ARRIVAL or TRIAL BY FIRE

[Journey69]

TBF...did you even need to ask? Andrew..you can close this thread now..I think we're done. ...j/k

the first tune off of TBF just buries Arrival.. AND Arrival was amazing..

Message of love? Your shitting me.. Average at best.. All of the things on Arrival kills it..And if that one doesn't World gone wild smokes it.. Don't be a Perry apologist..

[larryfromnextdoor]

TBF...did you even need to ask? Andrew..you can close this thread now..I think we're done. ...j/k

the first tune off of TBF just buries Arrival.. AND Arrival was amazing..

Message of love? Your shitting me.. Average at best.. All of the things on Arrival kills it..And if that one doesn't World gone wild smokes it.. Don't be a Perry apologist..

your mama is a perry apologist..

[ohsherrie]

Don't be stupid..Where did I write I was comparing the 2?

Ahem, look below Einstein.

Before you cry cause its not Perry..Seriously ..Listen to Augeri's voice and the songs,lyrics.. Exceptional !

[dcvader]

They're even in my book.

Both have KILLER rock songs, but too many ballads.

I'm in different moods when I listen to both, too.

I agree completely!

They're apples and oranges. It all depends on what you're in the mood for. I've got TBF in the stereo at the moment.

Agree. Both have their place.

[Journey69]

Don't be stupid..Where did I write I was comparing the 2?

Ahem, look below Einstein.

Before you cry cause its not Perry..Seriously ..Listen to Augeri's voice and the songs,lyrics.. Exceptional !

That wasn't a comparison ..OMG your shitting me right? I said it wasn't Perry,meaning some people no matter what,will defend Perry like no tomorrow.. It wasn't about comparing the singers,but the songs..I'll take Einstein as a compliment!

[somethingtohide]

I like Arrival and just listened to it today.

But, I have to go with TBF for Perry's vocals and Message of Love.

[7 Wishes]

TBF is the best Journey record, bar none. Arrival had some strong moments, but would have been somewhat weak without Jack Blades' songwriting contributions.

[scarygirl]

TBF is the best Journey record, bar none. Arrival had some strong moments, but would have been somewhat weak without Jack Blades' songwriting contributions.

Yeah. And that's despite BABY I'M A LEAVING YOU!!

[Moose]

TBF...did you even need to ask? Andrew..you can close this thread now..I think we're done. ...j/k

the first tune off of TBF just buries Arrival.. AND Arrival was amazing..

Lar...I agree with your assessment. MOL was a signature song for TBF, and nothing on Arrival comes close. While I loved many songs on Arrival, I am not sure why so many people seemed so enamored with Higher Place. Didn't do much for me.

[Aaron]

Arrival for sure. TBF pissed me off the first few times I played it. I like rock, not adult contemporary sissy music.

[Rodimus]

Trial by fire. It is my favorite Journey album. Just something about it, I listen to it all the time.

[Journey69]

TBF...did you even need to ask? Andrew..you can close this thread now..I think we're done. ...j/k

the first tune off of TBF just buries Arrival.. AND Arrival was amazing..

Lar...I agree with your assessment. MOL was a signature song for TBF, and nothing on Arrival comes close. While I loved many songs on Arrival, I am not sure why so many people seemed so enamored with Higher Place. Didn't do much for me.

Higher Place did nothing for me either..totally overrated.. Now Faith in the Heartland.. Love that song..!

[Crazie Scarab]

infinty by a landslide over those two combined.

Fuckin' A, bro! I totally HEAR that!

[journeyrock]

TBF, hands down.

[Crazie Scarab]

TBF...did you even need to ask? Andrew..you can close this thread now..I think we're done. ...j/k

the first tune off of TBF just buries Arrival.. AND Arrival was amazing..

Lar...I agree with your assessment. MOL was a signature song for TBF, and nothing on Arrival comes close. While I loved many songs on Arrival, I am not sure why so many people seemed so enamored with Higher Place. Didn't do much for me.

Higher Place did nothing for me either..totally overrated.. Now Faith in the Heartland.. Love that song..!

Sorry... ALL of Gen's sucks! That is the most horrible Journey CD ever. PERIOD!

[journeyrock]

TBF is winning, guys, by a landslide. Currently 18 TBF, 6 Arrival. Should have been a poll. I can't count past 25

[Crazie Scarab]

TBF is winning, guys, by a landslide. Currently 18 TBF, 6 Arrival. Should have been a poll. I can't count past 25

That's ten fingers. ten toes and five what?

[Journey69]

TBF is winning, guys, by a landslide. Currently 18 TBF, 6 Arrival. Should have been a poll. I can't count past 25

That's ten fingers. ten toes and five what?

Just because no one is giving Augeri a shot period.. Arrival is stellar.. Everything Journey is.. I don't like how subdued TBF was.. Can't tame the lion isn't much of a rock song.. The only one that is really really good..and its not message of love.. its ONE MORE .. Great song.. The one thing I liked about Arrival that was missing on TBF is how they would take a song one way and then do a 180 on it.. That my friends is priceless.. Neal's guitar is right there in front..On TBF it is subdued..If you don't see that..your out of your mind..There are a couple songs on TBF where Neal's guitar is out front..Almost all songs on Arrival his guitar is out front with Augeri's voice,like Perry's used to be.. My god,listen to World gone wild and tell me that is inferior to Can't tame the lion..

[journeyrock]

TBF is winning, guys, by a landslide. Currently 18 TBF, 6 Arrival. Should have been a poll. I can't count past 25

That's ten fingers. ten toes and five what?

Wouldn't you like to know

[Moose]

ONE MORE .. Great song..

Great friggin song....vocals and musically...raw emotion...IMHO

[journeyrock]

TBF is winning, guys, by a landslide. Currently 18 TBF, 6 Arrival. Should have been a poll. I can't count past 25

That's ten fingers. ten toes and five what?

Just because no one is giving Augeri a shot period.. Arrival is stellar.. Everything Journey is.. I don't like how subdued TBF was.. Can't tame the lion isn't much of a rock song.. The only one that is really really good..and its not message of love.. its ONE MORE .. Great song.. The one thing I liked about Arrival that was missing on TBF is how they would take a song one way and then do a 180 on it.. That my friends is priceless.. Neal's guitar is right there in front..On TBF it is subdued..If you don't see that..your out of your mind..There are a couple songs on TBF where Neal's guitar is out front..Almost all songs on Arrival his guitar is out front with Augeri's voice,like Perry's used to be.. My god,listen to World gone wild and tell me that is inferior to Can't tame the lion..

I totally agree 69. I noticed that myself.

[mistiejourney]

It's Arrival for me. I think Arrival is a great CD. It's a more upbeat CD, TBF, while very good (what isn't good when Perry is singing?) is very melancholy.

[MarcelJordan]

TBF

[wastingbeerz]

Arrival gets my vote. All I need to say is "Live and Breathe". Seriously, I feel I have to jump around on TBF too much. Great album, but I like Arrival better, makes me really sad that Augeri's out of Journey. Then I go and listen to "Shine" and realize that even with that range, SA would have still done well with Journey. I think Arrival would have still been awesome with that delivery/range, though I guess it might have needed a bit of reworking here and there. But yeah, Arrival > TBF.

[Saint John]

TBF One word, folks....Steve Perry

[annie89509]

Perhaps the problem with some of us is we're listening with "Perry Ears" on. What do you expect? After listening to 7 albums and several GH compilations with that signature voice. And then one listens to Arrival and SA doing the perryisms all over that record. A total turn-off. I like his singing on Generations, albeit low-budgetly produced, much better.

Though, I can totally see a new fan, someone maybe not familiar with their entire back catalog and/or SP, suddenly listens to Arrival and liking the music and songs. And I can see the same fan, who may be more into rocking music, thinking TBF is too mellow for his/her taste.

But to have Neal, or any fan, call Arrival Escape 2000, is just ridiculous. Escape is their singular masterpiece. It will never be touched or duplicated.

[finalfight]

Arrival is the superior album songwise although Trial By Fire is better produced.

[Vladan]

I think the masses will also agree that Trial By Fire is better. As said before... Steve Perry, and that is it all it needed. Regardless how good it was, you had the best lineup ever.

Schon, Valory, Perry, Smith, Cain - how can you go wrong with those guys? you can't.

[StevePerryHair]

TBF One word, folks....Steve Perry

Dan, I believe that's TWO words

[finalfight]

I think the masses will also agree that Trial By Fire is better. As said before... Steve Perry, and that is it all it needed. Regardless how good it was, you had the best lineup ever.

Schon, Valory, Perry, Smith, Cain - how can you go wrong with those guys? you can't.

The line up was great but although I like Trial By Fire on the whole I think it was a case of 'the wheel turns but the hamster is dead' for me.

Consider the recent output from the classic Iron Maiden line up - two sh!tty albums in a row with barely a notably song between them. Kevin Shirley I am looking at you! Redeem yourself on the new Journey!