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Postby Journey69 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:29 pm

Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I agree with SBN,makes alot of sense.. He had die hard Soto fans pulling for him.. And probably won over some new fans because Journey put him out there.. If your going to put Soto in Journey,you would almost have to retire Journey and create a new name.. It would have been too different of a direction..IMO
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:33 pm

Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I always felt the reason die-hard Perry fans liked Soto so much was because he didn't try to copy Perry. He took the songs they loved and gave them his own touch. The die-hard Perry fans knew Perry wasn't coming back but they didn't want a copycat up there.
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Postby S.B.N » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:33 pm

Journey69 wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I agree with SBN,makes alot of sense.. He had die hard Soto fans pulling for him.. And probably won over some new fans because Journey put him out there.. If your going to put Soto in Journey,you would almost have to retire Journey and create a new name.. It would have been too different of a direction..IMO


Soul Sirkus maybe?
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Postby Journey69 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:35 pm

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I always felt the reason die-hard Perry fans liked Soto so much was because he didn't try to copy Perry. He took the songs they loved and gave them his own touch. The die-hard Perry fans knew Perry wasn't coming back but they didn't want a copycat up there.


I don't know about that.. So is Kelly Hansen a copycat of Lou Gramm? His fans seem to be ok with it..And they haven't even done a new record yet.. Go figure..
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Postby Journey69 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:38 pm

S.B.N wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I agree with SBN,makes alot of sense.. He had die hard Soto fans pulling for him.. And probably won over some new fans because Journey put him out there.. If your going to put Soto in Journey,you would almost have to retire Journey and create a new name.. It would have been too different of a direction..IMO


Soul Sirkus maybe?


Possible.. They could have done what Creed did ,creating Alterbridge.. All the same group with new lead singer.. Journey could have done that.. I will guarantee you that Creed fans know all about AlterBridge or found out soon after they made an album.. And a hell of an album it was.. Also their latest,Blackbird.. Just awesome!!
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Postby fightingilliniJRNY » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:38 pm

Journey69 wrote:
fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I always felt the reason die-hard Perry fans liked Soto so much was because he didn't try to copy Perry. He took the songs they loved and gave them his own touch. The die-hard Perry fans knew Perry wasn't coming back but they didn't want a copycat up there.


I don't know about that.. So is Kelly Hansen a copycat of Lou Gramm? His fans seem to be ok with it..And they haven't even done a new record yet.. Go figure..


I don't know. I was just hypothesizing based on what I saw from this board when JSS was on board. The most ardent Perry supporters were excited about Journey again, and I always thought it was because they liked that JSS wasn't up there to sing it like Perry. One of JSS' influences is Perry himself, so that's always going to be in the back of his mind, but he didn't sing the songs like the records. And I think that's what pro-Perry people liked. I'm just saying what I always thought the case was.
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Postby S.B.N » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:38 pm

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I always felt the reason die-hard Perry fans liked Soto so much was because he didn't try to copy Perry. He took the songs they loved and gave them his own touch. The die-hard Perry fans knew Perry wasn't coming back but they didn't want a copycat up there.


I guess people can't have their cake and eat it too. Augeri got knocked for this as well. Being an "impostor" and trying to sound like Perry. People said he lacked the stage skill Perry had. Something tells me if Augeri would of done laps around the stage then they would mark him as just that. An impostor and copier. Harsh business I tell you, harsh business.
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Postby Moon Beam » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:39 pm

Journey69 wrote:
It would have been too different of a direction..IMO



Bull Biscuits!, you do not know that Soto or another good
lead choice wouldn't have made marvelous music with them.

It's sad to see it this far gone, could have been beautiful now it seems
full of belly shakes........shame to say.
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Postby Moon Beam » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:43 pm

Just so you know Journey69, I'm glad you have your own opinion.
I just like to add mine in every now and again, kind of an extention
on your thoughts.
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Postby Journey69 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:44 pm

Moon Beam wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
It would have been too different of a direction..IMO



Bull Biscuits!, you do not know that Soto or another good
lead choice wouldn't have made marvelous music with them.

It's sad to see it this far gone, could have been beautiful now it seems
full of belly shakes........shame to say.


Look at it this way..You have a new JSS album coming soon..A new Journey album coming soon.. What's not to like..2 new albums..If JSS was in Journey ,one album..I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin..
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Postby Moon Beam » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:47 pm

Journey69 wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
It would have been too different of a direction..IMO



Bull Biscuits!, you do not know that Soto or another good
lead choice wouldn't have made marvelous music with them.

It's sad to see it this far gone, could have been beautiful now it seems
full of belly shakes........shame to say.


Look at it this way..You have a new JSS album coming soon..A new Journey album coming soon.. What's not to like..2 new albums..If JSS was in Journey ,one album..I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin..



Call it the Scorpio in me. :twisted:
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Postby Journey69 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:51 pm

Moon Beam wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
It would have been too different of a direction..IMO



Bull Biscuits!, you do not know that Soto or another good
lead choice wouldn't have made marvelous music with them.

It's sad to see it this far gone, could have been beautiful now it seems
full of belly shakes........shame to say.


Look at it this way..You have a new JSS album coming soon..A new Journey album coming soon.. What's not to like..2 new albums..If JSS was in Journey ,one album..I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin..



Call it the Scorpio in me. :twisted:


Its all good..I have friends that like to go the other direction on me all the time.. Trying to get my goat.. :lol:
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Postby Moon Beam » Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:53 pm

I'm having fun after a day spent with many males.
Your reading to much into my entertainment.

I mean no harm, just poke in and out fun.
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Postby Journey69 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:05 pm

Moon Beam wrote:I'm having fun after a day spent with many males.
Your reading to much into my entertainment.

I mean no harm, just poke in and out fun.


I know..and I knew that..it takes alot to irritate me..I'm pretty laid back..
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Postby squirt1 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:35 pm

Deb- You said it all ! There is a point when a band is no longer adequate with replacements. JSS did that for us 70-80's fans and now , under stupid decision making- GOOD-BYE ! No Mas !
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Postby Deb » Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:55 pm

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I always felt the reason die-hard Perry fans liked Soto so much was because he didn't try to copy Perry. He took the songs they loved and gave them his own touch. The die-hard Perry fans knew Perry wasn't coming back but they didn't want a copycat up there.


I don't know about that.. So is Kelly Hansen a copycat of Lou Gramm? His fans seem to be ok with it..And they haven't even done a new record yet.. Go figure..


I don't know. I was just hypothesizing based on what I saw from this board when JSS was on board. The most ardent Perry supporters were excited about Journey again, and I always thought it was because they liked that JSS wasn't up there to sing it like Perry. One of JSS' influences is Perry himself, so that's always going to be in the back of his mind, but he didn't sing the songs like the records. And I think that's what pro-Perry people liked. I'm just saying what I always thought the case was.


You are right on the money fightingilliniJRNY! Well, at least about this fan anyway. :) They finally had the whole package as a frontman again, as unique in his own way as Perry.

I guess it is all as it should be, Neal can be happy now. Perry was the draw in the Perry era Journey, Schon was the draw in the Augeri era Journey, JSS was beginning to be the draw in the JSS era Journey, now Schon will once again be the main draw in the Arnel era Journey. :P
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Postby donnaplease » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:07 pm

Moonie, don't say anything else until you've come to the Annex...
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Postby annie89509 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:02 pm

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I always felt the reason die-hard Perry fans liked Soto so much was because he didn't try to copy Perry. He took the songs they loved and gave them his own touch. The die-hard Perry fans knew Perry wasn't coming back but they didn't want a copycat up there.


I don't know about that.. So is Kelly Hansen a copycat of Lou Gramm? His fans seem to be ok with it..And they haven't even done a new record yet.. Go figure..


I don't know. I was just hypothesizing based on what I saw from this board when JSS was on board. The most ardent Perry supporters were excited about Journey again, and I always thought it was because they liked that JSS wasn't up there to sing it like Perry. One of JSS' influences is Perry himself, so that's always going to be in the back of his mind, but he didn't sing the songs like the records. And I think that's what pro-Perry people liked. I'm just saying what I always thought the case was.


That's about right. I was a regular on Perryville and only started posting on this board recently, after lurking for years. We all have our favorite SP-sung songs, and those are very dear and personal, which we have heard 1000 times on record and the radio. Then, to hear someone else with similar tone and voice sing those songs (copycat might be too harsh a description) is almost too much to bear. JSS is(was) refreshing because he has a totally different tone and timbre. When JSS sings those songs, it's a tribute to SP. When SA sang those songs, and no doubt Arnel will sing those songs, it's a ... copycat :wink:
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Postby annie89509 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:11 pm

Deb wrote:
fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Journey69 wrote:
fightingilliniJRNY wrote:
Moon Beam wrote:
S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.




He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.


I always felt the reason die-hard Perry fans liked Soto so much was because he didn't try to copy Perry. He took the songs they loved and gave them his own touch. The die-hard Perry fans knew Perry wasn't coming back but they didn't want a copycat up there.


I don't know about that.. So is Kelly Hansen a copycat of Lou Gramm? His fans seem to be ok with it..And they haven't even done a new record yet.. Go figure..


I don't know. I was just hypothesizing based on what I saw from this board when JSS was on board. The most ardent Perry supporters were excited about Journey again, and I always thought it was because they liked that JSS wasn't up there to sing it like Perry. One of JSS' influences is Perry himself, so that's always going to be in the back of his mind, but he didn't sing the songs like the records. And I think that's what pro-Perry people liked. I'm just saying what I always thought the case was.


You are right on the money fightingilliniJRNY! Well, at least about this fan anyway. :) They finally had the whole package as a frontman again, as unique in his own way as Perry.

I guess it is all as it should be, Neal can be happy now. Perry was the draw in the Perry era Journey, Schon was the draw in the Augeri era Journey, JSS was beginning to be the draw in the JSS era Journey, now Schon will once again be the main draw in the Arnel era Journey. :P


There has been a lot of theories on why JSS was let go. Never heard it put this way before. You may have hit the nail on the head, Deb.
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Postby texafana » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:08 pm

Wait...you guys are nit picking Journey's new lead singer because he sounds similar to Steve Perry? And you would rather them go a different direction? 20 years ago maybe, not now. They're on the last few laps of their careers. I want them to sound like the classic Journey, give it one more try with a nice tenor melodic voice. Neal and John seem to write music with a high tenor in mind anyway. I am very much looking forward to the new music and seeing them in concert.
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Postby Saint John » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:20 pm

texafana wrote:Wait...you guys are nit picking Journey's new lead singer because he sounds similar to Steve Perry? And you would rather them go a different direction? 20 years ago maybe, not now. They're on the last few laps of their careers. I want them to sound like the classic Journey, give it one more try with a nice tenor melodic voice. Neal and John seem to write music with a high tenor in mind anyway. I am very much looking forward to the new music and seeing them in concert.


Agreed. Soto's time would have been in the late 80's, when a dramatic change in musical direction was acceptable. It isn't now and the band knows this. Soto may have been this band's Hagar in the late 80's. Had they kept him in Journey now, I think he would have had a fate similar to that of Gary Cherone.
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