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[Rockindeano]

Would those idiots be the people who elected and re elected the worst president in history? Just curious.

He wasn't re-elected but why bother bringing up Jimmy Carter here?

Like I aid, I could easily rip new one here, but I am a changed guy.

Carter> Shrub

[bluejeangirl76]

Carter > Shrub

Totally.

The pres with the lowest IQ is also the one with the lowest approval rating ever... coincidence? Methinks not.

[RedWingFan]

Would those idiots be the people who elected and re elected the worst president in history? Just curious.

He wasn't re-elected but why bother bringing up Jimmy Carter here?

Like I aid, I could easily rip new one here, but I am a changed guy.

Carter> Shrub

Glad to hear it, but we still want your input here. Even if it is as ridiculous as "Carter>Shrub" Carter was a doormat. Er, IS a doormat! Iranians were laughing at him/us during the hostage crisis. Until Ronaldus Maximus was inaugurated.

[RedWingFan]

Carter > Shrub

Totally.

The pres with the lowest IQ is also the one with the lowest approval rating ever... coincidence? Methinks not.

Lowest IQ? Where'd you read this? Daily Kos? Bush had a higher GPA than Kerry or Gore. Just sayin'

[conversationpc]

The pres with the lowest IQ is also the one with the lowest approval rating ever... coincidence? Methinks not.

The lowest IQ bit is an urban legend and there is an article at Snopes.com about it...

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/presiq.htm

Bush rules (in comparison to Carter, anyway...)

[bluejeangirl76]

Carter > Shrub

Totally.

The pres with the lowest IQ is also the one with the lowest approval rating ever... coincidence? Methinks not.

Lowest IQ? Where'd you read this? Daily Kos? Bush had a higher GPA than Kerry or Gore. Just sayin'

I have read it in quite a few places actually and all of them have stated that the numbers listed are accurate within 5 points. Going from present day all the way back to Roosevelt, this is how they ranked from high to low. The highest estimated is Clinton. Lowest is... well... ya know. Do a search it and you'll find the same list in a lot of different places. I first saw it maybe 5 or 6 years ago and I've run across it a number of times since then.


182 William J. Clinton (D)
175 James E. Carter (D)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
091 George W. Bush (R)

[conversationpc]

I have read it in quite a few places actually and all of them have stated that the numbers listed are accurate within 5 points. Going from present day all the way back to Roosevelt, this is how they ranked from high to low. The highest estimated is Clinton. Lowest is... well... ya know. Do a search it and you'll find the same list in a lot of different places. I first saw it maybe 5 or 6 years ago and I've run across it a number of times since then.


182 William J. Clinton (D)
175 James E. Carter (D)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
091 George W. Bush (R)

It's been perpetuated from the same source and is a total fake. Just go to the Snopes link in my post above. It also discusses other falsehoods associated with this sham.

[RedWingFan]

Carter > Shrub

Totally.

The pres with the lowest IQ is also the one with the lowest approval rating ever... coincidence? Methinks not.

Lowest IQ? Where'd you read this? Daily Kos? Bush had a higher GPA than Kerry or Gore. Just sayin'

I have read it in quite a few places actually and all of them have stated that the numbers listed are accurate within 5 points. Going from present day all the way back to Roosevelt, this is how they ranked from high to low. The highest estimated is Clinton. Lowest is... well... ya know. Do a search it and you'll find the same list in a lot of different places. I first saw it maybe 5 or 6 years ago and I've run across it a number of times since then.


182 William J. Clinton (D)
175 James E. Carter (D)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
091 George W. Bush (R)

Unemployment now is at what 4.6%? Somewhere around there? It averaged about 7.5% during Carters term. When Carter took office in '76 inflation was at 6% when he was booted out in '80 it rose to 12%. During his last year in office, interest rates soared to 20% twice. Yeah we had it so good back then!

[bluejeangirl76]

It's been perpetuated from the same source and is a total fake. Just go to the Snopes link in my post above. It also discusses other falsehoods associated with this sham.

Fuck snopes. Those fuckers always come busting out and ruin arguments I'm trying to win or disproving emails I have already forwarded. But I have seen the IQ thing a lot. I also read in one place that Carter was the only one to ever release/share his actual IQ number which is said to be 176. *shrug* Dunno. I'm bored and have nothing to do til 5:00 except cause trouble. LOL!

[conversationpc]

But I have seen the IQ thing a lot.

Yeah, but the reason is it all originated from the same place. Those different places got it from someone who got it from the original source or a second hand source, etc.

[strangegrey]

Yes Amazing.

What's more amazing is that there's a handful of deft idiots in this country that just wont get it.

Would those idiots be the people who elected and re elected the worst president in history? Just curious.

Because of recent events, my anger and demeanor is toned down quite a bit, but as I was reading these comments, my blood pressure hit 180 I am sure.

Carry on.

Worst president in history has been worm food for longer than any of have been alive.
But I see where you're going with this, and I'm not totally on board here....nor an I totally in disagreement either. Bush has done alot of damage...but my comments weren't specific to Bush.

First off Dean, it wasn't my intention to set off your bloodpressure, especially given recent events. I suspect if you allow me to explain my position on this, it might aleviate the blood pressure ever so slightly...

The fact of the matter is that there are piles of people on both sides of the poltical spectrum that take a great deal of political propaganda in this country as face value fact...when instead it's fabricated shite. That's really where I'm going with this...


I don't agree with that much of what Rush Limbaugh says....but what democrats tried to do to him, was wrong. Constitutionally wrong. Like him or not...when senators try to limit (through official declarations) a public figure's speech, that goes against the very grain that the constitution was founded on. There are specific freedoms in the constitution afforded to people in the press (a distinction I will loosely afford Limbaugh for this discussion) that are far more protected than most other common interpretations of 'freedom of speech'.


This is something that the Democrats have incorporated in their political game plan for as long as I've been alive. There's a great deal of effort on those to the left, to waste far more energy smearing those to the right than doing their best to make sure their message gets out fairly and honestly. Rush is just the latest target for the left's misguided energy. I might hazard a guess that this is a stupid target as well.

The fact of the matter is that I might have voted dem a few times here or there....but after seeing the smear/propaganda shit that Move On/media matters pulls on a relatively frequent basis, it makes it very hard to accept supporting a left-side candidate.

I dont agree with the direct analogy in that poster with Ike....because I don't think Hitler = Husein...but where I find the analogy freighteningly/disturbingly close, is the fact that this is how liberals would have addressed something like WWII....politics would not end at the shoreline for them. They would be flying into Berlin smearing the current president/administration, doing photo ops with Muselini, etc.

If liberals didn't pull this kind of shit....they'd have alot more supporters. But these kind of spiteful, angry, underhanded attacks make it hard for people to embrace the philosophy...and in my opinion, is the achilles heel of the party.


The only reason why the current congress is as left as it is...is far more so a reflection on the current president than an endorsement of ideas coming out of the left.

[strangegrey]

BTW, that IQ story is pure bullshit...and there's zero source available for those numbers. So whomever (not the poster here, the source) claimed that the numbers are +/- 5 acurate, is also talking out of their asshole.

[Rockindeano]

Lowest IQ? Where'd you read this? Daily Kos? Bush had a higher GPA than Kerry or Gore. Just sayin'

Majoring in cocaine abuse is pretty easy compared to real classes

GPA means nothing. Bush also "received" more votes in Florida than Mr Gore, so using that logic, anything is possible, eh?

My input here is not necessary. All of these beautiful people, and I mean everyone here, helped me and my family out in the darkest of times. I don't have the gumption nor the backbone to rip anyone any more be it Journey, Bush or the environment. I guess you could say I have lost my edge. I can't re-engage, can't get back in the saddle. My life has become a act. I am not myself. I literally am putting up a fake front of sorts. On the outside, I am polite and couteous to my co workers and friends, but inside, I am dying by the day. A big part of me wants to say goodbye to this world, but there is also another big part of me that keeps me churning, and that is Lula and Wyatt.

So, in summation, do I still get fired up over politics and such? Absolutely, but you won't see me express my inferno like passion here.

[conversationpc]

My input here is not necessary. All of these beautiful people, and I mean everyone here, helped me and my family out in the darkest of times. I don't have the gumption nor the backbone to rip anyone any more be it Journey, Bush or the environment. I guess you could say I have lost my edge. I can't re-engage, can't get back in the saddle. My life has become a act. I am not myself. I literally am putting up a fake front of sorts. On the outside, I am polite and couteous to my co workers and friends, but inside, I am dying by the day. A big part of me wants to say goodbye to this world, but there is also another big part of me that keeps me churning, and that is Lula and Wyatt.

So, in summation, do I still get fired up over politics and such? Absolutely, but you won't see me express my inferno like passion here.

I'll know you're back to yourself when you light into someone...Maybe not quite so much, though.

[ohsherrie]

GPA means nothing. Bush also "received" more votes in Florida than Mr Gore, so using that logic, anything is possible, eh?

My input here is not necessary. All of these beautiful people, and I mean everyone here, helped me and my family out in the darkest of times. I don't have the gumption nor the backbone to rip anyone any more be it Journey, Bush or the environment. I guess you could say I have lost my edge. I can't re-engage, can't get back in the saddle. My life has become a act. I am not myself. I literally am putting up a fake front of sorts. On the outside, I am polite and couteous to my co workers and friends, but inside, I am dying by the day. A big part of me wants to say goodbye to this world, but there is also another big part of me that keeps me churning, and that is Lula and Wyatt.

So, in summation, do I still get fired up over politics and such? Absolutely, but you won't see me express my inferno like passion here.

So I guess I'm on my own fighting these neanderthals?

If the shit that happens on this board made enemies do you think we'd have all been hurting for you?

Now is not the time for you to be backing down on the fight to give this country back to the people who care about people.

[Skylorde]

The only reason why the current congress is as left as it is...is far more so a reflection on the current president than an endorsement of ideas coming out of the left.

DING DING DING DING! Frank gets to see what's behind door #3!

Hmmm, I'll try to keep this short and stick to the facts.

1) Bush is a fucking idiot of biblical proportions
2) The so-called Republicans in the House and Senate have betrayed their conservative constituents, thus causing a lot of them to stay home on election day.
3) Because of #1 and #2, the Dems rode to power in the last election on the "WE HATE BUSH TOO!" ticket, not because they had new and fresh ideas.

Bush's approval rating is deservingly low. Do you find it a coincidence that Congress' approval rating has continued to sink to an all time low since the dems took the house and senate ? (13%? I forget the exact number)

It's *just* that simple.

[Rockindeano]

So I guess I'm on my own fighting these neanderthals?

If the shit that happens on this board made enemies do you think we'd have all been hurting for you?

Now is not the time for you to be backing down on the fight to give this country back to the people who care about people.

They aren't neanderathals, they are people, Americans who just happen to harbour different ideals than I and you. They are still our brothers and countrymen/women.

There really is no need to fight Sherrie. Not to be over confident, but the next election will see a female Democrat in the White House and a Democratic controlled Congress. It won't be close. I am privelidged to receive insider polling, and the numbers that matter, suggests it is all but over. Every scenario has Mrs Clinton the Free world's next leader, so get used to it.

However, after losing my little boy, I just cannot blast people. I have a renewed value on feelings, and more importantly, on life.

[Skylorde]

BTW,

As much as I loathe to defend Carter, he's not a stupid guy. A loud mouth treasonous idiot? Perhaps.

Carter was a nuclear engineer in the U.S. Navy and served as senior officer on the Seawolf, the second nuclear submarine.

[ohsherrie]

However, after losing my little boy, I just cannot blast people. I have a renewed value on feelings, and more importantly, on life.

I understand.

[Greg]

So I guess I'm on my own fighting these neanderthals?

If the shit that happens on this board made enemies do you think we'd have all been hurting for you?

Now is not the time for you to be backing down on the fight to give this country back to the people who care about people.

They aren't neanderathals, they are people, Americans who just happen to harbour different ideals than I and you. They are still our brothers and countrymen/women.

There really is no need to fight Sherrie. Not to be over confident, but the next election will see a female Democrat in the White House and a Democratic controlled Congress. It won't be close. I am privelidged to receive insider polling, and the numbers that matter, suggests it is all but over. Every scenario has Mrs Clinton the Free world's next leader, so get used to it.

However, after losing my little boy, I just cannot blast people. I have a renewed value on feelings, and more importantly, on life.

Very well spoken Dean. I believe in uniting our country, not splitting them apart. We are all different and have different ideologies. You and I probably differ a lot politically, but if we as Americans see it as an "us against them" as another civil war, we will tear this good country apart. I cannot imagine anybody truly wanting that to happen. There are good people on both sides of the aisle. I long for the day when we all can call ourselves Americans first and foremost.

[conversationpc]

Now is not the time for you to be backing down on the fight to give this country back to the people who care about people.

Yeah, we conservatives don't care about people at all. Ridiculous statement.

[ohsherrie]

Now is not the time for you to be backing down on the fight to give this country back to the people who care about people.

Yeah, we conservatives don't care about people at all. Ridiculous statement.

Of course you care about people, as long as they meet the right criteria.

[Skylorde]

They aren't neanderathals, they are people, Americans who just happen to harbour different ideals than I and you. They are still our brothers and countrymen/women.

There really is no need to fight Sherrie. Not to be over confident, but the next election will see a female Democrat in the White House and a Democratic controlled Congress. It won't be close. I am privelidged to receive insider polling, and the numbers that matter, suggests it is all but over. Every scenario has Mrs Clinton the Free world's next leader, so get used to it.

However, after losing my little boy, I just cannot blast people. I have a renewed value on feelings, and more importantly, on life.

I hate to even think about it but you are likely correct...and her getting elected is just another nail in our proverbial coffin. I think I understand your thinking. Everyone deserves health care and you think we need a national health care plan (just one example). What you fail to realize you are further empowering the government to do what it does best; inefficiently waste money and make the people further dependent on the government.

At the end of the day, this is pure socialism that has been proven time and time and time again, it just doesn't work. When it's the goal of the government to redistribute wealth then we've lost ourselves and we've lost our soul. How can anyone possibly research the Constitution, the Federalist papers, etc and conclude the current state of our government is what the founding fathers had in mind? Every bit of the Constitution was carefully thought out to PREVENT a monolithic government from taking control and abusing it's power; a state we are precisely at today.

It`s a steady downhill slide. You know, we`re headed -- this country is really finished. I mean, it really is technically finished. It`s just a matter of playing out the end-game.

There`s a medical term that they use in hospitals when a person has no future left on this planet, they can`t be helped anymore. And they put it on the chart: CTD, "Circling the Drain".

And that`s what we`re doing. We`re slowly circling the drain. And the circles get smaller and they get faster. I enjoy it. Personally, I don`t have a stake in the outcome. I personally enjoy this circus that I`ve been invited to.

I`ve often said when you`re born in the world you`re given a ticket to the freak show. When you`re born in America, you`re given a front row seat. And I couldn`t enjoy it more.

~ George Carlin

[conversationpc]

Now is not the time for you to be backing down on the fight to give this country back to the people who care about people.

Yeah, we conservatives don't care about people at all. Ridiculous statement.

Of course you care about people, as long as the meet they right criteria.

You know me better than that. I've reached out to people on this forum without regard to lifestyle, political beliefs, religious beliefs, etc. I enjoy having spirited debates and I know we disagree a lot but I'm kinda disappointed that you would say something like that.

[ohsherrie]

Now is not the time for you to be backing down on the fight to give this country back to the people who care about people.

Yeah, we conservatives don't care about people at all. Ridiculous statement.

Of course you care about people, as long as the meet they right criteria.

You know me better than that. I've reached out to people on this forum without regard to lifestyle, political beliefs, religions beliefs, etc. I enjoy having spirited debates and I know we disagree a lot but I'm kinda disappointed that you would say something like that.

That wasn't meant against you personally Dave. I know you're a great person.

Your post said "we conservatives". It's the policies of our government that are labeled as conservative that I was talking about.

[conversationpc]

That wasn't meant against you personally Dave. I know you're a great person.

Your post said "we conservatives". It's the policies of our government that are labeled as conservative that I was talking about.

Most conservatives, just like most liberals are generally honest, caring people. Seeing all the stuff I see on a daily basis, I could very well say the same about liberals that you said about conservatives and I would be wrong.

[RedWingFan]

Now is not the time for you to be backing down on the fight to give this country back to the people who care about people.

Yeah, we conservatives don't care about people at all. Ridiculous statement.

Of course you care about people, as long as the meet they right criteria.

You know me better than that. I've reached out to people on this forum without regard to lifestyle, political beliefs, religious beliefs, etc. I enjoy having spirited debates and I know we disagree a lot but I'm kinda disappointed that you would say something like that.

Dude, you can't be surprised. If you are conservative, you are a racist, biggot, sexist, homophobe who wants to slaughter the poor and homeless where they lie! Don't argue it Dave, just continue to let your actions speak for you. Let those that accuse you of it make themselves look like idiots.

[conversationpc]

Dude, you can't be surprised. If you are conservative, you are a racist, biggot, sexist, homophobe who wants to slaughter the poor and homeless where they lie! Don't argue it Dave, just continue to let your actions speak for you. Let those that accuse you of it make themselves look like idiots.

Yeah, I forgot I work for Evil Conservative Industries.

[ohsherrie]

That wasn't meant against you personally Dave. I know you're a great person.

Your post said "we conservatives". It's the policies of our government that are labeled as conservative that I was talking about.

Most conservatives, just like most liberals are generally honest, caring people. Seeing all the stuff I see on a daily basis, I could very well say the same about liberals that you said about conservatives and I would be wrong.

In our day to day lives dealing with the people we have personal contact with we're all pretty much the same. That's even true for most of us who have come to know each other on this board. When it comes to how we think our government should deal with people who we don't personally know though it's a different matter.

Neither you nor I would deny heath care to the child that lives next door to us.

[ohsherrie]

If you are conservative, you are a racist, biggot, sexist, homophobe who wants to slaughter the poor and homeless where they lie!

Yeah, I forgot I work for Evil Conservative Industries.

Does that mean you're agreeing with that description of yourself? I don't think I've ever accused you of anything that vile. Now RF maybe, but not you.