What if Arnel can....

[Journey69]

Nail....Something to hide,Sweet and simple,Winds of march...basically all the one's that no one but Perry can nail.. Would that change your mind about Arnel?

WHo gives a shit. There's people in this country that can do the same thing....whether or not they were actively recruited by Fucka and Fro.

doing the above does NOT set the person apart....unless the person singing it is Steve fucking Perry.

Anything or anyone else is a fucking flawed product released by a tribute band masquerading as Journey. NOthing more Nothing less.

Ok,I'm not going to try to stir the hornets nest here.. But.. Do tribute bands make new cd's that sell 300,000 + Strangegrey > Asshat

P.S please tone down the F word.. The baby's sleeping !

[strangegrey]

Ok,I'm not going to try to stir the hornets nest here.. But.. Do tribute bands make new cd's that sell 300,000 + Strangegrey > Asshat
P.S please tone down the F word.. The baby's sleeping !

Putting your faith in the 4th singer of a band that is spiraling into the laughing stock of the music industry makes you the asshat....hell, makes you the QUEEN asshat.

For fucks sake, 300,000 copies sold? Lay down the crack pipe. If you have kids, walk, no run to your nearest addiction center.

selling a fraction of the dream number you posted up there is not even going to happen with this lineup. The band is currently the laughing stock of the industry right now. No band survives from 4 singer changes following establishment. This band wont even do enough to post a footnote underneath the footnote they left with JSS and Steve A.

Enjoy the coffee and cake, as you go down with the ship...

[Journey69]

Ok,I'm not going to try to stir the hornets nest here.. But.. Do tribute bands make new cd's that sell 300,000 + Strangegrey > Asshat
P.S please tone down the F word.. The baby's sleeping !

Putting your faith in the 4th singer of a band that is spiraling into the laughing stock of the music industry makes you the asshat....hell, makes you the QUEEN asshat.

For fucks sake, 300,000 copies sold? Lay down the crack pipe. If you have kids, walk, no run to your nearest addiction center.

selling a fraction of the dream number you posted up there is not even going to happen with this lineup. The band is currently the laughing stock of the industry right now. No band survives from 4 singer changes following establishment. This band wont even do enough to post a footnote underneath the footnote they left with JSS and Steve A.

Enjoy the coffee and cake, as you go down with the ship...

You don't know that.. You are speculating.. I don't give a shit if they sell 1 album.. As long as I have it.. Seriously I have nothing against you man.. But you need to ..as you would say..fucking relax..

[StoneCold]

canIhavsumadat?

Ya want butter with that?

Sounds good! Gettin my Redenbacher on right now. Thanks Rick and JH'sTXfan!

[Journey69]

canIhavsumadat?

Ya want butter with that?

Sounds good! Gettin my Redenbacher on right now. Thanks Rick and JH'sTXfan!

Man,where did you get that emoticon.. I want it..

[Rick]

canIhavsumadat?

Ya want butter with that?

Sounds good! Gettin my Redenbacher on right now. Thanks Rick and JH'sTXfan!

Man,where did you get that emoticon.. I want it..

http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/

[yulog]

heres the double team version

[wildone]

Ok,I'm not going to try to stir the hornets nest here.. But.. Do tribute bands make new cd's that sell 300,000 + Strangegrey > Asshat
P.S please tone down the F word.. The baby's sleeping !

Putting your faith in the 4th singer of a band that is spiraling into the laughing stock of the music industry makes you the asshat....hell, makes you the QUEEN asshat.

For fucks sake, 300,000 copies sold? Lay down the crack pipe. If you have kids, walk, no run to your nearest addiction center.

selling a fraction of the dream number you posted up there is not even going to happen with this lineup. The band is currently the laughing stock of the industry right now. No band survives from 4 singer changes following establishment. This band wont even do enough to post a footnote underneath the footnote they left with JSS and Steve A.

Enjoy the coffee and cake, as you go down with the ship...

You don't know that.. You are speculating.. I don't give a shit if they sell 1 album.. As long as I have it.. Seriously I have nothing against you man.. But you need to ..as you would say..fucking relax..

It's all good there going to go down like a .50 cent whore!!!

[Journey69]

canIhavsumadat?

Ya want butter with that?

Sounds good! Gettin my Redenbacher on right now. Thanks Rick and JH'sTXfan!

Man,where did you get that emoticon.. I want it..

http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/

Thanks man..Appreciated..!

[Journey69]

heres the double team version

That was funny stuff.. Great way to start my Weds..

[strangegrey]

You don't know that.. You are speculating.. I don't give a shit if they sell 1 album.. As long as I have it.. Seriously I have nothing against you man.. But you need to ..as you would say..fucking relax..

Well, with all due respect, the speculation is mostly on your part. Speculating that this band will actually sell with a 4th singer....

Please give me one band that has met with success after 4 lead singer changes (post-establishment)....you're *not* going to find one out there....But I will also add, there's a graveyard of bands out there that are touring small podunk shitholes, playing to 30 fools, selling 1-2 CD's a night in said shitholes.....trying to forcefeed people the idea that they could replace a singer 2-3 times....

Look how successful they are.

You're parading around like one of the multiple personalities of a certain person we all know and hate....claiming they are going to rediscover the stardom of the 80s with a guy who does silly sissor kicks and relies on a music stand to remember the lyrics....

How realistic are you being here?

[ohsherrie]

You're parading around like one of the multiple personalities of a certain person we all know and hate....claiming they are going to rediscover the stardom of the 80s with a guy who does silly sissor kicks and relies on a music stand to remember the lyrics....

How realistic are you being here?

[Journey69]

You don't know that.. You are speculating.. I don't give a shit if they sell 1 album.. As long as I have it.. Seriously I have nothing against you man.. But you need to ..as you would say..fucking relax..

Well, with all due respect, the speculation is mostly on your part. Speculating that this band will actually sell with a 4th singer....

Please give me one band that has met with success after 4 lead singer changes (post-establishment)....you're *not* going to find one out there....But I will also add, there's a graveyard of bands out there that are touring small podunk shitholes, playing to 30 fools, selling 1-2 CD's a night in said shitholes.....trying to forcefeed people the idea that they could replace a singer 2-3 times....

Look how successful they are.

You're parading around like one of the multiple personalities of a certain person we all know and hate....claiming they are going to rediscover the stardom of the 80s with a guy who does silly sissor kicks and relies on a music stand to remember the lyrics....

How realistic are you being here?

I understand what you are saying.. I'm not parading the guy out anywhere.. He is the new lead singer.. I would support anyone who had enough balls to try to fill the role. Obviously only Perry can.. I'm an optimist.. I will not judge the guy til I hear the new album.. What if you were the new lead singer and everyone was ripping your balls out before you even released a new album or stepped up to the mike..I doubt you would like it.. I would still give you a shot.. I give Journey prop's for coming out with a new album out of the gate.. What have Foreigner been doing with their new guy..Touring..NO new album..

[bluejeangirl76]

I understand what you are saying.. I'm not parading the guy out anywhere.. He is the new lead singer.. I would support anyone who had enough balls to try to fill the role. Obviously only Perry can.. I'm an optimist.. I will not judge the guy til I hear the new album.. What if you were the new lead singer and everyone was ripping your balls out before you even released a new album or stepped up to the mike..I doubt you would like it.. I would still give you a shot.. I give Journey prop's for coming out with a new album out of the gate.. What have Foreigner been doing with their new guy..Touring..NO new album..

Right. But you're not him. Let him worry about proving himself and let Journey worry about promoting their new lineup/album. Playing 'what if Perry never existed' in every thread isn't going to help any of that. The past isn't going to change no matter how many threads pop up suggesting that Journey could have succeed the same way with Arnel if Perry had never left the turkey farm. Journey's success happened after Perry showed up and their first chart hit was written solely by him. I'm thinking he had A LITTLE SOMETHING to do with it.

Those are facts. Can't change them. All Journey can do is try their best from here out.

[jrnyman28]

You don't know that.. You are speculating.. I don't give a shit if they sell 1 album.. As long as I have it.. Seriously I have nothing against you man.. But you need to ..as you would say..fucking relax..

Well, with all due respect, the speculation is mostly on your part. Speculating that this band will actually sell with a 4th singer....

Please give me one band that has met with success after 4 lead singer changes (post-establishment)....you're *not* going to find one out there....But I will also add, there's a graveyard of bands out there that are touring small podunk shitholes, playing to 30 fools, selling 1-2 CD's a night in said shitholes.....trying to forcefeed people the idea that they could replace a singer 2-3 times....

Look how successful they are.

You're parading around like one of the multiple personalities of a certain person we all know and hate....claiming they are going to rediscover the stardom of the 80s with a guy who does silly sissor kicks and relies on a music stand to remember the lyrics....

How realistic are you being here?

By "established" I would think you mean after having hits. Therefore Perry would be the "established" benchmark. That being said, JSS only toured with the band for a short time. While there may have been an official announcement that he was a member of the band, I really have a hard time including him in the grand scheme of public appearance. So that would actually mean that Arnel, provided they DO release new material with him (they could fire him before that happens...it's happened before!) would only be the 2nd lead singer change after "establishment". Still a tough position, but near as daunting as being "fourth".

[strangegrey]

By "established" I would think you mean after having hits. Therefore Perry would be the "established" benchmark. That being said, JSS only toured with the band for a short time. While there may have been an official announcement that he was a member of the band, I really have a hard time including him in the grand scheme of public appearance. So that would actually mean that Arnel, provided they DO release new material with him (they could fire him before that happens...it's happened before!) would only be the 2nd lead singer change after "establishment". Still a tough position, but near as daunting as being "fourth".

The fact of the matter is that JSS WAS announced as the new singer. He WAS fired from the position. Whether or not you determine that he was a singer or not, is in your own reality...

The very first question that any non-journey fan is going to ask you after you say 'go check out Journey with their new singer, arnel!!" is:

"new singer!?!?! How many singers have they had!"

Are you going to lie and not include Chalfant, Jeremey and JSS in that equation. I'll give you Jeremey and *maybe* Chalfant....but to not include JSS would be shaping the fact pattern to support your assertion....i.e. lying!

Like it or not, 90% of non journey fans (i.e. people that don't give a shit about the band and would likely not show up at a show) will question the legitimacy of the band based on the revolving door of the lead singer position...that's a fact.

and....that fact is being perpetuated in the music press AS WE SPEAK. Find me one article in the music press that addresses the new singer, Arnel...without mentioning just how rediculous this lead singer swapping looks!?

[jrnyman28]

I am only saying that most fans ARE aware of Perry, and many are aware of Steve....after that comes Arnel IF/WHEN they record and tour. I do not include Kevin since that was never official. And I COULD but am not including Gregg and Robert. YES, Journey has had a plethora of singers. But the general consensus likely will see Arnel as the 2nd replacement of Perry. Now, that is still a tough gig, just not as bad as you are making it sound. The historical precedents are still on your side. Look at VH with Gary Cherone. Look at Genesis with that Ray guy. I am certain there are more but those two serve as example enough. The future does not look "strong" for Journey. But I don't think it looks as weak as you would like to make it out as either.

[journeyrock]

By "established" I would think you mean after having hits. Therefore Perry would be the "established" benchmark. That being said, JSS only toured with the band for a short time. While there may have been an official announcement that he was a member of the band, I really have a hard time including him in the grand scheme of public appearance. So that would actually mean that Arnel, provided they DO release new material with him (they could fire him before that happens...it's happened before!) would only be the 2nd lead singer change after "establishment". Still a tough position, but near as daunting as being "fourth".

The fact of the matter is that JSS WAS announced as the new singer. He WAS fired from the position. Whether or not you determine that he was a singer or not, is in your own reality...

The very first question that any non-journey fan is going to ask you after you say 'go check out Journey with their new singer, arnel!!" is:

"new singer!?!?! How many singers have they had!"

Are you going to lie and not include Chalfant, Jeremey and JSS in that equation. I'll give you Jeremey and *maybe* Chalfant....but to not include JSS would be shaping the fact pattern to support your assertion....i.e. lying!

Like it or not, 90% of non journey fans (i.e. people that don't give a shit about the band and would likely not show up at a show) will question the legitimacy of the band based on the revolving door of the lead singer position...that's a fact.

and....that fact is being perpetuated in the music press AS WE SPEAK. Find me one article in the music press that addresses the new singer, Arnel...without mentioning just how rediculous this lead singer swapping looks!? :roll:

Hey SG, are there any links to these articles. I would LOVE to read them. Seriously. It will just confirm what clowns these guys look like.

[ohsherrie]

The historical precedents are still on your side. Look at VH with Gary Cherone. Look at Genesis with that Ray guy. I am certain there are more but those two serve as example enough. The future does not look "strong" for Journey. But I don't think it looks as weak as you would like to make it out as either.

Journey's even in worse shape than they were. Those bands at least had success with their second frontmen comparable to the first.

[strangegrey]

But the general consensus likely will see Arnel as the 2nd replacement of Perry. Now, that is still a tough gig, just not as bad as you are making it sound.

How on EARTH can you say such a thing, when the band had replaced Perry in 1997, ANNOUNCED through the Journey BTM that he had been replaced...that singer was in the band for another 8 years before this stupid round robin of singers started.

Unless you've been living under a rock, the band will be parading around a singer that a large percentage of music-savy folk will KNOW is not the second singer.

And just how much success did VH have with Cherone (the 3rd singer, not the 4th, 5th or 6th)? or Genesis have without Collins?

Want to look at how rediculous this is....Survivor is on singer #3...and up until JSS getting fired and them hiring Arnel, I thought Survivor was the biggest joke in the industry!

[jrnyman28]

I said 2nd replacement NOT 2nd singer. And I also used Gary as an example of that...
C'mon Strangegrey, are you just so pissed that you are not even reading my posts? As I said, Journey is not in a good position. I agree. And Genesis and VH tried 3rd lead singers without success as I am sure Journey will likely see too. I am only arguing that most people will see Arnel as their 3rd singer (2nd replacement) not the 4th and that as difficult as their future may be, I don't see this equally death. Maybe just a crippling...

[Journey/Survivor]

They hired somebody that sounds waaaaaay too much like Perry, so truthfully no matter what he sings, it probably won't change my mind.

Imagine that, Journey....of all people....wanting to sound like Journey. I'm with you, the last thing I want when I buy a new Journey CD or see them in concert is for Journey to sound like Journey. Bring back a lead singer that sounds nothing like the classic voice, NOW you're talking!

Great post. I love it.