JSS --> Arnel --> Stage Presence

[Red13JoePa]

Bah.
Andrew, will you please edit this horse's asse's signature?

[Lula]

thank you JoePa, i kind of figured as much. gotta love the passive/aggressive poster .

[texafana]

Bah.
Andrew, will you please edit this horse's asse's signature?

Lame.

[Red13JoePa]

Bah.
Andrew, will you please edit this horse's asse's signature?

Lame.

Say "Hello" to Firewingz, will ya?

[Rockindeano]

I'm not a big texafan fan, but I don't think he/she/it was trying anything here 13. Honest question I believe.

[Red13JoePa]

Well, it's good you have me, then.

Who better than The King Of Code?


Dope.

[Deb]

The only point I'm trying to make is, in the vid JSS is very animated, smiling, moving, etc, having a hell of a good time on stage. For those that bash Arnel's stage presense, would the kind of antics shown in the vid be ok with you, when you see him perform with Journey or would you come back here and bash him? I think Arnel's in a can't win situation, if he comes out and just sings his ass off, the bashers will bash the lame stage antics, if he comes out very animated on stage, he'll get bashed for that too.

I get what you're trying to say. I'm not "bashing" Arnel's stage presence.......it just doesn't do anything for me. Kinda like JSS's stage presence does nothing for JoePa. Seeing a performer/band member having just a good of a time performing as I (as an audience member) am having taking it all in.........is a huge plus in my books. Heck, on the Arrival dvd watching Deen C just givin' er back there, enjoying the hell out of himself, was one of the first times I really noticed the drummer in a band, per se. You might be right, AP might be in a no win situation...........because if that kind of stage presence and zest doesn't come off naturally, then that is actually almost worse.

[Lora]

Lula and her sister love Rolie. I don't get him at all. Singing Mexi tunes for a tomato sauce carnival doesn't inspire me. I hope Lora doesn't read this or I am gettin a spankin

Now where did I put my paddle? You've been a very naughty boy.

[texafana]

I'm not a big texafan fan, but I don't think he/she/it was trying anything here 13. Honest question I believe.

Thank you, my words might have come out fked up, but I certainly had no hidden agenda.

The only point I'm trying to make is, in the vid JSS is very animated, smiling, moving, etc, having a hell of a good time on stage. For those that bash Arnel's stage presense, would the kind of antics shown in the vid be ok with you, when you see him perform with Journey or would you come back here and bash him? I think Arnel's in a can't win situation, if he comes out and just sings his ass off, the bashers will bash the lame stage antics, if he comes out very animated on stage, he'll get bashed for that too.

I get what you're trying to say. I'm not "bashing" Arnel's stage presence.......it just doesn't do anything for me. Kinda like JSS's stage presence does nothing for JoePa. Seeing a performer/band member having just a good of a time performing as I (as an audience member) am having taking it all in.........is a huge plus in my books. Heck, on the Arrival dvd watching Deen C just givin' er back there, enjoying the hell out of himself, was one of the first times I really noticed the drummer in a band, per se. You might be right, AP might be in a no win situation...........because if that kind of stage presence and zest doesn't come off naturally, then that is actually almost worse.

Exactly. I was just wondering if he actually reads/listens to the posters on this forum and decides to come out all animated. I agree, it could totally backfire!

[jrnyman28]

Well allow me to clarify, good Lu.

What this is is a rather sizeable yet passive/aggressive shot across the bow of JSS, first (lidicrously) indicating that JSS' personal knowledge about what the poster accused of being tapes was but 2 cents, ergo opinion only and then (incredibly)accusing him of lying about those 2 cents and the vox being real upon Jeff's clarification.

We then move onto to criticism of JSS' stage persona as being fake, by mentioning various traits JSS stage shows contain (without saying JSS did them) and hoping that AP doesn't do those things which Gary Cherone did in VH, which also looked fake.

The poster seems to think they're being cute, but would probably get more bang for the buck by just manning up and directly confronting and criticizing Jeff.

Oh yeah, that's MUCH clearer!!

[Rockindeano]

Lula and her sister love Rolie. I don't get him at all. Singing Mexi tunes for a tomato sauce carnival doesn't inspire me. I hope Lora doesn't read this or I am gettin a spankin

Now where did I put my paddle? You've been a very naughty boy.

I am saving this post forever! WOOHOO!

[jrnyman28]

The only point I'm trying to make is, in the vid JSS is very animated, smiling, moving, etc, having a hell of a good time on stage. For those that bash Arnel's stage presense, would the kind of antics shown in the vid be ok with you, when you see him perform with Journey or would you come back here and bash him? I think Arnel's in a can't win situation, if he comes out and just sings his ass off, the bashers will bash the lame stage antics, if he comes out very animated on stage, he'll get bashed for that too.

If what he does is natural and honest than he will be fine.

All this talk of stage presence and mentioning people like Steven Tyler, Freddie Mercury, Mick Jagger...all people I cannot stand to WATCH perform. But it is real so it works for many.

[Red13JoePa]

Kinda like JSS's stage presence does nothing for JoePa.

Hold it, Colnel Clink.

I've always said this elusive mumbo jumbo about ALL signers' "stage presence, chrisma, 'it factor'" and on and on ad nauseum do nothing for me.

It's not that JSS' stage presense does nothing for me, it's a non-factor in ALL vocalists for me. Christ Almighty, I still think JSS is the man for this job, just because I don't care if he's spot-welded to one spot on the stage as long as he sounds great doesn't mean I have a single negative feeling on JSS as Journey frontman.

[Rockindeano]

Kinda like JSS's stage presence does nothing for JoePa.

Hold it, Colnel Clink.

I've always said this elusive mumbo jumbo about ALL signers' "stage presence, chrisma, 'it factor'" and on and on ad nauseum do nothing for me.

Well said Boomhower.

Colnel? mumbo? chrisma?

[Deb]

Kinda like JSS's stage presence does nothing for JoePa.

Hold it, Colnel Clink.

I've always said this elusive mumbo jumbo about ALL signers' "stage presence, chrisma, 'it factor'" and on and on ad nauseum do nothing for me.

It's not that JSS' stage presense does nothing for me, it's a non-factor in ALL vocalists for me. Christ Almighty, I still think JSS is the man for this job, just because I don't care if he's spot-welded to one spot on the stage as long as he sounds great doesn't mean I have a single negative feeling on JSS as Journey frontman.

Ok gotcha, I think I understand now. It's the appreciation from others of that stage presence that bothers you?! Suck it up princess, as you could tell from the smilies, ya know I was just teasing.

[Red13JoePa]

It's asinine.

It has ZERO to do with music.

[wildone]

Oh please.

Deb, honestly, you have no idea how Arnel can dance, entertain or emote as you say. It's all speculative.

Laura, that was the single sumbest fuckin thing I have ever read. "Peurto Ricans are more passionate Latinos?" What in THE Hell is that?

FYI, Jeff is a fuckin American.

Hey Deano it's Puerto Rican (sorry he could be a cousin of mine lol) plus the hockey dick head comment made me laugh!!

[RumTumJM]

The pre-recorded backing vocals were too high in the mix.

Does Journey definitely use pre-recorded backing vocals? While I know there are much bigger issues with the band these days, I can't help but dislike bands using them. I recently saw Van Halen, and while the show was incredible, the pre-recorded vocals were quite upsetting. I personally, would rather hear the song not as complex as on the record, for the sake of it all being live. But that is my $.02.

[journeyrock]

The pre-recorded backing vocals were too high in the mix.

Does Journey definitely use pre-recorded backing vocals? While I know there are much bigger issues with the band these days, I can't help but dislike bands using them. I recently saw Van Halen, and while the show was incredible, the pre-recorded vocals were quite upsetting. I personally, would rather hear the song not as complex as on the record, for the sake of it all being live. But that is my $.02.

I believe Journey has used pre-recorded backing vocals in concert since the Perry days. Steve has mentioned it before in interviews. I don't think it's a big secret, it just makes for a better sound in concert to make up for acoustics, I think.

[larryfromnextdoor]

The pre-recorded backing vocals were too high in the mix.

Does Journey definitely use pre-recorded backing vocals? While I know there are much bigger issues with the band these days, I can't help but dislike bands using them. I recently saw Van Halen, and while the show was incredible, the pre-recorded vocals were quite upsetting. I personally, would rather hear the song not as complex as on the record, for the sake of it all being live. But that is my $.02.

I believe Journey has used pre-recorded backing vocals in concert since the Perry days. Steve has mentioned it before in interviews. I don't think it's a big secret, it just makes for a better sound in concert to make up for acoustics, I think.

andrew gave us all the TOO LATE where the back ground vocals got off sync.. yep.. its there..

[texafana]

The pre-recorded backing vocals were too high in the mix.

Does Journey definitely use pre-recorded backing vocals? While I know there are much bigger issues with the band these days, I can't help but dislike bands using them. I recently saw Van Halen, and while the show was incredible, the pre-recorded vocals were quite upsetting. I personally, would rather hear the song not as complex as on the record, for the sake of it all being live. But that is my $.02.

Yah, I know, I think all Journey fans initially are upset when they hear the band does this. Because one of the reasons we like the band was their ability to sing those lush harmonies live. I'm with you, I'd rather here it 100% live/raw. Man, those "round and round and round" backing vox in the 2001 DVD of Higher Place are just robotic....ugh.

[Rockindeano]

I believe they started BG vox in 86.

[journey123]

Oh please.

Deb, honestly, you have no idea how Arnel can dance, entertain or emote as you say. It's all speculative.

Laura, that was the single sumbest fuckin thing I have ever read. "Peurto Ricans are more passionate Latinos?" What in THE Hell is that?

FYI, Jeff is a fuckin American.

You're right, all I can go on are the youtube clips. But that's all I had to go on with JSS at first too.....and ya can see/hear it in even the "small club" clips of Jeff too. Even the small club ones of JSS, performance wise you can't tell if he is playing in front of 50 or 20,000. Seriously, I can not see AP pulling off LTS live quite the same as Jeff. It takes a natural groove/swagger and I don't see that in AP.

Probably more of a chick thing anyways, so no point in arguing with you about it.

Deb, I'm not into fight or anything but this is my opinion/suggestion.

Why don't you put up a new band and call it the New Journey or something. Hire JSS to front your band (highly unlikely though as he got his own band now i suppose), I bet you'll be pleased on that.

Is that really you on the pic on that avatar??

[texafana]

Well allow me to clarify, good Lu.

What this is is a rather sizeable yet passive/aggressive shot across the bow of JSS, first (lidicrously) indicating that JSS' personal knowledge about what the poster accused of being tapes was but 2 cents, ergo opinion only and then (incredibly)accusing him of lying about those 2 cents and the vox being real upon Jeff's clarification.

We then move onto to criticism of JSS' stage persona as being fake, by mentioning various traits JSS stage shows contain (without saying JSS did them) and hoping that AP doesn't do those things which Gary Cherone did in VH, which also looked fake.

The poster seems to think they're being cute, but would probably get more bang for the buck by just manning up and directly confronting and criticizing Jeff.

You know, I thought there was something strange about your reply so I wanted to re-read your post and now I'm wondering if YOU just piggy-backed/twisted my post to express YOUR true feelings on the subject while trying to avoid any direct criticism at yourself? Your "clever" interpretation (re: spin) of my post is clearly more direct and accusational than mine was at JSS. So perhaps you're the one who needs to man up and make your true feelings known? You'll never admit it if it's true, but just between you and I, that was a very impressive spin.

[Red13JoePa]

I've never been anything but cool to you, frywings.

[Deb]

Oh please.

Deb, honestly, you have no idea how Arnel can dance, entertain or emote as you say. It's all speculative.

Laura, that was the single sumbest fuckin thing I have ever read. "Peurto Ricans are more passionate Latinos?" What in THE Hell is that?

FYI, Jeff is a fuckin American.

You're right, all I can go on are the youtube clips. But that's all I had to go on with JSS at first too.....and ya can see/hear it in even the "small club" clips of Jeff too. Even the small club ones of JSS, performance wise you can't tell if he is playing in front of 50 or 20,000. Seriously, I can not see AP pulling off LTS live quite the same as Jeff. It takes a natural groove/swagger and I don't see that in AP.

Probably more of a chick thing anyways, so no point in arguing with you about it.

Deb, I'm not into fight or anything but this is my opinion/suggestion.

Why don't you put up a new band and call it the New Journey or something. Hire JSS to front your band (highly unlikely though as he got his own band now i suppose), I bet you'll be pleased on that.

No thanks, I thought he was great fronting Journey. But I'm pleased with him fronting his own JSSB thank you.

Is that really you on the pic on that avatar??

Yes. Why?

[journey123]

Is that really you on the pic on that avatar??

Yes. Why?

Nothing. I'd rather not say.

[Red13JoePa]

Is that really you on the pic on that avatar??

Yes. Why?

Nothing. I'd rather not say.

And where's your picture, Journey123?

[bluejeangirl76]

Is that really you on the pic on that avatar??

Yes. Why?

Nothing. I'd rather not say.

Then why would you even bother asking? You're rather not say? That's kinda rude, don'tcha think?
And yeah, that's really me in MY avatar too.

[Deb]

Is that really you on the pic on that avatar??

Yes. Why?

Nothing. I'd rather not say.

Then why would you even bother asking? You're rather not say? That's kinda rude, don'tcha think?
And yeah, that's really me in MY avatar too.

No big deal, I pm'd him/her about it and they responded that I looked like a nice person as opposed to some of my posts??? Whatever that's about, I've never directly "bashed" anybody? Maybe doesn't like my opinion of Jeff being a better Journey frontman?