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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:47 am

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Rick wrote:Is there any copyright infringement that SP can sue the piss out of them for? Since they're attempting to duplicate his work?



Fair an interesting question. I supposed it's tied to whatever what in this agreement that existed.
Maybe there's some loophole saying "fuck you, after X time frame, you can't sue us." *shrug*

Not that it would be much of a consolation (if it were me, anyway) but is he at least getting his cut?
As part owner of the property, does he not get paid when said propery is shit on- I MEAN - recorded by someone else?

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I am in agreement with BJG.

Personally myself I would like to see them use a new name, something like The Zookeeper featuring Journey.


ROFL!!!!

The Journey Zoo? You got the Lyin', the whale... it all fits.
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Postby ohsherrie » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:47 am

Rick wrote:Is there any copyright infringement that SP can sue the piss out of them for? Since they're attempting to duplicate his work?


I wish there was Rick. If the band's name had had Steve Perry in it, maybe, but because he was technically just another member of the band I'd assume that he would stop it if he legally could.

Steve Perry's voice was arguably Journey's trademark, but he has only very limited power to protect the trademark that is his voice.

I know some will say Neal's guitar was as much a trademark as Steve's voice, but I know of very few people who became Journey fans because of Neal's guitar. It was because of the voice they heard on the radio.

The magic of Journey couldn't be replicated by Steve with another band and it can't be replicated by the band with another voice because that kind of chemistry can't be copied. That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

I'm ashamed of them.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:51 am

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Rick wrote:Is there any copyright infringement that SP can sue the piss out of them for? Since they're attempting to duplicate his work?


I wish there was Rick. If the band's name had had Steve Perry in it, maybe, but because he was technically just another member of the band I'd assume that he would stop it if he legally could.

Steve Perry's voice was arguably Journey's trademark, but he has only very limited power to protect the trademark that is his voice.

I know some will say Neal's guitar was as much a trademark as Steve's voice, but I know of very few people who became Journey fans because of Neal's guitar. It was because of the voice they heard on the radio.

The magic of Journey couldn't be replicated by Steve with another band and it can't be replicated by the band with another voice because that kind of chemistry can't be copied. That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

I'm ashamed of them.



It makes me want to go sit in the rain, listen to Wheel In the Sky and cry my eyes out. :cry:
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:58 am

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Rick wrote:Is there any copyright infringement that SP can sue the piss out of them for? Since they're attempting to duplicate his work?


I wish there was Rick. If the band's name had had Steve Perry in it, maybe, but because he was technically just another member of the band I'd assume that he would stop it if he legally could.

Steve Perry's voice was arguably Journey's trademark, but he has only very limited power to protect the trademark that is his voice.

I know some will say Neal's guitar was as much a trademark as Steve's voice, but I know of very few people who became Journey fans because of Neal's guitar. It was because of the voice they heard on the radio.

The magic of Journey couldn't be replicated by Steve with another band and it can't be replicated by the band with another voice because that kind of chemistry can't be copied. That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

I'm ashamed of them.


This guy right here became a fan through Neal's guitar. :D
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Postby ohsherrie » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:03 pm

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It makes me want to go sit in the rain, listen to Wheel In the Sky and cry my eyes out. :cry:


Oh shit, I wish there weren't 800 - 900ish miles between us and three more months of cold weather. Image (I don't want to sit in the sleet or snow and cry even for Steve.)
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Postby ohsherrie » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:09 pm

ProgRocker53 wrote:This guy right here became a fan through Neal's guitar. :D


Well, this woman right here has heard that they had a fanbase of some sort before Steve joined them, but not enough to get on the radio or keep a record contract. In fact, this woman has witnessed that they couldn't keep a record contract or get on the radio after they decided to "move on" without him. Go figure. Image
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:18 pm

I've met a couple of people who were only Journey fans because of Steve Smith.

Neal brings in a lot of fans. And let's not forget that Journey went from highly successful to being HUGE after Jonathan Cain joined the band. So there's no way that all of the credit goes to Steve Perry for the success of the band.
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Postby Voyager » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:31 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
Rick wrote:Is there any copyright infringement that SP can sue the piss out of them for? Since they're attempting to duplicate his work?


I wish there was Rick. If the band's name had had Steve Perry in it, maybe, but because he was technically just another member of the band I'd assume that he would stop it if he legally could.

Steve Perry's voice was arguably Journey's trademark, but he has only very limited power to protect the trademark that is his voice.

I know some will say Neal's guitar was as much a trademark as Steve's voice, but I know of very few people who became Journey fans because of Neal's guitar. It was because of the voice they heard on the radio.

The magic of Journey couldn't be replicated by Steve with another band and it can't be replicated by the band with another voice because that kind of chemistry can't be copied. That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

I'm ashamed of them.


If Journey had hits BEFORE and AFTER Steve Perry was in the band, they could legitimately state that Steve Perry's voice was not solely what made Journey successful, but they haven't. I truly think that comparing Perry's voice to that of Elvis is a very fair analogy. If Elvis' band members were to come out with a re-recording of his greatest hits with an Elvis impersonator on it, I don't think it would sell very well. Likewise, I don't see people lining up to by Journey's new greatest hits CD with a Steve Perry soundalike on them - at least not here in the USA. I have to wonder if they are planning to market the new CD of the re-recorded classics in Asia where Arnel is extremely popular?

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Postby Voyager » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:41 pm

I believe there are bands that have become popular due to the guitar player. Joe Satriani comes to mind, as does Eddie Van Halen and Steve Vai. The difference, however, is that Joe Satriani never made any really huge hits playing instrumental guitar-heavy music. Look at what happened to Van Halen when they didn't have a popular singer (i.e. Gary Cherone) - they flopped. This makes the case that it is mainly the singer of the band that makes the hits. Take away Mick Jagger from Keith Richards and you have no hits. Take away Steven Tyler from Joe Perry and you have no hits. Likewise, take away Steve Perry from Neal Schon - and you have no hits.

Can Arnel make hits for Journey? We won't know that until their album of original music is released. But replacing Steve Perry's voice on the Journey classics with Arnel Pineda's voice (or Jeremey Hunsicker's, or Steve Augeri's) is simply not a good idea in my opinion. It would be no different than removing Paul McCartney's vocal tracks from the Beatles' classic hits and replacing them with some unknown singer's vocal tracks. It just doesn't make any sense. It would make many more fans disgusted and angry than it would happy, regardless of how good it sounded.

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Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:00 pm

I would much, much rather have Journey record a completely brand new album everytime over them re-recording their past hits!!! There's really no comparison.

But at the same time I feel that Journey have every right to re-record their past hits if they wish to. If they were to re-record the hits instead of recording a new album, then I'd be pisst-off. But if they re-record the hits and include it in with a new album, then that's cool with me.

Bands re-recording their own past songs is becoming common.

Survivor re-recorded their song "Eye Of The Tiger" with Jimi Jamison on vocals, although they never officially released it. They also re-recorded a song of their's called "Rebel Girl."

Night Ranger re-recorded their song "Don't Tell me You love Me," and they released a karaoke version of their song "You Can Still Rock In America."

And I know there are other examples besides those.
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:10 pm

I forgot to mention this. Brian Howe just did a show here in Cleveland that was billed as "BAD COMPANY with Brian Howe." The print had BAD COMPANY in really large print, and Brian Howe in really small print. The band was made up of musicians that Howe brought in, none of which were original members of Bad Company. Howe wound up doing 2 of the Bad company songs that he was the original singer on, but the rest of the show was all Bad company songs from the Paul Rodgers era.
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Postby Voyager » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:29 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:Night Ranger re-recorded their song "Don't Tell me You love Me,"...


With someone replacing Jack Blades on vocals?

I must have missed that one. Oh well, the original works fine for me.

Journey/Survivor wrote:I forgot to mention this. Brian Howe just did a show here in Cleveland that was billed as "BAD COMPANY with Brian Howe." The print had BAD COMPANY in really large print, and Brian Howe in really small print. The band was made up of musicians that Howe brought in, none of which were original members of Bad Company. Howe wound up doing 2 of the Bad company songs that he was the original singer on, but the rest of the show was all Bad company songs from the Paul Rodgers era.


Did they go into the studio and re-record the Bad Company classic studio albums with Brian Howe overdubbing Paul Rodger's vocal tracks? If not, we're not comparing apples to apples. I don't think many Journey fans would take issue with Arnel singing in Steve Perry's place on tour with Journey, nor would many of them have a problem with a live Journey album with Arnel covering Steve Perry's vocals. The issue that seems to have caused a lot of controversy was when Journey decided to pull the classic Journey studio cuts out of the closet and overdub Steve Perry's vocals with Arnel's.

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Postby ttango1 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:35 pm

That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

See this is all purely conjecture. You post it like you know that is EXACTLY what they are doing when it's just supposition on your part.

Let me ask...
What if they blatantly cover the packaging of the the re-recordings by saying INTRODUCING NEW LEAD SINGER ARNEL PINEDA all over the cover, they might say stuff like"The Legacy sound is back!" or something like that. Would that be ok?

I know that it can't possibly be that easy but hey it's just as possible as to what you assume...isn't it?

I could be wrong, but what if I'm right?
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Postby Voyager » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:41 pm

ttango1 wrote:
That's why they're now trying to scam people into believing their new CD has Perry on it by rerecording the GH to sell along with it.

See this is all purely conjecture. You post it like you know that is EXACTLY what they are doing when this all you are supposing is true.

Let me ask...
What if they blatantly cover the packaging of the the re-recordings by saying INTRODUCING NEW LEAD SINGER ARNEL PINEDA all over the cover, they might say stuff like"The Legacy sound is back!" or something like that. Would that be ok?

I know that it can't possibly be that easy but hey it's just as possible as to what you assume...isn't it?

I could be wrong, but what if I'm right?
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Let me ask you this Ttango1. I'm sure you are familiar with the Beatles aren't you? What would you think if Michael Jackson (who owns most of the Beatles' catalog) were to go into the studio with a vocalist widely unknown in the USA and Britain, and overdub Paul McCartney's vocals with those of the new McCartney soundalike singer's vocals on the Beatles' classic hits? Can you see where Beatles' fans might take issue with this? Would it make it any easier for them to swallow if they pasted labels stating, "Introducing New Beatles' Lead Singer John Doe Who Brings Back the Beatles' Legacy Sound" on the album cover? How do you think Beatle's fans in the USA and Britain would react to this?

P.S. - I think Arnel is a great singer and I look forward to hearing him sing live with Journey.

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Postby ProgRocker53 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:55 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:This guy right here became a fan through Neal's guitar. :D


Well, this woman right here has heard that they had a fanbase of some sort before Steve joined them, but not enough to get on the radio or keep a record contract. In fact, this woman has witnessed that they couldn't keep a record contract or get on the radio after they decided to "move on" without him. Go figure. Image


I give two shits about hits. The pre-Perry music is great, and Rolie's vocals are amazing too. People always talk about the chills and feelings and emotions they get when Perry emotes in "Mother, Father" and "Faithfully" and "Sweet and Simple" and such... and righteously so. I get them too. BUT... there are many Rolie vocal moments that are just as emotional and gripping as Perry's, even if "technically" inferior. Look no further than "Look Into the Future," "In My Lonely Feeling/Conversations," "In the Morning Day" and "Of a Lifetime" for some absolutely beautiful Rolie vocals. If it's the singer and not the song... then why don't people fawn over Rolie's work as much, when he's an amazing vocalist in his own right? Those songs can be downright majestic.

While Journey's greatest overall period is undoubtedly 78-86, fact of the matter is, just enough credit should go to Smitty and Cain as it should to Perry. While I dearly LOVE Gregg and Aynsley's work, the streamlined killer Journey hitmaking formula didn't come into fruitition until after Smitty and Cain came along. Infinity was still very progressive-sounding in a lot of parts, especially because of Aynsley's huge pounding swoopy patterns. Enter Smitty, and the drumming becomes more concise and alot of the music loses that prog/Brit-rock vibe and enters more pop-rock territory. Enter Cain, and out goes the then-dated sound of the organ, and enter the poppy piano and synth. Success!

I believe that if Journey would've continued on with their Infinity or Evolution/Departure lineups into the 80s, they would've been mired in the same vibe/sound, and wouldn't've had as many chart-topping hit singles. It's Friga, really, who is most responsible for their popular success. After all, it's many thanks to Friga that Perry had such wonderful songs to sing over. I'm not complaining, really, that there weren't more mystic-sounding prog Journey songs... I love the fact that they evolved so much and gave Journey a wealth of different sounds and vibes. But, before we give ALL credit to Perry for being responsible for their hit success... look no further than Cain and Smitty. After all, if I remember correctly, all the hit singles from Infinity didn't get their success until later on in Journey's career, and charted very low when they were first put out.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:57 pm

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Voyager wrote:I am all for Arnel singing for Journey on a concert tour since Steve Perry is unwilling or unable to do so. But why would they re-record the classics?


I heard that WalMart approached Journey about redoing the classics, and bypassing the middleman. It's a cash grab for Journey. They aren't doing it out of disrespect for the music, they're doing it for the same reason they're still touring. They need the money.


They're doing it because Perry can no longer prevent them from doing so. Steve tried his hardest to protect the legacy. His once proud Michaelangelo looks like a retarded Charlie Brown but hey, after all, it is what it is right? Dollars.


I disagree. I think Perry is the one that tarnished the "legacy" more than anyone (if such a thing even exits). Perry took all creative control, fired Ross and perhaps the world's greatest drummer, quit the ROR tour, toured with a shit band instead of his "brothers" in a childish sort of "ha ha" manner, only became interested when they were ready to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, completely screwed that incarnation by suddenly wanting back in, recorded an album with no intention of following it up, and backed out on the reunion tour. For those reasons I am glad that they are rerecording the GH. Those songs belong to Journey. Journey isn't one man, it's an ever-changing evolution of musicians and incarnations (save Neal Schon). The rerecords to me are partly Journey's way of saying "Fuck you, Steve Perry" for the reasons I previously listed. Can't say that I disagree. And no matter what they do, nothing can ever tarnish Journey's back catalog. They've stood the test of time, proven every critic wrong and are too secure in our hearts and memories for any rerecord to tarnish. That said, I hope the new album and rerecords sell well. No one has worked harder over the last 30+ years than Neal Schon.
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I kind of find it sad...

Postby ttango1 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:01 pm

That Greg Rolie's most heard song is Black Magic Woman as a member of Santana :cry:

Although...that song still kicks ass.
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Postby Voyager » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:12 pm

Saint John wrote:Perry took all creative control, fired Ross and perhaps the world's greatest drummer, quit the ROR tour, toured with a shit band instead of his "brothers" in a childish sort of "ha ha" manner, only became interested when they were ready to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, completely screwed that incarnation by suddenly wanting back in, recorded an album with no intention of following it up, and backed out on the reunion tour. For those reasons I am glad that they are rerecording the GH. Those songs belong to Journey. Journey isn't one man, it's an ever-changing evolution of musicians and incarnations (save Neal Schon). The rerecords to me are partly Journey's way of saying "Fuck you, Steve Perry" for the reasons I previously listed. Can't say that I disagree.


Exactly what I was thinking - they re-recorded the Journey classics to say "Fuck you, Steve Perry." But the real question is - will Journey's fans take on this same attitude and buy the album just to screw Steve over?

No one wants to tackle this question?:

Voyager wrote:What would you think if Michael Jackson (who owns most of the Beatles' catalog) were to go into the studio with a vocalist widely unknown in the USA and Britain, and overdub Paul McCartney's vocals with those of the new McCartney soundalike singer's vocals on the Beatles' classic hits? Can you see where Beatles' fans might take issue with this? Would it make it any easier for them to swallow if they pasted labels stating, "Introducing New Beatles' Lead Singer John Doe Who Brings Back the Beatles' Legacy Sound" on the album cover? How do you think Beatle's fans in the USA and Britain would react to this?


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Postby ttango1 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:16 pm

What would you think if Michael Jackson (who owns most of the Beatles' catalog) were to go into the studio with a vocalist widely unknown in the USA and Britain, and overdub Paul McCartney's vocals with those of the new McCartney soundalike singer's vocals on the Beatles' classic hits?

Let's change this a bit. There are now only 2 surviving members of The Beatles. Paul & Ringo, let's say Mikey due to his money issues, sells the catalog to his former, "Say, Say, Say" Cohort. Now Paul & Ringo decide to bring is talented musician/singers who they like because to them, it evokes the kind of feeling they recall from John & George. Is that OK? Maybe Beatle Fans would say this,"I'm glad I have their songs from the past when they were altogether, and now I'm getting to hear what's left today, I might not like it but they could surprise. "

See if it's Mikey, I ain't down with it. Although in the 80's I though The Thompson Twins did a pretty good cover of Revolution. But if it's Paul & Ringo, I "LET IT BE." It's their right if they want to because they contributed to the legacy.

will Journey's fans take on this same attitude and buy the album just to screw Steve over?

It doesn't have to be that SINISTER. How about they buy the album to support this version of Journey because they want to. Not as a screw you Steve, but as a welcome Arnel, we want to hear you.
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Postby stevew2 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:29 pm

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Voyager wrote:I am all for Arnel singing for Journey on a concert tour since Steve Perry is unwilling or unable to do so. But why would they re-record the classics?


I heard that WalMart approached Journey about redoing the classics, and bypassing the middleman. It's a cash grab for Journey. They aren't doing it out of disrespect for the music, they're doing it for the same reason they're still touring. They need the money.


They're doing it because Perry can no longer prevent them from doing so. Steve tried his hardest to protect the legacy. His once proud Michaelangelo looks like a retarded Charlie Brown but hey, after all, it is what it is right? Dollars.


I disagree. I think Perry is the one that tarnished the "legacy" more than anyone (if such a thing even exits). Perry took all creative control, fired Ross and perhaps the world's greatest drummer, quit the ROR tour, toured with a shit band instead of his "brothers" in a childish sort of "ha ha" manner, only became interested when they were ready to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, completely screwed that incarnation by suddenly wanting back in, recorded an album with no intention of following it up, and backed out on the reunion tour. For those reasons I am glad that they are rerecording the GH. Those songs belong to Journey. Journey isn't one man, it's an ever-changing evolution of musicians and incarnations (save Neal Schon). The rerecords to me are partly Journey's way of saying "Fuck you, Steve Perry" for the reasons I previously listed. Can't say that I disagree. And no matter what they do, nothing can ever tarnish Journey's back catalog. They've stood the test of time, proven every critic wrong and are too secure in our hearts and memories for any rerecord to tarnish. That said, I hope the new album and rerecords sell well. No one has worked harder over the last 30+ years than Neal Schon.
Yeh Neal Schon has worked so hard over the last 30 + years that he cant keep a lead singer. he booked an 8 year tour with no break, ruined agood singer, and dumped another in one year,way to go Neal. Re Read you r post it is really gay SJ Are you doing drugs??
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Postby stevew2 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:35 pm

Thanks to who is resposable for ,after writing two sentences the third one keeps clicking down and you cant type anymore.Its happened two nights in a row Fuck you whoever it is.
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Postby ttango1 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:45 pm

1 sentence...works great.
2 sentences...works great.
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4 sentences...works great.



Are you sure it's not your browser? Sentence 5.

Sentence 6 seems to work too.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:45 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Rick wrote:
Voyager wrote:I am all for Arnel singing for Journey on a concert tour since Steve Perry is unwilling or unable to do so. But why would they re-record the classics?


I heard that WalMart approached Journey about redoing the classics, and bypassing the middleman. It's a cash grab for Journey. They aren't doing it out of disrespect for the music, they're doing it for the same reason they're still touring. They need the money.


They're doing it because Perry can no longer prevent them from doing so. Steve tried his hardest to protect the legacy. His once proud Michaelangelo looks like a retarded Charlie Brown but hey, after all, it is what it is right? Dollars.


I disagree. I think Perry is the one that tarnished the "legacy" more than anyone (if such a thing even exits). Perry took all creative control, fired Ross and perhaps the world's greatest drummer, quit the ROR tour, toured with a shit band instead of his "brothers" in a childish sort of "ha ha" manner, only became interested when they were ready to move on with Rolie and Chalfant, completely screwed that incarnation by suddenly wanting back in, recorded an album with no intention of following it up, and backed out on the reunion tour. For those reasons I am glad that they are rerecording the GH. Those songs belong to Journey. Journey isn't one man, it's an ever-changing evolution of musicians and incarnations (save Neal Schon). The rerecords to me are partly Journey's way of saying "Fuck you, Steve Perry" for the reasons I previously listed. Can't say that I disagree. And no matter what they do, nothing can ever tarnish Journey's back catalog. They've stood the test of time, proven every critic wrong and are too secure in our hearts and memories for any rerecord to tarnish. That said, I hope the new album and rerecords sell well. No one has worked harder over the last 30+ years than Neal Schon.
Yeh Neal Schon has worked so hard over the last 30 + years that he cant keep a lead singer. he booked an 8 year tour with no break, ruined agood singer, and dumped another in one year,way to go Neal


Neal Schon isn't part of management and has never tried to be. Neal brings his axe to work every day and creates, records and tours. I think all he's ever wanted to be is a guitar player. Perry basically quit in 1983, again in 1987 and again in 1997. That's a 14 year run indecisiveness, and is completely absent of Neal Schon' involvement (to the best of my knowledge..."Gag orders" by certain individuals suppress the truth from the general public). As for Augeri, he was plucked from a 5 digit salary and given the opportunity to make MILLIONS. I doubt he regrets that "8 year tour with no break" in the least.
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Postby stevew2 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:36 pm

I saw the first 5 concerts of 2006 with Steve Augeri,he was in pain and didnt enjoy them concerts.{He didn t make millions } Neil didnt give a shit,and never has cared about anything but Neal. First time Arnel has a crack in his voice,or a cold, or god forbid the flu,he will be yesterdays news,of they will wip out the tapes. 30 years of being a prick ,dont mean shit to me .Other than diehard Journey fans, or muscians,most people dont know who Neal S is anyway
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:50 pm

stevew2 wrote:I saw the first 5 concerts of 2006 with Steve Augeri,he was in pain and didnt enjoy them concerts.Neil didnt give a shit,and never has cared about anything but Neal. First time Arnel has a crack in his voice,or a cold, or god forbid the flu,he will be yesterdays news,of they will wip out the tapes. 30 years of being a prick ,dont mean shit to me


Neal Schon has never quit, never taken a day off and never faked a chord, riff or show in 30+ years. Furthermore, he's not part of management. You're clearly aiming your anger at the wrong target. Herbert trashed Perry's voice and Azoff trashed Augeri's. How is that Neal's fault? :?
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Postby ttango1 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:52 pm

First time Arnel has a crack in his voice,or a cold, or god forbid the flu,he will be yesterdays news,


Oh you mean like this?
http://www.marinij.com/liberatore/ci_7826224
caught up with Pineda hours before he was to get on a plane for the long flight back to his home in Quezon City. He had been in Marin for seven weeks, singing nearly every day, learning an album's worth of new songs and reworking the old hits, which the band facetiously calls "the dirty dozen."

When I spoke to him, he was hoarse from a cold he said he hadn't been able to shake, insisting it hadn't affected his singing voice.


That would be the FIRST time would it not?

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Postby stevew2 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:01 pm

Saint John wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I saw the first 5 concerts of 2006 with Steve Augeri,he was in pain and didnt enjoy them concerts.Neil didnt give a shit,and never has cared about anything but Neal. First time Arnel has a crack in his voice,or a cold, or god forbid the flu,he will be yesterdays news,of they will wip out the tapes. 30 years of being a prick ,dont mean shit to me


Neal Schon has never quit, never taken a day off and never faked a chord, riff or show in 30+ years. Furthermore, he's not part of management. You're clearly aiming your anger at the wrong target. Herbert trashed Perry's voice and Azoff trashed Augeri's. How is that Neal's fault? :?
Playing guitar is different then singing,guitar is always on , vocals are not,Neal and Jon {more Jon} call the shots, they fired Herbet Right??
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Postby Saint John » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:07 pm

stevew2 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I saw the first 5 concerts of 2006 with Steve Augeri,he was in pain and didnt enjoy them concerts.Neil didnt give a shit,and never has cared about anything but Neal. First time Arnel has a crack in his voice,or a cold, or god forbid the flu,he will be yesterdays news,of they will wip out the tapes. 30 years of being a prick ,dont mean shit to me


Neal Schon has never quit, never taken a day off and never faked a chord, riff or show in 30+ years. Furthermore, he's not part of management. You're clearly aiming your anger at the wrong target. Herbert trashed Perry's voice and Azoff trashed Augeri's. How is that Neal's fault? :?
Playing guitar is different then singing,guitar is always on , vocals are not,Neal and Jon {more Jon} call the shots, they fired Herbet Right??



Perry initiated Herbert's firing and they reluctantly agreed. Jon made the call I believe. Perry admitted it was a mistake I believe.
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Postby Voyager » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:14 pm

ttango1 wrote:Oh you mean like this?
http://www.marinij.com/liberatore/ci_7826224


Great article! Here's an excerpt from it:

From Pineda's perspective, he's not trying to be Steve Perry, one of his idols, but he's trying to sound as much like him as he can. "We have to make sure the hard-core fans will be satisfied listening to the songs," he said. "They're so used to Steve Perry's voice, so we have to be really close to how Steve Perry has done it. That's the hardest part.


Isn't that exactly what Jeremey and other singers in Journey tribute bands do? So, what makes Arnel any different? I mean, I realize he sounds more like Steve Perry than anyone I've ever heard, but Arnel said it himself that he is trying to imitate Steve Perry as much as possible. Why do people deny that so adamantly?

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Postby stevew2 » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:25 pm

I just got really tired , ill talk to you later,, I have no issues with you,may not agree,thats okay,goodnight
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