Claus...?
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:Blue Radio Girl wrote:In studying all this I, personally, found there to be an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of Biblical story as a solid fact.
Name ONE piece of "evidence".
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:Indyjoe wrote:I meant with regard to what to believe... the Truth = God's Word. I do believe that the story of Adam and Eve is literal, btw.
So if it is a literal story then why didn't Adam and Eve die when they ate of the tree...?
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:So if it is a literal story then why didn't Adam and Eve die when they ate of the tree...?
Blue Radio Girl wrote:Indyjoe wrote:I took a brief 16 week class in Koine Greek (1 time a week) offered from a seminary professor - l loved it, but need to dig much deeper. Another class is being offered that is First Year Greek which will be much more difficult. Yikes! That brief one was one of the hardest classes I have ever had! I am not so good at languages.
~Wendy
The only problem with that is the First Year Greek sometimes isn't the Koine Greek, which will prove basically useless in translating the original books. Koine was the 'vulgar' or 'slang' Greek used at the time, also in relation to the oral traditions. If you do decide to take the class though and need any help, I'd be glad to assist.
One of my concentrations was biblical languages. Boring to some, but fun for me.
Blue Radio Girl wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:So if it is a literal story then why didn't Adam and Eve die when they ate of the tree...?
If you take the story for the purposes in which it was meant (to tell a story and give a lesson, since it is from the Torah) then they did die, as in their life as it was promised them was stripped away and they died of that life and were exiled into a new one. Death and birth and rebirth isn't always cut and dry. Open your mind to alternative explainations instead of trying to force your perception of inaccuracy on those who would think otherwise.
Blue Radio Girl wrote:Open your mind to alternative explainations instead of trying to force your perception of inaccuracy on those who would think otherwise.
Blue Radio Girl wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:Blue Radio Girl wrote:In studying all this I, personally, found there to be an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of Biblical story as a solid fact.
Name ONE piece of "evidence".
Re-read what I said, removing your harsh bias, understand my words, and then ask me again.
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:Blue Radio Girl wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:Blue Radio Girl wrote:In studying all this I, personally, found there to be an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of Biblical story as a solid fact.
Name ONE piece of "evidence".
Re-read what I said, removing your harsh bias, understand my words, and then ask me again.
Done.
So what's that one piece of evidence. You didn't name any! You just make a claim that you found a bunch of it.
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:So what's that one piece of evidence. You didn't name any! You just make a claim that you found a bunch of it.
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:Blue Radio Girl wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:So if it is a literal story then why didn't Adam and Eve die when they ate of the tree...?
If you take the story for the purposes in which it was meant (to tell a story and give a lesson, since it is from the Torah) then they did die, as in their life as it was promised them was stripped away and they died of that life and were exiled into a new one. Death and birth and rebirth isn't always cut and dry. Open your mind to alternative explainations instead of trying to force your perception of inaccuracy on those who would think otherwise.
No. God told them very directly: IN THAT DAY YOU SHALL DIE.
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:conversationpc wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:I believe that the Bible and the story of Jesus are wonderful however I don't believe that they're at all entirely historical nor accurate accounts of reality. To say that the resurrection truly happened based on the "evidence" of the Bible is purely a matter of BELIEF. One is free to believe whatever one wants however belief doesn't make something true.
I won't get into a debate on origins here but there is actual evidence of the resurrection if you care to look at it. Yes, in the end, it does require faith to put one's trust in Jesus, but it's not a blind kind of faith.
And do you still believe in Santa Claus...?
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:conversationpc wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:I believe that the Bible and the story of Jesus are wonderful however I don't believe that they're at all entirely historical nor accurate accounts of reality. To say that the resurrection truly happened based on the "evidence" of the Bible is purely a matter of BELIEF. One is free to believe whatever one wants however belief doesn't make something true.
I won't get into a debate on origins here but there is actual evidence of the resurrection if you care to look at it. Yes, in the end, it does require faith to put one's trust in Jesus, but it's not a blind kind of faith.
And do you still believe in Santa Claus...?
conversationpc wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:And do you still believe in Santa Claus...?
Santa Claus, the legend, was not a real person. Jesus is.
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:I think if you don't take time to consider the original language then you're missing out on a lot. One of the bricks in the foundation of my beliefs is what Jesus said to the Pharisees as they pressed him to answer when the kingdom of God would come. In Luke 17:21 he explains to them that it will NOT come with physical observation - that you won't be able to say, "It is here or it is there." Rather, the kingdom of God is within you.
Blue Radio Girl wrote:And Santa Claus himself had a basic realistic origin.
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:No. God told them very directly: IN THAT DAY YOU SHALL DIE.
conversationpc wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:No. God told them very directly: IN THAT DAY YOU SHALL DIE.
There are three lines of thought on this...
1 - God meant they would physically die immediately.
2 - God meant they would die in that day in the sense of "One day is as a thousand years with the Lord and a thousand years is as a day".
3 - God meant they would die spiritually.
If God actually meant #1, then it would follow that he is obviously a liar and the Bible might as well be tossed in the trash.
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:Blue Radio Girl wrote:Open your mind to alternative explainations instead of trying to force your perception of inaccuracy on those who would think otherwise.
Understanding the Bible has nothing to do with one's MIND. It has everything to do with the SPIRIT.
What did Jesus say? Those with ears to hear...
What ears was he talking about? The ones on your head? No. Your mind? No. He was talking about the ears of the spirit.
Look at my sig and what I've posted here so far. I would argue that I'm by far and away more "alternative" than you give me credit for!
Saint John wrote:"Religion" is complete bullshit. Whether it's a Muslim praying to Allah on his flying carpet or a Catholic praying in a church run by a pedophile, I can't think of a bigger waste of time. I went to a Catholic grammar school, high school and college. What a collossal waste of time spent in church. I would've been a much more productive human had I been tutoring a student that needed it, helping out at a homeless shelter or helping raise money for the handicapped. "Religions" have agendas...whether it be the collection box, a "holy war" or butt-fucking little boys. I have very little respect for people that need to gather together to feel good about themselves. Go out and be proactive. And any God that needs to be "worshipped" or prayed to is a narcississtic jack-off. Wake up and quit wasting your fucking time. People need actual help much more than God needs "prayers."
Moon Beam wrote:Saint John wrote:"Religion" is complete bullshit. Whether it's a Muslim praying to Allah on his flying carpet or a Catholic praying in a church run by a pedophile, I can't think of a bigger waste of time. I went to a Catholic grammar school, high school and college. What a collossal waste of time spent in church. I would've been a much more productive human had I been tutoring a student that needed it, helping out at a homeless shelter or helping raise money for the handicapped. "Religions" have agendas...whether it be the collection box, a "holy war" or butt-fucking little boys. I have very little respect for people that need to gather together to feel good about themselves. Go out and be proactive. And any God that needs to be "worshipped" or prayed to is a narcississtic jack-off. Wake up and quit wasting your fucking time. People need actual help much more than God needs "prayers."
I love how you bust the mood of things Saint John!
Indyjoe wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:Blue Radio Girl wrote:Wheels Of Fyre wrote:So if it is a literal story then why didn't Adam and Eve die when they ate of the tree...?
If you take the story for the purposes in which it was meant (to tell a story and give a lesson, since it is from the Torah) then they did die, as in their life as it was promised them was stripped away and they died of that life and were exiled into a new one. Death and birth and rebirth isn't always cut and dry. Open your mind to alternative explainations instead of trying to force your perception of inaccuracy on those who would think otherwise.
No. God told them very directly: IN THAT DAY YOU SHALL DIE.
What is the problem with the answers? They were kicked out of the garden, separated from God. Death, the process begun.
Saint John wrote:"Religion" is complete bullshit. Whether it's a Muslim praying to Allah on his flying carpet or a Catholic praying in a church run by a pedophile, I can't think of a bigger waste of time. I went to a Catholic grammar school, high school and college. What a collossal waste of time spent in church. I would've been a much more productive human had I been tutoring a student that needed it, helping out at a homeless shelter or helping raise money for the handicapped. "Religions" have agendas...whether it be the collection box, a "holy war" or butt-fucking little boys. I have very little respect for people that need to gather together to feel good about themselves. Go out and be proactive. And any God that needs to be "worshipped" or prayed to is a narcississtic jack-off. Wake up and quit wasting your fucking time. People need actual help much more than God needs "prayers."
Blue Radio Girl wrote:conversationpc wrote:lumped me in with all the hypocrites.
Everybody on the planet is a hypocrite in some way. It is hypocritical to even think one is not a hypocrite. Think about it.
conversationpc wrote:Blue Radio Girl wrote:conversationpc wrote:lumped me in with all the hypocrites.
Everybody on the planet is a hypocrite in some way. It is hypocritical to even think one is not a hypocrite. Think about it.
Agreed and I believe I've said as much on here before. But what I'm talking about are the holier-than-thou's that act all upset if they hear someone curse but behind closed doors, they treat their family, friends, or coworkers like crap. They are the people who act like a saint on Sunday and like the devil the rest of the week.
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