OT--- tax rebates...

[Moon Beam]

From now on, call him a shit extracting Engineer.

I will tell him that tomorrow Dean as he is sleeping now
so he can wake for his sewer of a shift at 3am.....good one!

[Rockindeano]

It's tough enough in this unfriendly business state for an able bodied younger person.
It angers the hell out of me thinking of all the wasted gov't spending that goes to worthless programs than to those who could use the help.

That may be the first statement you've made that I agree with you on. As a 58 yr old woman whose 58 yr old husband's employer recently went to China I know first hand how hard it is.

We may not agree on which programs are worthless, but at least I see a little bit of a heart in that post.

BINGO!!! That's the point. There are so many people abusing the system..when there are so many who REALLY need the help and either don't get or are denied. That's when it tickes me off.
Again..everyday at my job..I witness customers who are abusing the system..and yet I work with people who could really use the help..but don't get for one reason or another.
There are many reasons why government help is a great thing. Sadly..I have not been around as many good as bad. I have only been able to make my judgements from what I have seen. Again..I think that's where most of or thoughts and feelings about things come from..our own experiences.

Of course our opinions on things come from our personal experiences. That's all we have to form our opinions on. I've seen both sides of this issue in action but what worries me is that too many people are willing to throw out the baby with the bath water. They want to eliminate all government assistance to all people because too many have abused the system.

In some respects I see this problem the same way I see the illegal immigration problem.

They(whoever the fuck they are, probably media) say it would be impossible to find and deport all the illegal immigrants, and they also say it would be impossible to find and penalize all of the recipients of fraudulent welfare funds.

That's bullshit. They may not be able to find and deal with them all at one time, but they can sure as hell be keeping a directed and alert eye out for them and deal with them as the find them. I can't even say how many times I've heard stories of people in positions of authority finding, knowing, or even hiring people who are here illegally and choosing to look the other way. I know from personal experience that there are people in the welfare system in Virginia that have been told of abuses and look the other way because it would cause racially related disruptions to address the issue. (I'm not going to cite sources on that though )

We have HUGE problems in this country, but giving tax cuts to the well to do, sending jobs overseas, going into a war over intentionally fraudulent intelligence information, and giving amnesty to illegal aliens isn't going to solve them.

Where do you get the energy? Typing these long posts that these jarheads don't read anyway.

I gave up. Not going to change a made up mind, that has GOP talking points drilled into their domes daily via Rush Limbaugh.

I have this game won. I don't care to convert 5 neo-cons over. I got the Congress and am soon to get the White House. After that, I could care less what these neo-cons say. They will have to bitch and complain to someone else, cus I ain't listening.

[Moon Beam]

Your dad's situation..COMPLETLEY DIFFERENT. Not sure after reading the story..how you didn't get the difference. Never was their mention that some don't deserve it..yet you never mentioned where you can see some don't.

Of course I "got" the difference when I read your post but like you stated it is close
to me and is something I take seriously.
Also....like I stated earlier, I feel anger towards those that abuse the system as well.
I just chose to offer my opinion differently.
Thank you for your well worded read you didn't need to explain your thoughts but I'm glad you did.
Hope your evening is a good one.

[Shadowsong]

I prefer custodial engineer...

[Moon Beam]

I prefer custodial engineer...

also good

[sadie65]

I prefer custodial engineer...

Environmental protection engineer.

And you have every reason to be proud of your father.

[Moon Beam]

I prefer custodial engineer...

Environmental protection engineer.

And you have every reason to be proud of your father.

Hubby is gonna love these new job titles, strike is coming April 1st
maybe he can stir up the union with one of these.

Oh wait I have one to add.....
Fecal Facilitator

Thank you Sadie I am ever so proud of my Daddy and the time I was given with him.

[ohsherrie]

Where do you get the energy? Typing these long posts that these jarheads don't read anyway.

I gave up. Not going to change a made up mind, that has GOP talking points drilled into their domes daily via Rush Limbaugh.

I have this game won. I don't care to convert 5 neo-cons over. I got the Congress and am soon to get the White House. After that, I could care less what these neo-cons say. They will have to bitch and complain to someone else, cus I ain't listening.

I don't know Dean. I guess you're right though. I might as well be talking to a brick, or Bush, because nothing I say is getting through.

Edited to add:

If this Pineda bullshit is the only other thing on here to talk about though, I guess I'll just log off.

[Moon Beam]

Sorry to hear that Moonie. I know how you feel though. After my father-in-law got laid off over 3 years ago, he devoted full time to his landscaping business. He took to trimming trees in the winter to make ends meat and promptly fell out of a tree shattering his right femur and fracturing his hip. They had to put in a metal rod into his remaining bone. Just a couple weeks ago that rod broke and they had to replace it with a thicker rod. He's pushing 60 and can't get hired here. It's tough enough in this unfriendly business state for an able bodied younger person.
It angers the hell out of me thinking of all the wasted gov't spending that goes to worthless programs than to those who could use the help.

Thank you RedWingFan (I still can't get used to your new name )
Sorry I seemed to have missed you early, I read through to fast sometimes.

That's sad the situation your Father-In-Law is in, I'll keep him in my thoughts and prayers
because I think that does wonders for folks in need of help and health.

Is now a good time to ask everyone how they feel about socially funded condoms for our testosterone filled teens?

[Rhiannon]

Is now a good time to ask everyone how they feel about socially funded condoms for our testosterone filled teens?

Better that than more socially funded children. Little rubbers are cheaper than little babies.

[Panther]

Sorry to hear that Moonie. I know how you feel though. After my father-in-law got laid off over 3 years ago, he devoted full time to his landscaping business. He took to trimming trees in the winter to make ends meat and promptly fell out of a tree shattering his right femur and fracturing his hip. They had to put in a metal rod into his remaining bone. Just a couple weeks ago that rod broke and they had to replace it with a thicker rod. He's pushing 60 and can't get hired here. It's tough enough in this unfriendly business state for an able bodied younger person.
It angers the hell out of me thinking of all the wasted gov't spending that goes to worthless programs than to those who could use the help.

Thank you RedWingFan (I still can't get used to your new name )
Sorry I seemed to have missed you early, I read through to fast sometimes.

That's sad the situation your Father-In-Law is in, I'll keep him in my thoughts and prayers
because I think that does wonders for folks in need of help and health.

Is now a good time to ask everyone how they feel about socially funded condoms for our testosterone filled teens?

:::raising hand:::: Me personally, having boys and a girlie... I'm all for the condoms AND putting all these little girlies on the depo shot at the first hint of hormones. Far too many of them are ignoring the medical facts and reproducing more children before they are twenty than most of us have in our 40+ years on this earth. :::shaking head::: I won't get into the re-emergence of syphilis and gonorrhea.

I realize your question was partly in jest and rhetorical, but that topic gets me riled up every time!

[scarygirl]

The rich pay more than there share.

I've never heard that before. Thanks for the great laugh!

I work for a small business and I can attest to this. The person I work for owns several businesses, and in the eyes of many would be considered rich. However, knowing what he pays out, what with insurance, employee compensation, payroll taxes etc this is not the case. All these people who seem to have money are actually in hock due to the amount of money they shelve out every day. It takes risk to make money. Those who don't take risk don't, imo, have the right to complain.

As to our mortgage crisis, I don't have a lot of sympathy for those either. If you can't afford a home based on a 30 year mortgage or less you're just not ready for home ownership.

[Moon Beam]

We have an up and cumming teen.

I have often thought that it might be a good thing to keep em locked in the house
or chained to a lamp post with their friends until they are ready to be responsible for their actions.

I think there are simpler solutions for preventing pregnancy but against disease I have no clue.
We are hoping that he will make good informed choices based on examples, conversation and education.

Free condoms?.....I don't know how much I like that idea.
I'm pretty sure that if our Son's feel they're ready to wield their swords around they'll be paying to shield em.

The whole having teenagers thing scares the begeezus out of me.

[scarygirl]

Sorry to hear that Moonie. I know how you feel though. After my father-in-law got laid off over 3 years ago, he devoted full time to his landscaping business. He took to trimming trees in the winter to make ends meat and promptly fell out of a tree shattering his right femur and fracturing his hip. They had to put in a metal rod into his remaining bone. Just a couple weeks ago that rod broke and they had to replace it with a thicker rod. He's pushing 60 and can't get hired here. It's tough enough in this unfriendly business state for an able bodied younger person.
It angers the hell out of me thinking of all the wasted gov't spending that goes to worthless programs than to those who could use the help.

Thank you RedWingFan (I still can't get used to your new name )
Sorry I seemed to have missed you early, I read through to fast sometimes.

That's sad the situation your Father-In-Law is in, I'll keep him in my thoughts and prayers
because I think that does wonders for folks in need of help and health.

Is now a good time to ask everyone how they feel about socially funded condoms for our testosterone filled teens?

:::raising hand:::: Me personally, having boys and a girlie... I'm all for the condoms AND putting all these little girlies on the depo shot at the first hint of hormones. Far too many of them are ignoring the medical facts and reproducing more children before they are twenty than most of us have in our 40+ years on this earth. :::shaking head::: I won't get into the re-emergence of syphilis and gonorrhea.

I realize your question was partly in jest and rhetorical, but that topic gets me riled up every time!

What about telling your kids to wait until they are married or in a stable relationship? I have no problem with BC and condoms btw.

[scarygirl]

Tax breaks are cool,Ill spend the fucking $600 bucks like a drunken sailor.How is that going to help the ecomony?? Who is going to pay for the war and Social Security? My daughter is , and for the next 40 years. This is bullshit.Unless I get my own shit togeher when Im 65, Ill be livin In a fucking tent with the homeless people. Clinton had the budget balanced, now it is "feel good" politics. "Give them a few bucks back around election time",we will get them later. Dumb ass polititions

Maybe if we pool our resources we can start a tent commune.

[scarygirl]

My family won't benefit from this, but I'm glad some who don't even pay taxes are getting a $300 check. Whatever. The tax system in this country is fucking ridiculous.

Where are you getting your information Barb? Even the article on this thread states people who paid taxes (fourth paragraph down) are the ones who are entitled to it. I know the last time this type of tax benefit happened all the people on welfare and government assist that paid no taxes at all were hella pissed off because they weren't getting any of it. So some of these people were on the news arguing that they should also be entitled to this tax bonus because they paid taxes every time they bought something. However the money they were using to pay for shit, they got through welfare and government assistance. The stipulation is the money had to have been earned where it was subjected to taxing in the first place. I'm glad to get some extra money back as is everyone else who paid taxes throughout the year. Overlooking that little technicality I know doesn't jive with your point of view and opinion on this tax bonus, tax system, and country. But the deal is in black and white, I don't know how more clear it could be written for you to understand.

Back up the boat there buddy boy..... I bitched LOUDLY about that one. I don't get my funds through welfare or any other gov't assistance program. I still didn't get that neat little check others got, that year. Here's the deal with the po folk, if you care to look around you. These gov't peeps want to "stimulate" the economy. Is pumping the banks, the S&P, the fortune 500, etc., REALLY stimulating the economy? From the sounds of it, they want more purchasing going on. Through that purchasing, the businesses can then expand, hire more, etc..., no? THAT is stimulating the economy. Now, back to the po folk. I'll dig up a couple of links if need be, but the purchasing power in these here US of A states lies almost solely on the backs of those po folks everyone bitches about. They are the ones that will run out (with these new found "free" funds, whether that be this little check or that EIC check) and buy up Wally World, Best Buy, the nail salon, franchise diners, etc. They will NOT put it into an investment account to sit for X amount of years until retirement, nor sock it away for a rainy day. Sure... Family Z may put it into upgrades to the ol casa, but that benefits them, NOT the economy.

From where I sit, it's a grab at votes... It helped the last time, it'll help this time. Sad thing is, while they are playing god with the pennies for the po folk, they are sitting nicely with their salaries, benefits and health care taken care of basically, for the rest of their life. They aren't concerned with the "people," they are merely concerned with staying where they are.. if they can get enough people blindly following this line of thought they are throwing out there, their position is secure.... til the next go round.

They need to show some real balls for a change and stop spending for their own damned pet projects that benefit so very few and address the issue head on.

What they want is for us to be a third world country. When a people is on its knees begging for relief; any relief, no matter what the cost, say our FREEDOM, looks good.

[Barb]

We have an up and cumming teen.

I have often thought that it might be a good thing to keep em locked in the house
or chained to a lamp post with their friends until they are ready to be responsible for their actions.

I think there are simpler solutions for preventing pregnancy but against disease I have no clue.
We are hoping that he will make good informed choices based on examples, conversation and education.

Free condoms?.....I don't know how much I like that idea.
I'm pretty sure that if our Son's feel they're ready to wield their swords around they'll be paying to shield em.

The whole having teenagers thing scares the begeezus out of me.

My daughter is 16 and has her first boyfriend. It's been a lot of fun at my house lately!

[conversationpc]

We have an up and cumming teen.

[Barb]

We have an up and cumming teen.

I wasn't going to say anything, but since you did...

[scarygirl]

We have an up and cumming teen.

Good lord, what is this? Zoey 101?

[Panther]

Sorry to hear that Moonie. I know how you feel though. After my father-in-law got laid off over 3 years ago, he devoted full time to his landscaping business. He took to trimming trees in the winter to make ends meat and promptly fell out of a tree shattering his right femur and fracturing his hip. They had to put in a metal rod into his remaining bone. Just a couple weeks ago that rod broke and they had to replace it with a thicker rod. He's pushing 60 and can't get hired here. It's tough enough in this unfriendly business state for an able bodied younger person.
It angers the hell out of me thinking of all the wasted gov't spending that goes to worthless programs than to those who could use the help.

Thank you RedWingFan (I still can't get used to your new name )
Sorry I seemed to have missed you early, I read through to fast sometimes.

That's sad the situation your Father-In-Law is in, I'll keep him in my thoughts and prayers
because I think that does wonders for folks in need of help and health.

Is now a good time to ask everyone how they feel about socially funded condoms for our testosterone filled teens?

:::raising hand:::: Me personally, having boys and a girlie... I'm all for the condoms AND putting all these little girlies on the depo shot at the first hint of hormones. Far too many of them are ignoring the medical facts and reproducing more children before they are twenty than most of us have in our 40+ years on this earth. :::shaking head::: I won't get into the re-emergence of syphilis and gonorrhea.

I realize your question was partly in jest and rhetorical, but that topic gets me riled up every time!

What about telling your kids to wait until they are married or in a stable relationship? I have no problem with BC and condoms btw.

Most parents don't discuss such things with their children. They just go about life on a wing and prayer that it won't happen to them. Sometimes, even with the best laid plans (no pun intended), kids will just do what they want to do. We can at least attempt to get a handle on the teen birth numbers. The health issues, well, I have no idea what we could do about that.
Personally, both of my boys are on the straight and narrow. Under strict orders that they aren't to participate in the procreation activity until such time that they've gained upper education, begun a career and are flying solo just fine. So far, so good. One is early twenties and the other is a hormone raging almost 17 year old. The mini, well, we've a while to go with her, but with two much older brothers looking over her shoulder as well as an involved mom, she'll have a tuff time of things if she thinks she'll take the wrong path.

[Moon Beam]

I did that "up and cumming" typo on purpose, glad it made some of you giggle.


Hubby and I have been talking to our Son's about sex, drugs and the dangers that lay
outside the safety of our home for years.
I never wanted my kids to feel as scared as I did.
When Eve paid her first visit to me way back when, I thought I was dying of cancer and
was gonna bleed to death because no one talked to me about it.
It's a funny memory now but I was scared stupidly then.

I have not the first clue if all Hubby and I's chit chats with our boys will do much good
but I'm sure that silence on these matters won't help.

[larryfromnextdoor]

When Eve paid her first visit to me way back when, I thought I was dying of cancer and
was gonna bleed to death because no one talked to me about it.
.

the same thing happened to Emmeline in the Blue Lagoon!!

[Rip Rokken]

Back to the rebates for a sec, someone told me today that they are actually just advances on next year's refunds? I've only read the original articles, so is this true? I don't want any shell game B.S. from Washington -- just give me my damn money back.

[scarygirl]

I did that "up and cumming" typo on purpose, glad it made some of you giggle.


Hubby and I have been talking to our Son's about sex, drugs and the dangers that lay
outside the safety of our home for years.
I never wanted my kids to feel as scared as I did.
When Eve paid her first visit to me way back when, I thought I was dying of cancer and
was gonna bleed to death because no one talked to me about it.
It's a funny memory now but I was scared stupidly then.

I have not the first clue if all Hubby and I's chit chats with our boys will do much good
but I'm sure that silence on these matters won't help.

My mother thought she was dying too. I agree with you 110 percent that a lot of parents do a poor to non existent job with sex ed. I'm of the wisdom that a kid should know everything there is to know by age 8 for their own personal protection.

[conversationpc]

I don't want any shell game B.S. from Washington -- just give me my damn money back.

All the more reason for something like the Fair Tax. You get your entire pay. No taxes taken out and then YOU decide how much you pay in taxes when you WILLINGLY spend money on goods and services.

[Rip Rokken]

I don't want any shell game B.S. from Washington -- just give me my damn money back.

All the more reason for something like the Fair Tax. You get your entire pay. No taxes taken out and then YOU decide how much you pay in taxes when you WILLINGLY spend money on goods and services.

So is what I asked true? Simply an advance on next year's return, or was someone misinformed?

I'm ALL FOR the Fair Tax, or Flat Tax, either one... But I fear it will never happen. Stuff like that never happens... Too many people would lose power over it, so I think of it as nothing beyond an election year gimmick that gets trotted out every few years.

[Shadowsong]

WASHINGTON - Democratic and Republican congressional leaders completed a deal Thursday with the White House on an economic stimulus package that would give most tax filers refunds of $600 to $1,200, and more if they have children.

Individuals who pay income taxes would get up to $600, working couples $1,200 and those couples with children an additional $300 per child under the deal. Workers who make at least $3,000 but don't pay taxes would get $300 rebates.

Pelosi, D-Calif., agreed to drop increases in food stamp and unemployment benefits during a Wednesday meeting in exchange for gaining rebates of at least $300 for almost everyone earning a paycheck, including low-income earners who make too little to pay income taxes.

Rick

Slowing sinking in
but not getting my hopes up too high

Wow, Santa Sam
giving back to the hard working
mine will most likely go to changing some old fillings or root canal

thanks again...

[conversationpc]

So is what I asked true? Simply an advance on next year's return, or was someone misinformed?

No clue. I haven't really heard much about it.

I'm ALL FOR the Fair Tax, or Flat Tax, either one... But I fear it will never happen. Stuff like that never happens... Too many people would lose power over it, so I think of it as nothing beyond an election year gimmick that gets trotted out every few years.

The Fair Tax would be the biggest transfer of power from the government to the people in the history of the country. A ton of lobbyists would basically lose their jobs since most of them lobby for some kind of tax break or another. So you're right in that many politicians are against it because they would lose power. However, this one isn't a gimmick. It's been gaining momentum little by little over the last three years or so and there've been several rather large Fair Tax rallies in some of the bigger cities across the country.

Unfortunately, the only current Presidential candidate who supports it is Mike Huckabee. That makes him the best qualified candidate economically-speaking, in my opinion, because the Fair Tax would also make America a tax haven for business from all over the world. I really think it would bring jobs BACK here since the U.S. is now one of the most difficult places to do business due mostly to taxes and government over-regulation.

[larryfromnextdoor]

costs us 275 million dollars...per day.

does the USA have to borrow that from the Fed.? at what kinda interest rate ?how many years ? early payoff incentive? do they borrow at Prime or below? could the USA have borrowed this money to help cure disease or starvation?... could the USA claim bankruptcy?sounds complicated..