Generations CD reviewes on Amazon - biased?

[ProgRocker53]

Yes there IS a way the Augeri era stands up.
Remember Me.
Higher Place.
World Gone Wild.
We Will Meet Again.
Faith In The Heartland.
The Place In Your Heart.

No way ANY of those wouldn't be a top track on and fit right into anything on the classic era.
I leave The Time, which may be the best song of the bunch, out because the band was clearly less concerned with keeping to the template there (and the results are incredible).

Agreed! Most of these songs are better than some of the stuff on Frontiers and Escape.

Honestly, how can you not say at least some of those are better than "Dead or Alive," "Lay It Down," "Back Talk," "Frontiers," "Keep On Runnin'," and 3/4ths of the stuff on Evolution and Departure?

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Generations is quite possibly the worst recorded music in history. Only 2 tracks are tolerable. The rest is complete shit.

Amen............Arrival is okay but Generations should not have Journey's name on it - i dug it out the other day to see if time changed my perspective - it did - it made it worse.........

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Arrival, Red13 and most certainly Generations are better than TBF, Infinity, Evolution and possibly even Departure.
I'll pre-empt Susie Teller's tried and true "In your opinion" with my own, "in this poster's humble opinion."

There is no way in hell any album after Perry left will ever come to close to touching the early classic Journey.

Yes there IS a way the Augeri era stands up.
Remember Me.
Higher Place.
World Gone Wild.
We Will Meet Again.
Faith In The Heartland.
The Place In Your Heart.

No way ANY of those wouldn't be a top track on and fit right into anything on the classic era.
I leave The Time, which may be the best song of the bunch, out because the band was clearly less concerned with keeping to the template there (and the results are incredible).

NONE of these would fit on Escape - cos Escape doesnt have a DUD - these songs are all DUDS sang by a DUD. If they had been put forward by an unknown band we may have thought - hmmm - maybe shows a little promise - but to come from the Gods of melodic rock they are a fucking disgrace - no disrespect to you mate - but if i could go back in time i would wipe this whole damn era from Journey's history cos to me they just taint it.

[conversationpc]

Yes there IS a way the Augeri era stands up.
Remember Me.
Higher Place.
World Gone Wild.
We Will Meet Again.
Faith In The Heartland.
The Place In Your Heart.

No way ANY of those wouldn't be a top track on and fit right into anything on the classic era.
I leave The Time, which may be the best song of the bunch, out because the band was clearly less concerned with keeping to the template there (and the results are incredible).

NONE of these would fit on Escape - cos Escape doesnt have a DUD - these songs are all DUDS sang by a DUD. If they had been put forward by an unknown band we may have thought - hmmm - maybe shows a little promise - but to come from the Gods of melodic rock they are a fucking disgrace - no disrespect to you mate - but if i could go back in time i would wipe this whole damn era from Journey's history cos to me they just taint it.

All those songs are better than "Dead or Alive" and most of them are better than "Open Arms".

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

Yes there IS a way the Augeri era stands up.
Remember Me.
Higher Place.
World Gone Wild.
We Will Meet Again.
Faith In The Heartland.
The Place In Your Heart.

No way ANY of those wouldn't be a top track on and fit right into anything on the classic era.
I leave The Time, which may be the best song of the bunch, out because the band was clearly less concerned with keeping to the template there (and the results are incredible).

NONE of these would fit on Escape - cos Escape doesnt have a DUD - these songs are all DUDS sang by a DUD. If they had been put forward by an unknown band we may have thought - hmmm - maybe shows a little promise - but to come from the Gods of melodic rock they are a fucking disgrace - no disrespect to you mate - but if i could go back in time i would wipe this whole damn era from Journey's history cos to me they just taint it.

All those songs are better than "Dead or Alive" and most of them are better than "Open Arms".

Dead or Alive is faster n heavier than some thrash metal bands!!! And open arms has been covered more times than all those songs put together............

[conversationpc]

Dead or Alive is faster n heavier than some thrash metal bands!!! And open arms has been covered more times than all those songs put together............

DOA is not heavier some thrash metal. Give me a break.

That being said, it's a decent song but the others mentioned are better. As far as OA goes, it was way overplayed back in the day and most Journey fans are tired of hearing. It hasn't worn as well as the other classics.

[Red13JoePa]

Arrival, Red13 and most certainly Generations are better than TBF, Infinity, Evolution and possibly even Departure.
I'll pre-empt Susie Teller's tried and true "In your opinion" with my own, "in this poster's humble opinion."

There is no way in hell any album after Perry left will ever come to close to touching the early classic Journey.

Yes there IS a way the Augeri era stands up.

NONE of these would fit on Escape - cos Escape doesnt have a DUD - these songs are all DUDS sang by a DUD. If they had been put forward by an unknown band we may have thought - hmmm - maybe shows a little promise - but to come from the Gods of melodic rock they are a fucking disgrace - no disrespect to you mate

OK, mate.
Opinions seem to vary, and you've weighed in with yours several times in the thread now.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

[OK, mate.
Opinions seem to vary, and you've weighed in with yours several times in the thread now.[/quote]


And i will continue to if i want to. These albums piss me off because to me they sound like a band expecting success cos of the name on the label and not the quality of the product. I can promise you this - i will be equally honest when i hear the latest line up - the one piece of something i heard done with Jeff? Well, i thought that was piss poor as well to be honest so its not a bias against Augeri - in fact i have to tell you - i thought Remember Me was excellent - i felt that had the spirit of Journey coursing thru it - i play that song frequently........

[conversationpc]

And i will continue to if i want to. These albums piss me off because to me they sound like a band expecting success cos of the name on the label and not the quality of the product.

"Arrival" is just as good and probably better than either ROR and TBF. Had it been released in the 80s, it probably would've gone at least 3X platinum.

[Vladan]

And i will continue to if i want to. These albums piss me off because to me they sound like a band expecting success cos of the name on the label and not the quality of the product.

"Arrival" is just as good and probably better than either ROR and TBF. Had it been released in the 80s, it probably would've gone at least 3X platinum.

Oh my goodness, I can't believe what I am reading. While the songs on Arrival are good, and well written, I'm afraid the vocals do not match up ROR. There is no way Arrival would of had a hit in the 80's, because the problem is - and as good as an album it is, it does sound like a carbon copy of Bryan Adams, or a Rod Steward or a Bad English song. It's highly unoriginal, it's been done before and done better.

[conversationpc]

Oh my goodness, I can't believe what I am reading. While the songs on Arrival are good, and well written, I'm afraid the vocals do not match up ROR. There is no way Arrival would of had a hit in the 80's, because the problem is - and as good as an album it is, it does sound like a carbon copy of Bryan Adams, or a Rod Steward or a Bad English song. It's highly unoriginal, it's been done before and done better.

Who said the vocals on Arrival were better than ROR??? Only a moron would say that.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

And i will continue to if i want to. These albums piss me off because to me they sound like a band expecting success cos of the name on the label and not the quality of the product.

"Arrival" is just as good and probably better than either ROR and TBF. Had it been released in the 80s, it probably would've gone at least 3X platinum.

I would agree with you on the basis that the time period had a lot to do with the success or lack of it - but, most Journey fans just do not like these albums - and a helluva lot of fans - including some i know, just lost interest without Perry. One of his talents was to wrap his vocals round what have been a fairly ordinary song and make it special. i know it might surprise folks that they have a fanbase in Scotland but i can think of about 30-40 Perry era fans i know in my home city who just gave up when he left - some of them did go to see the band with Jeff tho, and my best mate who is more of a metal head loved it! Why? Cos of the songs mainly - and that would be the Perry era songs - don't get me wrong tho - at least we are not in a situation where we are arguing Journey versus drivel like Coldplay or Robbie fucking Williams......i will never agree with you on this stuff but i do respect your argument.

[Red13JoePa]

Clearly some perry-only bias being worn on a few sleeves here.
For some it's all about and ONLY about the vocals.

That pulpit is then used to denigrate every note of whole music recorded since 1998 and it's simply not true.

I'd suggest The Perry Plaza if being called on the propoganda bothers you.

[ProgRocker53]

Oh my goodness, I can't believe what I am reading. While the songs on Arrival are good, and well written, I'm afraid the vocals do not match up ROR. There is no way Arrival would of had a hit in the 80's, because the problem is - and as good as an album it is, it does sound like a carbon copy of Bryan Adams, or a Rod Steward or a Bad English song. It's highly unoriginal, it's been done before and done better.

Who said the vocals on Arrival were better than ROR??? Only a moron would say that.

Exactly. The vocals, and perhaps the bass, are the only things better on ROR than on Arrival. And even then the bass is debatable.

[jrnyman28]

There is no way Arrival would of had a hit in the 80's, because the problem is - and as good as an album it is, it does sound like a carbon copy of Bryan Adams, or a Rod Steward or a Bad English song. It's highly unoriginal, it's been done before and done better.

But if it was released in the 80's it would have been an originator instead of a copy...
Sorry, but I truly think that Arrival would've done as well as ROR if released instead of ROR. Pick the right singles and it would sell...

[Deb]

And i will continue to if i want to. These albums piss me off because to me they sound like a band expecting success cos of the name on the label and not the quality of the product.

"Arrival" is just as good and probably better than either ROR and TBF. Had it been released in the 80s, it probably would've gone at least 3X platinum.

I would agree with you on the basis that the time period had a lot to do with the success or lack of it - but, most Journey fans just do not like these albums - and a helluva lot of fans - including some i know, just lost interest without Perry. One of his talents was to wrap his vocals round what have been a fairly ordinary song and make it special. i know it might surprise folks that they have a fanbase in Scotland but i can think of about 30-40 Perry era fans i know in my home city who just gave up when he left - some of them did go to see the band with Jeff tho, and my best mate who is more of a metal head loved it! Why? Cos of the songs mainly - and that would be the Perry era songs - don't get me wrong tho - at least we are not in a situation where we are arguing Journey versus drivel like Coldplay or Robbie fucking Williams......i will never agree with you on this stuff but i do respect your argument.

Hey now......say what you will about Robbie Williams , but he has written one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a long time. Always loved this one. Angel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGzTyhSX7e0

[Rick]

And i will continue to if i want to. These albums piss me off because to me they sound like a band expecting success cos of the name on the label and not the quality of the product.

"Arrival" is just as good and probably better than either ROR and TBF. Had it been released in the 80s, it probably would've gone at least 3X platinum.

I would agree with you on the basis that the time period had a lot to do with the success or lack of it - but, most Journey fans just do not like these albums - and a helluva lot of fans - including some i know, just lost interest without Perry. One of his talents was to wrap his vocals round what have been a fairly ordinary song and make it special. i know it might surprise folks that they have a fanbase in Scotland but i can think of about 30-40 Perry era fans i know in my home city who just gave up when he left - some of them did go to see the band with Jeff tho, and my best mate who is more of a metal head loved it! Why? Cos of the songs mainly - and that would be the Perry era songs - don't get me wrong tho - at least we are not in a situation where we are arguing Journey versus drivel like Coldplay or Robbie fucking Williams......i will never agree with you on this stuff but i do respect your argument.

Hey now......say what you will about Robbie Williams , but he has written one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a long time. Always loved this one. Angel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGzTyhSX7e0

He's gonna to wind up with a herpe on his lip if he keeps that up. He's crazy.

[Deb]

And i will continue to if i want to. These albums piss me off because to me they sound like a band expecting success cos of the name on the label and not the quality of the product.

"Arrival" is just as good and probably better than either ROR and TBF. Had it been released in the 80s, it probably would've gone at least 3X platinum.

I would agree with you on the basis that the time period had a lot to do with the success or lack of it - but, most Journey fans just do not like these albums - and a helluva lot of fans - including some i know, just lost interest without Perry. One of his talents was to wrap his vocals round what have been a fairly ordinary song and make it special. i know it might surprise folks that they have a fanbase in Scotland but i can think of about 30-40 Perry era fans i know in my home city who just gave up when he left - some of them did go to see the band with Jeff tho, and my best mate who is more of a metal head loved it! Why? Cos of the songs mainly - and that would be the Perry era songs - don't get me wrong tho - at least we are not in a situation where we are arguing Journey versus drivel like Coldplay or Robbie fucking Williams......i will never agree with you on this stuff but i do respect your argument.

Hey now......say what you will about Robbie Williams , but he has written one of the most beautiful songs I've heard in a long time. Always loved this one. Angel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGzTyhSX7e0

He's gonna to wind up with a herpe on his lip if he keeps that up. He's crazy.

True dat! I just grabbed any youtube of the song......stole Perry's fashion sense with the tails and jeans. I remember when I heard that song on the radio, loved it first time I heard it......just an all around beautiful sounding song.

[youkeepmewaiting]

God some Perryheads do get right on my nerves. Generations and Arrival had some GREAT songs, many songs just and if not more, entertaining as stuff on ROR and TBF. I prefer most songs on Arrival and Generations than Dead or Alive or Lay it down.

Theres a rumour going around that songs can be good even without Steve Perry singing on them

[brywool]

Generations is not that bad of an album. Not sure why people dog it SO much. You're a little overboard on your hatred of it in my opinion. It's the "whipping boy" album for a lot of people here. Granted, Cain and Vallory's vocal tracks stink (vocally), but the rest are decent, even Neal's track is cool. I liked the Schon and Hammer version too, but not as much as the newer version. Perry's vocals in that song were annoying. I think that Deen does a better job. Jesus, Infinity had "Can Do" on it and one bad track does not a shitty album make (that should've been called "Doo Doo"). My gripe with Generations is the production. The sound, especially the drums, is really thin to me. The songs themselves aren't that bad. I've heard a lot worse albums.

I don't have a problem with "Believe" either and I know pretty much everyone here hates that track. I like the sound of it, the sentiment, etc. It's certainly a cooler track than "Castles Burning" which is nauseatingly long, also better than "Back Talk". "Butterfly" same deal. It's a different track for the band. A different direction, but no worse than "Sand Castles" and certainly better than "Trial By Fire", "Just the Rain" and "Baby I'm Leaving You".

Having defended that, the album has some great work on it:
Faith in the Heartland
Place In Your Heart
Better Life
Knowing that You Love Me- The BEST Journey ballad since Open Arms. Great song!
Out of Harms Way
Better Together
Never Too Late

These are all great songs in my opinion.

I think Generations blows Trial By Fire away.

[conversationpc]

Generations is not that bad of an album. Not sure why people dog it SO much. You're a little overboard on your hatred of it in my opinion. It's the "whipping boy" album for a lot of people here. Granted, Cain and Vallory's vocal tracks stink (vocally), but the rest are decent, even Neal's track is cool. I liked the Schon and Hammer version too, but not as much as the newer version. Perry's vocals in that song were annoying. I think that Deen does a better job. Jesus, Infinity had "Can Do" on it and one bad track does not a shitty album make (that should've been called "Doo Doo"). My gripe with Generations is the production. The sound, especially the drums, is really thin to me. The songs themselves aren't that bad. I've heard a lot worse albums.

I don't have a problem with "Believe" either and I know pretty much everyone here hates that track. I like the sound of it, the sentiment, etc. It's certainly a cooler track than "Castles Burning" which is nauseatingly long, also better than "Back Talk". "Butterfly" same deal. It's a different track for the band. A different direction, but no worse than "Sand Castles" and certainly better than "Trial By Fire", "Just the Rain" and "Baby I'm Leaving You".

Having defended that, the album has some great work on it:
Faith in the Heartland
Place In Your Heart
Better Life
Knowing that You Love Me- The BEST Journey ballad since Open Arms. Great song!
Out of Harms Way
Better Together
Never Too Late

These are all great songs in my opinion.

I think Generations blows Trial By Fire away.

This review is nearly spot on.